High Tolerances to Dit Da Jow???

[TAO YIN]

:confused:Strange question but nonetheless... Is it possible for people to develop a high tolerance for Dit Da Jow over a period of time? Does it work like basically any drug or alcohol? Do people develop a tolerance for it over time and therefore need more and more? If so, does using different kinds of jow negate such tolerance?

My meaning here is like a person who is a heavy beer drinker. They simply need more and more beer to get drunk...But then, they have a shot of Everclear, and their not being drunk enough problem is solved...

Mr. Dugas, I was hoping you could chime in on this please.

Cheers,

Tao

[GeneChing]

I'm allergic to ditdajow because I used too much of it in my youth. I know many others that are in the same situation as me. It's pretty common, actually.

[TAO YIN]

Gene,

Thanks for the reply. Do you know what specific ingredients you are allergic to? One day did you just break out with a big rash, or many times, or just gradually? What were your experiences?

I have never developed any kind of allergies to jow and of course hope not to...I was mainly asking because lately the stand by jow that I use doesn't seem to have any kind of the same effect that it used to. There is nothing wrong with the jow as far as it being diluted, old, or whatever. I just don't get anywhere near the same results.. :confused:

[Dale Dugas]

I feel you can get used to certain formulas and if you have used them for a long time, you might find a switch to another formula can work wonders. Some formulas are not that strong.

Some people develop a form of contact dermatitis to Dit Da Jow and cannot use it.

You can add Er Cha 30 grams or She Chuang Zi 30 grams to help deal with the allergic type reactions to medicines.

I have had only one person get irritated using my liniment and they had very sensitive skin.

[Warrior_Man]

She Chuang Zi (Cnidium) should never be used on sore or dry skin, something Dale failed to mention. For this reason, I would strongly advise consulting someone with actual credentials and experience regarding Dit Da Jow as improper use can lead to serious injury.

[Dale Dugas]

Anytime you want to post up your Chinese medical credentials over my own. Please feel free to do so.

Until then you are nothing that you claim you are.

Please do not listen to anything this person says. He is untrained and unlicensed in Chinese herbs.

[Warrior_Man]

Stop mouthherbing cupcake. TAO YIN, I was taught by my master, but take a look at this website if you need further information on this clearly misunderstood seed - http://www.herbpalace.com/herbs/cnidium-seed.html

[Dale Dugas]

This really has gone on long enough.



Unless you have a license and can prove you are a person and not some screen name and that you have an actual license, you can stop pretending to be something you are not.

[Warrior_Man]

More mouthherbing from cupcake. Stop acting like a fortune cookie, you're embarrassing yourself. That looks like a fake to me - I've known LOTS of people buy these sort of tinpot documents from markets and salesfolk in Hong Kong. Here's another website confirming what I stated earlier - http://www.naturopathydigest.com/nutrition_herbs/herbs/cnidium_seed.php

EDIT - Dale has just taken down the document in question after reading my comment above.

[GeneChing]

Do you know what specific ingredients you are allergic to? One day did you just break out with a big rash, or many times, or just gradually? What were your experiences? I described my situation in detail in my book, Shaolin Trips (http://www.amazon.com/Shaolin-Trips-Gene-Ching/dp/1424308976/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1276188031&sr=1-1). Basically, I was being treated at Shaolin, and had a tremendous reaction, which resulted in cellutis. It was pretty horrific, but fortunately it didn't manifest fully until I was leaving China. I had to go straight from SFO to the emergency room.

Therein lies one of the greatest hazards of dit da jow. It's completely unregulated, especially in America. TCMer could put rat **** in it and how would you know?

Now I get a reaction from a lot of topical liniments. For a while, I worked with a few TCM/Kung Fu people to try and identify what specifically I was allergic to, but it seems to be a gestalt of ingredients. So I abandoned dit da jow. If I need some sort of topical relief, there are so many other products for pain, soreness and bruising available - from Western scientifical stuff like Ben Gay, to classic herbal remedies like arnica blends, to aryuvedic recipes that are as venerated as dit da jow. I do miss dit da jow as that stuff was the bomb, but I had to move on.

[Warrior_Man]

Therein lies one of the greatest hazards of dit da jow. It's completely unregulated, especially in America. TCMer could put rat **** in it and how would you know?


Totally agree, that is why it is worth seeing a specialist, and not someone who suggests herbs without a full understanding of the dangers.

[Faruq]

I described my situation in detail in my book, Shaolin Trips (http://www.amazon.com/Shaolin-Trips-Gene-Ching/dp/1424308976/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1276188031&sr=1-1). Basically, I was being treated at Shaolin, and had a tremendous reaction, which resulted in cellutis. It was pretty horrific, but fortunately it didn't manifest fully until I was leaving China. I had to go straight from SFO to the emergency room.

Therein lies one of the greatest hazards of dit da jow. It's completely unregulated, especially in America. TCMer could put rat **** in it and how would you know?

Now I get a reaction from a lot of topical liniments. For a while, I worked with a few TCM/Kung Fu people to try and identify what specifically I was allergic to, but it seems to be a gestalt of ingredients. So I abandoned dit da jow. If I need some sort of topical relief, there are so many other products for pain, soreness and bruising available - from Western scientifical stuff like Ben Gay, to classic herbal remedies like arnica blends, to aryuvedic recipes that are as venerated as dit da jow. I do miss dit da jow as that stuff was the bomb, but I had to move on.

So what do you use for your iron palm and fist training, Gene?

[GeneChing]

I don't train Iron Palm anymore. I only dabbled in it back when I wasn't allergic. I was never that into it, personally, despite many of my classmates who were obsessed with it. I just work bags and do conditioning.

[Faruq]

Not even fist training with the BBs in the wall bag? Well, I'd have to think most MMA'ers train like you, and can kick much butt as well so you're still in good company.

[GeneChing]

And I wouldn't dare claim that I trained like an MMA fighter. Not even close nowadays. I'm way too old and broken. :o

[Warrior_Man]

I train a lot like MMA guys, just in a traditional way.

[Faruq]

(Whispers to Gene) Don't worry, buddy. I won't tell anybody. That way no one tries to overthrow your vast empire internet empire. lol (Addresses Gene in loud voice again so everyone hears)LOL! You're such a joker!!!

[TAO YIN]

Gene, thank you for your reply. I did not notice your other thread about poisonous jows before. Reading up on some of the various material youhave posted, I am thinking to be much more careful when buying in the future. Dale, thank you for your reply as well. I would love to buy some Tiger Exits the Forest jow from you, and will do so when I have some funds.

Another question. Does it make much of a difference what alcohol recipes are mixed with? Would Brandy be the best? What would be the safest? I have always used rice wine or vodka.

[Dale Dugas]

You can use pretty much any hard liquor you want. The only thing is not everclear or moonshine. Grain alcohol is too much pure alcohol. You need the mix of water and alcohol as solvents.

I like 50% or 100 proof. Its 50 50 mix of what you need.

Whiskey is slightly warmer so good for internal tonics to warm the internal energy.

Vodka or Ethanol is mostly used by many with incredible results.

[Warrior_Man]

After Dale's embarrassing failure to warn you of the side-effects of his last recommendation, I would strongly advise consulting a specialist before doing anything suggested on this forum.

[Dale Dugas]

It is rather disturbing that Warrior Man and others like him are allowed to post disinformation being totally dishonest about the content as well as intent.

I am licensed in the Commonwealth of Massachusetts as well as being Nationally Board Certified in Acupuncture and Chinese Herbal Medicine through the NCCAOM.

Who are you Warrior Man?

Where did you get your professional Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine training?

Where do you practice Acupuncture and Herbal Medicine?

Why is it you feel you can contradict someone who is both traditionally trained as well as professionally trained and Nationally Board Certified and State Licensed?

It is shameful for someone such as yourself to be doing these things.

[Warrior_Man]

Are you saying the information I have provided and verified here is incorrect?

Don't forget cupcake, you're the one who started this little feud with your pitiful attempts to be funny and undermine the teachings from my school. You claim to have graduated from those establishments, but a) the documents you posted to prove it were clearly fake and you removed them instantly when I raised this concern and b) you have provided dangerous advice to TAO YIN on here, particularly with reference to the She Chuang Zi.

I received my acupuncture, herb and martial training from my master, who taught me that She Chuang Zi (Cnidium) should never be used on sore or dry skin.

[Dale Dugas]

Ahh, you are again going with this fallacy that you are actually trained.

Unless you are professionally schooled and Board Certified, you are not what you claim to be.

All that you say is an agenda to mislead people.

I am sorry that you are doing these kinds of actions.

You will pay for these negative actions in the nine layers of hell. I will pray for your Hun and Po.

[Warrior_Man]

You haven't addressed anything I've stated cupcake. In your opinion, is the information I've provided thus far on herbs false?

[Dale Dugas]

You are spreading false information and lies.

Dishonesty and mistruths.

I will pray that your Hun and Po will be saved rather than going to the hell of you own making.

Nam Mu Myoho Renge Kyo.

[Dale Dugas]

I will pray that you will not become a 魂靈 when you pass from this realm to the underworld.

南無妙法蓮華經

[Warrior_Man]

Even in a double post Dale fails to answer my question - his qualifications aren't looking all that convincing now are they!?

I'll try again - In your opinion, is the information I've provided thus far on herbs false?

[rett]

Even in a double post Dale fails to answer my question - his qualifications aren't looking all that convincing now are they!?

I'll try again - In your opinion, is the information I've provided thus far on herbs false?

Anybody can google stuff and pretend to be an expert.

I followed your link. It agreed with Dale's recommendation.

Just sayin.

[Warrior_Man]

Anybody can google stuff and pretend to be an expert.

I followed your link. It agreed with Dale's recommendation.

Just sayin.

Then maybe you should learn to read? Just sayin.

"Safety: American Herbal Products Association has given cnidium a class I rating, meaning that it is safe when taken in appropriate levels. However, cnidium seeds should not be used for hot or sore skin that is excessively dry. They should not also be taken at the same time patients are taking peony root, croton seed or fritillaria." - from my link.

[Dale Dugas]

Warrior Man is not what he claims to be.

He does not know what 魂 is nor any of the other theories of Chinese Medicine.

If he did, he would have come out and explained that he did.

By his own admission he is not what he claims to be.

He is nothing but a lying dishonest soon to be hungry ghost.

I will pray for his 魂.

[Warrior_Man]

How do you know I didn't know that character? I do as it happens, so please stop referring to me as 'hun' - it's making you seem like you want to date me.

I'll try again for the third time - In your opinion, is the information I've provided thus far on herbs false?

[Dale Dugas]

You do not know what 魂 means. No backpeddling.

You were caught in that lie.

Lying and being dishonest about yourself has now d amned you to the hell of your own making.

Your 魂 is now d amned to eternity to wander as a hungry ghost.

See what your lies and dishonest actions have caused you?

I will pray for you.

南無妙法蓮華經

[Warrior_Man]

I do know what it means, sorry if you can't accept that. Some of us have actually studied oriental languages in Asia, but well done to you though for looking it up on an online dictionary.

I think you need to calm down man, just accept you were wrong on the medical advice and we can all chill. You're really not coming across well, trust me.

[Dale Dugas]

You are lying.

Everything you post is lies, and dishonesty.

You have broken all the rules of your own association as well as the Warriorship Code.

You do not read or write Chinese nor do you have any real knowledge of Chinese medicine.

You came here claiming much, but have been found to be nothing more than yet another hungry ghost who will burn in a hell of their own making.

I will pray for you.

南無妙法蓮華經

[Warrior_Man]

Another abstract and utterly meaningless post from the resident fortune cookie. I was born in China and speak Japanese, Chinese, French and English, but your false accusations don't go unnoticed. Where did you study Chinese Dale?

[rett]

Then maybe you should learn to read? Just sayin.

"Safety: American Herbal Products Association has given cnidium a class I rating, meaning that it is safe when taken in appropriate levels. However, cnidium seeds should not be used for hot or sore skin that is excessively dry. They should not also be taken at the same time patients are taking peony root, croton seed or fritillaria." - from my link.

Yeah I saw that.

Your link also says "Cnidium seeds are most commonly used to treat itchy skin, rashes, eczema and ringworm, typically in the genital area."

I'm no doctor, but from taking care of common household complaints with family and kids, I know that those symptoms don't have to be "excessively dry".

[Dale Dugas]

I will pray for you.

Why do you still keep lying to yourself and others?

If you spoke those languages you would have know what I was talking about and would have commented then.

Backpeddling is yet another sign your Hun is now lost and you have become a soul less hungry ghost.

I will pray for you.

南無妙法蓮華經

[Warrior_Man]

Doesn't this forum have a policy on spamming? Dale writes the same nonsense again and again unpunished.

[Dale Dugas]

I am not lying nor dishonest about who and what I am.

[Warrior_Man]

Nor am I - that isn't the issue I raised. Read my last post again.

[Lee Chiang Po]

**** Dale. Answer the question. It could not make you look more foolish than what you are doing right now.

As for Dit DA Jow. I used to use the stuff now and then, but except for drying and cracking my skin and making me itch, it did nothing as far as what it was said to do. So, as for my hands I found a product called Corn Husker's Lotion. That stuff contains a sweet substance called Glycerin and it worked wonders. Glycerin is an unstable substance and you can place it into a cold fridge and leave it over night, then pour a few drops on your hands and rub it and the stuff gets hot. It is microscopic explosions taking place on your skin. It gives extreme warmth and it penetrates the skin and thickens the skin and forms callous. I would use it before and after I worked with my hand training. I wrapped concrete blocks with berlap for striking with the fist and hand edge, and a box of course sand for the finger tips. All I wanted was to train my hands to maintain structure and shape on contact. I would not apply it until I was done each day. I would give it about an hour each afternoon, and the Corn Husker's would make it feel so good and prevented it from bruising and getting cracked and raw. You guys should give that a shot rather than using something that may or may not work for you.
I am not certified to treat anyone else, but I do some accupuncture. I was taught how to do certain things by someone that was 50 years into TCM. I used to be able to buy needles but now they sell only to licensed practitioners.

[EternalSpring]

^^^^ I dont get it. I'm no expert myself, but doesn't glycerin actually make the skin softer and somewhat fight callouses from forming? I'm pretty sure that some people even use it for their lips.

[TAO YIN]

So is She Chuang Zi bad for the skin or not? In small doses, does it work to negate an allergic reaction that might occur...that is depending on the different ingredients in any given formula? Some formulas have Castor beans in them...

Thank you all for your input. I hope that we might get along and define some excellent information here. Come on; it's the holidays! You two guys having your argument would be much more constructive if you were actually having your argument about the different herbs' and formulas' usages, indications, contraindications, and the like, rather than certifications.

I have been studying herbs for some time, making my own jows, oils, pastes, and that. I am just now starting to really understand and remember a lot of their different names, their proprieties, what to look for in them before grinding, importance of their weights and how their weights cause different reactions within formulas, and etc. What a fascinating science to study.

Cheers,

Tao

[Dale Dugas]

She Chuang Zi is safe for internal and external use for skin issues and fungal infections.

Do not listen to these fools who are neither Board Certified nor Licensed in Chinese Herbal Medicine and Acupuncture.

SCZ is used in many of the more powerful dit da jow formulas used in Iron Palm as the herbs are so strong they irritate the skin.

[Warrior_Man]

She Chuang Zi is safe for internal and external use for skin issues and fungal infections.

Do not listen to these fools who are neither Board Certified nor Licensed in Chinese Herbal Medicine and Acupuncture.

SCZ is used in many of the more powerful dit da jow formulas used in Iron Palm as the herbs are so strong they irritate the skin.

I may not have a bootleg qualification from the Alabama McBoard of Mouthherbing, but I can tell you from my own training that need to be careful when using this particular herb. Don't take it from me though - take a look at this website: http://www.herbpalace.com/herbs/cnidium-seed.html

Dale still hasn't answered the question I posed to him - it's beginning to make you look like a real charlatan cupcake.

[Drake]

Dale posts his full name and credentials, is fully licensed, has a degree, holds workshops, and has his own business.

"Warrior Man" might as well be a collection of electrons hiding the useless anger of a fat, insecure child who hides behind his screen and a ridiculous moniker.

Gee... I wonder who I'd go to for advice in this area?

Congrats for learning "oriental languages", fraudulent child. Ganbatte kudasai.

[rett]

take someone like bawang

He writes crude pointed obnoxious insulting posts. But there's something about them. I always look forward to reading his stuff because its funny and he makes genuine points behind all the posturing.

"Pacifist_Lesbian" here could learn a lot from bawang. As it is, he's just about taking repetitive cheap digs at whoever he things will take the bait.

btw, I mean no offense to pacifists or lesbians. I aspire to pacifism and have some very friendly lesbian neighbors.

[Drake]

take someone like bawang

He writes crude pointed obnoxious insulting posts. But there's something about them. I always look forward to reading his stuff because its funny and he makes genuine points behind all the posturing.

"Pacifist_Lesbian" here could learn a lot from bawang. As it is, he's just about taking repetitive cheap digs at whoever he things will take the bait.

btw, I mean no offense to pacifists or lesbians. I aspire to pacifism and have some very friendly lesbian neighbors.

Bawang has great wisdom. He speaks the truth so clearly that it hurts most weak people.

[Warrior_Man]

Dale posts his full name and credentials, is fully licensed, has a degree, holds workshops, and has his own business.

"Warrior Man" might as well be a collection of electrons hiding the useless anger of a fat, insecure child who hides behind his screen and a ridiculous moniker.

Gee... I wonder who I'd go to for advice in this area?

Congrats for learning "oriental languages", fraudulent child. Ganbatte kudasai.

The difference is I'm right. Unless you do your research and think before you type, YOU are the one who looks like a child. Well done for learning one of the most basic Japanese expressions though.

Ashida Kim is fully licensed, has a degree, holds workshops, and has his own business. Your point amounts to nothing. My advice on herbs however is correct - look it up.

[Drake]

ashida kim is fully licensed, has a degree, holds workshops, and has his own business..

I'm trying not to laugh here, but... I'm laughing.

[Lee Chiang Po]

^^^^ I dont get it. I'm no expert myself, but doesn't glycerin actually make the skin softer and somewhat fight callouses from forming? I'm pretty sure that some people even use it for their lips.

If you simply apply it to your hands or lips it will soften them. It is a form of sugar I think, but it is also very unstable. That is why it can be turned into a powerful explosive. Under different circumstances, like working hard with the hands, the skin thickens and forms what appears to be heavy callous. The skin seems also remain fairly soft even at that. It has nothing at all to do with TCM, but it does a really good job on the hands that are doing martial training.

[EternalSpring]

If you simply apply it to your hands or lips it will soften them. It is a form of sugar I think, but it is also very unstable. That is why it can be turned into a powerful explosive. Under different circumstances, like working hard with the hands, the skin thickens and forms what appears to be heavy callous. The skin seems also remain fairly soft even at that. It has nothing at all to do with TCM, but it does a really good job on the hands that are doing martial training.

oh wow, i never thought of it like that. good to know!

[Warrior_Man]

I'm trying not to laugh here, but... I'm laughing.

Owned! Anyone can do seminars - it doesn't mean they have the goods.

[Drake]

Owned! Anyone can do seminars - it doesn't mean they have the goods.

Your words mean so much.

Have you death gouged another innocent commuter on your path to enlightenment, or are you still pwning wild cats by staring them in the eye?

[Warrior_Man]

Your words mean so much.

Have you death gouged another innocent commuter on your path to enlightenment, or are you still pwning wild cats by staring them in the eye?

Well my words on herbs happen to be right, so yes, they do mean so much. If you'd rather see action, you are welcome to visit me.

[rett]

"Words on Herbs"

Sounds like an old Jackie Chan movie.

[Warrior_Man]

An attempt to be funny in order to take attention off the fact I am right?

[Faruq]

Well my words on herbs happen to be right, so yes, they do mean so much. If you'd rather see action, you are welcome to visit me.

But you never gave him the address of your kwoon, Warrior Man Sifu?...

[Warrior_Man]

I don't have a kwoon as I'm not currently teaching classes. I accept private students though if you're interested?

[rett]

I don't have a kwoon as I'm not currently teaching classes. I accept private students though if you're interested?

I might have been interested, but then Minghequan showed how you ridicule people with special needs. That's not okay man, not in anybody's book.

[Warrior_Man]

I might have been interested, but then Minghequan showed how you ridicule people with special needs. That's not okay man, not in anybody's book.

This is the third time you've accused me of this and the third time you've failed to cite an example. It's getting kind of desperate man - I think it's probably time to cut your losses...

[Dale Dugas]

She Chuang Zi (Cnidium) should never be used on sore or dry skin, something Dale failed to mention. For this reason, I would strongly advise consulting someone with actual credentials and experience regarding Dit Da Jow as improper use can lead to serious injury.

Just in case this nutbag tries to edit.

[Dale Dugas]

Stop mouthherbing cupcake. TAO YIN, I was taught by my master, but take a look at this website if you need further information on this clearly misunderstood seed - http://www.herbpalace.com/herbs/cnidium-seed.html

Just in case the nutbag tries to edit

[Warrior_Man]

Just in case this nutbag tries to edit.

Edit what?

[Dale Dugas]

I train a lot like MMA guys, just in a traditional way.


Just in case the nutbag tries to edit

[Dale Dugas]

After Dale's embarrassing failure to warn you of the side-effects of his last recommendation, I would strongly advise consulting a specialist before doing anything suggested on this forum.


Just in case the nutbag tries to edit

[Dale Dugas]

Are you saying the information I have provided and verified here is incorrect?

Don't forget cupcake, you're the one who started this little feud with your pitiful attempts to be funny and undermine the teachings from my school. You claim to have graduated from those establishments, but a) the documents you posted to prove it were clearly fake and you removed them instantly when I raised this concern and b) you have provided dangerous advice to TAO YIN on here, particularly with reference to the She Chuang Zi.

I received my acupuncture, herb and martial training from my master, who taught me that She Chuang Zi (Cnidium) should never be used on sore or dry skin.


Just in case the nutbag tries to edit

[Warrior_Man]

Just in case the nutbag tries to edit

Dale, could you stop posting the same comment again and again? I think this is known as 'spamming'.

[Dale Dugas]

I do know what it means, sorry if you can't accept that. Some of us have actually studied oriental languages in Asia, but well done to you though for looking it up on an online dictionary.

I think you need to calm down man, just accept you were wrong on the medical advice and we can all chill. You're really not coming across well, trust me.


Just in case the nutbag tries to edit

[Dale Dugas]

Another abstract and utterly meaningless post from the resident fortune cookie. I was born in China and speak Japanese, Chinese, French and English, but your false accusations don't go unnoticed. Where did you study Chinese Dale?

Just in case the nutbag tries to edit

[Dale Dugas]

I may not have a bootleg qualification from the Alabama McBoard of Mouthherbing, but I can tell you from my own training that need to be careful when using this particular herb. Don't take it from me though - take a look at this website: http://www.herbpalace.com/herbs/cnidium-seed.html

Dale still hasn't answered the question I posed to him - it's beginning to make you look like a real charlatan cupcake.


Just in case the nutbag tries to edit

[Dale Dugas]

Well my words on herbs happen to be right, so yes, they do mean so much. If you'd rather see action, you are welcome to visit me.

Just in case the nutbag tries to edit

[Warrior_Man]

Just in case the nutbag tries to edit

Man this is making you look sort of desperate. Cut your losses and bow out - you're really looking like a sore loser and it's not cool.

[Drake]

Man this is making you look sort of desperate. Cut your losses and bow out - you're really looking like a sore loser and it's not cool.

Wow... you don't even realize that you are the laughingstock of the board, that the mods haven't banned you yet simply out of entertainment value, or that you and your IP-spoofing alter ego are basically irritating everyone here, across the board?

[taai gihk yahn]

Warrior_Man - what evidence do you have to support your assertion that's Dale's credentials are fraudulent?

[sanjuro_ronin]

The issue seems to be this:
Dale said:

Some people develop a form of contact dermatitis to Dit Da Jow and cannot use it.

You can add Er Cha 30 grams or She Chuang Zi 30 grams to help deal with the allergic type reactions to medicines.
WM said:

She Chuang Zi (Cnidium) should never be used on sore or dry skin, something Dale failed to mention. For this reason, I would strongly advise consulting someone with actual credentials and experience regarding Dit Da Jow as improper use can lead to serious injury.
WHich has NOTHING to do with what Dale said since Dale was talking about allergic reactions to medicines and NOT dry or sore skin.
To which Dale replies:

Anytime you want to post up your Chinese medical credentials over my own. Please feel free to do so.

Until then you are nothing that you claim you are.

Please do not listen to anything this person says. He is untrained and unlicensed in Chinese herbs.

To which WM replies:

Stop mouthherbing cupcake. TAO YIN, I was taught by my master, but take a look at this website if you need further information on this clearly misunderstood seed - http://www.herbpalace.com/herbs/cnidium-seed.html

The link of course says:

Cnidium seeds are most commonly used to treat itchy skin, rashes, eczema and ringworm, typically in the genital area. These conditions are treated by grinding cnidium seeds with water into a solution and applying to the skin. Cnidium seeds are also taken internally to treat vaginal discharges and/or increase sexual potency. Cnidium is often combined with herbs such as cuscuta and schisandra to treat infertility and impotence; in many classical traditional Chinese medicine texts, cnidium is used as a form of aphrodisiac.

The operative part in the context of what Dale said is:

Cnidium seeds are most commonly used to treat itchy skin, rashes, eczema and ringworm,

And the silliness went on from there.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Warrior_Man - what evidence do you have to support your assertion that's Dale's credentials are fraudulent?

None since we all know Dale and Dale is a practicing TCM practitioner with official credentials that he makes available to all.

[rett]

Are you saying the information I have provided and verified here is incorrect?

Don't forget cupcake, you're the one who started this little feud with your pitiful attempts to be funny and undermine the teachings from my school. You claim to have graduated from those establishments, but a) the documents you posted to prove it were clearly fake and you removed them instantly when I raised this concern and b) you have provided dangerous advice to TAO YIN on here, particularly with reference to the She Chuang Zi.

I received my acupuncture, herb and martial training from my master, who taught me that She Chuang Zi (Cnidium) should never be used on sore or dry skin.

There are some similar statements scattered about, including one in which Warrior_Man calls Dale a "fraud".

This is beyond trolling. It's illegal. Being in France is no protection. Not owning enough assets to be worth the trouble is probably the best defence this "Warrior Man" will ever have.

[sanjuro_ronin]

There are some similar statements scattered about, including one in which Warrior_Man calls Dale a "fraud".

This is beyond trolling. It's illegal. Being in France is no protection. Not owning enough assets to be worth the trouble is probably the best defence this "Warrior Man" will ever have.

Actually, I missed that.
Yes, this is a serious allegation.

[Dale Dugas]

http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv155/Boston_Baguazhang/EditedAcuLicense.jpg

This is the document that I added and then removed as it had my license number on it.

You can check it out all you want. It has not been photoshopped.

I am no fraud.

And I do not take kindly to being called such.

[Dale Dugas]

I may not have a bootleg qualification from the Alabama McBoard of Mouthherbing, but I can tell you from my own training that need to be careful when using this particular herb. Don't take it from me though - take a look at this website: http://www.herbpalace.com/herbs/cnidium-seed.html

Dale still hasn't answered the question I posed to him - it's beginning to make you look like a real charlatan cupcake.


Paul, Here is one post where he says I have a bootleg qualification as well as a charlatan.


nice coming from a netghost.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Paul, Here is one post where he says I have a bootleg qualification as well as a charlatan.


nice coming from a netghost.

Its being addressed.

[Dale Dugas]

http://forum.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64923&page=3

this is for the record, as if you read his post about half way down the page, he calls me a fraud.

[rett]

Here's the post where "Warrior Man" calls Dale a fraud:

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1200281&postcount=43

Edit: you beat me to it.

[rett]

I'd say it's time to go mediaeval on a certain I.P. address.

edit: I don't mean anything illegal

[Dale Dugas]

Thank you for the link, Rett.

[rett]

No prob. If some anonymous idiot attacked my livelihood with lies like that I'd be furious.

[Warrior_Man]

What lies? What law have I broken when I state I consider people like Ashida Kim and Dale to be frauds?

Ps. Do I need to bring up Dale's bagua lineage?

[Dale Dugas]

What lies? What law have I broken when I state I consider people like Ashida Kim and Dale to be frauds?

Ps. Do I need to bring up Dale's bagua lineage?


I am not a fraud.

Calling me one is illegal.

As I can back up everything I say with actions, as well as credentials.

You cannot, as you are nothing but a made up persona.

[taai gihk yahn]

What lies? What law have I broken when I state I consider people like Ashida Kim and Dale to be frauds?

Ps. Do I need to bring up Dale's bagua lineage?

You stated the licensure credentials he posted were not legit; again I ask you on what basis do u make this assertion?

[Warrior_Man]

You stated the licensure credentials he posted were not legit; again I ask you on what basis do u make this assertion?

Again, nobody can actually cite the law. I can withdraw this statement if you're going to keep on crying about it, but you all know what I think.

Can we get back to the topic please?

[Dale Dugas]

Backpeddling and flip flopping.

Can we get a ban yet?

[taai gihk yahn]

Again, nobody can actually cite the law. I can withdraw this statement if you're going to keep on crying about it, but you all know what I think.

Can we get back to the topic please?

Please do not try reframing, it's primative.

It's not a question of legality, and it doesn't matter if you withdraw the statement, because you already made it; I'm not crying about, I'm genuinely curious;

So again I ask: you claimed Dale's credentials as a licensed acupuncturist were, in your estimation, fraudulent; what was your basis for this claim and what evidence do u hav to support this?

Can't be more simply put...

[Dale Dugas]

http://i679.photobucket.com/albums/vv155/Boston_Baguazhang/EditedAcuLicense.jpg


Here is a copy of my acupuncture license and my drivers license. The scan not been tampered with.

We all know who the fraud is here in this situation and they should not be able to call me that while hiding.

[Drake]

Dale,
Everyone knows you are legit. It's ok.

[Dale Dugas]

Always have to CYA. Cover Your An us.

[Syn7]

Dale,
Everyone knows you are legit. It's ok.

Nah, I don't think he's for real.

Prove it!