Muay Thai Vs Wing Chun

[Yoshiyahu]

I think the WC guy lacked Aggression, Entry techniques and Grappling skills.

His first mind should have been attack or intercept attack followed by Fan Sau.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpRWtYC9HOI

what could he have done better?

[Bernard]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpRWtYC9HOI

what could he have done better?

He could've learn to fight better.... :D

Seriously, he was just a punching bag.

[GlennR]

I think the WC guy lacked Aggression, Entry techniques and Grappling skills.

His first mind should have been attack or intercept attack followed by Fan Sau.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpRWtYC9HOI

what could he have done better?

Sparred.


He had know idea what to do against the mt guy and you could see it was due to the lack of anything resembling sparring.

[wingchunIan]

I think the WC guy lacked Aggression, Entry techniques and Grappling skills.

His first mind should have been attack or intercept attack followed by Fan Sau.


easy to say when you haven't got someone throwing shots at you.


He had know idea what to do against the mt guy and you could see it was due to the lack of anything resembling sparring.

Got to agree with Glen. I hate sparring per se in class because it is effectively Wing Chun vs Wing Chun but at some point you have to build your skills by playing with other styles. Training with a guy like the one in the clip with bigger gloves and initially lighter contact would have allowed him to get used to the type of shots he could expect before building up the level of contact and reducing the glove size.
10 out of 10 to the guy for carrying on after the first knock down though, that took guts.

[GlennR]

easy to say when you haven't got someone throwing shots at you.



Got to agree with Glen. I hate sparring per se in class because it is effectively Wing Chun vs Wing Chun but at some point you have to build your skills by playing with other styles. Training with a guy like the one in the clip with bigger gloves and initially lighter contact would have allowed him to get used to the type of shots he could expect before building up the level of contact and reducing the glove size.
10 out of 10 to the guy for carrying on after the first knock down though, that took guts.

Yep, there is just no other way

[Yoshiyahu]

I know thats right. He just looked Green like he never sparred or fought in his life. Maybe he is too use to wing chun chi sau an believed sparring would be like that!



He could've learn to fight better.... :D

Seriously, he was just a punching bag.


Sparred.


He had know idea what to do against the mt guy and you could see it was due to the lack of anything resembling sparring.

[wingchunIan]

I know thats right. He just looked Green like he never sparred or fought in his life. Maybe he is too use to wing chun chi sau an believed sparring would be like that!

Don't think it is necessarily anything to do with chi sao, a lot of wing chun training seems to build a belief that opponents will attack with single shots and after the first strike the opponent will simply succumb. When they don't attack with single shots or fail to fall after the first counter everything falls apart.

[smc]

One thing is for sure - the Wing Chun guy certainly had heart! Good on him for having a go, would love to see more videos like this with a more experienced wing chun fighter.

The use of forward pressure like in this video would have been interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU8B6eNm2zs

[LFJ]

what could he have done better?

Sparred.

It would be too soon for sparring to do much for him. He didn't even know how to stand, much less move and attack or defend.

[GlennR]

It would be too soon for sparring to do much for him. He didn't even know how to stand, much less move and attack or defend.

I'd probably agree with that, he really looked at a total loss to me

[GlennR]

One thing is for sure - the Wing Chun guy certainly had heart! Good on him for having a go, would love to see more videos like this with a more experienced wing chun fighter.

The use of forward pressure like in this video would have been interesting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU8B6eNm2zs

I'd say that MT guy was about as good as theWC Guy in the first video.

Having said that, props to the four guys for having a go

[Hendrik]

I think the WC guy lacked Aggression, Entry techniques and Grappling skills.

His first mind should have been attack or intercept attack followed by Fan Sau.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zpRWtYC9HOI

what could he have done better?


The wingchun guy have not developed the momentum handling in a realistic condition. instead, living in a Artificial slow motion, dull, and disintegrate world.

It is like learning to swim while standing on the land , have never in Water experiencing the speed and nature of dealing with water with the whole body , instead of just thinking that slow arm stroke while standing in land can do the magic of floating.

[eltravose]

I'd say that MT guy was about as good as theWC Guy in the first video.

Having said that, props to the four guys for having a go



Pretty much what I was thinking

[GeneChing]

It's like Spring Cleaning time. :rolleyes:


Farce of fury: Boxer KO's 'Wudang kung fu master' in 7 seconds flat (http://www.taiwannews.com.tw/en/news/3162043)

Another video surfaces of a phony Chinese kung fu fighter getting beat down by a combat sport athlete

By Keoni Everington,Taiwan News, Staff Writer
2017/05/15 18:54

http://tnimage.taiwannews.com.tw/photos/shares/59197f7e220ad.jpg
Boxer decks "Wudang disciple" in 7 seconds. (Weibo image)

TAIPEI (Taiwan News) -- Another fake kung fu fighter met his match when he was knocked out by a boxer within seven seconds on May 4, a few days after the infamous match between an MMA gym owner and self-professed "tai chi master."

This time, another faux fighter, who claimed to be a disciple of the Wudang (武當) style of kung fu, is shown in a Weibo video being bounded to the turf like a rag doll in seven seconds by a boxer.

In the grainy video titled "Wudang kung fu master fights for traditional martial arts at a fight club, but doesn't last for seven seconds," a man is see wearing a black kung fu uniform with white boxing gloves, while a bare-chested boxer can be seen with bright green boxing gloves. Not to leave viewers disappointed, the boxer quickly goes to work and punches the pseudo kung fu "master" to a pulp.

The video is the latest in a series of videos showing purported "kung fu masters" taking on mixed martial artists and boxers. The previous being the clash between an MMA gym promoter Xu Xiao-dong (徐曉冬) and a massage therapist turned "tai chi master" Wei Lei (魏雷), which ended with the latter being punched into submission within ten seconds.

Nothing is yet known of the current kung fu fighter to be clobbered on video, but the Taoist Wudang monasteries, which housed famous sword fighters going back many centuries, were ransacked during the cultural revolution from 1966-1976 and the resident monks and martial artists were banished from the area.

After the cultural revolution, like most temples in China, the Wudang monasteries were converted into tourist attractions. Not much evidence exists of the return of the original practitioners of Wudang style after the cultural revolution.

Thus it is difficult to ascertain the validity of the martial arts lineage of a person claiming to represent Wudang style kung fu in modern day China. If he did in fact train at Wudang, it is a tangible sign of the deplorable state of this once fierce fighting system.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qFVVJmTwajw

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[GeneChing]

Such style versus style videos provide little in the way of quantifiable data as to the effectiveness of a given fighting system since they are individual incidents. Below is a video showing an opposite outcome in which a Wing Chun kung fu fighter smashes a Muay Thai kick boxer into a mirror:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jU8B6eNm2zs


That MMA vs Taiji Fight Everyones Talking About (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?70253-That-MMA-vs-Taiji-Fight-Everyones-Talking-About)
Wudang Kung Fu? (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?49599-Wudang-Kung-Fu)
Muay Thai Vs Wing Chun (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?65298-Muay-Thai-Vs-Wing-Chun)

[xano]

Wing Chun is meeeh, its a good style but not the best. People need to train a lot, in fact a couple years to actually become decent at the art. Most people just train for a couple months and participate into matches while they don't know anything about stepping since they didn't learn Chum Kiu. Considering Wing Chun to be one of the most populair Kung Fu styles, there are many fake an phonies (including many McDojos).