How Effective is Bong Sau?

[Yoshiyahu]

How effective is your Bong Sau against a Boxer or kick boxers punch?

Do you ever utilize bong sau against non-wing chun fighter in sparring or fighting, If So How did the bong re-act with the various punches that were thrown at you?


which punch? Vertical or Horizontal is the Bong Sau best use against? An how is the energy different?

[JPinAZ]

Are you being serious with this stuff, or are you just trolling?

Bong sau is very effective, if used as it's designed to be used and not 'against a punch'. Bong sau is typically not a tool to intercept punches/bridge with - regardless the attacker's style. It is a shape used to change space once a bridge has already been made and your original structure is collapsing in some way... But this has been covered so many times here already (the seach function is your friend)

Besides that, WCK is NOT 'this technique vs that technique' as your questions keep pointing towards - that is chasing hands and is far from what WCK is all about. This type of thinking will cause you to continue your endless bombardment of of this forum with low level, technique oreinted questions on thing that you should already know the answer too. That's fine for a newbie just starting out, but you claim over 15 years experience - Did you even bother to search or ask your 'sifu'/cousin this question first?

[YouKnowWho]

The Bong Sau has great value in grappling. When you use MT clinch and put your hand behind your opponent's neck and your forearm on your opponent's chest (mantis arm), if your opponent punch you with his free arm, you can use your Bong Sau to raise your elbow to block the punch.

[Bacon]

Well against boxing's straight punches and hook punches you have to use goh bong sau (which people also call biu sau) because tan sau doesn't work and regular bong sau won't either because of the style of punch.

That and dai bong sau against certain low strikes.

Bong sau is never used on its own though. Remember that bong sau doesn't stay.

[Yoshiyahu]

The Bong Sau has great value in grappling. When you use MT clinch and put your hand behind your opponent's neck and your forearm on your opponent's chest (mantis arm), if your opponent punch you with his free arm, you can use your Bong Sau to raise your elbow to block the punch.

thanks for your post..very informative!

[imperialtaichi]

Bong Sau is NOT a block, it is not even a pose; it is a spiral (spiraling arm/forearm) on top of a rotating cylinder (body). Don't think of it as a static structure, but a moving spin. It traps the incoming force (like a whirlpool) and redirects it away from your CL/COG. That is it's purpose. And it works very well for its purpose.

[Yoshiyahu]

Very good Analogy...I hear the hint of Bong never stays in your statement...But question In fighting do any of hands stay or pose?



Bong Sau is NOT a block, it is not even a pose; it is a spiral (spiraling arm/forearm) on top of a rotating cylinder (body). Don't think of it as a static structure, but a moving spin. It traps the incoming force (like a whirlpool) and redirects it away from your CL/COG. That is it's purpose. And it works very well for its purpose.

[LoneTiger108]

Are there no emoticons for *yawn*?

This forum is losing it's appeal because of countless non-productive threads like this one... but maybe I'm just expecting far too much

The magazine has lost my interest too :o

[wingchunIan]

train against a boxer or even just someone playing at being a boxer. Get into range to hit and be hit and dont stop after a single shot, you'll soon discover just how effective bong sao is

[Vajramusti]

Are there no emoticons for *yawn*?

This forum is losing it's appeal because of countless non-productive threads like this one... but maybe I'm just expecting far too much

The magazine has lost my interest too :o
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""This forum"? or a noise box?

[Yoshiyahu]

there are different variants of boxing styles..So depending on who you are boxing you need to beaware of their skill level...A person playing at boxing usually is just incorporating things he seen but has not actually been taught...Where as a boxer like my friends who train in boxing gyms actually get into the conditioning and sparring and hitting the heavy bag will have totally different skill set than someone who is playing at boxing but never conditioned his fist!



train against a boxer or even just someone playing at being a boxer. Get into range to hit and be hit and dont stop after a single shot, you'll soon discover just how effective bong sao is

[Happy Tiger]

One thing I find interesting is various houses regs. and cautions reguarding Bong to the inside gate. Some pretty strictly avoid this with 'recovery from the error' tech, while others seem to invite it. Comments??

[Happy Tiger]

One thing I find interesting is various houses regs. and cautions reguarding Bong to the inside gate. Some pretty strictly avoid this with 'recovery from the error' tech, while others seem to invite it. Comments??
The fact that the bong Sau spirals out has the effect of a 'chinese finger puzzle' that spirals\ opens for unwary limbs and contracts\withdraws and 'traps' the opponents cross tool\s....if you dare

[Yoshiyahu]

Bong Sau

Demonstrate how to flow around a strong attack.

[edit] Applications
Relieving pressure. Because Wing Chun is usable by a smaller person against a larger, stronger one, an important principle is flowing around the opponent's strength. This is called relieving pressure. When an attack is too strong for you to block, shift, get to the other side of the strike, and let it flow past you.
Bong Sau and Tan Sau easily flow into each other. If a punch is breaking down your Bong Sau structure, pivot the arm around the contact point to a Tan Sau and shift to facing the other way. Your new Tan Sau should steer the punch past you.
1.Left hand Bong Sau. Right hand stays in rest position. Don't shift or otherwise move. Application: The Bong Sau doesn't lend itself to a strike with the other hand. Normally you will use a Bong Sau just long enough to deflect a strike, then shift into something else. ("Bong Sau comes and goes like the wind.") You may also kick while blocking.

2.Left hand rolls into Tan Sau. Shoulder and wrist don't move. Application: You can use a Bong Sau to relieve pressure from a Tan Sau as well.
Application: When actually relieving pressure from a strike, you normally shift or step to get your body out of the way.

3.After a slight pause, drop fingers and do a left hand Low Palm Strike. Palm up, Huen Sau, return left hand to rest position. Tip: The pause is partly to point out that the Tan Sau and the Low Palm Strike are separate moves. The pause also allows you to get your hand into proper position for a hard strike and to focus your intention.

4.Repeat with right hand


http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Wing_Chun_Forms/Siu_Nim_Tau#Bong_Sau