Weng Chun in the ring

[desertwingchun2]

Check out the vid. This is a student of GM Andreas Hoffman.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19jFFBPmCyg&feature=share

[TenTigers]

which one was the Wing Chun guy?

[sanjuro_ronin]

One heck of an overhand right.
He should watch hi centerline though;)

I always assumed that Sifu Hoffman's students would be more oriented towards MMA, with His BB in BJJ and all that.

[sanjuro_ronin]

which one was the Wing Chun guy?

Weng Chun.
:p

[desertwingchun2]

which one was the Wing Chun guy?

Neither.
As the title indicates, Weng Chun is the art GM Hoffman teaches.
Its a safe bet to say his guy is the one who did not rag doll in the ring.

[k gledhill]

Chin'ed ......over.

[couch]

One heck of an overhand right.
He should watch hi centerline though;)

I always assumed that Sifu Hoffman's students would be more oriented towards MMA, with His BB in BJJ and all that.

Nah, a proper Tan Sau would taken care of that overhand right. :D

[Wayfaring]

Nice overhand right. This is a very common knockout punch - Roy Nelson just hit one this weekend. The overhand right is one that is particularly effective against people who fight up the middle all the time. It is a stealth punch, that unless you are familiar with the motion many times you don't see it coming in. It hits you from what seems like out of the sky.

This had all the elements of a picture perfect setup. It was thrown in a combo - jab, then overhand right. The jab was thrown right after an exchange with a very good jab - it got through the opponent's cover and hit him. Then the follow up jab he evaded to the power hand side - big mistake. He was trying to circle away from the effective jab then got caught. Stepping the other way - flanking the jab makes it a lot easier to see coming across his body and makes it a lot easier to deal with. Also, it is usually at the very outside edge of range, thus slipping it with a shoulder cover works pretty well.

This punch is not something you will ever see doing chi sau. And it highlights the need for sparring against other styles to see what works.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Nice overhand right. This is a very common knockout punch - Roy Nelson just hit one this weekend. The overhand right is one that is particularly effective against people who fight up the middle all the time. It is a stealth punch, that unless you are familiar with the motion many times you don't see it coming in. It hits you from what seems like out of the sky.

This had all the elements of a picture perfect setup. It was thrown in a combo - jab, then overhand right. The jab was thrown right after an exchange with a very good jab - it got through the opponent's cover and hit him. Then the follow up jab he evaded to the power hand side - big mistake. He was trying to circle away from the effective jab then got caught. Stepping the other way - flanking the jab makes it a lot easier to see coming across his body and makes it a lot easier to deal with. Also, it is usually at the very outside edge of range, thus slipping it with a shoulder cover works pretty well.

This punch is not something you will ever see doing chi sau. And it highlights the need for sparring against other styles to see what works.

People that fight "up the middle' and keep "extended" bridges are vulnerable to the overhand right.
Whenever one moves to the outside of the jab ( which you should unless you WANT to eat the overhand or cross), one should cover and go IN ( on a 45) or one becomes an ideal target for that cross or overhand.
Slipping and going under to the body, counter with a lead left hook after angling, angling and countering with with strikes ala Tyson used to do, are all good options.

[k gledhill]

Nice overhand right. This is a very common knockout punch - Roy Nelson just hit one this weekend. The overhand right is one that is particularly effective against people who fight up the middle all the time. It is a stealth punch, that unless you are familiar with the motion many times you don't see it coming in. It hits you from what seems like out of the sky.

This had all the elements of a picture perfect setup. It was thrown in a combo - jab, then overhand right. The jab was thrown right after an exchange with a very good jab - it got through the opponent's cover and hit him. Then the follow up jab he evaded to the power hand side - big mistake. He was trying to circle away from the effective jab then got caught. Stepping the other way - flanking the jab makes it a lot easier to see coming across his body and makes it a lot easier to deal with. Also, it is usually at the very outside edge of range, thus slipping it with a shoulder cover works pretty well.

This punch is not something you will ever see doing chi sau. And it highlights the need for sparring against other styles to see what works.

Actually your misinformed here, on the point of moving in VT sparring and a tactical correlation / movement in chi-sao. Chi-sao creates a random center of a clockface to relate to for moving , relative to a line of force coming at us. A subject lost to the masses while achieving heroic sticky battles of yo-yoing elbows :D

[k gledhill]

People that fight "up the middle' and keep "extended" bridges are vulnerable to the overhand right.
Whenever one moves to the outside of the jab ( which you should unless you WANT to eat the overhand or cross), one should cover and go IN ( on a 45) or one becomes an ideal target for that cross or overhand.
Slipping and going under to the body, counter with a lead left hook after angling, angling and countering with with strikes ala Tyson used to do, are all good options.

Yes, simple angling works wonders. Limiting force to your face with a followup that has to readjust first, due to your position following his jab. Distance management along with angle relative to the opponent in real time are a major focus for us. It devlops our following striking too...;) Iow we reverse role play in sparring to be the angler and/or, the facer . Footwork, balance, being able to deliver ko punches in the mix, essential.

[wingchunIan]

People that fight "up the middle' and keep "extended" bridges are vulnerable to the overhand right.
Whenever one moves to the outside of the jab ( which you should unless you WANT to eat the overhand or cross), one should cover and go IN ( on a 45) or one becomes an ideal target for that cross or overhand.

I knew we'd agree on something eventually :p The most important thing is to get in to range (ie go forward with agression) and go in on angles to avoid being an easily hit target.

[Frost]

two points we can all learn from this
1) dont move into the powerhand ever, and if you have to keep you effing hand high and close
2) sometimes straight line is not the best way to go, :)

[couch]

This punch is not something you will ever see doing chi sau. And it highlights the need for sparring against other styles to see what works.

True. Also, for me, Chi Sau is a good platform to throw an overhand right - as well as lots of other things. I don't like 'playing by the rules' once someone is competent in the drill.

[k gledhill]

True. Also, for me, Chi Sau is a good platform to throw an overhand right - as well as lots of other things. I don't like 'playing by the rules' once someone is competent in the drill.

Do you step forwards and back angling in your chi-sao ?

[GlennR]

I knew we'd agree on something eventually :p The most important thing is to get in to range (ie go forward with agression) and go in on angles to avoid being an easily hit target.

Actually i think going forward was the tall guys problem.

Every punch he throws is after he has moved forward, negating his range advantage and , more importantly i think, putting himself into the shorter fighters range...... the result of which was obvious for all to see.

He should have established his range, particularly with his jab, and then worked on his kicks which didn't seem to bad.

Having said that, good shot by the other guy ;)

[couch]

Do you step forwards and back angling in your chi-sao ?

Along with trying to dominate centreline and firing hooks, body shots, jabs and uppercuts. :D

However, not as evolved as this because I don't have all his skills: http://darkwingchun.wordpress.com/2011/11/12/chi-sao-evolution/

[wingchunIan]

didn't see an ounce of anything in the clip other than basic level MT and boxing. The guy who lost lost because he got dazed and ended up going back in a straight line and dropping his hands allowing the bigger puncher to keep unloading. No shame in it but equally absolutely nothing to do with trying to attack up the centre,

[Frost]

didn't see an ounce of anything in the clip other than basic level MT and boxing. The guy who lost lost because he got dazed and ended up going back in a straight line and dropping his hands allowing the bigger puncher to keep unloading. No shame in it but equally absolutely nothing to do with trying to attack up the centre,

umm its weng chun not wing chun, which i believe is different and doesnt just attack the centre, it should have probably been put in the southern arts forum but hey atleast it sounds like wing chun :)

[wingchunIan]

umm its weng chun not wing chun, which i believe is different and doesnt just attack the centre, it should have probably been put in the southern arts forum but hey atleast it sounds like wing chun :)

I wasn't referring to his style rather the preceeding posts. I've seen a reasonable amount of Mr Hoffmann's stuff and fwiw didn't see a great deal of that in the clip.

[Frost]

I wasn't referring to his style rather the preceeding posts. I've seen a reasonable amount of Mr Hoffmann's stuff and fwiw didn't see a great deal of that in the clip.

Doesn’t Hoffmans stuff also include long arm strikes, as well as normal straight punches? Been a while since I watched it but I do remember he used circular strikes when appropriate
I agree it looked like basic boxing and MT, not that that’s a bad thing but I haven’t seen much of weng chun in action with gloves on, maybe this is how they look
At least the guy was out there testing himself and he won

[Xian]

I wasn't referring to his style rather the preceeding posts. I've seen a reasonable amount of Mr Hoffmann's stuff and fwiw didn't see a great deal of that in the clip.

Well you dont see really much in the fight. I mean it was a short exchange of punches, defense work and then Sven got him..

http://www.youtube.com/user/Gilgaladt?feature=watch

http://www.youtube.com/user/OGLSchuster?feature=watch

http://www.youtube.com/user/seideundeisen/videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/cesariodidomenico/videos

http://www.youtube.com/user/GGMWaiYanTHX/videos

Here you can see some other example of Weng Chun Fights on these channels. Some of them a starters, some have already gained some experience in Fights and some even gained their first titles like Sven did as German National and European Sanda Champion.


Kind regards,
Xian