Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang

[Fu-Pow]

http://www.rockfordtaichi.com/discussioncxw.html

Fu-Pow
http://www.makskungfu.com/images/Graphics/Choy%20Lay%20Fut%20red.gif

[Wongsifu]

thats my all time fav document, i found it about 6 months ago and i stored it , every few months i read it and learn something different

what do bin laden and general custer have in common????
They're both wondering where the fu(k all of those tomahawks are coming from. - donated by mojo

[Shooter]

The comments on push-hands tournaments were bang on. The same things a San Fran push-hands, CMC/Yang Taiji guy has been telling me for some time. "Cooperation is the essence of push-hands, not competition - Not winning"

I've been saying the same things about ground path and Peng for a long time. Not saying I'm above anyone, just that I've had to develop strong, functional peng in order to compete in BJJ/sub-wrestling tourneys, and MMA competitons. As a self-taught submission grappler and MMA fighter, I've found all the jings to be applicable on the ground just as they are on the feet. Except in those arenas, I don't "do" Tai Chi. I just move. :cool:

Same energy, differrent focus on application and purpose.

Cool article. Thanks, Fu-Pow

[This message was edited by Shooter on 11-09-01 at 12:36 PM.]

[patriot]

CXW in Taiwan being pushed by a 6th dan TKD guy and by 8 people: http://210.58.102.74:8080/ramgen/v696897.rm

[Repulsive Monkey]

I'm gonna be studying with him ina couple of months time when he comes to the UK. I liked the one legged bit too, I remeber when my Master did that once in a class, it was impossible to push him over.

[looking_up]

Does anyone know where to find a quicktime or windows media
version of this clip? I am behind a firewall and only certain real
media will pass through...

Thanks.

[apl]

*** CHEN TAIJIQUAN SEMINAR featuring GRANDMASTER CHEN XIAOWANG ***

Rockford Taijiquan and Hyde Park Taijiquan are pleased to announce that Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang will be returning to Chicago, Illinois to conduct a weekend seminar.

Don't miss this opportunity to study with the 19th generation principal representative of the Chen family Taijiquan system.

Early registration is recommended and is now being accepted.

Instructor: Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang

Topics:
Friday, Sept 16th - Standing-post (Zhang Zhuan) instruction and correction and Fighting application corrections. Grandmaster Chen will allow participants to choose various movements/techniques and he
will make hands on corrections, with emphasis on "fighting" or the martial aspects of the techniques.

Saturday and Sunday, Sept 17,18 - First two sections of Laojia Yilu will be taught and corrected with focus on the silk reeling in each movement and how that applies to the applications of the form.

When:
Friday evening, September 16, 2005
6:00 PM - 9:00 PM

Saturday and Sunday, September 17 and 18, 2005
9:00 AM - 4:30 PM

Where:
University of Chicago
Bartlett Hall
5640 South University Avenue
Chicago, IL 60637

Tuition:
Early Registration: June 1 - September 1:
$250 for the entire seminar
$200 for the weekend (Sat. and Sun.)
$125 for one day
$75 for Friday night only

After Early Registration: September 2 - September 18:
$300 for the entire seminar
$250 for the weekend
$150 for one day
$100 for Friday night only

Please make checks or money order out to:
Angela Criscimagna

***Only cash will be accepted at the door.***

Send your Early Registration to:
Andy Loria
1170 East 54th St., #3
Chicago, IL 60615

Please feel free to contact us via email or phone for more information, directions, or any questions.

Best regards,

Jim Criscimagna
Rockford Taijiquan
815-636-0530 (Rockford, Illinois - school year number)
619-460-9634 (La Mesa, California - summer number)
jimangcris@netzero.net

Andy Loria
Hyde Park Taijiquan
773-960-2305
aloria@uchicago.edu

[RickMatz]

Chen Xiaowang Michigan Seminar/Camp 2005 August 16th - 21st ( SIGN UP TODAY )
WHERE: This years Seminar will be in Downtown Plymouth, Michigan (near I-275 & I-96) SEE MAPS
WHEN: August 16th (Tuesday), through (Sunday) August 21st, 2005

COST: The cost is: $200 for 2 Days, $400 for 4 days, $500 for 6 days (best deal)

TOPIC: Laojia 16-17 Qigong 18-19 Slikreeling 20-21

Email to: Question please write to wuji_fa@att.net

[apl]

Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang will be at the University of Chicago September 16, 17, and 18, 2005.

On Saturday and Sunday he will be instructing the first half of Laojia Yilu, with special emphasis on how the silk reeling applies to applications.

Friday night he will correct everyone's standing post exercise and then work with individuals on their fajin. Participants will be able to show him their favorite technique and he will work with you to help improve your power.

If you are interested in more information concerning the seminar, please contact the hosts:

Jim: jimangcris@netzero.net
Andy: aloria@uchicago.edu

[apl]

Hello Everyone,

Due to a great level of interest, we have filled all spots for the Chicago
seminar featuring Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang.

We are compiling a waiting list for those still interested in attending.

Thanks to everyone for your support,

Rockford Taijiquan
jimangcris@netzero.net

Hyde Park Taijiquan
aloria@uchicago.edu

[apl]

Hello Everyone,

Master Chen Xiaoxing will be coming to the US this year. Below is the current list of
his seminar dates and locations.

Master Chen Xiaoxing is a 19th generation representative of Chen family Taijiquan, grandson of noted 17th generation master, Chen Fake, brother of Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang and head master of Chenjiagou Taijiquan school in China (Wen Xian, Henan province, China). Master Chen Xiaoxing is responsible for training such notable masters as Chen Bing, Chen Ziqiang and Chen Zijun.

Chen Xiaoxing's US seminar dates and contact info:

april 21st & 22nd - Seattle, Washington
Kim Ivy
kim@embracethemoon.com
http://www.embracethemoon.com

april 28th & 29th - Chicago, Illinois
Andy Loria
aloria@uchicago.edu
http://home.uchicago.edu/~aloria

may 5th & 6th - Washington, DC
Stephan Berwick
stefan@truetaichi.com
http://www.truetaichi.com/

may 12th & 13th - Florida
James Cravens
http://www.chineseboxing.com/index.html

may 19th & 20th - San Francisco, California
Tony Wong
tradchentaiji@yahoo.com
http://marina.fortunecity.com/victory/273/

may 25th - 27th - San Diego, California
Allison and Bill Helm
tao@taoistsanctuary.org
http://www.taoistsanctuary.org

[apl]

Hello Everyone,

Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing will teach and correct Laojia Erlu (a.k.a. "canon-fist") in Chicago on April 28th and 29th.

In brief, Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing is a 19th-generation representative of the Chen family, president of the Chenjiagou Taijiquan school in China, younger brother of Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang and a person responsible for training such notable masters as Chen Bing, Ren Guangyi and Chen Ziqiang.

You can see more biographical information at the following websites:

http://home.uchicago.edu/~aloria/Seminar.html
http://www.worldchentaichi.com/
http://www.chenvillage.com/

Additionally, you can read about him and Chenjiagou in a good article posted on Kungfumag.com.

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=614

For your viewing enjoyment, I have deposited a video that I captured while in Chenjiagou in October. You will see a portion of Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing's demonstration (xinjia yilu) for government officials in the Chen family temple courtyard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJQLQ4ITRA8

Seminar Info:

What - Granmaster Chen Xiaoxing will teach and correct
Laojia Erlu.

When - April 28th and 29th
9am - 12pm, 2pm - 5pm (each day)

Where - University of Chicago, Ida Noyes Hall, 3rd floor
theater.

Tuition -
two days = $200 if paid in advance ($250 at the door).
one day = $125 if paid in advance ($150 at the door).
(Checks not accepted later than April 14th.)

Contact info:
aloria@uchicago.edu
(773) 960-2305

Regards,

Andy

A thread describing Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing's US seminar locations and contacts can be seen at: http://www.emptyflower.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi/YaBB.cgi?board=seminar;action=display;num=11650571 72

[ittokaos]

too bad i dont live in the area

[apl]

Hello Everyone,

Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing will teach and correct Laojia Erlu (a.k.a. "canon-fist") in Chicago on April 28th and 29th.

In brief, Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing is a 19th-generation representative of the Chen family, president of the Chenjiagou Taijiquan school in China, younger brother of Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang and a person responsible for training such notable masters as Chen Bing, Ren Guangyi and Chen Ziqiang.

You can see more biographical information at the following websites:

http://home.uchicago.edu/~aloria/Seminar.html
http://www.worldchentaichi.com/
http://www.chenvillage.com/

Additionally, you can read about him and Chenjiagou in a good article posted on Kungfumag.com.

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=614

For your viewing enjoyment, I have deposited a video that I captured while in Chenjiagou in October. You will see a portion of Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing's demonstration (xinjia yilu) for government officials in the Chen family temple courtyard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJQLQ4ITRA8

Seminar Info:

What - Granmaster Chen Xiaoxing will teach and correct
Laojia Erlu.

When - April 28th and 29th
9am - 12pm, 2pm - 5pm (each day)

Where - University of Chicago, Ida Noyes Hall, 3rd floor
theater.

Tuition -
two days = $200 if paid in advance ($250 at the door).
one day = $125 if paid in advance ($150 at the door).
(Checks not accepted later than April 14th.)

Contact info:
aloria@uchicago.edu
(773) 960-2305

Regards,

Andy

A thread describing Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing's US seminar locations and contacts can be seen at:
http://www.emptyflower.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi/YaBB.cgi?board=seminar; action=display;num=1165057172

[Nebuchadnezzar]

Hello Everyone,

Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing will teach and correct Laojia Erlu (a.k.a. "canon-fist") in Chicago on April 28th and 29th.

In brief, Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing is a 19th-generation representative of the Chen family, president of the Chenjiagou Taijiquan school in China, younger brother of Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang and a person responsible for training such notable masters as Chen Bing, Ren Guangyi and Chen Ziqiang.

You can see more biographical information at the following websites:

http://home.uchicago.edu/~aloria/Seminar.html
http://www.worldchentaichi.com/
http://www.chenvillage.com/

Additionally, you can read about him and Chenjiagou in a good article posted on Kungfumag.com.

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=614

For your viewing enjoyment, I have deposited a video that I captured while in Chenjiagou in October. You will see a portion of Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing's demonstration (xinjia yilu) for government officials in the Chen family temple courtyard.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fJQLQ4ITRA8

Seminar Info:

What - Granmaster Chen Xiaoxing will teach and correct
Laojia Erlu.

When - April 28th and 29th
9am - 12pm, 2pm - 5pm (each day)

Where - University of Chicago, Ida Noyes Hall, 3rd floor
theater.

Tuition -
two days = $200 if paid in advance ($250 at the door).
one day = $125 if paid in advance ($150 at the door).
(Checks not accepted later than April 14th.)

Contact info:
aloria@uchicago.edu
(773) 960-2305

Regards,

Andy

A thread describing Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing's US seminar locations and contacts can be seen at:
http://www.emptyflower.com/cgi-bin/yabb/YaBB.cgi/YaBB.cgi?board=seminar; action=display;num=1165057172

I wish I could go. Those who will be going, please post.

[apl]

Hello,

Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing will be returning to the US in 2008 and the dates have been set.

Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing is the Principal of the Chenjiagou Taijiquan school in Henan. He is the grandson of Chen Fake, son of Chen Zhaoxu, nephew and understudy of Chen Zhaokui and Chen Zhaopei and the younger brother of Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang. Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing has trained notable masters; Ren Guangyi, Chen Bing, Chen Ziqiang and Chen Zijun.

Please contact the host for seminar topics, locations, etc.

Regards,

Andy

Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing's USA seminar schedule - 2008

April 19/20 - Seattle, WA
kim@embracethemoon.com
http://www.embracethemoon.com/

April 26/27 - Chicago, IL
aloria@uchicago.edu
http://home.uchicago.edu/~aloria

May 3/4 - Washington D.C.
stefan@truetaichi.com
http://www.truetaichi.com

May 10/11 - Bellmawr, NJ
mitchmagg@aol.com
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/taichi/index.html

May 17/18 - San Diego, CA
tao@taoistsanctuary.org
http://www.taoistsanctuary.org

[apl]

Hello,

Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing will be returning to the US in 2008 and the dates have been set.

Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing is the Principal of the Chenjiagou Taijiquan school in Henan. He is the grandson of Chen Fake, son of Chen Zhaoxu, nephew and understudy of Chen Zhaokui and Chen Zhaopei and the younger brother of Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang. Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing has trained notable masters; Ren Guangyi, Chen Bing, Chen Ziqiang and Chen Zijun.

Article about Chen Xiaoxing written by Stephan Berwick:
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/a...php?article=614

Videos of Chen Xiaoxing:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=fJQLQ4ITRA8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MwDUqtXLGc8
http://youtube.com/watch?v=WoMMkdiRNFM&feature=related

Please contact the host for seminar topics, locations, etc.

Regards,

Andy

Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing's USA seminar schedule - 2008
April 19/20 - Seattle, WA
kim@embracethemoon.com
http://www.embracethemoon.com

April 25-27 - Chicago, IL
aloria@uchicago.edu
http://home.uchicago.edu/~aloria

May 3/4 - Washington D.C.
stefan@truetaichi.com
http://www.truetaichi.com

May 10/11 - Bellmawr, NJ
mitchmagg@aol.com
http://www.angelfire.com/ma4/taichi/index.html

May 17/18 - San Diego, CA
tao@taoistsanctuary.org
http://www.taoistsanctuary.org

[apl]

Hello Everyone,

This is a notice for the forthcoming workshop
featuring Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang. This year, Master Chen
will teach Push-Hands and the double-edge sword (jian) form.

The event will take place at the University of Chicago on
September 5th-7th, 2008.

Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang is the 19th generation principal
representative of Chen family Taijiquan and President of the
Chenjiagou Taijiquan School, Chen Village, Wen County,
Henan, China. He is the older brother of Grandmaster Chen
Xiaoxing and the uncle of Master Chen Bing.

This will be the first time Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang will
teach both Push-Hands and Sword form in the Midwest. Basic
information is provided below.

Feel free to contact me with any questions,

Regards,

Andy Loria
Hyde Park Taijiquan
http://home.uchicago.edu/~aloria
aloria@uchicago.edu
(773) 960-2305
-----------------------------------------------------------

General informaion:

Date and curriculum:

September 5th
Push-Hands instruction/correction
6-9pm
3rd-floor Theater

September 6th & 7th
Sword form instruction/correction
9am - 5pm
1st-floor Ball room

Location:
University of Chicago
Ida Noyes Hall
1212 East 59th Street
Chicago, IL 60637

Tuition (before August 22nd):
2.5 days - $250
Sat + Sun - $200
1.5 days - $175
Sat or Sun only - $125
Friday eve only - $75

After September 22nd (no personal checks):
2.5 days - $300
Sat + Sun - $250
1.5 days - $225
Sat or Sun only - $150
Friday eve only - $100

Send registrions to:
Andy Loria
1170 East 54th St, #3
Chicago, IL 60615

[apl]

Hello Everyone,

Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing will be coming to the US again this year. Master Chen is a 19th generation representative of the Chen family, President of the Chenjiagou Taijiquan school in Chenjiagou, Henan, younger brother of Chen Xiaowang and grandson of Chen Fake.

April 17th - 19th - Chicago
Andy Loria
aloria@uchicago.edu

April 25th, 26th - New Jersey
Mitch Magpiong
mitchmagg@aol.com

May 2nd, 3rd - Washington, D.C. Stephan Berwick
stefan@truetaichi.com

May 9th, 10th - Seattle
Kim Ivy
kim@embracethemoon.com

May 15th - 17th - San Diego
Allison and Bill Helm
tao@taoistsanctuary.org

[apl]

Hello Everyone,

Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing will be coming to the US again this year. Master Chen is a 19th generation representative of the Chen family, President of the Chenjiagou Taijiquan school in Chenjiagou, Henan, younger brother of Chen Xiaowang and grandson of Chen Fake.

April 17th - 19th - Chicago
Andy Loria
aloria@uchicago.edu

April 25th, 26th - New Jersey
Mitch Magpiong
mitchmagg@aol.com

May 2nd, 3rd - Washington, D.C.
Stephan Berwick
stefan@truetaichi.com

May 9th, 10th - Seattle
Kim Ivy
kim@embracethemoon.com

May 15th - 17th - San Diego
Allison and Bill Helm
tao@taoistsanctuary.org

[woliveri]

Hmmm

<begin sarcasm>
..........No dates to the Internal Arts Mecca of Central Florida?
<end sarcasm>

[apl]

unfortunately no. James Cravens would be the closest in Miami. He is a disciple of Chen Xiaowang and will have him there in early October. James use to host Chen Xiaoxing as well but isn't this year.

Hey, you can always come see him in Chicago and experiece the beautiful midwest spring while your at it <also sarcasm>.

[Katsu Jin Ken]

how about in missouri any seminars coming here?

[apl]

In terms of Chen Xiaowang, Chen Xiaoxing or Chen Bing, they will not be doing seminars in that area.

For dates:

Chen Xiaoxing - http://kungfuqigong.com/forum/showthread.php?t=53603

Chen Xiaowang - chenxiaowang.com (http://chenxiaowang.com/)

Chen Bing - chenbing.org (http://chenbing.org/english/)

[Egg fu young]

No disrespect intended but I though it was funny........Grandmater

[apl]

Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang will be in Chicago during the final week of September, 2009. He will teach and correct Silk-reeling exercises and the Laojia Yilu form.

Dates:
September 25th-27th, 2009

Curriculum:
Friday (9/25) - Chan si gong
Saturday (9/26) - Laojia Yilu Section 1 & 2
Sunday (9/27) - Laojia Yilu Section 3 & 4

Location:
University of Chicago
Ida Noyes Hall
1212 East 59th Street
Chicago, IL 60637

Information:
Hyde Park Taijiquan
http://home.uchicago.edu/~aloria
aloria@uchicago.edu
773-960-2305

You can find Chen Xiaowang's full world schedule at www.chenxiaowang.com (http://www.chenxiaowang.com).

[apl]

Hello Everyone,

Grandmaster Chen Xiaoxing, Principal of the Chen Village Taijiquan school in Chenjiagou and younger brother of Chen Xiaowang, will begin his workshop series in April, 2010. Chen Xiaoxing is famous not only for his Taiji but also for his open instruction and hands on corrections.

a new website has been created where you can find all workshop dates as well as new videos of Chen Xiaoxing. www.chenxiaoxing.com (http://www.chenxiaoxing.com)

April 9th-11th - Chicago, IL
Andy Loria
aloria@uchicago.edu

April 17th-18th - Bell Mawr, NJ
Mitch Magpiong
mitchmagg@aol.com

April 24th-25th - Washington, D.C.
Stephan Berwick
stefan@truetaichi.com

May 1st-2nd - Seattle, WA
Kim Ivy/Derryl Willis
kim@embracethemoon.com

May 8th-9th - San Diego, CA
Bill and Allison Helm
tao@taoistsanctuary.org

May 19th-23rd - Moscow, Russia
INBI World
matrix@inbiworld.com

September 18th-26th - England
David Gaffney/Davidine Siaw-Voon Sim
taichi@shen7.freeserve.co.uk (taichi@shen7.freeserve.co.uk)

[apl]

dates for the workshop for England were added.

[sanjuro_ronin]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=Holnh-VEysA

Enjoy :)

[bawang]

this is more eye opening

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jXgB62eDSOo

no push hand grabbling :eek:

[ShaolinDan]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=Holnh-VEysA

Enjoy :)

I'm confused...I am enjoying...but why are you of all people posting demos with a compliant partner? :p

[sanjuro_ronin]

I'm confused...I am enjoying...but why are you of all people posting demos with a compliant partner? :p

Hey, I have no problems with instructionals with compliant partners, how else does one teach?
Demos tend to be complaint also because they are demos ( unless they are demos of fighting).
Besides, It was what GM Chen was saying more than what he was doing.
Do I think that GM Chen can fight?
I have no idea since I have never seen him fight or even show any fighting ability.
Does he know his Taiji? Yes. Does he know his fajing? seems like it.

[Hebrew Hammer]

I'd also love to train with Chen Bing...his Tai Chi is always impressive to me.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I'd also love to train with Chen Bing...his Tai Chi is always impressive to me.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rhcz4KZeDxk

[YouKnowWho]

If CXW is asked to teach a group of CIA agencies, FBI agencies, sercet service agencies for 6 months, what kind of course will he teach?

[taai gihk yahn]

If CXW is asked to teach a group of CIA agencies, FBI agencies, sercet service agencies for 6 months, what kind of course will he teach?
hopefully better than a lot of the crap that has been taught to military / LE - I have an old friend who is long time judo BB, he's an LtC working at the Pentagon now, but went through Ranger training years ago - he said most HTH stuff he had seen taught over the years was just enough to get people killed...

[Vajramusti]

Hey, I have no problems with instructionals with compliant partners, how else does one teach?
Demos tend to be complaint also because they are demos ( unless they are demos of fighting).
Besides, It was what GM Chen was saying more than what he was doing.
Do I think that GM Chen can fight?
I have no idea since I have never seen him fight or even show any fighting ability.
Does he know his Taiji? Yes. Does he know his fajing? seems like it.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------
I have seen him put down a non compliant spontaneous attacker.
Also in Hamburg some years ago- he chen elbowed an attacker in the chest-
who had to be hospitalized. Since then he has been extremely careful about
obtaining legal waivers from participants. He knows his fajing imo- not just "Seems like it".
Chen fajing distinguishes chen taiji from other taichi.

[sanjuro_ronin]

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I have seen him put down a non compliant spontaneous attacker.
Also in Hamburg some years ago- he chen elbowed an attacker in the chest-
who had to be hospitalized. Since then he has been extremely careful about
obtaining legal waivers from participants. He knows his fajing imo- not just "Seems like it".
Chen fajing distinguishes chen taiji from other taichi.

I've learned NOT to make comments on things beyond what they are.
I have never seen him fight or do fajing VS an opponent so I can only go on what I see in his demos, hence the "Seem".
To say otherwise would be stating something I do NOT know.
Anecotal stuff is interesting, but that is really all that it ends up being (unless one knows personally and then that is a different story of course).

[Hebrew Hammer]

These have seen lots of play but you gotta love em.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIc5NIfrnJs&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWBBhVLbDgk&feature=channel&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HOOTrao0Do&feature=relmfu

[goju]

These have seen lots of play but you gotta love em.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eIc5NIfrnJs&feature=player_embedded

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pWBBhVLbDgk&feature=channel&list=UL

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0HOOTrao0Do&feature=relmfu

Guy has some brutal power in his takedowns.:eek:

[goju]

this brings up a question after watching how much standing wrestling is in tai chi.

Is it possible that at one point in time punching and kicking took a back seat to clinch wrestling when it came to kung fu?

[bawang]

the wrestling is a recent thing, when people thought punching looked "external".

[Vajramusti]

the wrestling is a recent thing, when people thought punching looked "external".
--------------------------------------------

What do you base your opinion on?

[sanjuro_ronin]

this brings up a question after watching how much standing wrestling is in tai chi.

Is it possible that at one point in time punching and kicking took a back seat to clinch wrestling when it came to kung fu?

Some say this but to be honest I don't think so and this is why:
Every MA that is "grappling oriented" do NOT prioritize forms ( solo forms).
Look at the grappling oriented MA in TCMA, principally SHuai Chiao, you do find forms ( of course) but they are more like going over the throws and such while grappling with an "imaginary opponent" and that is not what we see in Taiji.
Does Taiji adress the clinch and throws? Yes of course because every MA should.
Push hands leads into the skills needed for "clinch fighting" of course and it is far more "greco- roman" than most realize.
But that does not mean that it was primarily a "clinch grappling art".
I also base this belief on a few other things such as:
The upright posture of the form
The foot work of the form
The over extending in the form
Just these 3 would NOT be advisable in standing grappling.

[mooyingmantis]

Is it possible that at one point in time punching and kicking took a back seat to clinch wrestling when it came to kung fu?

Taiji forms are filled with throwing techniques. And in the Greater Meihua line of Praying Mantis, the forms are filled with throwing techniques. In fact, I would say that Fen Shen Ba Zhou (Body Dividing Eight Elbows) has as many, if not more throwing techniques as striking techniques.

I do not believe punching and kicking necessarily took a back seat to clinch wrestling. However, if you are looking for a good means of tossing your opponent on their ass, Taiji and Mantis have them in abundance.

I think it is sad how many people think they need to cross-train at beginning and intermediate levels. Sometimes if they just mastered the art they were in, they would find the knowledge they thought they needed to go elsewhere to get.

Having trained in Jujutsu for decades, I can't think of one fighting principle that I didn't also find in Mantis. The set-up and even the execution might appear different between the arts, but the principles remain the same.

[Hebrew Hammer]

I think it is sad how many people think they need to cross-train at beginning and intermediate levels. Sometimes if they just mastered the art they were in, they would find the knowledge they thought they needed to go elsewhere to get.

Having trained in Jujutsu for decades, I can't think of one fighting principle that I didn't also find in Mantis. The set-up and even the execution might appear different between the arts, but the principles remain the same.

You raise a great point, I think even in arts that are considered one dimensional, for example Tae Kwon Do, Boxing, or any grappling art can really be devastating if you chose to master the craft. Many people are looking for the all around invincible style, which may or may not be an art which you are best suited for.

Which style of Jujutsu did you train in?

[sanjuro_ronin]

You raise a great point, I think even in arts that are considered one dimensional, for example Tae Kwon Do, Boxing, or any grappling art can really be devastating if you chose to master the craft. Many people are looking for the all around invincible style, which may or may not be an art which you are best suited for.

Which style of Jujutsu did you train in?

I agree, while a "dedicated system" may not be all around or complete, it can nevertheless be trained in a way that it handles the vast majority of situations.
But for that you need lots of "cross-testing" as opposed to "cross-training".
A system liek boxing that is never exposed to kicks or throws or ground grappling, well fail when it meets that.
However, take that "specialized system" and expose it to those things AND develop the answer to them WITHIN the systems available tools and you have the answer to those praticular sets of problems.
The issue is exposure.
You can't develop the tools to defeat "system B", without ever being exposed to "system B".

[Hebrew Hammer]

The issue is exposure.


You have a one track mind Sanjuro...

[taai gihk yahn]

The upright posture of the form
The foot work of the form
The over extending in the form
Just these 3 would NOT be advisable in standing grappling.
absolutely - however, if u look at the "older" Yang set I earned, u see:
- much lower stances
- different footwork that looks more like entry/throw type stuff
- no over-extension on the moves

of course, this doesn't matter a whit if u don't actually practice the moves, but the point being is that I think it was there at one point, but got removed to: make the form easier for people to learn; de-martialize it so it dud b more "health" oriented; make the form more aesthetically pleasing;

push hands makes sense if u look at it as learning how to set up entry for a throw - like how to get into position for grip dominance, over/under hook, etc.; problem is that it doesn't practice this - stationary push-hands eliminates it, moving push-hands is limited by rule-set as well;

for all intents and purposes, there's really no reason to retro-fit taiji at this point anyway - may as well learn it for what it's worth as a health practice, go study another grappling system for the goods; only thing would be that push0hands as a sub-set skill could give u some purchase in terms of "listening" skill, except it's done in such a limpid manner by most people that it really wouldn't transfer well...

[sanjuro_ronin]

absolutely - however, if u look at the "older" Yang set I earned, u see:
- much lower stances
- different footwork that looks more like entry/throw type stuff
- no over-extension on the moves

of course, this doesn't matter a whit if u don't actually practice the moves, but the point being is that I think it was there at one point, but got removed to: make the form easier for people to learn; de-martialize it so it dud b more "health" oriented; make the form more aesthetically pleasing;

push hands makes sense if u look at it as learning how to set up entry for a throw - like how to get into position for grip dominance, over/under hook, etc.; problem is that it doesn't practice this - stationary push-hands eliminates it, moving push-hands is limited by rule-set as well;

for all intents and purposes, there's really no reason to retro-fit taiji at this point anyway - may as well learn it for what it's worth as a health practice, go study another grappling system for the goods; only thing would be that push0hands as a sub-set skill could give u some purchase in terms of "listening" skill, except it's done in such a limpid manner by most people that it really wouldn't transfer well...

Yes, I see your point and agree.
Push hands is, to me, the grappling element in Taiji, not the form(s).
Of course, push hands as done in the Chen village which is basically clinch grappling.
I've always like Erle's ( RIP) view on Taiji and that may just be the "striker" bias I have and I accept that.

[bawang]

I've always like Erle's ( RIP) view on Taiji and that may just be the "striker" bias I have and I accept that.

all the wrestling techniques in chen tai chi form was removed. their extinct longfist form has the wrestling stance, single leg takedown, firemans carry, reap etc.

.

[sanjuro_ronin]

all the wrestling techniques in chen tai chi form was removed. their extinct longfist form has the wrestling stance, single leg takedown, firemans carry, reap etc.

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Carry to expand on that?

[bawang]

im saying its not your strikers bias, the chen taichi family removed all their wrestling techniques. where as different boxing stances (although distorted) appear over a dozen times

all the tai chi families dont have proper terms for wrestling techniques. this isnt obivious when they teach non chinese because its mute teaching, but in chinese the lack of words isnt normal.

sometimes in "hardcore extreme push hands" demos they do the overhooks and underhooks but have no names for them. can you see how rediculous that is?


its good to try to make tai chi combat effective, but fake wrestling is not the answer. the only way is to accept that punching a man will not look pretty, and also incorporate actual modern wrestling.

[ShaolinDan]

the only way is to accept that punching a man will not look pretty...

Ali would beg to differ. :)

[sanjuro_ronin]

im saying its not your strikers bias, the chen taichi family removed all their wrestling techniques. where as different boxing stances (although distorted) appear over a dozen times

all the tai chi families dont have proper terms for wrestling techniques. this isnt obivious when they teach non chinese because its mute teaching, but in chinese the lack of words isnt normal.

sometimes in "hardcore extreme push hands" demos they do the overhooks and underhooks but have no names for them. can you see how rediculous that is?


its good to try to make tai chi combat effective, but fake wrestling is not the answer. the only way is to accept that punching a man will not look pretty, and also incorporate actual modern wrestling.

Hmmm, interesting point.
My understanding was that the forms built the "power generation" for the strikes ( and some of the grappling -pulling actions) and that the push-hands drills is what built the foundation fro grappling.

[bawang]

two hand push hands really does look like it has origins in wrestling and can help train wrestling, but tai chi no longer has actual wrestling.

wrestling was already losing popularity in ming dynasty for cultural reasons. then the qing dynasty banned chinese from wrestling altogether.


often these days people feel the need to claim their martial arts is "complete". i think this is vanity. if you wanna wrestling then learn wrestling.

[sanjuro_ronin]

two hand push hands really does look like it has origins in wrestling and can help train wrestling, but tai chi no longer has actual wrestling.

wrestling was already losing popularity in ming dynasty for cultural reasons. then the qing dynasty banned chinese from wrestling altogether.


often these days people feel the need to claim their martial arts is "complete". i think this is vanity. if you wanna wrestling then learn wrestling.

I agree that, for some reason, specialization in the MA has become a "dirty word" and i don't know why.
Probably a MMA thing I guess.

[bawang]

i think its refusing to confront criticism and problems, and unwilling to learn from others. "we dont need to learn xxx, its hidden in xxx"




wrestling techniques in old taichi (chen village hong quan and changquan) are very obvious:
big qin na stance (grappling stance), low insert (single leg), raise urn (double leg), pulling carrots (side double leg) , reverse insert (firemans carry), tiger hug (bear hug) , bull crushes man both fall down (reap)

[Hebrew Hammer]

i think its refusing to confront criticism and problems, and unwilling to learn from others. "we dont need to learn xxx, its hidden in xxx"




wrestling techniques in old taichi (chen village hong quan and changquan) are very obvious:
big qin na stance (grappling stance), low insert (single leg), raise urn (double leg), pulling carrots (side double leg) , reverse insert (firemans carry), tiger hug (bear hug) , bull crushes man both fall down (reap)

Pulling carrots sounds horrifying, I'd put that one back in. Interesting tidbits Bawang...bery bery interestink!

[YouKnowWho]

Does Taiji adress the clinch and throws? ...
The upright posture of the form
The foot work of the form
The over extending in the form
Just these 3 would NOT be advisable in standing grappling.

You forget to mention the major mission part and that is "Taiji has no leg usage". How can a grappler doesn't know how to sweep, cut, hook, lift, twist, trip, scoop, spring, ...

Ther are other major grappling elements that are also missing in Taiji. There are:

- touch head to knee.
- twist body on the spine line.
- balance on single leg.
- ...

For example, the "cloud hands" work well with 'foot sweep". Where is the "foot sweep" in Taiji?

Long time ago I had created a new Taiji form with those leg usage integrated into it. My teacher said, "Don't give to Taiji the credit that it doesn't deserve." I no longer teach that new Taiji form to anybody.

[scholar]

Wu style taijiquan has lots of wrestling. Throws, foot sweeps, locks, etc. Not many schools train it today, but a few still have it...

[Robinhood]

You forget to mention the major mission part and that is "Taiji has no leg usage". How can a grappler doesn't know how to sweep, cut, hook, lift, twist, trip, scoop, spring, ...

Ther are other major grappling elements that are also missing in Taiji. There are:

- touch head to knee.
- twist body on the spine line.
- balance on single leg.
- ...

For example, the "cloud hands" work well with 'foot sweep". Where is the "foot sweep" in Taiji?

Long time ago I had created a new Taiji form with those leg usage integrated into it. My teacher said, "Don't give to Taiji the credit that it doesn't deserve." I no longer teach that new Taiji form to anybody.

Movement is only a tool to get to no movement. Don't dwell on the tool.

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&feature=endscreen&v=Holnh-VEysA

Enjoy :)

The 3 jins are all grounded with feet or started from feet.

Opening and closing of the chest and back

Rotation of the waist

are all rooted with the feet.

Start from the feet and end with the feet.

Waist, chest and back are relaying and storing the jin from the ground and then release jin via elbow, shoulder and fist etc etc.

--

:)

[bawang]

You forget to mention the major mission part and that is "Taiji has no leg usage". How can a grappler doesn't know how to sweep, cut, hook, lift, twist, trip, scoop, spring, ...


what u talking about? taijiquan has sweeps.

[YouKnowWho]

taijiquan has sweeps.

Which move in the Taiji form?

[Vajramusti]

what u talking about? taijiquan has sweeps.
---------------------------------------

yup

[YouKnowWho]

The "foot sweep" does not exist in Yang (Chang) 108 long form. It also doesn't exist in Chen form.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIMZKWOaWPI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8fzIcFnSpdQ

Please show me a Taiji solo form clip that has "foot sweep". The "foot sweep" will require the leg to move into one direction while the upper body to twist into the opposite direction. Both Yang, Chang, and Chen just don't train such kind of body twisting.

[bawang]

spread wing is inner sweep, ride tiger is outer sweep.

[YouKnowWho]

spread wing is inner sweep, ride tiger is outer sweep.

There is no "body twisting" and "sweeping motion" on either move.

[bawang]

chinese wrestling doesnt use jackets so the leg movement is not as exaggerated as manchu buku.

[SPJ]

chen tai ji 2nd routine or older forms

they have double and triple leg sweeps

just like in shaolin fist forms.

the solution to leg sweep or sao tui.

is tornado kick or jump up one foot after another to avoid double leg sweeps back to back.

etc etc.

:)

[Vajramusti]

You know who knows all styles!!

[YouKnowWho]

I have not seen move like this in any style of Taiji forms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NNLCZwOkJjE

[bawang]

is that single leg ride tiger?

[YouKnowWho]

is that single leg ride tiger?

The Taiji "ride tiger" is an left foot forward "empty stance" before you spin into your outside crescent kick (lotus kick). It has no sweep intention.

Of course you can say that even if foot sweep doesn't exist in the form, it exists in the drills. In that case, you can also say that "flying knee" exist in Taiji drills as well. Drills can be added into the system anytime by anybody.

[bawang]

in changquan you have single leg ride tiger. there is also reverse ride tiger, you step back and use the opponents momentum. some tai chi families do the single leg one like you showed in your video.

[YouKnowWho]

some tai chi families do the single leg one like you showed in your video.

If it's not in the form, it may come from "cross training". I put up that short clip just to prove that the "foot sweep" exists in the longfist form "1st road Mai Fu chuan".

[bawang]

If it's not in the form

http://www.94ko.com/simg/pic/200862223642890778061.jpg

tai chi family poem: 退步跨虎闪正中，左挒右黏敌落空，虚步寓踢势腾挪，以走制敌显神通
qi jiguang poem: 跨虎势那移发脚，要腿去不使他知，左右根扫一连施，失手剪刀分易

*rubs testicles

[YouKnowWho]

http://www.94ko.com/simg/pic/200862223642890778061.jpg

tai chi family poem: 退步跨虎闪正中，左挒右黏敌落空，虚步寓踢势腾挪，以走制敌显神通
qi jiguang poem: 跨虎势那移发脚，要腿去不使他知，左右根扫一连施，失手剪刀分易

*rubs testicles

Will you be able to find any "Taiji solo form clip" that has this posture?

[bawang]

wu family tai chi.

[taai gihk yahn]

wu family tai chi.

I think in Wu, don't they also do "monkey retreats" by stepping back w the same side leg that the hand presses forward? looks like an "outer reaping" type movement there...

(just looking for a chance at rubbing someone's testicles other than my own...)

[YouKnowWho]

wu family tai chi.
Could you point out which move in this wu family tai chi form?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnqRzVNu8nw&feature=related

I have tried to search "foot sweep" in many TCMA styles "solo forms". Today all clips can be googled, I still can't find it.

[bawang]

12:37

*smells fingers

[YouKnowWho]

12:37

*smells fingers

That's sound like a sticky kick instead of a foot sweep. Both moves are very similiar. Of course you can call 12.47 at the beginning of the lotus kick can be foot sweep. But both moves are not following the foot sweep principle.

[bawang]

can you read chinese? i posted the poems.

[YouKnowWho]

can you read chinese? i posted the poems.

Yes! You are right. 左右根扫一连施 is foot sweep. So I agree that "foot sweep" exists in Wu style Taiji.

It does seem to me that Wu style is superior than Yang and Chen in this issue.

[bawang]

arguing with you is like stabbing a needle into my hemmorhoid. now that i have defeated you, can i borrow your daughter?


Yes! You are right. 左右根扫一连施 is foot sweep. So I agree that "foot sweep" exists in Wu style Taiji.

It does seem to me that Wu style is superior than Yang and Chen in this issue.

sweeping the root and scrape means ankle sweep. thats why some styles the foot dont leave the ground but scrape the ground.

this is reverse ride tiger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO-oGMZ96_o

[Frost]

arguing with you is like stabbing a needle into my hemmorhoid. now that i have defeated you, can i borrow your daughter?



sweeping the root and scrape means ankle sweep. thats why some styles the foot dont leave the ground but scrape the ground.

this is reverse ride tiger
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO-oGMZ96_o

Frequently funny, often outright hilarious and occasionally posts some very insightful things…….i love this guy (in a manly way)!:D

[YouKnowWho]

arguing with you is like stabbing a needle into my hemmorhoid.

We are discussing. We are not arguing.

[taai gihk yahn]

Could you point out which move in this wu family tai chi form?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GnqRzVNu8nw&feature=related

I have tried to search "foot sweep" in many TCMA styles "solo forms". Today all clips can be googled, I still can't find it.

also, look at 3:30 - the way they do "Monkey Retreats" is clearly a sweep, similar to an "o soto gari" type maneuver


*sniffs bawang's fingers

[bawang]

Frequently funny, often outright hilarious and occasionally posts some very insightful things…….i love this guy (in a manly way)!:D

thanks man

we wrestle together with no cloth ok

also, look at 3:30 - the way they do "Monkey Retreats" is clearly a sweep, similar to an "o soto gari" type maneuver


yeah man the wu family adds wrestling to every single move lol

[sanjuro_ronin]

WHich makes me think that, since the WU family added grappling, that the Taiji they learned was more striking oriented.

[GeneChing]

And I'll add this link (if I haven't previously): He graced our 1997 December/January cover (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=64).

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/images/mzine/1996-6cover.jpg.jpg


Fighting spirit (http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/life/2013-03/28/content_16352500.htm)
Updated: 2013-03-28 10:16
By Deng Zhangyu ( China Daily)

http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/life/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20130328/00221910da6c12bde69228.jpg
Chen Xiaowang, a 19th-generation inheritor of Chen-style tai chi, leads his disciples in Beijing. Cui Meng / China Daily

A tai chi master has struggled to promote the martial art overseas and has won more than 300,000 disciples in 40 countries. Deng Zhangyu reports.

Many foreigners believed Chen Xiaowang was insane. Some even stopped to ask if he needed help when they saw him practicing tai chi in airports decades ago.

"Many people overseas aren't familiar with the martial art," Chen explains.

"Some foreigners even thought tai chi was a Chinese cuisine."

Chen has traveled the globe, teaching and promoting tai chi, since the 1990s, when he became one of his homeland's greatest champions. He has earned more than 300,000 disciples in 40 countries.

Chen's fighting style was developed by his family 19 generations ago. It was popularized in China in the early 20th century by his grandfather, Chen Fake.

"My energy is limited," he says.

"So, I instruct my apprentices and help them spread Chen-style tai chi around the world."

His disciples have opened tai chi studios in 120 German cities and towns. Chen's oldest disciple is a 103-year-old American.

Chen innovated upon his family's traditional tai chi by developing a simplified version for mass consumption, called the "nine-posture Chen-style".

The family's martial art style was developed by his ancestor Chen Wangting in Henan province's Chenjiagou village. Nearly everyone can do tai chi in the settlement, where Chen was born in 1945.

His father required him to study the martial art from age 7. Chen would try to nap after school, but his father would make him get up to do tai chi.

Chen became enamored with tai chi after watching his father defeat a much stronger challenger.

He studied under his uncle Chen Zhaokui at age 10 after his father passed away.

He has remained committed, even in the hardest times.

"People had nothing to eat during the early 1960s," he recalls.

"We devoured tree bark and grassroots. But I kept practicing tai chi."

Chen faced a choice in the 1970s - make money at a stable job or struggle with an uncertain future while performing tai chi.

Many people then had spent years mastering the martial art but never found fame or fortune. Some even fell ill because they pushed themselves too hard.

"I told myself to not worry about the results," Chen recalls.

He made a rule that, no matter what happened, he'd do his routine at least 20 times a day.

Chen practiced so intensively that his toes swelled. But he kept doing his routines while trying to keep his toes off the ground.

He took a day job as a wholesaler and often had to spend days on trains. If this prevented him from doing his 20 routines, he would compensate for them the following day, he explains.
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/life/images/attachement/jpg/site1/20130328/00221910da6c12bdea0039.jpg
Chen Xiaowang, a 19th-generation inheritor of Chen-style tai chi. [Photo by Cui Meng/China Daily]

Chen's victories in competitions in the 1980s earned him a spot on Henan's sports commission. His 350 yuan ($56) monthly salary was much higher than the 30-yuan average.

"I kept practicing," he recalls.

"Even though I couldn't remove my socks from my swollen feet or turn over in bed, I felt happy."

He has since shifted "from quantity to quality", he says.

Chen has appeared in kung fu films and became a leader of Henan's sports commission.

His first international foray was a 1990 visit to Sydney. Few Australians knew about tai chi then, he says.

Chen continues annual consultations to tai chi studios around the world, including China.

Chen Daoyong, who has practiced tai chi for a decade and opened a tai chi gym in Beijing, says: "Chen Xiaowang is brilliant at tai chi. He seems invincible."

Every March, Chen Xiaowang brings disciples to his hometown and stages a ceremony to honor his ancestors.

Niu Lina, who started learning tai chi from Chen in 2006, says: "Chen is admirable as a moral man and tai chi master."

Under his guidance, she opened her own tai chi studio in Henan's provincial capital Zhengzhou.

Contact the writer at dengzhangyu@chinadaily.com.cn.

[GeneChing]

China orders Xu Xiaodong to publicly apologise and pay damages for insulting tai chi ‘grandmaster’ Chen Xiaowang (https://www.scmp.com/sport/mixed-martial-arts/article/3011644/china-orders-xu-xiaodong-publicly-apologise-and-pay)
Chinese court rules outspoken MMA fighter has to pay ‘world-renowned’ Chen Xiaowang around 400,000 yuan
‘Mad Dog’ also has to say sorry to Chen for seven consecutive days on Chinese social media
Nicolas Atkin
Published: 2:47pm, 24 May, 2019

https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/1200x800/public/d8/images/methode/2019/05/24/7763de2a-7dd1-11e9-8126-9d0e63452fe9_image_hires_154332.jpg?itok=7mOnjVYc
Xu Xiaodong (left) will publicly apologise to Chen Xiaowang (right) and pay him damages. Photo: Tom Wang/chenxiaowang.com

Outspoken MMA fighter Xu Xiaodong has been ordered by the Chinese courts to pay hundreds of thousands of yuan in damages and publicly apologise on social media for insulting a tai chi “grandmaster”.
Chen Xiaowang bills himself on his own website as the “19th generation lineage holder of Chen family taijiquan” and “one of the few holders of the highest rank of 9th Duan Wei conferred by the Chinese Wushu Association”.
These accolades have been bestowed on him “not only for his high level of achievements in tai chi, but also for the impact of his substantial worldwide contributions in introducing, promoting and developing Chen style taijiquan”.
That didn’t stop Xu from calling Chen a fraud a couple of years ago – but it seems he was playing with fire.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8qK0MXNBu7o

Chen is a board member of the Henan Institute of Sport and has the backing of the powerful Chinese Wushu Association, which has not taken kindly to Xu’s mission to expose “fake kung fu” by pulverising traditional martial artists who he believes are swindling the public.
The 41-year-old was sued for defamation and now a court document translated by YouTube channel Fight Commentary Breakdowns shows that Xu has to pay Chen around 400,000 yuan.

https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode/2019/05/24/123628b2-7dd3-11e9-8126-9d0e63452fe9_972x_154332.jpg
The court document detailing Xu Xiaodong’s punishments. Photo: Fight Commentary Breakdowns

“Mad Dog” must also apologise to Chen for seven consecutive days on Chinese social media platform NetEase.
The court document also shows some other punishments handed out to Xu, who now has a D-level social credit score in China.

That means he can’t ride in second class or above on planes or sleeper trains, nor ride high-speed trains – which is why it took him 36 hours to travel to his latest bout in Karamay, Xinjiang, where he brutalised a wing chun “master” in less than a minute.

https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/d8/images/methode/2019/05/24/ccd07db4-7dd1-11e9-8126-9d0e63452fe9_972x_154332.jpg
Chen Xiaowang is a ‘grandmaster’ in taijiquan. Photo: chenxiaowang.com

Xu is also barred from staying at certain hotels and golf courses, and has restrictions relating to buying or renting property and taking other modes of transport.
Xu doesn’t have children but if he did, there would be education restrictions placed on them too.
It seems like a costly mistake for Xu to have criticised Chen, who bills himself as a “direct descendant” of the creator of taijiquan, Cheng Wangting, and the grandson of Chen Fa’ke who was “renowned as the greatest taijiquan master at the beginning of the 20th century”.

Chen says he received “rigorous training” in Chen family taijiquan theory, forms, weapons, push hands and free sparring from his father and uncles.
He also boasts of winning three consecutive gold medals at the National Taijiquan Competition from 1980 to 1982, and in 1985 he became world champion for China at the First International Martial Arts Competition in Xi’an. He says he has since been champion in taijiquan more than 20 times.
Chen’s accolades don’t stop there. He has also apparently choreographed and directed martial arts films and written books and essays on taijiquan which “have been translated into many languages and published worldwide”, and left China in 1990 “on a mission to promote taijiquan to the world”.

He apparently also travels each year a distance “equivalent to twice the circumference of the earth” promoting and teaching taijiquan in Europe, North America, South America and Asia.
“Chen’s big heartedness, his outstanding taijiquan skills, and his personal characteristics make him highly respected around the world,” his own website says.
“He is truly the most outstanding Chen family taijiquan master of his generation and a world-renowned martial artist.”

Interesting that this news article puts 'grandmaster' in quotes for Chen Xiaowang.

THREAD
Xu Xiaodong Challenges to Kung Fu (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?70253-Xu-Xiaodong-Challenges-to-Kung-Fu)
Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?64008-Grandmaster-Chen-Xiaowang)

[Fu-Pow]

Glad to see my thread from 2001 at the top of the Tai Chi forum.


Interesting that this news article puts 'grandmaster' in quotes for Chen Xiaowang.

THREAD
Xu Xiaodong Challenges to Kung Fu (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?70253-Xu-Xiaodong-Challenges-to-Kung-Fu)
Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?64008-Grandmaster-Chen-Xiaowang)

[GeneChing]

Let's see how Oz reacts.


Xu Xiaodong wants to countersue tai chi ‘grandmaster’ in Australian court by pursuing citizenship (https://www.scmp.com/sport/martial-arts/mixed-martial-arts/article/3015723/xu-xiaodong-wants-countersue-tai-chi)
‘Mad Dog’ is looking for someone to sponsor him to become an Australian citizen so he can bring a case there against Chen Xiaowang
The outspoken MMA fighter had to pay nearly US$40,000 in damages and publicly apologise to Chen for accusing him of being a fraud
SCMP Reporter
Published: 6:29pm, 23 Jun, 2019

https://cdn.i-scmp.com/sites/default/files/styles/1200x800/public/d8/images/methode/2019/06/23/65dfbc28-94ce-11e9-a6c8-8445313d8ede_image_hires_182946.JPG?itok=CqTWgyhp&v=1561285790
Xu Xiaodong (left) had to publicly apologise to tai chi ‘grandmaster’ Chen Xiaowang (right) and pay him damages. Photos: Tom Wang/Twitter

Xu Xiaodong has said he intends to countersue the tai chi “grandmaster” Chen Xiaowang, who won a Chinese court case that forced him to pay damages last month.
The outspoken Chinese MMA fighter had claimed in a rant on social media earlier this week that he intends to move to Australia because “everyone is leaving China”. Chen relocated to Australia in 1990 having been born in Chenjiagou in 1945.
But he revealed there are further reasons behind his plan. “I want to acquire Australian citizenship, if I can find someone to sponsor and help me with that,” Xu told SCMP’s Inkstone over WeChat, China’s WhatsApp-like mega app.
“Chen’s tai chi is not real kung fu, it’s more for show. I think he’s promoting fraudulent information in China, so I want to acquire Australian citizenship so I can bring a court case against him in Australia.”
Chen brought the original case against Xu in a Beijing court for accusing him of faking a win against another fighter in a televised match.
Xu was ordered to pay a US$6,700 fine and to make a public apology, which he refused to do. That led to him being banned from flying, taking high-speed trains and booking hotels, among other restrictions, as part of punishments under China’s social credit system.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zr6gVr28YEQ

He eventually apologised, and the restrictions have been lifted, but he said he ended up paying around US$37,250 after legal fees and the cost of paying for a public apology to be placed.
Xu’s plans to move to Australia amid increasing censorship being placed on him in China. He said he wore a Spartan helmet in his online live stream where he announced his plans to leave China because he wanted to cover his face to evade online censorship.
He said his social media accounts get shut down more frequently if he doesn’t cover his face. He also had to wear face paint and use a demeaning nickname – “Winter Melon” – in order to have his last fight live-streamed.


Glad to see my thread from 2001 at the top of the Tai Chi forum.

Good on you Fu-Pow! :cool:

THREAD
Xu Xiaodong Challenges to Kung Fu (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?70253-Xu-Xiaodong-Challenges-to-Kung-Fu)
Grandmaster Chen Xiaowang (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?64008-Grandmaster-Chen-Xiaowang)