Yee Gee Kim Yeung Ma

[Yoshiyahu]

I find this stance(horse) is more than Chi Kung Horse Stance use for training the tendons...I see it as also a transitional stance when fighting. Which allows you utilize your knees and both kicking legs easily. Also it allows you to switch elbow striking posistions and cycle with both elbows....

The Horse is 50/50...So you can have equal power with both striking hands. How ever its a temporary posistion to get off a series of elbows or set your opponent up for SLT based strike. You should move from YGKYM to Ding Ma...From Ding Ma one should either Biu Ma or Toh Ma..But at times when YGKYM is more beneficial one should utilize it.

Have you been able to utilize YGKYM whilst sparring?

[Lee Chiang Po]

You have about beat this one to death haven't you? YGKYM is not a horse stance. And yes, it is akways beneficial any time you fight.

[Yoshiyahu]

You have about beat this one to death haven't you? YGKYM is not a horse stance. And yes, it is akways beneficial any time you fight.

Lee Chiang Po...i utilize vocabulary you guys may disagree with...i call it a stance, a horse etc...The word Stance/Horse are interchangable to me!

[Bacon]

At least he's keeping the forum alive

[Vajramusti]

At least he's keeping the forum alive
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How can you tell?

[JPinAZ]

Or he's trying to kill it...

[David Jamieson]

Mah = Horse.

[Lee Chiang Po]

Mah = Horse.

This is commonly used for kung fu stances, but then this came from a man that spoke Canton. He explained to me that Yi gi Kim yang Mah refered to standing a particular way, and made no reference to horse. Of the Chinese dialects, none of them can accurately be translated into English. The closest thing to this description would be standing pigeon toed in English.

[Bacon]

This is commonly used for kung fu stances, but then this came from a man that spoke Canton. He explained to me that Yi gi Kim yang Mah refered to standing a particular way, and made no reference to horse. Of the Chinese dialects, none of them can accurately be translated into English. The closest thing to this description would be standing pigeon toed in English.

The most accurate translation would be "two-character squeezing sheep stance" and it is thusly named because this is how people stand when they shear sheep.

[Lee Chiang Po]

The most accurate translation would be "two-character squeezing sheep stance" and it is thusly named because this is how people stand when they shear sheep.

I was told that, but it was goats instead of sheep. Before he fled the commies he raised some sort of long haired goats and he explained that it was like holding a goat between the knees. But still no reference to horse.

[LoneTiger108]

I was told that, but it was goats instead of sheep. Before he fled the commies he raised some sort of long haired goats and he explained that it was like holding a goat between the knees. But still no reference to horse.

馬 - Ma = Horse :confused: This is the reference to the 'word' horse and in most traditional wushu the horse is referencing the stance or whole body unity required to stand and fight.

"Different horses for different courses" and all that.

羊 - Yeung = Goat :) Although there are those in the mainland that have been told this is actually 'Yang' (as is Yin Yang) and concentrate on the K1 point in the foot, clamping or squeezing the yang meridian.

I was taught Goat, as a reference to the mountainous regions of Fujian and specifically where the old southern temples used to be built. Goat herding was very common and possibly linked to the character of Wing Chun herself as she was supposedly a 'masculine' sort of tomboy who was strong and unafraid of hard work. Goat shearing specifically uses our clamped knee methods.

Our lighter stepping work too is suited for such regions where the ground is never even, and as a bit of trivia did you know that every part of a Goat can be utilised and used in Chinese Medicine? I found that very interesting indeed...

[Savi]

While I was taught Yi Ji Kim Yeung Mah as:

二 = Yi, Two
字 = Ji, Word
鉗 = Kim, Clamp/Grip
羊 = Yeung, Goat
馬 = Mah, Horse (stance)

from my Moy Yat Ving Tsun Kuen background, this is not the translation I have learned from my education in Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun Kuen. As LoneTiger108 pointed out the alternative translation, we also point to this translation:

二 = Yi, Two
字 = Ji, Word
鉗 = Kim, Clamp/Grip
陽 = Yeung/Yang
馬 = Horse (Stance)

In this instance, the pronunciation of Goat and “Yang” are very similar and be easily confused as “Yeung”. For one, the Yin-Yang theory is also referred to as Yim-Yeung. 羊 and 陽 sound very similar but a two totally different words.

Yeung in the “alternative” character (陽)has a few meanings: [1] positive (electricity) [2] male; masculine [3] the sun; sunlight; solar.
While I think most people would chalk this up to just a difference in words, I am more inclined to ask “why”.

To play a bit of devil’s advocate (no offense intended to anyone) and more to the point of the Wing Chun art supposedly being focused away from animal-style based kung fu mechanics, I find it contradictory for the “mother stance” of Wing Chun to be based on the notion of holding down sheep/goats with your knees. Why? What does that have to do with combat? Is Wing Chun based on Snake, Crane, and Goats? Wing Chun is first and foremost a human-structured based system which sets it apart from using the more “traditional” Shaolin animal kung fu mechanics.

Let’s then ask ourselves what exactly does holding down sheep/goats have with the art of Wing Chun? Do we hold such reverence for the farmers and countryside people who tended to livestock as to use that as a base for the entire art? How many of you practice your Yi Ji Kim Yeung Mah training over a goat?

I also heard that another explanation was that on the Red Boats this stance was used to steady oneself for training. If so, once again we have an occurrence of the stance being driven by environmental circumstances. How many of you have successfully held your Yi Ji Kim Yeung Mah AND do Wing Chun on a moving boat? I’ve tried this a few times at 25 knots (about 29 mph) and 40 knots (about 46 mph) on smooth and rough waters. I can tell you it doesn’t work and is completely impractical to use for that environment.

From what I gather on the Yeung/Yang version (陽), this use must be in reference to the Yin-Yang/Yim-Yeung Theory of balance and harmony. In Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun Kuen, the Heaven Human Earth concept is a central theme of the science. The Yin-Yang symbol is most illustratively presented at the base of the Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun logo designated as the Earth element. This can be emblematic to the reasoning that at the foundation of all things, balance and harmony must be established first before engaging external forces. Hence why in Siu Nim Tao we learn to be still first, so that as we develop the ability to influence other forces through our Pak, Taan, Bong, etc… we discover our greatest strength is in our ability to hold our ground. Later when we move our horse to advance or adjust, it is done so with the essence of the Yi Ji Kim Yeung Mah intact rather than left behind. This explanation holds more substance as it resonates with the scientific basis of the Wing Chun art, for me, than the alternative.

[Yoshiyahu]

Ma = Horse/Stance


just saying

http://www.wingchun.edu.au/media/wing-chun-articles/jim-fung/wing-chun-stance

http://www.kwokwingchun.com/training-tips/stances-and-kicking/the-wing-chun-stance/

http://www.wingchunlife.com/what-is-the-wing-chun-fighting-stance.html

http://www.ipmanwingchunfrance.com/Stances--and--Kicks.php

[couch]

Does it work? Can you fight? Just sayin'.

[TenTigers]

in my experience, yjkym when used in training teaches the student to develop a strong root, as you cannot place one foot back to stabilize.
Rooting becomes, "internal."
No, not the tree-hugging,ch'i-blast, internal, ya knuckleheads,
But being in touch with the squeezing, contracting, spiraling, and alignments that goes on inside when trying to root while applying forward pressure, or receiving it.
An example would be during chi-sao,
or when you are working the mook yan jong, and apply the double palm strike, and rock the jong-without being moved backward.

Another use is when training live drills. You stand in yjkym to allow you the ability to go in whichever direction you need to to attack your opponent's attack, much the way you stand to receive a serve in tennis.
You can also say that when used in fighting, it does not give your opponent your blind side.

[Vajramusti]

in my experience, yjkym when used in training teaches the student to develop a strong root, as you cannot place one foot back to stabilize.
Rooting becomes, "internal."
No, not the tree-hugging,ch'i-blast, internal, ya knuckleheads,
But being in touch with the squeezing, contracting, spiraling, and alignments that goes on inside when trying to root while applying forward pressure, or receiving it.
An example would be during chi-sao,
or when you are working the mook yan jong, and apply the double palm strike, and rock the jong-without being moved backward.

Another use is when training live drills. You stand in yjkym to allow you the ability to go in whichever direction you need to to attack your opponent's attack, much the way you stand to receive a serve in tennis.
You can also say that when used in fighting, it does not give your opponent your blind side.
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Much truth on ygkym.

Ignore Yoshiyahu...on all threads!!

[Ali. R]

The stronger ones root is, the more he or she could bring their system to life, and it’s the best way to develop sensitivity within ones upper extremities by having a strong connection to the floor. “Wing Chun’s Soft Approach” is based on a strong stance.

Let’s face it, the softer you are the better you can read ones intensions off a block or even from eye sensitivity, the stronger ones root is through relaxation will develop the ease of mental assuredness and confidents upon a stressful situation.

You can’t turn into a curve going a 100mph by being ridged and stiff, but if one relaxes he or she will develop enough eye sensitivity to gain field management to take that turn successfully (Tokyo Drift) and with a better time as well. This would not be accomplished unless the car itself was developed to do so.

Just as ‘Tai Chi’ stresses the ideal of a strong root to develop softness in ones upper extremities, our system has the same mental connection as “The Grand Ultimate Fist”, far as developing softness and sensitivity from a stance point of view.

And no, you don’t have to take ‘Tai Chi’ to relate to what I’m saying, but if you study or have studied ‘Tai Chi’; Wing Chun’s ‘soft approach’ could very well be something for you to look into, just my personal opinion. And I’m not being Hyper-individualistic or perpetuating any form of temerity, just sharing what I’ve been taught

Hope you enjoy,

http://detroitwingchun.com/kenart1.htm

Ali

[Yoshiyahu]

Excellent Post brother


The stronger ones root is, the more he or she could bring their system to life, and it’s the best way to develop sensitivity within ones upper extremities by having a strong connection to the floor. “Wing Chun’s Soft Approach” is based on a strong stance.

Let’s face it, the softer you are the better you can read ones intensions off a block or even from eye sensitivity, the stronger ones root is through relaxation will develop the ease of mental assuredness and confidents upon a stressful situation.

You can’t turn into a curve going a 100mph by being ridged and stiff, but if one relaxes he or she will develop enough eye sensitivity to gain field management to take that turn successfully (Tokyo Drift) and with a better time as well. This would not be accomplished unless the car itself was developed to do so.

Just as ‘Tai Chi’ stresses the ideal of a strong root to develop softness in ones upper extremities, our system has the same mental connection as “The Grand Ultimate Fist”, far as developing softness and sensitivity from a stance point of view.

And no, you don’t have to take ‘Tai Chi’ to relate to what I’m saying, but if you study or have studied ‘Tai Chi’; Wing Chun’s ‘soft approach’ could very well be something for you to look into, just my personal opinion. And I’m not being Hyper-individualistic or perpetuating any form of temerity, just sharing what I’ve been taught

Hope you enjoy,

http://detroitwingchun.com/kenart1.htm

Ali

[Ali. R]

Excellent Post brother

Thank you very much dear brother.

‘YJKYM’ is the nexus/precursor of all the applications within the wing chun system, especially when dealing with defense and without falling into the tedious forms of prolix, I’ll say this.

Anyone could throw a good punch, but can one stop a strike when it really, really counts. Master your stance and it will be shown.

[SAAMAG]

I would love to see someone successfully fight in YGKYM. It's a training stance, you don't fight in it. If you do, you're going to get hit...a lot...by anyone trained properly who fights frequently.

Having the knees inward is good for straight punching, but you should be TRANSITIONING to that inward-knee position and then back out when you no longer need it.

[Ali. R]

Once one develops his/her stance, within the form of relaxation, balance and while mastering ones center of gravity, he -or-she will move as gracefully as walking.

But if one doesn’t master the concepts in which I’ve just stated above, they would be like a little child learning to ride a bike for the first time; stiff, awkward, unsure and without confidents.

But when the balance and center of gravity is mastered, relaxation/mental calmness will come into light, bringing confidents and grace upon pressure. Just as a child that waves at his/her father; when riding their bikes down the street.

[Yoshiyahu]

I understand what your saying..I want to elaborate on transtioning...i believe this key...it is possible to fight In YGKYM, Its also possible to fight in Ding Ma,Toh Ma, Cho Mah, Biu Ma, Huen Ma, and even hanging horse. But its all about transition. Im not gonna hold my Ding Ma or side horse stance while you circle around me. No im utilize footwork to change my angle, direction, posistion an centerline. Its possible to utilize Horse stance and Arrow Stance, and cat stance in a fight if your hung ga. But you dont stay in those posistions. Each posture or stance or horse has a various purpose...Siu Lien Tao teaches you the purpose and theories behind the YGKYM an when to utilize it an what its weaknesses are...try sparring in YGKYM only...you will quickly find its limitations that way...

Chum Kiu develops on the YGKYM and also adds Cho Ma, Toh Ma and Ding Ma...From there you begin to see the theories and applications and limitations behind those three horses or footwork.

Try sparring in just Ding Ma with out turning or switiching sides, Then you will discover the limitation, Try only using Cho Ma or Toh Ma when you spar then you will see the limitations.

All footwork should be use fluently and compeletely. To think for a second your gonna just stand there in one posisition an fight is ridculous...drill yes. But not actually fight a moving, charging, an resisting opponent!



I would love to see someone successfully fight in YGKYM. It's a training stance, you don't fight in it. If you do, you're going to get hit...a lot...by anyone trained properly who fights frequently.

Having the knees inward is good for straight punching, but you should be TRANSITIONING to that inward-knee position and then back out when you no longer need it.

[imperialtaichi]

Kim Yeung, Gripping Yang, is the most fundamental power generation method.

[imperialtaichi]

Top level Tai Chi there is no root (as such). No legs below the knees. If there is a root, it can be broken. Not a Tai Chi forum so I won't rant on.

[Ali. R]

It's true, that there’s no root in ‘Tai Chi’ per say, but technically in practice there’s a root within transition to transition while in application in order to uproot or dissolve your opponent’s intentions.

But, what you said has a lot of truth to it, in theory; usually within the follow through of an application itself, making room for fluidity before and after one enter into the next transition/application.

Very strong principals for fighting systems that promotes softness within the upper extremities and fluidity within the lower extremities. What good is a stance, if one can’t move their feet while sitting in it (moving stance)?

Take Care,

Ali

[Wayfaring]

Good stuff imperialtaichi and Ali.

[Yoshiyahu]

No root, or Root...There are different ways to generate power With your wing chun...root or sinking force usually occurs when you are still...also uplifting and rising force may occur when you are stationary...But going from mobile to stationary are transitional periods. I would never fight from a stationary posistion only. Nor would i only be mobile. I will mix it up...

When in motion advancing, flanking and even retreating there are difference forces one can utilize to their advantage..advancing accompanied by forward energy is benefical. Retreating or side stepping with yielding energy is beneficial. There are exceptions to the rule...but certain motions give you more bang for your buck...

when you are in motion you utilize momentum and structure to carry your force along...in other words your entire body frame converges on your target into your punch allowing you use a different kind of force other than root. When in motion you have no root but you may still have your centre...

[wingchunIan]

While I was taught Yi Ji Kim Yeung Mah as:

二 = Yi, Two
字 = Ji, Word
鉗 = Kim, Clamp/Grip
羊 = Yeung, Goat
馬 = Mah, Horse (stance)

from my Moy Yat Ving Tsun Kuen background, this is not the translation I have learned from my education in Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun Kuen. As LoneTiger108 pointed out the alternative translation, we also point to this translation:

二 = Yi, Two
字 = Ji, Word
鉗 = Kim, Clamp/Grip
陽 = Yeung/Yang
馬 = Horse (Stance)

In this instance, the pronunciation of Goat and “Yang” are very similar and be easily confused as “Yeung”. For one, the Yin-Yang theory is also referred to as Yim-Yeung. 羊 and 陽 sound very similar but a two totally different words.

Yeung in the “alternative” character (陽)has a few meanings: [1] positive (electricity) [2] male; masculine [3] the sun; sunlight; solar.
While I think most people would chalk this up to just a difference in words, I am more inclined to ask “why”.

To play a bit of devil’s advocate (no offense intended to anyone) and more to the point of the Wing Chun art supposedly being focused away from animal-style based kung fu mechanics, I find it contradictory for the “mother stance” of Wing Chun to be based on the notion of holding down sheep/goats with your knees. Why? What does that have to do with combat? Is Wing Chun based on Snake, Crane, and Goats? Wing Chun is first and foremost a human-structured based system which sets it apart from using the more “traditional” Shaolin animal kung fu mechanics.

Let’s then ask ourselves what exactly does holding down sheep/goats have with the art of Wing Chun? Do we hold such reverence for the farmers and countryside people who tended to livestock as to use that as a base for the entire art? How many of you practice your Yi Ji Kim Yeung Mah training over a goat?

I also heard that another explanation was that on the Red Boats this stance was used to steady oneself for training. If so, once again we have an occurrence of the stance being driven by environmental circumstances. How many of you have successfully held your Yi Ji Kim Yeung Mah AND do Wing Chun on a moving boat? I’ve tried this a few times at 25 knots (about 29 mph) and 40 knots (about 46 mph) on smooth and rough waters. I can tell you it doesn’t work and is completely impractical to use for that environment.

From what I gather on the Yeung/Yang version (陽), this use must be in reference to the Yin-Yang/Yim-Yeung Theory of balance and harmony. In Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun Kuen, the Heaven Human Earth concept is a central theme of the science. The Yin-Yang symbol is most illustratively presented at the base of the Hung Fa Yi Wing Chun logo designated as the Earth element. This can be emblematic to the reasoning that at the foundation of all things, balance and harmony must be established first before engaging external forces. Hence why in Siu Nim Tao we learn to be still first, so that as we develop the ability to influence other forces through our Pak, Taan, Bong, etc… we discover our greatest strength is in our ability to hold our ground. Later when we move our horse to advance or adjust, it is done so with the essence of the Yi Ji Kim Yeung Mah intact rather than left behind. This explanation holds more substance as it resonates with the scientific basis of the Wing Chun art, for me, than the alternative.

This is actually one of the main things that's wrong with a lot of what is said on this forum in my ever so humble opinion. People seeking hidden meanings in the names of techniques / shapes and basing their knowledge of how something should be used on the label ascribed to it rather than a genuine transmission of knowledge. Ip man himself was of the opinion that the names of the techniques were irrelevant, he changed many of them to be less flowery and mystical using more simple descriptive terms. Many of the shapes were named because of what they look like, often by people not even training. YGKYM was so named at some point in the past because the positions of the toes and heels resemble the character 2 in caligraphy and the position of the knees looks similar to the position that someone would adopt to shear a goat / sheep or other animal

[wingchunIan]

I understand what your saying..I want to elaborate on transtioning...i believe this key...it is possible to fight In YGKYM

good luck with that. IMHO YGKYM has only one purpose and that is as a training stance. It trains the leg muscles and tendons, trains one to sink their centre of gravity, to unify the upper and lower body, to turn the knees in and teaches the correct spacing between the feet.

[JPinAZ]

This is actually one of the main things that's wrong with a lot of what is said on this forum in my ever so humble opinion. People seeking hidden meanings in the names of techniques / shapes and basing their knowledge of how something should be used on the label ascribed to it rather than a genuine transmission of knowledge. Ip man himself was of the opinion that the names of the techniques were irrelevant, he changed many of them to be less flowery and mystical using more simple descriptive terms. Many of the shapes were named because of what they look like, often by people not even training. YGKYM was so named at some point in the past because the positions of the toes and heels resemble the character 2 in caligraphy and the position of the knees looks similar to the position that someone would adopt to shear a goat / sheep or other animal

I think Savi's write-up was great and very informative. What I find wrong (to use your word) with what you said is implying YGKYM is simply a technique described how one's toes/knees point. IMO, this is only looking at the surface level/shape and not looking at YGKYM as a concept/technology based on principle (as Savi's post does) :)

BTW, not all WCK comes from Ip Man ;)

[wingchunIan]

I think Savi's write-up was great and very informative. What I find wrong (to use your word) with what you said is implying YGKYM is simply a technique described how one's toes/knees point. IMO, this is only looking at the surface level/shape and not looking at YGKYM as a concept/technology based on principle (as Savi's post does) :)

BTW, not all WCK comes from Ip Man ;)

I'm fully aware that not all Wing Chun comes from Ip Man. I'm glad you found Savi's write up so informative, good luck with your lifelong search for the deep hidden secrets contained in the name of the basic stance. Maybe you could get a job on a goat farm to really truly understand the concepts and "technology":p
As far as concepts in YGKYM are concerned I'm fully comfortable that I understand them, as I described in my other post but they have absolutely nothing to do with grabbing goats or the origins of wing chun

[JPinAZ]

I'm fully aware that not all Wing Chun comes from Ip Man. I'm glad you found Savi's write up so informative, good luck with your lifelong search for the deep hidden secrets.... BLAH BLAH BLAH

Guess you can't take the same critisism you dish out.

[imperialtaichi]

There are many ways to train leg muscles and unity. There's a lot more to YJKYM than just that. True, one should not over-complicate things; but one should not just stay on the superficial either.

[Yoshiyahu]

After you mastered the following do you only go on to fight in a ding ma or side stance...Do you only use a side stance when fighting..If so a person who uses both has an advantage...

The Mook Yan Jong does alot of things...For one it teaches you how to deal with an opponent with one lead leg forward. The YGKYM stance is to protect your from a lifting leg into your groin. I actually learn this first hand on the street. I wasn't holding a stance but from practicing basics so much i instantly went into YGKYM when someone tried to kick me.

Did i stay holding that stance..No i went into Ding Ma to reassess the situtation...Theres a time a place for everything...In sparring imma take Ding Ma as my intial stance not YGKYM. I will transition into YGYKM when the need arises...This quasi training stance allows you more motion of both extremities allowing you to strike with both hands, both elbows and kick from both feet. How ever it is best use for clinch or toe to toe distance. That is why Chi Sau is mostly taught in YGKYM...but moving chi sau one should utilize other footwork. and in sparring all footwork is good. YGKYM is temporary posistion, Bong Sau is temporary, trapping is temporary, front kick is temporary...you dont kick an just hold the foot back out there, you transition to text technique, theory or principle!




good luck with that. IMHO YGKYM has only one purpose and that is as a training stance. It trains the leg muscles and tendons, trains one to sink their centre of gravity, to unify the upper and lower body, to turn the knees in and teaches the correct spacing between the feet.

[wingchunIan]

Guess you can't take the same critisism you dish out.

When you can't even be bothered to read sufficient posts to inform yourself before spouting off you shouldn't be surprised when I treat your post with the contempt that it deserves.

[JPinAZ]

I've read everything you wrote, but with your know-it-all condescending tone, this is all I hear


When you can't even be bothered to read sufficient posts BLAH BLAH BLAH.

[Yoshiyahu]

By a number of hands?

Can you use Wing Chun Mother Stance Yee Gee Kim Yeung Ma in a fight

Yes/No?

[Ali. R]

By a number of hands?

Can you use Wing Chun Mother Stance Yee Gee Kim Yeung Ma in a fight

Yes/No?


I’ve knocked out a few guys without moving my feet while sitting in that stance.

[k gledhill]

I’ve knocked out a few guys without moving my feet while sitting in that stance.

Well done.

[Wayfaring]

I’ve knocked out a few guys without moving my feet while sitting in that stance.

Testimony to mitt work reflexes as opposed to the fighting power of the stance, IMO. If you don't sink it real deep or overturn the toes in it's a basic high mobility stance. So it should be useful in a fighting scenario.

[Yoshiyahu]

I’ve knocked out a few guys without moving my feet while sitting in that stance.

Great comeback...love it!

[JPinAZ]

uh oh, the bromance is back! here we go again.. :rolleyes:

[Ali. R]

uh oh, the bromance is back! here we go again.. :rolleyes:


I see you climbed from your garbage can, and now; there you (http://stuartnager.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/troll.jpg)sit, in your favorite location of waylay.

[EternalSpring]

This is commonly used for kung fu stances, but then this came from a man that spoke Canton. He explained to me that Yi gi Kim yang Mah refered to standing a particular way, and made no reference to horse. Of the Chinese dialects, none of them can accurately be translated into English. The closest thing to this description would be standing pigeon toed in English.

Well, I always looked at it in regards to a way my Si Tai Gong Moy Yat spoke about "mah" in one of his videos (unfortunately i never met him, so hopefully someone can correct me if i misunderstood his words). The idea of "mah/horse" in regards to stances is related to the idea of actually sitting on a horse.

You sit on a horse and yet when you're on the horse, you shouldn't be knocked over by the slightest wind that blows against you. This is similar to how you can sit on a chair and if someone pushed you, you wouldn't just easily fall off the chair. The idea is that since we sink into the horse correctly, it's four legs have now grounded us as if we were on our own two feet. We dont feel a lack of stability every time we sit in a chair because we sink in a way that our body weight is grounded by the legs of the chair, yet sitting in a chair is not a stenuous activity.

Going back to horses, and I'm no expert, but even when riding a horse, you cant really just be careless. You need to maintain a grip on the horse while also being relaxed so that you're not tired within 10 minutes of riding. It's basically another great example of "being relaxed during motion."

Now, I may have misunderstood Sifu Moy Yat, but I think the analogy still makes sense because the things you'd want out of a "stance" are also what you'd want if you were to be on a horse during battle. But that's my two cents on the matter.

[Yoshiyahu]

uh oh, the bromance is back! here we go again.. :rolleyes:

get out yo fantasy!