Mantis wooden dummy?

[LaterthanNever]

Hi all,

So far I've seen wooden dummies(Muk Jong) for: Wing Chun, Choy Li Fut..and as of about a year ago..one for Hung Ga(Hung Kuen).

Is there such a thing as Mantis Muk Jong? If so, how does it differ from say..the Wing Chun wooden dummy..thanks!

LTN

[mooyingmantis]

Hi all,

So far I've seen wooden dummies(Muk Jong) for: Wing Chun, Choy Li Fut..and as of about a year ago..one for Hung Ga(Hung Kuen).

Is there such a thing as Mantis Muk Jong? If so, how does it differ from say..the Wing Chun wooden dummy..thanks!

LTN

This is what we use:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7mtFxEPEl1s&feature=relmfu

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SJrJvPy5dOo

[EarthDragon]

As a cheap but highly effective dummy arm only, I have a 2 piece cut broom stick wrapped in a towel then wrapped with duct tape the same size as a humerous and unlna/ radial bone complete with fist ball at the end and I use it for all mantis arm techniques and joint locks, it works suprising very well and it costs hardly nothing.

[yu shan]

Robert Hui has an awesome wooden dummy set.

[TaichiMantis]

Robert Hui has an awesome wooden dummy set.

Yeah, just saw his latest video (http://showcaselacrosse.com/files/Official_Venue_Map.jpg)

[Shadow_Trickery]

An article springs to mind from the "Mantis Quarterly" journal, in which Sifu Robert Hui talks about training with with the Taiji Mantis wooden dummy. Perhaps this might be of interest?

[EarthDragon]

I have a frien who is looking for one, any sufggestions, and does anyone make them by hand cheaper than your typical crap

[Bacon]

I have a frien who is looking for one, any sufggestions, and does anyone make them by hand cheaper than your typical crap

The best cheap version is to cut the body from PVC and just buy arms and the leg.

[Paul T England]

I have not seen any mantis dummy stuff that adds much to training.

Instead of collecting more and more, people show make things more efficient. A wing chun dummy is handy for traiing when you don't have a partner but is not a replacement.

Paul
www.moifa.co.uk

[mantiskickboxer]

I have not seen any mantis dummy stuff that adds much to training.

Instead of collecting more and more, people show make things more efficient. A wing chun dummy is handy for traiing when you don't have a partner but is not a replacement.

Paul
www.moifa.co.uk

My tai mantis school doesn't use a mantis dummy for training which I always thought was kind of strange.. but never one to question my superiors I guess this comment answers why we don't use one

[Fa Xing]

My tai mantis school doesn't use a mantis dummy for training which I always thought was kind of strange.. but never one to question my superiors I guess this comment answers why we don't use one

You must not learn much by not asking questions.

[mooyingmantis]

We use our dummy primarily as a means of conditioning.

[mantiskickboxer]

You must not learn much by not asking questions.

^ It's funny how stupid people think that stupid questions don't exist

[YouKnowWho]

My tai mantis school doesn't use a mantis dummy for training which I always thought was kind of strange.. but never one to question my superiors I guess this comment answers why we don't use one

As far as I know, the long fist schools don't use dummy for training either.

[xiao yao]

wooden dummy training is a southern thing, my guess is it was added into the system by the HK lineages, either Luo Guang Yu or Chu Chuk Kai after being exposed to southern styles

As far as I know mainland lineages dont practice dummy at all. not saying its good or bad, just a regional thing

[sanjuro_ronin]

We use our dummy primarily as a means of conditioning.

While some WC will argue with this, I agree that the main purpose of beating a piece of wood should be that, conditioning.
Honestly anything other than that is best done with a partner.

[Fa Xing]

^ It's funny how stupid people think that stupid questions don't exist

It's funny how people think by not questioning anything means they'll get anywhere. Good luck with that!

I don't give a flying **** about you asking stupid questions, you must be very slow if all you can ask are stupid questions. When I train with people, I ask about things that I need clarification on because I'm in a bind about what I am working on, or I need help on my positioning.

Again, good luck on getting far without questioning anything! *******!

[mantiskickboxer]

It's funny how people think by not questioning anything means they'll get anywhere. Good luck with that!

I don't give a flying **** about you asking stupid questions, you must be very slow if all you can ask are stupid questions. When I train with people, I ask about things that I need clarification on because I'm in a bind about what I am working on, or I need help on my positioning.

Again, good luck on getting far without questioning anything! *******!

Nobody here said anything about not questioning anything.

Only in the mind of a simpleton can such an assumption be made.

And try to mind your temper, when you swear on an internet forum it makes you look like trailer park trash.

[mooyingmantis]

Mantiskickboxer & Fa Xing,
Take your rude comments to private messages! We don't tolerate this behavior in the Praying Mantis forum like they do the other forums. :mad:

[Fa Xing]

Mantiskickboxer & Fa Xing,
Take your rude comments to private messages! We don't tolerate this behavior in the Praying Mantis forum like they do the other forums. :mad:

My apologies mooyingmantis.

[mooyingmantis]

My apologies mooyingmantis.

Thank you, but none needed. We just work very hard to keep this forum drama free and open to all opinions. :)

[Kellen Bassette]

We just work very hard to keep this forum drama free and open to all opinions. :)

It is the classiest forum on the site, I'll give you that...

[Frost]

While some WC will argue with this, I agree that the main purpose of beating a piece of wood should be that, conditioning.
Honestly anything other than that is best done with a partner.

sometimes I think the Chinese went out of their way to invent new ways to avoid actually hitting and being hit by a partner in training.....

[sanjuro_ronin]

sometimes I think the Chinese went out of their way to invent new ways to avoid actually hitting and being hit by a partner in training.....

Nah.
That TCMA is full of stories of hard training ( stories of teachers that hurt their students for example) and challenge matches shows that, at least int he past, fighting was important.
Training dummies were NOT a substitute for fighting, they were conditioning devices.

[Frost]

Nah.
That TCMA is full of stories of hard training ( stories of teachers that hurt their students for example) and challenge matches shows that, at least int he past, fighting was important.
Training dummies were NOT a substitute for fighting, they were conditioning devices.

tell that to the wing chun crowd lol,
I know what you mean but the number of clubs where people spend the majority of class timw doing line drills, forms, stance training and dummy work are legion...where as the number who spend the majority of class hitting each other (not just application work but free sparring) .....well those places are hard to find...

[sanjuro_ronin]

tell that to the wing chun crowd lol,
I know what you mean but the number of clubs where people spend the majority of class timw doing line drills, forms, stance training and dummy work are legion...where as the number who spend the majority of class hitting each other (not just application work but free sparring) .....well those places are hard to find...

The point of the WD is so that when you can't train with a partner, you can at least develop the attributes you need to fight.
In the case of the WD:
Structure
Conditioning
Contact
and so forth.

It doesn't hit you back you you can't work on evasion and defense.

Like a punching bag, it is "beating up on an opponent that is covering up" at best.

You can make it more alive by NOT following a set sequence and by "fighting" it as you would a real opponent ( intent wise) BUT in the grande scheme of things it is and always has been a conditioning tool.

[YouKnowWho]

We use our dummy primarily as a means of conditioning.

While some WC will argue with this, I agree that the main purpose of beating a piece of wood should be that, conditioning.
Honestly anything other than that is best done with a partner.

I'll use a dummy for "reference". In another thread, I mentioned to draw a line on the ground as the reference point of my opponent's feet position. The dummy's arms and leg are much better reference point than just a line on the ground.

In the following clip, you can even use a belt as "reference" for your opponent's leg. The nice thing about this is you can train on your belt 24/7.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzUxOTYwMDY4.html