bodyweight training?

[reeve80]

http://mattfurey.com/conditioning_book.html

could you guys check this our and give your opinion? Also, If any of you do just bodyweight training could you tell me if you think it is effective. thanks

[IronFist]

there's a thread about this somewhere already. Try doing a search here for matt furey. I think the overall consensus was that it was pretty good.

the same info might be available online somewhere, so check around before you spend your money.

Iron

[Ford Prefect]

It's a good book. However, you might want to check this site out first:

http://www.webfects.com/hea/routine.htm

It's pretty much the same stuff Furey does except its free...

[BAI HE]

Bruce lee practiced the Hindu pushups and squats as well.

[BAI HE]

Do the Hindu squats!!!!!!!!! Your leg muscles will be jumping off the bone!!!

[remo]

Ford,

Thanks for the info. :)

"We forge our bodies in
the fire of our will." Han
from 'Enter the Dragon'

[reeve80]

thanks for all the help guys

[lowsweep]

How do i do a hindu pushup or squat? Also try "Iron Fist's 10 weeks to 100 pushups" workout, im on week 5 and i can do a hell of a lot more pushups than i could (got plenty of chest and tri definition too).

Take the pebble
from my hand

[Lost_Disciple]

Just cranked out 50 Hindu Squats. Maybe I'm doing something wrong, but they don't hurt that much. My knees were popping a bit, and I'm kinda out of breath; but I think I could've done at least another 25 or 50 no problem. I read somewhere that Matt Furey puts beginners at barely making it to 40. How fast are you supposed to do them? Cuz I followed the technique from those web pages (& remembering older pix of Matt Furey) pretty exact just didn't do them that fast- normal lifting pace. Probly just need to do more, maybe do them faster

[IronFist]

Lost, I dunno how fast you're supposed to go. My first time I got 80. Keep in mind we work out, and the average beginner he speaks of doesn't.

I do them about this fast:

::does some::

10 in 17 seconds, so about 1.7 seconds each. That's the first ten tho when I'm not tired yet :P

How fast do you do them?

Iron

[Ford Prefect]

Yeah, I think when he says that beginners could only do 40, he was talking about 45 year old men who have done nothing but sit on the couch their whole lives. I got up to 175 the first week I started doing them, but my knee didn't like the immediate jump in activity and basically told me to f off. ;) Keep it up and progress slowly, and you'll definately see carry over to endurance.

[Lost_Disciple]

I'll count out my pace later tonight.

Actually, I have one article where Furey's talking about a pretty thick weightlifter not managing more than 40.

Maybe it's just all those hours of horse stance payin off. :)

[Abstract]

I just post jacked somebody else's post about this guy...is this workout any good? have you been doing it long? how does it compare to, say, your MA routine, or weight training? do you weight train AND do the Furey thing? or just one? opinions, please... :D

[4 Ranges]

I used to lift, but it just interfered with my training. I got stronger at the lifts, but the crossover to MA was almost zilch.

However, I've had great success with bodyweight exercises. I've studied Matt Furey's exercises, as well as other's, and came up with a program that works very well for me. Increased speed and strength.

3 crucial things to keep in mind, though, when you're doing these exercises:

1) Proper form is CRUCIAL. One of the incredible benefits of doing bodyweight exercises is stabilizer strength. For example, when you're doing push-ups, your chest, triceps, and shoulders (the prime movers of the exercise), are doing most of the work. However, if you maintain the proper, straight back form of the push-up, your ABS, UPPER BACK, LATS, GLUTES, TRAPS, AND EVEN YOUR INNER THIGHS get worked in a static position. It's working all these muscle groups in a coordinated movement that truly allows for attribute cross-over into your specific MA.

2) HIGH REPS is key. Always go for the higher rep, because you're working only with your own body weight. Even if you have to pause for a moment to crank out 2 more, then do it. But always have a high-rep mindset when doing these exercises.

3) SPEED/TEMPO greatly increases strength gains. Russian strength specialist Tsatsouline observed that increases in the speed of execution in any particular exercise is indicative of increased strength for that particular activity. So, not only do you concentrate on proper form, and high reps, but the TEMPO of your exercise must be increased, if you want to see true gains. However, don't sacrifice FORM for SPEED. You must have BOTH in order to progress properly.

Good luck, and hope this helps.

Never confuse sparring with fighting. One is an exchange of skill; the other an exchange of blood.

[Abstract]

I've been wondering whether or not i should give his workout routine a shot...I saw now he not only has a book on it, but also 3 tapes...i may try it...tank ya! ;)

[Ford Prefect]

Abstract,

You really don't have to buy Furey's stuff; just check the website that I posted near the top of thread. I have Furey's book w/three companion video's and his ab book, so let me tell you that you aren't missing a thing. Scrapper's workouts will get you into great shape.

As for weights vs bodyweight stuff, it's really up to you. You can argue til you're blue in the face as to which is better for combat, but when it comes down to it, there isn't any real scientific evidence pointing either way. Strength from the weight room can most definately be carried over into training. Ever try to grapple somebody that is a competitive powerlifter? However, if you spend your time doing pretty boy exrecises like bicep curls, tricep kickbacks, etc, then I guess I can see how some people say there is little carry over.

For best results, I'd say cycle two weeks of doing only bodyweight drills with two weeks of doing only weights. Keep the weights simple like deadlift or squat, bench press or overhead press, and pull-ups or chin-ups. Always keep in mind that strength training is a supplement to your current training. Don't get too involved in being able to do 500 straight hindu squats or being able to deadlift 400 pounds because that doesn't mean jack if you are too worn out to transfer it to fighting. Can you use your increased power to your advantage? Can you fight full out while your opponents are gasping for air? These should be your goals...

[4 Ranges]

great post. It is good to clarify the difference between "pretty boy" lifting and compound lifting.

squats, deadlifts, benches, good mornings, military presses, are all great for fighting.

Curls, tri kickbacks, lat pulldowns, delt laterals...for pretty boys.

Never confuse sparring with fighting. One is an exchange of skill; the other an exchange of blood.

[Abstract]

I used to work out religiously when I was younger, just started again a year or so ago, and I'm still in good shape, 'bout 200 lbs(though I could stand to lose 5-7lbs of it ;P )and was looking for some cross training ideas that would be beneficial to my Wing Chun...Furey's stuff seemed good, but it's always good to hear someone's opinion who's had exp w/it. thanks again! ;)

[JWTAYLOR]

I've been doing Fury's stuff for almost 8 months now. I'm up to 400 hindu squats straight, no breaks, all continuous motion. My goal is 500. If you can do 500 straight, Furey says you are a stud. I'm no stud, yet.
I could already do 100 push ups straight before I started, and Hindu Pushups seem pretty easy to me.
For those of you who would like a pushup challenge, just try to do 50 and 50. Try, and try as I might, I can not do 50 hindu pushups followed by 50 regular. Even if I lose my form on the regular ones and do them sloppy. I still only crank out like 30 regular in the end. I don't know what it is about the Hindus, but I just don't have much left after 50 of them. The secret to making them very hard is to keep your waist above your hands.

As far as the hindu squats, I started training them hard core because I knew I was going to be lead climbing a series of mountains this year with fairly inexperienced climbers. I've always had strong legs, and I've alwyas worked out my legs hard. The first time I ever did Hinu squats I did 200. But even so, I've always had sore legs after this particular climb. So sore that I couldn't walk two days after my down climb. And I don't mean it was hard to walk, but that I litterally was unable to take enough steps to leave my house without my quads giving out. But this year, even after carying the extra weight of another pack, I had leg strength to spare.

The briding rules as well. I HIGHLY reccomend Matt Furey.

JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[Sho Pi]

I agree with the stuff that has been previously posted. Both types of excersise have benifits. I have found the key for me is to create a routine that works for me. I have looked at numerous bodywieght exercises (scrapper's, Fury's, and other military basic trainings) and found that they work better for me than wieghts.

This is the routine that works for me:
8 counts - 2 sets
hindu pushups - 2 sets
regular pushups - 2 sets
pullups - four sets
sit ups - 2 sets
leg levers - 2 sets
arm haulers - 2 sets
squat jumps - 2 sets
then I jog for at least 2 miles

all rest between the sets are 30-35 seconds and the pace is pretty quick. The amount of reps is somewhere between 12-20 depending on where I am in the cycle and which excersise(especially pullups, can't seem to do them at all:mad: ).

hope this helps.

Sho Pi

[Dave C.]

i've been doing the some of Fury's exercises for four months now. With the hindu squats especially I'm noticing that they get harder in different ways as you do more. I do about 165 straight and they seem to have switched from strength building to endurance building. I'm not getting that beautiful, deep-down, burning thigh pain I used to get. Instead I seem to get out of breath. Has anyone else experienced this??

[prana]

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