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[MasterKiller]

Chinese Martial Arts.

I think this is a clear statement. And it's not written in French, which is always a plus, especially if you don't have a Queen.

Do you guys like Chinese Martial Arts? Boy, I sure do!

[David Jamieson]

Yes. I enjoy Chinese martial arts.

I have been practicing them for the better part of my life.
At near 50 years old now, it has been an awesome journey and I've met a lot of great people.

What style of Chinese Martial arts do you practice anyway?

I practice Bak Sil Lum and Sil Lum Black Tiger as well as some more esoteric side practices.

[Dale Dugas]

LMAO.

Well I like Chinese martial arts.

[MasterKiller]

I practice Northern Long Fist. It's a great style. When I bow, it's a salute of respect, not a sign of subjugation to a Queen. I think that makes it special.

Kung Fu also has pandas. Did you guys know that? I read it on Wikipedia.

[David Jamieson]

Subjugation to a queen eh?

ok then...:rolleyes:

you do realize there are different topic sections here and in actuality, your thread here is EXACTLY what this particular forum is for.

Good choice!

[MasterKiller]

Subjugation to a queen eh?

ok then...:rolleyes:

That's why Chinese Martial Arts are great! Just like in Executioners from Shaolin, they teach us to resist oppressive dictators who use totalitaran tactics!

[David Jamieson]

That's why Chinese Martial Arts are great! Just like in Executioners from Shaolin, they teach us to resist oppressive dictators who use totalitaran tactics!

Such as? I mean, exactly who is it that needs to be resisted?

[MasterKiller]

We are lucky to have such a flagship forum dedicated to discussing the mutilation and murder of other human beings! In a family atmosphere, of course!

And child rape. That's a popular thread, too. But Kung Fu prevails because those are bad guys! And they got busted! HAHAHAHA. Good thing Kung Fu teaches us to resist evil, otherwise some of you might in that thread!

Don't you agree???

[MasterKiller]

Such as? I mean, exactly who is it that needs to be resisted?

Bad guys, of course! Who didn't learn the proper lessons from their Sifus! HAHAHA. Maybe those Sifus didn't learn properly, either! They only studied VHS tapes and passed on bad lessons! Like Jade Fox in Crouching Tiger! HAHAHAHAHA!

But Kung Fu always prevails! Just don't drink like Sam Seed! Drunken Kung Fu might get you listed with the child rapists! HAHAHAHA!

[David Jamieson]

We are lucky to have such a flagship forum dedicated to discussing the mutilation and murder of other human beings! In a family atmosphere, of course!

And child rape. That's a popular thread, too. But Kung Fu prevails because those are bad guys! And they got busted! HAHAHAHA. Good thing Kung Fu teaches us to resist evil, otherwise some of you might in that thread!

Don't you agree???

Agree with what? You want a tissue for your issue?
You're taking it up with the wrong guy.
If you got a problem with it, you know who to talk to and how.
Would you like me to talk to the chief for you seeing as you seem to think it's better to just aggro on me all day. I mean I could if you like.

[MasterKiller]

Agree with what? You want a tissue for your issue?
You're taking it up with the wrong guy.
If you got a problem with it, you know who to talk to and how.

You are confusing me, Monsieur! This is a kung fu discussion!

What's the best way to rip eye balls out? Or crush testicles? Keep it clean! Women and children read this forum!!

[David Jamieson]

You are confusing me, Monsieur! This is a kung fu discussion!

What's the best way to rip eye balls out? Or crush testicles? Keep it clean! Women and children read this forum!!

Yeah, well....

What would you like to discuss about Kung Fu?

We could talk about the other limbs which have little to do with making violence on others.

For instance, we could talk about Iron Palm practice, Iron Body or even what are the merits of backflips.
Alternately, we could discuss meditation and mindfulness and how to contain the ego so that we can approach circumstance in a calm and even manner with a clear perspective.

Or we could talk about Lion Dance or Dragon dance and how that effects your kung fu practice in the long run.

Weapons is another great topic. Swordplay in particular is of interest to the Kung Fu person.

There is so much to discuss, it doesn't need to be harsh or sexual at all. there's also a whole line of discussion regarding the history of these disciplines and practices associated to Chinese Martial Arts. Not to mention the religio-philosophy aspects of it including Buddhism or Taoism or Mohism.

We could discuss all these things and gain greater understanding of the styles we each practice an the depth and breadth of their study.

whether an art is limited to simple pugilism or if it is about whole person development. Chinese martial arts certainly addresses both.

[MasterKiller]

Yeah, well....

What would you like to discuss about Kung Fu?.

I believe I already asked about proper methods for crushing testicles and ripping out eye balls! Should I phrase it like so?

Quelle est la meilleure façon de ripper des globes oculaires?

Then who would understand? HAHAHAHAHA! We speak American!

[David Jamieson]

I believe I already asked about proper methods for crushing testicles and ripping out eye balls! Should I phrase it like so?

Quelle est la meilleure façon de ripper des globes oculaires?

Then who would understand? HAHAHAHAHA! We speak American!

Well, there is no such language as "american" You speak English.
Secondly, what methods for attacking soft targets are you unclear on? Were you trained improperly by hippies or something that didn't know about these targets?

[MasterKiller]

Well, there is no such language as "american" You speak English.
Secondly, what methods for attacking soft targets are you unclear on? Weer you trained improperly by hippies or something that didn't know about these targets?

True! You have a firm grasp of the Queen's English!

HAHAHAHA! No, my teacher wasn't one of those VHS Sifus! But what if!??! LOL!

When you rip a grown man's testicles clean from his body, and his clothes are then drenched with the blood from his leaking scrotum, are there any Chin Na applications useful for not losing your grip on him?

Boy! I hope kids don't do that in a school yard. We would have a whole generation of eunuchs walking around! HAHAHHAAH!

[David Jamieson]

True! You have a firm grasp of the Queen's English!

HAHAHAHA! No, my teacher wasn't one of those VHS Sifus! But what if!??! LOL!

When you rip a grown man's testicles clean from his body, and his clothes are then drenched with the blood from his leaking scrotum, are there any Chin Na applications useful for not losing your grip on him?

Boy! I hope kids don't do that in a school yard. We would have a whole generation of eunuchs walking around! HAHAHHAAH!

So, why don't you tell us all what's bugging you Masterkiller.
You seem to have a lot of emotional issues today that you want to air in public.


Kinda weird coming from you. Bad day? Night?

[MasterKiller]

So, why don't you tell us all what's bugging you Masterkiller.
You seem to have a lot of emotional issues today that you want to air in public.


Kinda weird coming from you. Bad day? Night?

Monseiur, I am merely delighted to discuss Kung Fu in a family friendly atmosphere free of oppression and tyranny!

I appreciate your concern! But like the French say, "Je n'ai pas à m'expliquer avec vous" or something like that! LOL!!! I have no idea what I just said! I don't have a Queen!

[GeneChing]

Naaaaah, those booty shots were too signature.

Maybe MK answered Lucas's challenge at the Space Needle (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64879)?

The forum has been in a weird zone for a while - I blame the season and the coming apocalypse (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64922). I saw the Hobbit (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59837) last night, so I'm going to let y'all sort it out and head back to the Shire.

[MasterKiller]

Naaaaah, those booty shots were too signature.

Maybe MK answered Lucas's challenge at the Space Needle (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64879)?

The forum has been in a weird zone for a while - I blame the season and the coming apocalypse (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64922). I saw the Hobbit (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59837) last night, so I'm going to let y'all sort it out and head back to the Shire.

When you dig your fingers into the eye sockets of another man, do you think it tickles his brain? LOL!!!

[Drake]

The French didn't give it away?

[David Jamieson]

Naaaaah, those booty shots were too signature.

Maybe MK answered Lucas's challenge at the Space Needle (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64879)?

The forum has been in a weird zone for a while - I blame the season and the coming apocalypse (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=64922). I saw the Hobbit (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?t=59837) last night, so I'm going to let y'all sort it out and head back to the Shire.

Weird zone...yeah, you could say that.

[Dale Dugas]

Im sorry but all of a sudden he starts acting and talking like other trolls?

I would be nervous.

[MasterKiller]

The French didn't give it away?

No, but they probably dropped it and ran in the other direction! LOL! At least Savate produces solid Can-Can girls!!! But with no testicle ripping, it's not Kung Fu! HAHAHAHA!

[Dale Dugas]

I scared.

MK has gone off the deep end.

The end is near.

[Drake]

No, but they probably dropped it and ran in the other direction! LOL! At least Savate produces solid Can-Can girls!!! But with no testicle ripping, it's not Kung Fu! HAHAHAHA!

Gene... you may want to quarantine this. Sooner is better than later.

[Drake]

Quarantine and delete the mess, would be an optimal solution.

[MasterKiller]

Im sorry but all of a sudden he starts acting and talking like other trolls?

I would be nervous.

Dale, you are a seasoned Kung Fu veteran. Would you like to expound upon ways to condition one's ears for the cracking of bones and ligaments when they are twisted from their joints? Or perhaps you could discuss proper methods to wrench a man's ears from the sides of his head!

These are kung fu topics!

[MasterKiller]

Quarantine and delete the mess, would be an optimal solution.


your thread here is EXACTLY what this particular forum is for.

Good choice!

A Mod disagrees!

[David Jamieson]

Dale, you are a seasoned Kung Fu veteran. Would you like to expound upon ways to condition one's ears for the cracking of bones and ligaments when they are twisted from their joints? Or perhaps you could discuss proper methods to wrench a man's ears from the sides of his head!

These are kung fu topics!

Ears takes about 15 lb psi to tear from someones head. It really doesn't take much effort so much as it takes know how, such as where to grip and which way to pull.

This is pretty common knowledge and isn't exactly a Kung Fu topic but in martial arts, fighting is dirty, so fight dirty is an axiom.

Unless you're into sport, then it seems to be about pretending you have no ego, you are humble etc etc, an then acting entirely the opposite of that. :p

[David Jamieson]

A Mod disagrees!

The point is that you are the mess.
We don't know why.
You are being weird.
But meh. We can still talk Kung Fu, but I'll let you figure out how to fondle and harm peoples junk on your own.

If you have a real question about making violence and using chinese martial arts to do so, I can certainly try to help you understand.

[MasterKiller]

Ears takes about 15 lb psi to tear from someones head. It really doesn't take much effort so much as it takes know how, such as where to grip and which way to pull. Yes! An insightful discussion of Kung Fu tactics, indeed! Thank you, Monsieur! I'm sure others will elucidate the point further.


This is pretty common knowledge and isn't exactly a Kung Fu topic but in martial arts, fighting is dirty, so fight dirty is an axiom. Certainly not a topic for the strip mall crowd, indeed! Which is why this forum is awesome. Being open to all topics that involve Chinese Martial Arts! Not just the sanitary ones!


Unless you're into sport, then it seems to be about pretending you have no ego, you are humble etc etc, an then acting entirely the opposite of that. :p Like those dirty Savate kickers! I agree!

[bawang]

did i miss something

[MasterKiller]

did i miss something

Bawang,
Do the Chinese women still collect the heads of fallen enemies and mummify them as trophies?

Imagine if you told that story to a kid! The nightmares!

[Dale Dugas]

not funny.

not at all.

[David Jamieson]

did i miss something

The whole morning dude. :p

[MasterKiller]

Stop going Off Topic! This is a Kung Fu thread!

[David Jamieson]

Stop going Off Topic! This is a Kung Fu thread!

Maybe you could move it to the off topic if it goes off topic?

[MasterKiller]

Maybe you could move it to the off topic if it goes off topic?

Others will unquestionably ensure that happens! LOL! So let's keep it on topic!

[bawang]

i like kung fu, it is very good.

[MasterKiller]

i like kung fu, it is very good.

I like it, too! Let's discuss it!

[bawang]

i think kung fu very cool guy. they do forms and not afraid anything

does anyone know how to counter a hook punch using cloud hands

[MasterKiller]

i think kung fu very cool guy. they do forms and not afraid anything

does anyone know how to counter a hook punch using cloud hands

Excellent topic, sir! Hopefully, other kung fu enthusiasts will chime in.

[bawang]

does anyone wanna buy my dit da jow for 50$, i googled the formula and took 5$ to make

or cardboard cutout oriental signboards

[MasterKiller]

does anyone wanna buy my dit da jow for 50$, i googled the formula and took 5$ to make

or cardboard cutout oriental signboards

Those are also valid Kung Fu topics! Your mind is flowing like blood from the testicles of an enemy that were ripped from his loins using Eagle Claw hand formations!

[Lebaufist]

Kung Fu Chicks?!?!?!http://feckingfunny.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/kung-fu-girl-do-spliting.jpg

[Lebaufist]

http://placemarkone.com/kung_fu_girl.png

[Lebaufist]

http://jokeslab.com/jokes/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/kung-fu-girl-in-bed-room-400x577.jpg

[Lebaufist]

http://img84.imageshack.us/img84/4690/brucekungfugirlsco0.jpg

[GeneChing]

Stealing an MK move no less (although not quite as booty-full). :D

[Lebaufist]

I like um lean.

[Lebaufist]

http://www.newsweird.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/10/girls-kung-fu-work-out-in-rain.png

[Lebaufist]

http://kungfusweden.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/kung-fu-woman.gif

[MasterKiller]

http://kungfusweden.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/kung-fu-woman.gif

This is a very good demonstration of Iron Body! Good find!

[GeneChing]

Because I often feel like that.

[Lebaufist]

Because I often feel like that.I think its a Japanese Botox commercial.

[MasterKiller]

Because I often feel like that.

What do you think this is, some Korean Tae Kwon Do thread?

Only Kung Fu translations in here!

[David Jamieson]

What do you think this is, some Korean Tae Kwon Do thread?

Only Kung Fu translations in here!

Only Kung Fu you say? Excellent I can't wait to get started. :)

[Lebaufist]

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/images/ezine/DOA-girlfightinrain.jpgCQC

[MasterKiller]

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/images/ezine/DOA-girlfightinrain.jpgCQC

Interdasting choke hold. Choking without choking! I'll allow it!

[Lebaufist]

WTH!!? yOU GOT RID OF MADAME WANG?!?!?! With Chiu Chi Ling in the background?!?! sacrilege!!!

[mooyingmantis]

Because I often feel like that.

"Got Qi?" :):confused::eek::rolleyes::cool::D

[Lebaufist]

HA! Touch Angela Mau....if...you...dare.....
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8i3mrxPMH1qzafsno1_400.jpg

[rett]

http://goodtaste.ae/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/gt4-Quirky-news-karate.jpg

[Lebaufist]

http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc6/c89.26.323.323/s160x160/167952_170916432946257_2363834_n.jpg

If this is wrong, I don't want to be right............

[MasterKiller]

I certainly hope someone is reporting Lebaufist to the proper authorities for derailing this Kung Fu discussion with Kung Fu pictures.

[Lebaufist]

But but but, its kung fuuuuuuuuuuuuu.............. :(

[rett]

I certainly hope someone is reporting Lebaufist to the proper authorities for derailing this Kung Fu discussion with Kung Fu pictures.

Oh is THAT what this is about?

[JamesC]

Oh is THAT what this is about?

He's making a point.

Although, at this point, it has probably been driven home well enough lol

[rett]

He's making a point.

Although, at this point, it has probably been driven home well enough lol

So maybe it's too late to post Swedish Bikini Team pics?

[MasterKiller]

So maybe it's too late to post Swedish Bikini Team pics?

Always the bridesmaid, I'm afraid.

[rett]

I'm married. That's why I barely dare look at the backflip thread.

[MasterKiller]

I'm married. That's why I barely dare look at the backflip thread.

Au contraire, Monsieur. That's precisely why you SHOULD look at it.

Your wife will appreciate the IRON BODY benefits it provides you!

[RenDaHai]

France doesn't have a Queen

[wenshu]

http://i.imgur.com/8kfAq.jpg

[MasterKiller]

France doesn't have a Queen

But some French speakers do!

[David Jamieson]

I'm cool with the Queen. At least she's a real Queen, on the money and stuff and not some drama queen(s), like congress. :p

[Syn7]

I wonder what would happen if the Queen exercised her right to not sign off on a bill? Not that they ever would. I think that would pretty much end her reign in Canada. She's an old icon with little contemporary relevance. A formality at this point. And because of our relationship with Ma Britain, we respectfully let it slide. Better than Uncle Sam, at any rate. I'll take a constitutional monarchy and federal parliamentary democracy over a somewhat democratized republic any day! Living icons do serve a purpose. It's just not as relevant HERE as it was and is/was elsewhere.

[Kellen Bassette]

Ears takes about 15 lb psi to tear from someones head. It really doesn't take much effort so much as it takes know how, such as where to grip and which way to pull.

This is pretty common knowledge and isn't exactly a Kung Fu topic but in martial arts, fighting is dirty, so fight dirty is an axiom.


I've always wondered..who comes up with these numbers and how? I'm always hearing X amount pounds of pressure to break a knee, an elbow, whatever...different number from everyone...who measures them? What methods do they use to determine this? Is there anything scientific to it at all? Is there a lab where martial artists come to test techniques on inmates of for profit prisons while guys in lab coats tape monitors to soon to be broken joints?

How many pounds of pressure to a pull a thread out of its' collective anus??? :confused:

[Syn7]

It's from Deadliest Warrior! Sports science is fun!



Seriously tho, I imagine it is either an extrapolation from various data sets or an analogue was used, like in the sports science shows.

[Kellen Bassette]

It's from Deadliest Warrior! Sports science is fun!



Seriously tho, I imagine it is either an extrapolation from various data sets or an analogue was used, like in the sports science shows.

Well they've been quoting these numbers long before any of the cable sports/science shows came around...I'd just like to know if there was ever a real study done or someone with a bit of background said, "this sounds about right."

[Syn7]

The deadliest warrior thing was a joke. They have been testing various things on analogues for years.

[Lucas]

The King is dead. Long live the King!

[wenshu]

Can we go back to discussing racism? All this talk about monarchs and Romance languages is setting me on edge.

[Syn7]

So why was the racism thread locked again?

[MasterKiller]

So why was the racism thread locked again?

Because this ain't the place. *posts pics of asses and titties*

[Syn7]

There was no animosity or rancor in the thread. It was pretty civil as far as KFM goes. Who cares if it's controversial. Controversial is good.

[David Jamieson]

I've always wondered..who comes up with these numbers and how? I'm always hearing X amount pounds of pressure to break a knee, an elbow, whatever...different number from everyone...who measures them? What methods do they use to determine this? Is there anything scientific to it at all? Is there a lab where martial artists come to test techniques on inmates of for profit prisons while guys in lab coats tape monitors to soon to be broken joints?

How many pounds of pressure to a pull a thread out of its' collective anus??? :confused:

The material at hand, the strength of it, a little math and thousands of years of human existence has taught us what it takes to really hurt someone. :)

[Raipizo]

All they do is put the bones under a press, under constant pressure to see its breaking point. Saw it on a femur on some show before. For jerking or tearing motions, I don't know how they measure that.

[RenDaHai]

All they do is put the bones under a press, under constant pressure to see its breaking point. Saw it on a femur on some show before. For jerking or tearing motions, I don't know how they measure that.

When it is surrounded by tensing tissue and pumping blood and when the bone is still 'alive' its going to be a dramatically different result.

I think it would be impossible to measure without some serious break of scientific ethics.

[Syn7]

Analogues!!!



We have all the data we need to create very realistic models. After that you just let the senors do their job. I work with them all the time. They are easy, accurate, and for the most part inexpensive.
You don't need to tear somebodies ear off to figure out how much force is needed to pull it off. We can easily find out the range.


We can also use these datasets to create virtual simulations. A lil math and you're golden! It's VERY accurate these days.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Years ago I was involved a study that compared strike force of various MA.
It was for a study on protective gear.
We had to hit HB, dummies, force plates and a sparring partner.
All of them were hooked up with sensors to evaluate median and peak impact force ( not psi which gives a less than ideal reading for high velocity impacts).
There are also studies done on cadavers to see how much force is need to break bones, necks, ribs, things like that, for the automotive industry so they can design better protection for drives and passengers.

Some of the values thrown around come from those automotive studies on cadavers and crash dummies with sensors BUT a lot of them are just "made up" crap to be honest.

[Raipizo]

When it is surrounded by tensing tissue and pumping blood and when the bone is still 'alive' its going to be a dramatically different result.

I think it would be impossible to measure without some serious break of scientific ethics.

Ren you shall be the first subject, let me go grab my sledgehammer.

[Kellen Bassette]

Years ago I was involved a study that compared strike force of various MA.
It was for a study on protective gear.
We had to hit HB, dummies, force plates and a sparring partner.
All of them were hooked up with sensors to evaluate median and peak impact force ( not psi which gives a less than ideal reading for high velocity impacts).
There are also studies done on cadavers to see how much force is need to break bones, necks, ribs, things like that, for the automotive industry so they can design better protection for drives and passengers.

Some of the values thrown around come from those automotive studies on cadavers and crash dummies with sensors BUT a lot of them are just "made up" crap to be honest.

By any chance did you go through your own personal arsenal of kicks to see which were the strongest? I would love to do that...I'd always like to compare my crosses, hooks and uppercuts that way..

[David Jamieson]

By any chance did you go through your own personal arsenal of kicks to see which were the strongest? I would love to do that...I'd always like to compare my crosses, hooks and uppercuts that way..

You can do this. You can probably feel it out on devices like a heavy bag and such. If you want the actual measurements you might wanna try a night course in applied physics and get access to the measurement systems. :)

[sanjuro_ronin]

By any chance did you go through your own personal arsenal of kicks to see which were the strongest? I would love to do that...I'd always like to compare my crosses, hooks and uppercuts that way..

Yep, funny thing is that the strikes that were the most powerful on a static target ( heavy bag) weren't always the most powerful on a moving target.
Side kick is a perfect example.
Most powerful hand strike for me was the over hand right, followed closely by the left hook.
Kick was the round kick.
The was the case for the majority of people there.

[Frost]

Yep, funny thing is that the strikes that were the most powerful on a static target ( heavy bag) weren't always the most powerful on a moving target.
Side kick is a perfect example.
Most powerful hand strike for me was the over hand right, followed closely by the left hook.
Kick was the round kick.
The was the case for the majority of people there.

Gee wonder why MMA guys love the round house, overhand and the lead hook so much :)

If a style doesnt include the above in its arsenal of techniques you have to wonder just how good that style is

[sanjuro_ronin]

Gee wonder why MMA guys love the round house, overhand and the lead hook so much :)

If a style doesnt include the above in its arsenal of techniques you have to wonder just how good that style is

The step side kick and the spinning back kick were more powerful on the bag and dummy, but less so on a moving target, is was to be expected.
There was a TKD guy in the test who's lead leg round kick was as powerful as some of the guys rear leg round kick.
And VS a moving target, his speed was formidable.

[Kellen Bassette]

The step side kick and the spinning back kick were more powerful on the bag and dummy, but less so on a moving target, is was to be expected.
There was a TKD guy in the test who's lead leg round kick was as powerful as some of the guys rear leg round kick.
And VS a moving target, his speed was formidable.


I think it really depends what you develop. Most guys are convinced the roundhouse is king of the kicks, but I really believe a side thrust kick is much more powerful...I think most people just don't develop many kicks aside from the front kick and rear leg roundhouse.

I always imagine a spinning back kick should be the strongest, assuming you put the time in to develop it, but I prefer my lead leg side kick. It's dropped a lot of dudes as a counter to a punch. Most guys sidekick to the body, so you don't see the KO's you get from a roundhouse to the head...but it's definitely good for a TKO, or to set one up.

I'm always impressed by the guys with a real good lead roundhouse, though. It's easy to get power with the rear leg, so that's what most people work on... a lot of guys couldn't hurt you with the lead leg to save their lives. Lead leg is so much faster and infinitely less telegraphic. I forget his name, but there's a Karate fighter had a beautiful KO with lead roundhouse in his UFC debut earlier this year..he had some killer kicks...got wrecked on the ground in his second UFC fight though....

[Syn7]

I think it really depends what you develop. Most guys are convinced the roundhouse is king of the kicks, but I really believe a side thrust kick is much more powerful...I think most people just don't develop many kicks aside from the front kick and rear leg roundhouse.

I always imagine a spinning back kick should be the strongest, assuming you put the time in to develop it, but I prefer my lead leg side kick. It's dropped a lot of dudes as a counter to a punch. Most guys sidekick to the body, so you don't see the KO's you get from a roundhouse to the head...but it's definitely good for a TKO, or to set one up.

I'm always impressed by the guys with a real good lead roundhouse, though. It's easy to get power with the rear leg, so that's what most people work on... a lot of guys couldn't hurt you with the lead leg to save their lives. Lead leg is so much faster and infinitely less telegraphic. I forget his name, but there's a Karate fighter had a beautiful KO with lead roundhouse in his UFC debut earlier this year..he had some killer kicks...got wrecked on the ground in his second UFC fight though....


I use a thrusting front push kick like a jab to control distance. Sometimes, if it's available, I'll put something into it and go to the jaw.

I love round kicks. Love em. They feel real good and clean to me. But they aren't the hardest kick by any means.

It depends on the context. A pushing kick and a snapping kick and a driving kick are different. A side kick may be strong, but won't have the impact effect of like a spinning heel kick to the mouth. But then a side kick is easy to land, the other not so easy. They are all useful to a degree in the right context with the right opponent. I'm not really the type to use crescent kicks, but I've seen them work very well. So you know. It is what it is. I'm still amazed that MMA fans are so stupified by a simple front kick. :rolleyes:

[Kellen Bassette]

I use a thrusting front push kick like a jab to control distance. Sometimes, if it's available, I'll put something into it and go to the jaw.

I love round kicks. Love em. They feel real good and clean to me. But they aren't the hardest kick by any means.

It depends on the context. A pushing kick and a snapping kick and a driving kick are different. A side kick may be strong, but won't have the impact effect of like a spinning heel kick to the mouth. But then a side kick is easy to land, the other not so easy. They are all useful to a degree in the right context with the right opponent. I'm not really the type to use crescent kicks, but I've seen them work very well. So you know. It is what it is. I'm still amazed that MMA fans are so stupified by a simple front kick. :rolleyes:

I got to agree with all this, I like to practice a front snap, thrust and push kick. I use them for different scenarios. I like to hop in with a lead snap kick to cover distance and set up a strike, it's quick, it can hurt and get them to drop there hands...not meant to be a finisher. I like a rear front thrust kick for power if I want to do some damage with it...more committed but stronger. I like the push kick, (teep) for driving someone back and creating space, (what it's intended for.)

I don't really think one is better or worse. They are different tools for different jobs. A hammer is stronger than a screwdriver, but it won't do a screwdriver's job well.

I like the lead outside crescent, not so much the inside. A lot of people think they're useless and have no power, but that's because they don't work them. I helped a guy work crescents on the pads...he had no power at all with them; because he had never worked them with resistance. By the end of the session, he was getting some serious head rocking power with crescents. There's some guys who can get real KO power from an outside crescent, it's quick, hard to see coming and if you can hit the jaw it's dangerous. The draw back is it's such a close range kick. You got to be quick because your in punching, close to grappling range with it.

I'm glad we're starting to see more varied kicks in MMA. Jones and Machida really help with that...more guys are trying stuff they we're told was useless...because they're seeing it work. Still a lot of people are stuck on front kick, low roundhouse though...great kicks but so are all the others.

I'm real big on the cross kick and low side kick. Talk about hard to see coming, jar the leg than punch! :D

[Syn7]

or to the back of the head when you circle around the lead hand. If you can get a decent bridge on their lead jab and push them aside and circle around and back to the back of the head. Never see it coming.

There is a Capoeira school in my city that participates in MMA and they are using their capoeira to win in devastating fashion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0KfQE2-ZqA

I don't even wanna know what that feels like. Gotta be one of the strongest kicks tho. Better than spinning the other way IMO, as far as power is concerned anyways. As long as you can control the momentum when you miss so you don't get KO'd, it can totally work. Not that it will always work. But he's doing pretty good with it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJTrXxsv2-4

[Kellen Bassette]

or to the back of the head when you circle around the lead hand. If you can get a decent bridge on their lead jab and push them aside and circle around and back to the back of the head. Never see it coming.

I always liked that concept but usually went for the undercut to the kidneys...either way, a free strike is always a beautiful thing..

[Kellen Bassette]

There is a Capoeira school in my city that participates in MMA and they are using their capoeira to win in devastating fashion.



It just goes to show that you can win with any styles, so long as your training hard and testing your self against resisting sparring partners; and have a solid defense against your opponents methods.

[Syn7]

I always liked that concept but usually went for the undercut to the kidneys...either way, a free strike is always a beautiful thing..

Ughh, liver and kidneys. I never want to feel that again. It's like your legs completely abandon you and you fall straight down like a building being demolished. Quite unlike the stiff board syndrome. Not that all KO's are stiff ones. We all remember Tank Abbott ragdolling that guy on the fence and he looked like a puppet. It was pretty disturbing to some. I studied that fall like a calculus textbook. The mechanics fascinate me.


It just goes to show that you can win with any styles, so long as your training hard and testing your self against resisting sparring partners; and have a solid defense against your opponents methods.

Word. And it doesn't hurt to bring something to the table that your opponent has never faced before. Where do you find high level Capoeira training partners that aren't just overhyped dancers? Seriously, and it was local so there are only a handful of those schools anyways.

[David Jamieson]

While there are thousands of martial artists, there are very few professional fighters and of all those there are very few that are champions and of all those there are only a handful that get paid at a level where they can actually make some bank with their skills. Plus, it's a sport that has very few athletes comparable to other sports.

The other 99.999% of all enthusiasts will only do it as a hobby or will trudge along in amateur standings and get no money or recognition ever.

You will never ever see a guy stay on top. ever.

The UFC has 359 fighters overall. The whole organization. Of those, maybe 10 percent hold a title of some sort and only the highest draw names will get any money out of their efforts.

For the rest of you, you're going to learn and get a workout. Don't expect much else. I don't see the big motivation to sport fight. It's ok when you're young, it's kind of weird when you're over 40 and feel a need to get into that because quite frankly, you're over the hill and aren't going to get very far.

[Kellen Bassette]

Even if you just want to do some amateur fights without dreams of holding a UFC title, it's a good test for you MAs skils.

The main reason I'm interested in sport fighting is I'm considering teaching some day and nowadays if you've never fought some people don't take you seriously. Not that I believe that myself, but it's just the state of things now.

If I ever want to help train someone for the ring, it's a real good idea to get in there too, instead of just sparring.

[David Jamieson]

Even if you just want to do some amateur fights without dreams of holding a UFC title, it's a good test for you MAs skils.

The main reason I'm interested in sport fighting is I'm considering teaching some day and nowadays if you've never fought some people don't take you seriously. Not that I believe that myself, but it's just the state of things now.

If I ever want to help train someone for the ring, it's a real good idea to get in there too, instead of just sparring.

Yep it is a test of ones skills.
Be prepared to lose. That is the key thing and also, be realistic.
IE: don't go writing no cheques with your mouth that the rest of your body can't cash. :)

[Frost]

Yep, funny thing is that the strikes that were the most powerful on a static target ( heavy bag) weren't always the most powerful on a moving target.
Side kick is a perfect example.
Most powerful hand strike for me was the over hand right, followed closely by the left hook.
Kick was the round kick.
The was the case for the majority of people there.

was talking to my MMA coach about this last night, he is teaching a dutch style of stand up for MMA and its becoming popular all over the UK and elsewhere, what is basically means less use of the jab and cross, less use of head movement bobbing and weaving etc, more use of a high guard to absorb the strikes and moving backwards or circling off line in defence. In attack level changes or slipping and stepping off line is used to set up your strikes

Hooks, overhands and uppercuts are thrown a lot, the hooks are to the head and thrown at a longer distance than a normal boxing hook , they are also angled to the body like a shovel hook, overhands whip in and down and the upperhook is also used a lot but it’s a longer range upper cut you punch it forward and up with the little finger facing the opponent and most combinations were finished with a hard low roundhouse.

If the jab is used it’s a stiff whole body punch like a straight left, the reason for all the above is that weak straight shots are easy to follow into the clinch or walk through and short hooks and upper cuts are too much in clinch range, you want to hit them hard with every strike throw them from all sorts of angles so they don’t know what is coming and at a range long enough that they cant clinch the body easy and get punished everytime they try to come in

Semms like the study you did just reenforces all this lol
Honestly it was like watching a CLF demo lol

[RD'S Alias - 1A]

Well, there is no such language as "american" You speak English.
Secondly, what methods for attacking soft targets are you unclear on? Were you trained improperly by hippies or something that didn't know about these targets?

Actually, there is. "American English" is distinctly different than "The Queen's" (Oxford) English. There are different spellings, accent, and even differing grammatical rules.

[MasterKiller]

Actually, there is. "American English" is distinctly different than "The Queen's" (Oxford) English. There are different spellings, accent, and even differing grammatical rules.

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[sanjuro_ronin]

was talking to my MMA coach about this last night, he is teaching a dutch style of stand up for MMA and its becoming popular all over the UK and elsewhere, what is basically means less use of the jab and cross, less use of head movement bobbing and weaving etc, more use of a high guard to absorb the strikes and moving backwards or circling off line in defence. In attack level changes or slipping and stepping off line is used to set up your strikes

Hooks, overhands and uppercuts are thrown a lot, the hooks are to the head and thrown at a longer distance than a normal boxing hook , they are also angled to the body like a shovel hook, overhands whip in and down and the upperhook is also used a lot but it’s a longer range upper cut you punch it forward and up with the little finger facing the opponent and most combinations were finished with a hard low roundhouse.

If the jab is used it’s a stiff whole body punch like a straight left, the reason for all the above is that weak straight shots are easy to follow into the clinch or walk through and short hooks and upper cuts are too much in clinch range, you want to hit them hard with every strike throw them from all sorts of angles so they don’t know what is coming and at a range long enough that they cant clinch the body easy and get punished everytime they try to come in

Semms like the study you did just reenforces all this lol
Honestly it was like watching a CLF demo lol

Very interesting.

[Golden Arms]

Dutch style (Muay Thai) is really cool from what I have seen of it. My buddy just worked with a guy that fights with it and said it was the first time in a long time that he felt like someone had the ability to shut down a lot of what he does as well.

[sanjuro_ronin]

IN terms of stand up, the Dutch have always been very good and always looking to get better, this "new style" seems to be like the way Hoost fought, no?

[JamesC]

All of this just screams "full circle." we've said it before, but all of this just feels like people think they are discovering something new. This **** ain't new. The old school guys just fought constantly.

[Syn7]

Actually, there is. "American English" is distinctly different than "The Queen's" (Oxford) English. There are different spellings, accent, and even differing grammatical rules.

American English is nothing more than a massive *******ization of the "The Queen's" English. You guys take words, make them work for you. But don't fool yourself into believing it's actually something separate. It's just another patois. You take english words and dumb them down a bit. This cannot be disputed. Like removing letters and in many cases whole phonemes. It's basically what happens when there are more uneducated people than educated people. Simple assumptions and mistakes make their way into the consciousness and end up being taken for granted. I'm not trying to be insulting, just stating the facts. Canada does it too.

Like, for example, how many of you have heard of Aluminium? What does CAEsAr spell? Certainly not Ceaser. There is a reason why it's spelled the way it's spelled. Two examples that have always kind of annoyed me. I can go on for days!

[Frost]

IN terms of stand up, the Dutch have always been very good and always looking to get better, this "new style" seems to be like the way Hoost fought, no?

yep hoost, Maneoff etc and the guys at mikes gym they all fight this way, paul daley here in the UK really teaches and uses this style to good effect in the cage (hes the one who teaches it to us and our coaches)

[Syn7]

yep hoost, Maneoff etc and the guys at mikes gym they all fight this way, paul daley here in the UK really teaches and uses this style to good effect in the cage (hes the one who teaches it to us and our coaches)

Too bad he ruined his chances in the big show by being an undisciplined twatt. He really is good at what he does. Too bad.

[Kellen Bassette]

Yep it is a test of ones skills.
Be prepared to lose. That is the key thing and also, be realistic.
IE: don't go writing no cheques with your mouth that the rest of your body can't cash. :)

You got that...I never understood the trash talkers...I know they push fighters to do it in UFC interviews to hype the fight, but man, why would you want to make those claims when you know your about to face a real dangerous man?

On the local level, it's just crazy. Anyone can knock anyone out if a punch lands just right. You never know what can happen. If your humble and just say your going to train hard and do your best; then you lose, you don't really have to eat any crow. Some guys spend two months trash talking before a fight, then get a beat down...Eating your words might be worse than your injuries...I don't understand why people put that added pressure on themselves...

[Frost]

Too bad he ruined his chances in the big show by being an undisciplined twatt. He really is good at what he does. Too bad.

i actually know daley quite well, trained with him for years....no excuses for what he did but what kosceck was saying to him would have made most guys react like that

[Syn7]

i actually know daley quite well, trained with him for years....no excuses for what he did but what kosceck was saying to him would have made most guys react like that

You shouldn't say "no excuses" then offer up an excuse. Doesn't do your position any justice, man.

And it doesn't even matter. Kosceck is a douche, we all know it. He may be a nice guy, but that was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in MMA. You would think he would be man enough to reign in his emotions. Especially considering he is a deadly fighter. Not everyone who says mean things should get punched. I find it hard to believe that he isn't a bit of a bully outside the ring. Maybe not in the fight clubs, but you know that guy picked on kids in hischool. His profile is textbook.

[Frost]

You shouldn't say "no excuses" then offer up an excuse. Doesn't do your position any justice, man.

And it doesn't even matter. Kosceck is a douche, we all know it. He may be a nice guy, but that was one of the dumbest things I've ever seen in MMA. You would think he would be man enough to reign in his emotions. Especially considering he is a deadly fighter. Not everyone who says mean things should get punched. I find it hard to believe that he isn't a bit of a bully outside the ring. Maybe not in the fight clubs, but you know that guy picked on kids in hischool. His profile is textbook.

Mean things lol you really don’t know what happened do you?

I’ve known Paul off and on for about 10 years, in and out the ring, im not going to argue the point with someone who has never met him, doesn’t know him personally or who doesn’t know what actually happened between the two of them.

And I never said it wasn’t a dumb thing to do, I just know why he did it and I don’t actually blame him really but will say it was stupid and cost him a good career he should have taken it outside like lee murray did with the Huntington beach bad boy

[sanjuro_ronin]

What are you two talking about?

[David Jamieson]

Actually, there is. "American English" is distinctly different than "The Queen's" (Oxford) English. There are different spellings, accent, and even differing grammatical rules.

lol. Yeah, that's some made up crap in order to pretend that the connection with the roots is severed. English is English. You either speak it poorly or you speak it well. You either know how to write with it or you don't.

Playing make believe that there is some new language is the height of Hubris.
But if it makes people feel better, so be it. :p

[Frost]

What are you two talking about?

daley got kicked out of the UFC for attacking koscheck after the fight (during the score card announcment in fromt of Dana lol as the ref raised koschecks hand) why he attacked him, well lets just say koscheck was allegidly saying things not too flattering about pauls mum and his ancestory and colour

[Kellen Bassette]

I wouldn't be opposed to a simplification of English. It's not like we need to preserve it, it's changed drastically over the centuries.

Now that it's an international language, it would make sense if there was some consistency with our spelling rules, vowels, the sounds letters make when you put them together. English must be a nightmare for a non native speaker to learn. Sometimes there no rhyme or reason to it.

[MasterKiller]

lol. Yeah, that's some made up crap in order to pretend that the connection with the roots is severed. English is English. You either speak it poorly or you speak it well. You either know how to write with it or you don't.

Playing make believe that there is some new language is the height of Hubris.
But if it makes people feel better, so be it. :p

USA! USA! USA! USA!

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[David Jamieson]

USA! USA! USA! USA!

http://www.karatemart.com/images/products/large/rex-kwon-do-costume.jpg

Yes, this is a good interpretation of it.
Patriotic chants whilst kicking oneself in the face.

[wenshu]

lol. Yeah, that's some made up crap in order to pretend that the connection with the roots is severed. English is English. You either speak it poorly or you speak it well. You either know how to write with it or you don't.

Playing make believe that there is some new language is the height of Hubris.
But if it makes people feel better, so be it. :p


American English is nothing more than a massive *******ization of the "The Queen's" English. You guys take words, make them work for you. But don't fool yourself into believing it's actually something separate. It's just another patois. You take english words and dumb them down a bit. This cannot be disputed. Like removing letters and in many cases whole phonemes. It's basically what happens when there are more uneducated people than educated people. Simple assumptions and mistakes make their way into the consciousness and end up being taken for granted. I'm not trying to be insulting, just stating the facts. Canada does it too.

Like, for example, how many of you have heard of Aluminium? What does CAEsAr spell? Certainly not Ceaser. There is a reason why it's spelled the way it's spelled. Two examples that have always kind of annoyed me. I can go on for days!

Their are hundreds of legitimate dialects of the English language. Several of them within England itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language

Also, there is a difference between phonological processes of a language and its orthography.

(Abraham Lincoln told me you guys obviously havent met him been a member of his cabinet broken bread with him helped him defeat the south)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_orthography


****ing canandianians
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[David Jamieson]

Their are hundreds of legitimate dialects of the English language. Several of them within England itself.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_dialects_of_the_English_language

Also, there is a difference between phonological processes of a language and its orthography.

(Abraham Lincoln told me you guys obviously havent met him been a member of his cabinet broken bread with him helped him defeat the south)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/English_orthography


****ing canandianians
http://i.imgur.com/sekyq.gif


Dialects?

whatever. It doesn't change that English Is English. A dialect is a subset of the language and not the language itself.

:rolleyes: 'muricans and their pedantry, have some back. lol

[wenshu]

Why do you hate freedom?

[Lucas]

Thay jus jelus mang!

[LFJ]

It didn't appear that RD was suggesting American English is a separate language rather a separate dialect... ?

[David Jamieson]

Why do you hate freedom?

Because it is the highest form of ignorance. :D

[Syn7]

I wouldn't be opposed to a simplification of English. It's not like we need to preserve it, it's changed drastically over the centuries.

Now that it's an international language, it would make sense if there was some consistency with our spelling rules, vowels, the sounds letters make when you put them together. English must be a nightmare for a non native speaker to learn. Sometimes there no rhyme or reason to it.

Simplifying and dumbing down are not the same thing. Patois create all sorts of problems. It's like enlish is messed up enough, lol.

[Syn7]

Why do you hate freedom?

Because all Canadians are UnAmerican!!! ;)

[Syn7]

Mean things lol you really don’t know what happened do you?

I’ve known Paul off and on for about 10 years, in and out the ring, im not going to argue the point with someone who has never met him, doesn’t know him personally or who doesn’t know what actually happened between the two of them.

And I never said it wasn’t a dumb thing to do, I just know why he did it and I don’t actually blame him really but will say it was stupid and cost him a good career he should have taken it outside like lee murray did with the Huntington beach bad boy


Yeah, it doesn't really matter what he said. If you can't hold back in the most offensive of insults, you prolly shouldn't be a fighter. Kos manipulated Daley into ****ing himself in the ass and Daley took the bait. He got played, straight up. You see the look of satisfaction on his face after the punch? Kos is douche, he knew what he was doing and it worked. Not only did he beat Daley, but he made him go away for good. So who's the man here?


Watch his face after he gets punched. Tell me that isn't a look of self satisfaction after a textbook manipulation going golden for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRWSCVcijyQ

[Frost]

Yeah, it doesn't really matter what he said. If you can't hold back in the most offensive of insults, you prolly shouldn't be a fighter. Kos manipulated Daley into ****ing himself in the ass and Daley took the bait. He got played, straight up. You see the look of satisfaction on his face after the punch? Kos is douche, he knew what he was doing and it worked. Not only did he beat Daley, but he made him go away for good. So who's the man here?


Watch his face after he gets punched. Tell me that isn't a look of self satisfaction after a textbook manipulation going golden for him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRWSCVcijyQ

Lol now you saying who is or who isnt a fighter? who should and shouldnt be in the ring? remind me again whats your pro record????:rolleyes:

[Syn7]

Lol now you saying who is or who isnt a fighter? who should and shouldnt be in the ring? remind me again whats your pro record????:rolleyes:

Rather than being emotional about it and taking it personally, step to the left and try to get some perspective. Daley is a great fighter. I never said otherwise. What I did say is that a fighter should be able to take any words in the ring and not spazz out like that. You want to talk about what is professional and what isn't? Really?

I don't need to be a soldier to know that training and equipping somebody who isn't emotionally capable of being responsible about it should NOT be trained at all. Now, I'm not saying Daley shouldn't be allowed to fight or train. I'm saying he shouldn't be allowed to fight if he's going to be so weak emotionally. It's his call, not mine. I imagine he learned his lesson after that. ****, I hope so for his sake.


And none of that changes the fact that an ******* like Koschek manipulated him into doing something incredibly short sighted and down right self destructive. Not too mention it makes the whole sport look bad.

He lost a ton of respect that day. It's on him as to how he is perceived.

[pazman]

American English is nothing more than a massive *******ization of the "The Queen's" English.

http://eatdrinkbetter.com/files/2012/05/nope.jpg

[LFJ]

"I'm proud to be a merkin." -George W. Bush

[MasterKiller]

http://img.ccrd.clearchannel.com/media/mlib/2135/2012/12/default/miss_usa_0_1355993452.jpg

Meanwhile, in Canada...

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[Scott R. Brown]

Meanwhile, in Canada...

http://ic.pics.livejournal.com/ostrich_o/53964455/209083/209083_900.gif

Wow!! They have some cute guys in Canadiland don't they!:eek:

[Syn7]

Don't forget our transexual beauty queen!!!

[Faruq]

or to the back of the head when you circle around the lead hand. If you can get a decent bridge on their lead jab and push them aside and circle around and back to the back of the head. Never see it coming.

There is a Capoeira school in my city that participates in MMA and they are using their capoeira to win in devastating fashion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e0KfQE2-ZqA

I don't even wanna know what that feels like. Gotta be one of the strongest kicks tho. Better than spinning the other way IMO, as far as power is concerned anyways. As long as you can control the momentum when you miss so you don't get KO'd, it can totally work. Not that it will always work. But he's doing pretty good with it.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nJTrXxsv2-4

Impressive, but the Gracies know how to deal with Capoeira practitioners so I just wonder how well he'd do in the upper echelons. Or at least beasts like Wanderlei Silva, Vitor Belfort, the Spider, Ninja Ruas, etc. back in there day?...