snake engine dymistify

[Hendrik]

for those who is interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcxOSqx7KTQ

[Grumblegeezer]

Mr. Santos, you are aware that some of us suffer from ADD (attention deficit disorder) and consequently don't have the mental capacity to watch these clips from start to finish without our minds wandering.

In fact trying to watch them is almost physically painful, like when my wife makes me watch a particularly tedious episode of Antiques Road Show, ...only not as interesting. Sorry, I know the fault is mine.

Anyway, Do you ever post some nice, exciting demo's of what you are talking about?

[Hendrik]

Mr. Santos, you are aware that some of us suffer from ADD (attention deficit disorder) and consequently don't have the mental capacity to watch these clips from start to finish without our minds wandering.

In fact trying to watch them is almost physically painful, like when my wife makes me watch a particularly tedious episode of Antiques Road Show, ...only not as interesting. Sorry, I know the fault is mine.

Anyway, Do you ever post some nice, exciting demo's of what you are talking about?

As I say, It is only for those who is interested.
Please Ignore me if it is not your interest.

[anerlich]

In fact trying to watch them is almost physically painful, like when my wife makes me watch a particularly tedious episode of Antiques Road Show, ...only not as interesting. Sorry, I know the fault is mine.

Dude, you diss the Antiques Roadshow unfairly. Plus Fiona (the host) is a hottie.

[BPWT]

Dude, you diss the Antiques Roadshow unfairly. Plus Fiona (the host) is a hottie.

Fiona Bruce... getting Anerlich's snake engine working :D

[anerlich]

Yep, not a lot to dimystify (sic) there :p

[Vajramusti]

for those who is interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcxOSqx7KTQ
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Hendrik- I appreciated reading the readable English translation of the concepts of the snake and crane in wing chun. There are gulfs between words and action. You have a background in Yik Kam's version of the art and you have posted pictures from the HK snake/crane school.

My comment is that it is possible to understand the principles alluded to in a well developed Ip Man lineage- without any reference to or imitation of shapes from the two schools that have been part of your posts.

I know that many people claiming to do wing chun just use the label "wing chun" but do things quite differently.

Some of the other Yik Kam and Cho family people have imported some clf and hung ga into what they do.

What I do comes from an unbroken transmission with major contributions along the way within the framework of wing chun,

I am not giving you a hard time but just commenting from a perspective somewhat different from yours

[Hendrik]

Joy,

The article on snake crane elements in the red boat era is to present what exist in that era as it is by evidence .

It is not about chogar or Ipman or anyone or any evolution.

It is we find the evidence and we present them as it is. The WCK world deserve to see what is exist.

Thus, in these article we use ancient WCK kuen kuit as the reference And not anyone lineage. But common denominator of red boat era WCK.


The YouTube in the thread is to present What is a snake body or snake engine, how the snake body related to the physical world in term of momentum, force, force change, and accereation, the physics basic elements.

How snake body support the
four type of basic momentum/force operation: push back, sustain, recieve, and issue.
three types of WCK force change handling : the direct, roundabout, and recovery.
five common type of momentum/force play basic elements : lead, collision, split, block, and absorb. Which are the basic of chisau and combat applications.

How the red boat era WCK elements translate to today's view.




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Hendrik- I appreciated reading the readable English translation of the concepts of the snake and crane in wing chun. There are gulfs between words and action. You have a background in Yik Kam's version of the art and you have posted pictures from the HK snake/crane school.

My comment is that it is possible to understand the principles alluded to in a well developed Ip Man lineage- without any reference to or imitation of shapes from the two schools that have been part of your posts.

I know that many people claiming to do wing chun just use the label "wing chun" but do things quite differently.

Some of the other Yik Kam and Cho family people have imported some clf and hung ga into what they do.

What I do comes from an unbroken transmission with major contributions along the way within the framework of wing chun,

I am not giving you a hard time but just commenting from a perspective somewhat different from yours

[Vajramusti]

Joy,

The article on snake crane elements in the red boat era is to present what exist in that era as it is by evidence .

It is not about chogar or Ipman or anyone or any evolution.


It is we find the evidence and we present them as it is. The WCK world deserve to see what is exist.
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I think that we are mis communicating. I accept the snake crane conceptions in the red boat era.
The snake crane school is their and your version of evidence-there are others.
I am not doing you tube but if we sat down I could show and explain better than
fragmented forum chats.

[Hendrik]

Joy

Please read my edit above.

I really don't understand your point bringing up Ipman lineage . And chogar ....





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I think that we are mis communicating. I accept the snake crane conceptions in the red boat era.
The snake crane school is their and your version of evidence-there are others.
I am not doing you tube but if we sat down I could show and explain better than
fragmented forum chats.

[k gledhill]

I am ready to see the dynamics in action Hendrik. Lets see a looooong clip of the idea "hands on ".

[Hendrik]

I am ready to see the dynamics in action Hendrik. Lets see a looooong clip of the idea "hands on ".

My hands on Dynamic action is

If someone has access to physical education reserch lab. It will be great to see these experiment carry out in modern physics.



Your dynamic action might be different then mine.

[k gledhill]

My hands on Dynamic action is

If someone has access to physical education reserch lab. It will be great to see these experiment carry out in modern physics.



Your dynamic action might be different then mine.

You can make 20 min clips of all talking, but none with you in action with another human ?

[Hendrik]

You can make 20 min clips of all talking, but none with you in action with another human ?

It deal with The law of Physics.

Certainly, not about, I am can do this, I am better then you....

It is about what it is iN term of physics instead of I can do this, I can fight, I can... My way,...etc.

It is not about showing what I can do or how good I can do. It is not my show buzz but what it is in term of physical reality.


For example, one now know there are

Four types of basic operation, thus, it is no longer just standing there holding the structure to resisting. There more then that.

Three types of WCK force change handling, thus, it is no longer just the ck angling..etc and ignore other two types.

Five basic ways of momentum /force change handling in chi sau and combat applications, thus, it is no longer just chain punch, put structure to collide . One needs more then that to play in the physical world .


My focus in on what and why. Not on I am better , I am the way....etc. in fact, I am not the model, but the content of what and why different element is needed to play in the physical world is the focus.

[Ali. R]

It deal with The law of Physics.

Certainly, not about, I am can do this, I am better then you....

It is about what it is iN term of physics instead of I can do this, I can fight, I can... My way,...etc.

I don’t think that you have to fight anyone or prove anything dealing with fighting to show your dynamics in action.

Are you saying that they can’t be seen on tape without some type of lab work and the human eye cannot see that results/affects of one's dynamic’s in play, but only the calibrations of lab work could show your dynamic’s in application?

[Hendrik]

Are you saying that they can’t be seen on tape without some type of lab work and the human eye cannot see that results/affects of one's dynamic’s in play, but only the calibrations of lab work could show your dynamic’s in application?


I am saying with physical education Physics study lad work , we can clearly know the effect on momentum, force, force change, and acceleration. And the process of how to do it .

As an example of structure test, one can see how things were done clearly. And that make learning very effective. Cutting down trial and Erro.

As there are five basic momentum/ force handling in wck instead just collision support by a hold triangle structure. That open up the tunnel vision for those who think WCK is just holding structure colision.

It is not about me, but the physics behind the art which I am interested.
It is also not who does it better. But does the basic elements covered which I am interested.

Some people is interested in who is better aspect where I am interested in what is the basic elements aspect of WCK.

[GlennR]

I am saying with physical education Physics study lad work , we can clearly know the effect on momentum, force, force change, and acceleration. And the process of how to do it .

As an example of structure test, one can see how things were done clearly. And that make learning very effective. Cutting down trial and Erro.

As there are five basic momentum/ force handling in wck instead just collision support by a hold triangle structure. That open up the tunnel vision for those who think WCK is just holding structure colision.

It is no about me, but the physics behind the art which I am interested.
It is also not who does it better. But does the basic elements covered which I am interested.

TST does open demos of his application of structure and Nim Lik...... funny how you cant

[Hendrik]

TST does open demos of his application of structure and Nim Lik...... funny how you cant

You clearly don't understand what I have posted.

Also, TST can demo all he loves. But still, never explain it in term of momentum, force, force change, and acceleration. Not to mention, I am not interested in demo, but interested in a well define process where everyone can practice , and also not limited to standing in a particular way as TST holding his structure in stationary.

Sorry, there is no such thing as Nim Lik or mind power in the world of physics. Mind is not in the realm of momentum. Also, there are Atleast five basic ways of handling momentum in WCK . Holding structure as TST is to the most one out of five.


So, put it is this way.

I am interested in the process of how to build a car and drive it. Then, demo how good one can ride a single wheel cycle. So, it is not about who but what technology and why.

[GlennR]

You clearly don't understand what I have posted.

Also, TST can demo all he loves. But still, never explain it in term of momentum, force, force change, and acceleration. Not to mention, I am not interested in demo, but interested in a well define process where everyone can practice , and also not limited to standing in a particular way as TST holding his structure in stationary.

Sorry, there is no such thing as Nim Lik or mind power in the world of physics. Mind is not in the realm of momentum. Also, there are Atleast five basic ways of handling momentum. Holding structure as TST is to the most one out of five.

But after all your videos/rants and so on.... he can do what he says he can..

You can do what??

[Hendrik]

But after all your videos/rants and so on.... he can do what he says he can..

You can do what??


Anyone follow the instruction will be able to do it. It doesn't have to be me.
Because it is a proven process. It is the process. It is not about me. Take the process and develop it in your own body and have it yourself is the key.

In fact, if I can do what I say is no good enough for me.
A process that can transform others in a few hours or days is my goal.



Seriously, have you ever ever ever see anyone in mma standing in TST nim Lik stance and not get take down or crush down? If not, what is the value of the demo?

Also, talking nim Lik is actually living in a momentum vacuum realm. Unless one can have the incoming momentum and acceleration considered, one is running blind of in coming momentum trajectory and limit. Demo is fine, but in real life it is not realistic at all when others is rush into one. Thus, how can one even handle the basic momentum, we are not even talking pro mma yet.

[GlennR]

Anyone follow the instruction will be able to do it. It doesn't have to be me.
Because it is a proven process. It is the process. It is not about me. Take the process and develop it in your own body and have it yourself is the key.

In fact, if I can do what I say is no good enough for me.
A process that can transform others in a few hours or days is my goal.



Seriously, have you ever ever ever see anyone in mma standing in TST nim Lik stance and not get take down or crush down? If not, what is the value of the demo?

Youre so hopelessly lost

[Hendrik]

Youre so hopelessly lost

Sure, I am lost in your eyes. Because I don't live in a momentum vacuum world like you talking nim Lik and qi power.

I Just a simple basic guy who know, one needs to be able to know how to handle momentum and acceleration within the limit in order just to cover the basic motion handling. Not even talk dealing with the pro mma.

Thus, don't expect me to demo like guru in utube. I am just a simple basic guy try to get simple basic clear.

[YouKnowWho]

Hendrik,

I can truly feel your pain here. You have some idea that you have spent a great deal amount of your lifetime to obtain and develop it. You feel strongly about it and you like to share with others. Unfortunately, for some unknow reason, people are just not interest.

In another forum I tried to share my life time experience with some Judo guys about "the danger of body spin". Since it concerns with the kernal of the Judo art, people felt defensively. I soon found out that in order to convince others, I was "teaching an online class but without pay".

Confucius said, "When a piece of jade is hidden in the closet and people don't know it's there, you should not feel upset." He also said, "When nobody care about your opinion, you should get a raffle and float on ocean".

It's good to help those who needs help. It's stupid to help those who doesn't want to be helped. Sometime the more that you write, the more that you may get into argument. If argument will raise your blood pressure, I just don't see any good reason to do so.

After we had retired from our work force (I don't know how old you are but I have retired for almost 10 years by now), TCMA is the only thing that left in our daily life. We want to talk about TCMA all day long because that's where our hearts are.

This was what I did in another forum.

- I typed exactly what I want to say.
- I then checked to see if I had repeated myself with my own words.
- I then deleted those words that I had said in the past.
- Finally I found out that I had nothing new to say.
- I then deleted my entire post right way.

This way,

- I had expressed my opinion (type it and delete it),
- I don't have to repeat myself, and
- I could also avoid argument.

After all no matter how long the fun party (TCMA online discussion) may last, there will always be an ending day. Oneday when you and I are 90 years old, and find out that we are arguing with a 20 years old how to do a punch, we will both feel "silly" and end with to

- get a rope,
- find a quite place, and
- hang ourselves.

[Ali. R]

I am saying with physical education Physics study lad work , we can clearly know the effect on momentum, force, force change, and acceleration. And the process of how to do it .

But, by the way you talk about it, it seem or sounds like you think you have a handle on it. I have a degree in physical education and deal with physics all the time (hydraulic specialist). And all of the above can be seen and understood with the naked eye dealing with physical attributes.


As an example of structure test, one can see how things were done clearly. And that make learning very effective. Cutting down trial and Erro.

I’m sure that there are many members here that can follow what they see in real time, and without lab result.


As there are five basic momentum/ force handling in wck instead just collision support by a hold triangle structure. That open up the tunnel vision for those who think WCK is just holding structure colision.

Even most ‘Yip Man’ systems know of the concepts of jamming, wedging, and redirecting structure dealing within transition to transition and not holding colliding structural intents (dynamics through softness/springy energies), structures in most cases are not held when it’s time to reroute/redirect energy, it’s within the transition of application where all of the dynamics are truly seen.

[anerlich]

Joy,

The article on snake crane elements in the red boat era is to present what exist in that era as it is by evidence .

It is not about chogar or Ipman or anyone or any evolution.

It is we find the evidence and we present them as it is. The WCK world deserve to see what is exist.

Thus, in these article we use ancient WCK kuen kuit as the reference And not anyone lineage. But common denominator of red boat era WCK.


The YouTube in the thread is to present What is a snake body or snake engine, how the snake body related to the physical world in term of momentum, force, force change, and accereation, the physics basic elements.

How snake body support the
four type of basic momentum/force operation: push back, sustain, recieve, and issue.
three types of WCK force change handling : the direct, roundabout, and recovery.
five common type of momentum/force play basic elements : lead, collision, split, block, and absorb. Which are the basic of chisau and combat applications.

How the red boat era WCK elements translate to today's view.

What you have written above is the content of the video, which I watched.

Observations:

The vid had a great deal of repetition. You could have condensed the 27 minutes into 5 or less with just a little better scripting and rehearsal. If people don't get something the first time, they can play it back!

The way it was presented there is little more real info provided other than what you wrote above, and thus the vid is arguably redundant, except perhaps for ego purposes.

Demonstrations of the basic elements would have been much more effective if they had been performed on a training partner.

And yes, watching you talk to the camera for 27 minutes is quite tedious. you are not Will Ferrell, and you are certainly not Fiona Bruce.

[Hendrik]

John,

Thanks for your sharing.

It is expected that some might interest and some doesn't . And it is ok.

My view is as you know in the real combat, there is momentum, acceleration, and limits because we live in a physical world.

There are basic ways of handling the momentu or force such as : colision, block, split, lead, and absorb. It is not just single solution stand there and chain punch with body structure support .

And to handle the above, one needs to develop ones body. Only when the body handling is developed to some level, one can play.

You use to ask me, why solo only. Well, because if one doesnt understand solo and develop the body to a cretain degree, one doesn't even have the ticket to play.

All these stuffs are scientific and not mythic. With a single solution type of wing Chun it is very limited.

People talk about if one art can work at resistance.

In my simple mind , resistance just means, a reality of monentum world, how good is one prepare or develop ones body for the job, what strategy one has train to cover different scenario.

The rest no one has control. But if one doesn't even know the above, there is not likely one can face resistance. So, facing is not just about gung ho or brave, one needs the preparation to support the facing.

I don't know it all but, I certainly never believe in a one solution or trial and Erro fighting. I admire people who has clean short such as your sifu the late Gm Chang dung shen.

The following is a trouble , living in a momentum vacuum world with a single solution , without knowing it .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qAN-ZKQlucg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nVDcxD-LBtw

There goes the nim Lik and structure stuffs. I never believe in these because I am a kyokushin and other styles beside wcner.


Hendrik,

I can truly feel your pain here. You have some idea that you have spent a great deal amount of your lifetime to obtain and develop it. You feel strongly about it and you like to share with others. Unfortunately, for some unknow reason, people are just not interest.

In another forum I tried to share my life time experience with some Judo guys about "the danger of body spin". Since it concerns with the kernal of the Judo art, people felt defensively. I soon found out that in order to convince others, I was "teaching an online class but without pay".

Confucius said, "When a piece of jade is hidden in the closet and people don't know it's there, you should not feel upset." He also said, "When nobody care about your opinion, you should get a raffle and float on ocean".

It's good to help those who needs help. It's stupid to help those who doesn't want to be helped. Sometime the more that you write, the more that you may get into argument. If argument will raise your blood pressure, I just don't see any good reason to do so.

After we had retired from our work force (I don't know how old you are but I have retired for almost 10 years by now), TCMA is the only thing that left in our daily life. We want to talk about TCMA all day long because that's where our hearts are.

This was what I did in another forum.

- I typed exactly what I want to say.
- I then checked to see if I had repeated myself with my own words.
- I then deleted those words that I had said in the past.
- Finally I found out that I had nothing new to say.
- I then deleted my entire post right way.

This way,

- I had expressed my opinion (type it and delete it),
- I don't have to repeat myself, and
- I could also avoid argument.

After all no matter how long the fun party (TCMA online discussion) may last, there will always be an ending day. Oneday when you and I are 90 years old, and find out that we are arguing with a 20 years old how to do a punch, we will both feel "silly" and end with to

- get a rope,
- find a quite place, and
- hang ourselves.

[Hendrik]

Thanks and appreciate for your advise.
Will sure work on improvement.


What you have written above is the content of the video, which I watched.

Observations:

The vid had a great deal of repetition. You could have condensed the 27 minutes into 5 or less with just a little better scripting and rehearsal. If people don't get something the first time, they can play it back!

The way it was presented there is little more real info provided other than what you wrote above, and thus the vid is arguably redundant, except perhaps for ego purposes.

Demonstrations of the basic elements would have been much more effective if they had been performed on a training partner.

And yes, watching you talk to the camera for 27 minutes is quite tedious. you are not Will Ferrell, and you are certainly not Fiona Bruce.

[Hendrik]

I have a degree in physical education and deal with physics all the time (hydraulic specialist). And all of the above can be seen and understood with the naked eye dealing with physical attributes. ----Ali

Great!
Then you know what I am talking about. Using physical lab experiment will be solid for everyone experience or not. Since the intention is to explore what is it. Instead of how good who can do what.


Even most ‘Yip Man’ systems know of the concepts of jamming, wedging, and redirecting structure dealing within transition to transition and not holding colliding structural intents (dynamics through softness/springy energies), structures in most cases are not held when it’s time to reroute/redirect energy, it’s within the transition of application where all of the dynamics are truly seen.--------Ali

True.
However, the five basic elements needs very different dynamic structure which in general not brought up and clearly define.

Ie. jammingm wedging redirecting might be still within the domain of blocking. Instead of blocking, splitting, leading, which required three types of dynamic structures.

A structure which is based on big limbs movement, and a structure which play with change of force directly via minute joints aligment or springy force handling are different structures.

[GlennR]

Sure, I am lost in your eyes. Because I don't live in a momentum vacuum world like you talking nim Lik and qi power.


Im not big on labels, but TST can do what he says.... and you?


I Just a simple basic guy who know, one needs to be able to know how to handle momentum and acceleration within the limit in order just to cover the basic motion handling. Not even talk dealing with the pro mma.

How would you know anything you say works?
A vivid imagination perhaps?


Thus, don't expect me to demo like guru in utube. I am just a simple basic guy try to get simple basic clear.


2 points.

1. You are a YouTube guru.......... what do you call your hours of you tube footage???

2. Simple?!?! You over complicate everything.... if it was so simple why the millions of words????

[Hendrik]

Great opinions. Thanks!



Im not big on labels, but TST can do what he says.... and you?



How would you know anything you say works?
A vivid imagination perhaps?



2 points.

1. You are a YouTube guru.......... what do you call your hours of you tube footage???

2. Simple?!?! You over complicate everything.... if it was so simple why the millions of words????

[Vajramusti]

True.
However, the five basic elements needs very different dynamic structure which in general not brought up and clearly define.

Ie. jammingm wedging redirecting might be still within the domain of blocking. Instead of blocking, splitting, leading, which required three types of dynamic structures.

A structure which is based on big limbs movement, and a structure which play with change of force directly via minute joints aligment or springy force handling are different structures.
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Sigh- you are over generalizing about what everyone else does-perhaps over depending on what videos you look at.
There are folks who do know quite a bit about dynamic structures. perhaps you should get out more.

That poor Malaysian guy did not have the slightest idea about wing chun...

[Hendrik]

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Sigh- you are over generalizing about what everyone else does-perhaps over depending on what videos you look at.
There are folks who do know quite a bit about dynamic structures. perhaps you should get out more.

That poor Malaysian guy did not have the slightest idea about wing chun...


Joy,

I am actually being very specific.

Please explain what is dynamic structure for you.

[GlennR]

Joy,

I am actually being very specific.

Please explain what is dynamic structure for you.

No, you are being absolutely unrealistic.

Can you do what you say???

Can you make this stuff work in a self defense situation?

[Ali. R]

Great!
Then you know what I am talking about. Using physical lab experiment will be solid for everyone experience or not. Since the intention is to explore what is it. Instead of how good who can do what.

To me, and I’m sure I speak for many who wish to see it firsthand and do not care how well you could execute your intention of dynamics, but would love to entertain the thought of just seeing what is, and I’m not saying that you can’t execute what you speak of.


True.
However, the five basic elements needs very different dynamic structure which in general not brought up and clearly define.
Lord have mercy, LMAO.


Ie. jammingm wedging redirecting might be still within the domain of blocking. Instead of blocking, splitting, leading, which required three types of dynamic structures.

A structure which is based on big limbs movement, and a structure which play with change of force directly via minute joints aligment or springy force handling are different structures.

When it comes to "structures force directly via minute joints alignment or springy force handling", they are the shapes that one gets when dealing with transitions which are developed through the sensibility of the primary structural intent. Therefore the energies become intuitive and not prolixious.

Look at the application begining with mark 0:24 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhyXUjJ4I5c&feature=share&list=PL74AD0BAD4D62A11A), where I’d jam the line of intent (mon sao), while at the same time I’m dissolving one’s momentum using springy energy and rerouting his fighting line with a small structure within that transition of application (lun sao), which is clearly intuitive.

In most cases the small structures in which you speak of can already be found within most wing chun forms, and would not be hidden if one pay attention to ones structures and applications within the transition of intent.

[Hendrik]

To me, and I’m sure I speak for many who wish to see it firsthand and do not care how well you could execute your intention of dynamics, but would love to entertain the thought of just seeing what is, ------Ali

Understood,

Actually, this YouTube is a brief summary of all my snake body series utubes. Details presentation have been shared in the prio utubes.

Ie:
Start 14.00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAkvhj06Fw4
Also, start 2.3 for the stationary holding type structure for push back and sustain, or what is called external handling.
And dynamic structure for recieving and issuing playing in the force change domain. Or what it called internal handling

Start 29.00 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nHArXoVMkzA



When it comes to structures force directly via minute joints alignment or springy force handling, they are the shapes that one gets when dealing with transitions which are developed through the sensibility of the primary structural intent. Therefore the energies become intuitive and not prolixious.

Look at the application begining with mark 0:24 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhyXUjJ4I5c&feature=share&list=PL74AD0BAD4D62A11A), where I’d jam the line of intent (mon sao), while at the same time I’m dissolving one’s momentum using springy energy and rerouting his fighting line with a small structure within that transition of application (lun sao), which is clearly intuitive. -----Ali


Thank you for sharing!



In most cases the small structures in which you speak of can already be found within most wing chun forms, and would not be hidden if one pay attention to ones structures and applications within the transition of intent. -----Ali

Certainly!

[YouKnowWho]

It is expected that some might interest and some doesn't . And it is ok.

Just one more suggestion from the bottom of my heart.

If someone asked you a question, you did your best to answer it. Instead of for him to appreciate your time and effort to respond to his 1st question, he just asked you a 2nd question right way and totally ignore your answer for his 1st question. Not only you should not respond to his 2nd question, you may just make yourself a fool by answering to his 1st question. You should really ignore his questions after that.

[Hendrik]

John,

Thank you and appreciate!!!


Just one more suggestion from the bottom of my heart.

If someone asked you a question, you did your best to answer it. Instead of for him to appreciate your time and effort to respond to his 1st question, he just asked you a 2nd question right way and totally ignore your answer for his 1st question. Not only you should not respond to his 2nd question, you may just make yourself a fool by answering to his 1st question. You should really ignore his questions after that.

[anerlich]

However, the five basic elements needs very different dynamic structure which in general not brought up and clearly define.

You did not clearly define them in the video by any stretch of the imagination. Rough idea ... perhaps.

You may have that somewhere in your other vids ... but if they're all as repetitive and information-sparse as this, you can't expect really expect anyone with a reasonable amount of healthy scepticism to trawl through them.

I see these as, being generous, a record of your version of your style's history and principles. If you claim them to be core info to WC in general that has been lost over the last 150-odd years, and that WC is lost without it, you are seriously over-gilding the lily and fooling yourself.

[Hendrik]

Lead, block, split, collide , and absorb Are just five very basic tools of any tcma which play with Jin or force change. as I mention in my previous posts and utube, they are just basic stuffs. Tools for chisau and combat applications. There is no need to stretch imagination.

WCK always has it, and I have never said WCK lost it.

The four basic function, the three types of Jin, the five types of basic tools all are in the sets. Infact that is my utube presentation is about, introduction to the basic and how the WCK basic related to modern day physics.

The WCK snake body or snake engine development support these function and operation. And snake body is also not my exclusive, from snake crane linage to Hawkins Cheung presentation of his direct learning from Gm Ipman, snake body is there.

And since these are basic stuffs of WCK, isn't it needs to be known for any wcner ?


You did not clearly define them in the video by any stretch of the imagination. Rough idea ... perhaps.

You may have that somewhere in your other vids ... but if they're all as repetitive and information-sparse as this, you can't expect really expect anyone with a reasonable amount of healthy scepticism to trawl through them.

I see these as, being generous, a record of your version of your style's history and principles. If you claim them to be core info to WC in general that has been lost over the last 150-odd years, and that WC is lost without it, you are seriously over-gilding the lily and fooling yourself.

[trubblman]

for those who is interested.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zcxOSqx7KTQ

I find your video fascinating and thought provoking

[anerlich]

Lead, block, split, collide , and absorb Are just five very basic tools of any tcma which play with Jin or force change. as I mention in my previous posts and utube, they are just basic stuffs. Tools for chisau and combat applications. There is no need to stretch imagination.

WCK always has it, and I have never said WCK lost it.

The four basic function, the three types of Jin, the five types of basic tools all are in the sets. Infact that is my utube presentation is about, introduction to the basic and how the WCK basic related to modern day physics.

The WCK snake body or snake engine development support these function and operation. And snake body is also not my exclusive, from snake crane linage to Hawkins Cheung presentation of his direct learning from Gm Ipman, snake body is there.

And since these are basic stuffs of WCK, isn't it needs to be known for any wcner ?

Perhaps it is basic stuff.

But if, as you suggest, this stuff is not exclusively yours, this begs the question as to what your presentations add to the already available set of knowledge out there, or why anyone should pay more attention to your stuff than anybody else's.


Infact that is my utube presentation is about, introduction to the basic and how the WCK basic related to modern day physics.

You presentation explains little if any what WC has to do with modern day physics or vice versa. You mention momentum, force, acceleration, etc. but that does not a physics lecture make.
You don't really explain how these physical concepts apply to WC or the reverse. IMO others have done a better job of that, though the bar is pretty low. Your presentation is more about kinesiology than physics, though not even close to a definitive treatise on the subject, its length not withstanding.

Once again, life's too short to search through all the vids of you talking to the camera for what pearls of wisdom may be there (not much evidence for their existence if this vid is representative.).

Discussion of theory appeals to few and proves nothing, experimental demonstration is far more interesting and convincing.

You insult your audience by suggesting they inhabit a momentum-free world. I did university physics and applied math, you just make me laugh.

I'm sure you have implied before that most of us are clueless about the concepts of 1850's WC, so it's a bit cute to backpedal now and say "no, no, it's always been there and we never lost it".

You seem to want kudos as a Wing Chun scholar or the communicator of special insights ... but what really have you shown that deserves that?

[imperialtaichi]

Yep, physics is great. But at the end of the day, good Wing Chun is for dealing with human beings, not machines. It's not just about how the physics can be measured in a lab, but how it can be applied in dealing with a real person.

The process cannot be claimed to be "proven", until it is applied and tested in real life.

Plus, even if the theory is sound, it has to be tested and fine-tuned, then be tested more.

Any scientist can write a hypothesis; fair enough. But the scientist cannot claim it "proven process" until proper testing is done and data supporting the effectiveness can be reproduced.

[Hendrik]

Perhaps it is basic stuff.

But if, as you suggest, this stuff is not exclusively yours, this begs the question as to what your presentations add to the already available set of knowledge out there, or why anyone should pay more attention to your stuff than anybody else's. ----------A


I share it with those who is interested and friends. Some review it some don't know it. Some likes it some don't like it. Fine with me. I don't expect anyone to pay more attention. It is information. I give out. Take it or ignore it.





You presentation explains little if any what WC has to do with modern day physics or vice versa. You mention momentum, force, acceleration, etc. but don't really explain how they apply to WC or the reverse. ------- A

there are many utube before this one. Which goes through them.






IMO others have done a better job of that, though the bar is pretty low. Your presentation is more about kinesiology than physics, though not even close to a definitive treatise on the subject, its length not withstanding. ----a


I share what I know. The rest is upto others to take it or ignore it.






Once again, life's too short to search through all the vids of you talking to the camera for what pearls of wisdom may be there (not much evidence for their existence if this vid is representative.).

Discussion of theory appeals to few and proves nothing, experimental demonstration is far more interesting and convincing. -----a


Different people has different interest. As I always says, for those who is interested only.


Btw, all the five type of tools, colision, lead, split, block, and absorb are in the woodern dummy set. That is how basic it is.






You seem to want kudos as a Wing Chun scholar or the communicator of special insights ... but what really have you shown that deserves that? ----a

Who cares about that?
I don't.

I present only very basic of WCK. Just a simple basic guy. That is me.

[Hendrik]

Yep, physics is great. But at the end of the day, good Wing Chun is for dealing with human beings, not machines. It's not just about how the physics can be measured in a lab, but how it can be applied in dealing with a real person.

The process cannot be claimed to be "proven", until it is applied and tested in real life.

Plus, even if the theory is sound, it has to be tested and fine-tuned, then be tested more.

Any scientist can write a hypothesis; fair enough. But the scientist cannot claim it "proven process" until proper testing is done and data supporting the effectiveness can be reproduced.



Sure, just hope some one is not naive enough to live in momentum vacuum . How much data needed to proof that?

[imperialtaichi]

Sure, just hope some one is not naive enough to live in momentum vacuum . How much data needed to proof that?

Most people don't live in momentum vacuum.

[anerlich]

there are many utube before this one. Which goes through them.

You claimed earlier in the thread, and in this video itself, that the applications of physics to WC were in this video. I've no reason to assume you aren't making the same claims about the other videos. If they're all roughly five times the length they need to be like this was ...


I share what I know. The rest is upto others to take it or ignore it.

IMO, option B is the correct one.

[Hendrik]

Belief what you like , think what you like, you are free.

Why complain and whining here? why wasting your time here ?







You claimed earlier in the thread, and in this video itself, that the applications of physics to WC were in this video. I've no reason to assume you aren't making the same claims about the other videos. If they're all roughly five times the length they need to be like this was ...



IMO, option B is the correct one.

[poulperadieux]

Sure, just hope some one is not naive enough to live in momentum vacuum . How much data needed to proof that?


Sorry, but for someone who is so eager to claim he's not living in a momentum vacuum like some, errrh, Neo Guy from the matrix, I don't see any momentum thing in your videos.

As for someone who claims he's a Kyokushin guy... And not even a former one, I don't see the body of a Karateka.
One can tell, by looking at the body stands or move, what kind of fighter he'll meet...


As for claiming you are a guy who only works basics... I did met bodys of people highly trained in basics, and I've been taught them, I didn't see them in your pdf though.


Be more humble, and go visit people who train hard and don't make 88 videos of professoral nonsense but actually show practical things.

[anerlich]

why wasting your time here ?

Because I'm freeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee .............................

You wasted 27 minutes of my time with the vid, plus countless hours more with your posts. A few minutes more ain't going to make much difference after the egregious time wasting you've already inflicted on the forum.

I did give you some advice about how to present yourself well on video. On second thought, I would have to counsel you to stop wasting your own time and the forum's with these strange missives.


I don't buy your new age bs as wing Chun.

Not many takers for your 1850's BS either.


Who cares? Can you stop wasting WCK forum bandwidth ?

My advice to you, Hendrik!

[GlennR]

Who cares? Can you stop wasting WCK forum bandwidth ?

Yeh, that's Hendriks job!!!

[poulperadieux]

Yeh, that's Hendriks job!!!

:D:D:D:D

Anyway...

If have a great idea, and you can't do it actually, and also you can't transmit it...

It dies with you Jimmy.


Sometimes, it's for the best.

[Hendrik]

So,

In WCK,

Four basic force operation, three types of force changes types, five tools for momentum play.

These are basic one needs to learn to play wing Chun game.

Ofcorse, these basic take physical limits into consideration. Since they deal with momentum, force generation, force changes, and acceleration .

Via force changes one deal with momentum, via acceleration one deal with Force generation, force changes and pulse generation.


Thus, that is the basic of wing Chun 1850 express in today's words. Thus, it is not Just the posture or technics, but the core within the technics. It is also called inner teaching. It links the intention to the physical momentum and force world.

The snake body or snake engine develop properly with the sets , chisau, and other drills are a platform to support these basic . That is the significant. Holding structure, geometry holding, structure alignment is just a section of the snake body.

[poulperadieux]

there he preaches again, sorry, last intervention here Moses.

[Hendrik]

Thus,

Via

Four basic force operation, We know the external holding tensing type operation : push back and sustain. The internal dynamic type operation : recieving and issuing.

three types of force changes types, we know the : direct, roundabout, and recovery way.

five tools for momentum play, we know the momentum manupulation basic : block, split, collision, lead, and absorb.


The snake body one has a physical tool to bring momentum handling from intention to physical world.

Thus, via these one then has the tools to cover the basic of momentum handling, link the method/strategy of handling, intention placement, physical body handling, and momentum handling.


It goes beyond tan da, lap da.....etc but it include tan da, lap da.....etc. mastering this give a chance to face stronger physical opponent handling with good coverage. Without these basic will be running in uncertainty. It is just WCK basic.

[Ali. R]

I think you should water it down a little, to help those that are not versed in the terminology on what you’re saying, I’m sure some here understand, but you can over-cook your point.

Which makes some react in contempt including myself, but my opinions along with the feeling of contempt will and has always been deleted, and it seems that there are enough people here that truly have that under control; but it’s their prerogative and right to do so.

All I’m saying is; just work in the realm of simplicity and you might go far and maybe you won’t turn people off. But don’t take it personal because I get ripped into real hard as well.

[Hendrik]

Ali,

Thanks and appreciate for your advise!
Get view !



I think you should water it down a little, to help those that are ，not versed in the terminology on what you’re saying, I’m sure some here understand, but you can over-cook your point.

Which makes some react in contempt including myself, but my opinions along with the feeling of contempt will and has always been deleted, and it seems that there are enough people here that truly have that under control; but it’s their prerogative and right to do so.

All I’m saying is; just work in the realm of simplicity and you might go far and maybe you won’t turn people off. But don’t take it personal because I get ripped into real hard as well.

[imperialtaichi]

Anyone follow the instruction will be able to do it. It doesn't have to be me.
Because it is a proven process. It is the process. It is not about me. Take the process and develop it in your own body and have it yourself is the key.

The thing is, Hendrik has every right to present his view on 1850's WC. After all, he did his reading and research.

Hendrik can call his methods an untested hypothesis; and ask the readers to try it. Fair enough.

However, it is irresponsible to mislead the public claiming "it is a proven process", when there is NO real data to support it's efficiency. Even more ridiculous to claim that his way is the only right way, and everyone else's is not real Wing Chun (seems to be Hendrik's angle. He makes personal attacks on me that I am not doing real Wing Chun when replying to my posts).

It is almost like, claiming the cure to heart disease by doing historical research, refusing to provide clinical data at all, and claiming none of the doctors are doing medicine. Being able to give "common sense" advice doesn't make a person an expert either.

Wing Chun (and open heart surgery) cannot be improved by just reading about it; theories need to be tested, refined, and tested more. Wing Chun can only be improved by exploring the methodology, and interacting with people with great Martial Arts skills as well as with everyday folks. A Wing Chun teacher who never interact with anyone, is like a surgeon who had never done surgery. All talk and no real substance.

If anyone wants to trust a heart surgeon who learnt medicine on the internet? Someone who had never shown his ability to do surgery? Your right, your choice.

I am not saying Hendrik's methods works or not; it could be the greatest thing ever happened in modern WC, or it could be a load of crap. My opinion is not important.

But what's important is that I have seen too many people in MA circle wasting time to chase "ideology" instead of "reality", only to realise years later regretting all the time wasted walking down the wrong path. It would be irresponsible of me if I don't point that out.

[JPinAZ]

This is the obvious problem of someone who is looking into various arts of the past to peice together his incomplete WC of today and then coming here to share his 'great discoveries' which should be common, basic level knowledge for most WC lineages. It's cool he's trying to piece together where his hybrid Snake/Crane/WC hodge-podge came from, but passing it off as proof of what all 1850's Red Boat WC comes from is a joke.

That said, I;m betting WC practitioners of 1850's would fall down laughing at all of these long-winded, pointless videos of someone bobbling around in their living room talking for 10-20+ minutes. They would have grabbed their training parnters and banged this stuff out like most sane WC practitioners today do (or at least should).

And this is the problem I see when watching this babbling clown's clips - it's clear he doesn't train what he's talking about at all and doesn't have the skill he claims it builds (he can't even stand up straight, no root, punches big balloons, leans against bats, pets invisible dogs, etc). Which tells me he doesn't know what he's talking about. Theory and hypothesis has little place in WC without the skill and experience to go with it. So, all I see is over 20 minutes of hot air. All of these hours upon hours of clips, and not even 2 seconds of demonstratable skill in ANY of them! :eek:

Am I a bit harsh? Maybe. But then, being a pretty devoted WC practitioner, it makes me sad the state this art has come too if people believe and train under 'experts' like this... :rolleyes:

[Robinhood]

Well I just think he is trying to look at what wc came from, not what it has changed to, most arts are just shadows of what they started out from anyway, mostly from commercialization of greedy sub humans.

[Robinhood]

I don't know why everyone gets so mad, if you have reached a level in your art of moving chi with intention, you will understand what he is saying, look at any description of moving chi in any Tai Chi article or book.

[Hendrik]

However, it is irresponsible to mislead the public claiming "it is a proven process", when there is NO real data to support it's efficiency.

Even more ridiculous to claim that his way is the only right way, and everyone else's is not real Wing Chun (seems to be Hendrik's angle


. He makes personal attacks on me that I am not doing real Wing Chun when replying to my posts).





1. I have never ever make claim on Hendrik way is the only right way. Not in my posts, not in my utube. In fact many times in my utube I suggest to learn from different WCK lineages.

2. A proven process is a process the Chinese has practiced again and again for hundreds of years. At least hundred of years of records are open to public on the tcma practice . In this cased when related to wing Chun kuen , the records of white crane from fujian and the emei 12 zhuang practice . Anyone can trace them.

3. I do not attack you personally, I just question you, why is the body type of your wingchun is yang tai ji based instead of siu Lin tau based? Since when taiji engine become WCK platform?


4. It is great that you Point out what you think is proper. However, what if you are mistaken because you have not yet proceed into the states others have?

[GlennR]

Well I just think he is trying to look at what wc came from, not what it has changed to, most arts are just shadows of what they started out from anyway, mostly from commercialization of greedy sub humans.

Thats fine that he wants to research history, but ,he misses the whole point.

Wing Chun is for fighting. Period.

So my biggest problem with him is to lecture how his 1850 is the "complete" and to produce hours and hours of video and endless posts yet there isnt one example of actual application.

His out, so to speak, is that he's a lover not a fighter and that he doesn't believe in violence anymore.
How convenient.

And to top it off, he says he's all about saving the original 1850 WC, well, ive said to him that if he feels so strongly about it then why not get a handful of actual students ensuring the future of his true style.

But, no, he wont do that.

Cop out.

And what really bugs me is that he has the hide to tell everyone that their way is incomplete (im a TST guy and in Hendriks opinion he has no idea) whilst they are out training, sparring and fighting.

Finally what really worries me about his posts is that some young guy/girl will believe his nonsense and possibly get hurt in an altercation due to his non-tested theories.

[Hendrik]

Well I just think he is trying to look at what wc came from, not what it has changed to, most arts are just shadows of what they started out from anyway, mostly from commercialization of greedy sub humans.


When Solid evidence is presented certainly shock is expected.

[Hendrik]

I don't know why everyone gets so mad, if you have reached a level in your art of moving chi with intention, you will understand what he is saying, look at any description of moving chi in any Tai Chi article or book.


Not everyone gets so mad but some get mad. It is expected and understandable when one face unknown because ones domainlos facing changes. Just human.

In this case, the basic of WCK is brought to the table top and look at it with physics. No more myth.

[imperialtaichi]

I don't know why everyone gets so mad, if you have reached a level in your art of moving chi with intention, you will understand what he is saying, look at any description of moving chi in any Tai Chi article or book.

Robinhood, that's the problem. What he claims as "treasured knowledge" can be bought for $3 in a Chinese book shop. Doesn't mean sh!t unless it can be physically manifested and adapted in the real world. Without an expert who had been there and done it to show you, descriptions are as useful as a blind man talking about the colour blue. You CANNOT learn and teach others by reading a paperback.

Prior to KL22, I spent years doing Tai Chi (IYTC). I had met and had my a$$ kicked my number of experts in China. My TCC teacher isn't a library book, but GM Wei Shuren. I don't claim to be an authority but I can claim I have substantial experience in the subject.

If Hendrik is objective and humble, no one would have problems with him presenting his views. But his constant implication that "I am right and all of you's are wrong" won't do him any favor.

[Hendrik]

Finally what really worries me about his posts is that some young guy/girl will believe his nonsense and possibly get hurt in an altercation due to his non-tested theories.

Which do more harm?

To expose them to

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216035&postcount=52
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216065&postcount=54

A common sense scienticfic physical reality .


Or drug and dope them with nim Lik myterious demo power and Standing doing chain punch is the wck ultimate?

[imperialtaichi]

3. I do not attack you personally, I just question you, why is the body type of your wingchun is yang tai ji based instead of siu Lin tau based? Since when taiji engine become WCK platform?

Robinhood, this is exactly what I'm talking about. Hendrik knows NOTHING about Kulo Wing Chun (KL22), yet making and posting uneducated assumptions about fellow Wing Chun practitioners?

You think this kind of behaviour is going to make him respectable?

[Robinhood]

Robinhood, that's the problem. What he claims as "treasured knowledge" can be bought for $3 in a Chinese book shop. Doesn't mean sh!t unless it can be physically manifested and adapted in the real world. Without an expert who had been there and done it to show you, descriptions are as useful as a blind man talking about the colour blue. You CANNOT learn and teach others by reading a paperback.

Prior to KL22, I spent years doing Tai Chi (IYTC). I had met and had my a$$ kicked my number of experts in China. My TCC teacher isn't a library book, but GM Wei Shuren. I don't claim to be an authority but I can claim I have substantial experience in the subject.

If Hendrik is objective and humble, no one would have problems with him presenting his views. But his constant implication that "I am right and all of you's are wrong" won't do him any favor.


Well I do agree with you, books are only good if you have a hands on teacher to go along with them. Talk alone without physical reinforcement of application is not real good, but better than nothing.

I don't know Henrick personally, but everyone has their own personality, no reason for personal attacks, that does not accomplish much.

Cheers

[imperialtaichi]

Which do more harm?

To expose them to

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216035&postcount=52
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216065&postcount=54

A common sense scienticfic physical reality .


Or drug and dope them with nim Lik myterious demo power and Standing doing chain punch is the wck ultimate?

Hendrik, have you EVER been on the receiving end of TST?

[imperialtaichi]

I don't know Henrick personally, but everyone has their own personality, no reason for personal attacks, that does not accomplish much.

Yep. Why don't you tell him that. :rolleyes:

[imperialtaichi]

Well I do agree with you, books are only good if you have a hands on teacher to go along with them. Talk alone without physical reinforcement of application is not real good, but better than nothing.

Actually, it's bad! It's like me teaching you open heart surgery because I have read about it.

[imperialtaichi]

Finally what really worries me about his posts is that some young guy/girl will believe his nonsense and possibly get hurt in an altercation due to his non-tested theories.

This is also my biggest concern.

Hendrik has every right to present what he had read; but no right to claim his hypothesis as proven, just because he READ that's how people in 1850 used to do it.

[Hendrik]

1. To pig, pearls means nothing. Not even $3.0

2. It is not about humble, but you get mad because I don't accept your stories.




Robinhood, that's the problem. What he claims as "treasured knowledge" can be bought for $3 in a Chinese book shop. Doesn't mean sh!t unless it can be physically manifested and adapted in the real world. Without an expert who had been there and done it to show you, descriptions are as useful as a blind man talking about the colour blue. You CANNOT learn and teach others by reading a paperback.

Prior to KL22, I spent years doing Tai Chi (IYTC). I had met and had my a$$ kicked my number of experts in China. My TCC teacher isn't a library book, but GM Wei Shuren. I don't claim to be an authority but I can claim I have substantial experience in the subject.

If Hendrik is objective and humble, no one would have problems with him presenting his views. But his constant implication that "I am right and all of you's are wrong" won't do him any favor.

[Hendrik]

This is also my biggest concern.

Hendrik has every right to present what he had read; but no right to claim his hypothesis as proven, just because he READ that's how people in 1850 used to do it.


http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216143&postcount=61

[imperialtaichi]

1. To pig, pearls means nothing. Not even $3.0

2. It is not about humble, but you get mad because I don't accept your stories.

What stories am I telling?

First you are saying I use Tai Chi engine, now you are calling me a pig?

:rolleyes:

[poulperadieux]

Just don't get mad...

We've got a guy talking and writing, showing nothing, with no students...

And certainly no skill...

Don't give it too much importance, it's only a net hero who preaches.

[Robinhood]

Actually, it's bad! It's like me teaching you open heart surgery because I have read about it.


Well I won't go that far, you have to be able to do it to some degree to explain it, unless you are just repeating original writings, I don't have original script so I don't know the case, but usually when someone can describe something in a new way, then they are usually describing from experience.

[Hendrik]

Well I won't go that far, you have to be able to do it to some degree to explain it, unless you are just repeating original writings, I don't have original script so I don't know the case,

but usually when someone can describe something in a new way, then they are usually describing from experience.


Without experience how can one describe the ancient teaching in details, the process, the out come in today's language , physics?

And how can many who tried the process get result as predicted?


Not to mention, just by heard, the four operation basic, five tools, one has expanded ones horizon in the momentum handling. And realized, there are many elements in momentum play . So, what is the issue ?

If one like to keep oneself blind and not aware of the four operation basic and the five tools. Then, one can stay that way. No one forcing anyone to blind fold oneself.

Picking at writing is just an alibi of trying to deny one don't know.

[imperialtaichi]

Well I won't go that far, you have to be able to do it to some degree to explain it, unless you are just repeating original writings, I don't have original script so I don't know the case, but usually when someone can describe something in a new way, then they are usually describing from experience.

I wouldn't count on it in this case.

I have NEVER met a person who can do something, passionate about preaching that something, yet refuses to demonstrate that something.

Have you?

[imperialtaichi]

And how can many who tried the process get result as predicted?

There are many who get great results without ever hearing the name "Hendrik".

[Hendrik]

There are many who get great results without ever hearing the name "Hendrik".

That is perfectly fine with me.

[GlennR]

Which do more harm?

To expose them to

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216035&postcount=52
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216065&postcount=54

A common sense scienticfic physical reality .


Or drug and dope them with nim Lik myterious demo power and Standing doing chain punch is the wck ultimate?

TST will happily demo with anyone at his demos (though rare these days as he is 80 years old now)

Every single person i know that have trained with him have been blow away by his power, structure and control..... some of these guys were over 130kg

He writes small essays on how he practises his WC, never rubbishing anyone elses WC, never denigrating anyone else's way... he merely says this is my take on it.
And this is from Ip Mans most senior remaining student (though some may argue that)

Your essays are garbage.... self serving, irrational nonsense without a shred of evidence to back up either the history, of combat efficiency, of your 1850's slop bucket of non-martial fantasy foo

Keep it in your lounge room for the benefit of all

[Robinhood]

I wouldn't count on it in this case.

I have NEVER met a person who can do something, passionate about preaching that something, yet refuses to demonstrate that something.

Have you?

Well, I don't think he is talking about driving the car, more about the engine in the car, I think. But what kind of car will support engine ?, speed ?, power ? Etc.. Is testing after have engine runs. You guys want demonstration of engine running in car , video will not show engine , only result on opponent. From what my experience with internal demo, you have to be the recipient to appreciate it.

[imperialtaichi]

Well, I don't think he is talking about driving the car, more about the engine in the car, I think. But what kind of car will support engine ?, speed ?, power ? Etc.. Is testing after have engine runs. You guys want demonstration of engine running in car , video will not show engine , only result on opponent. From what my experience with internal demo, you have to be the recipient to appreciate it.

From what I have experienced from the real deals, the observers can also see the result. Don't get sucked in by the all talks and nothing to show.

[imperialtaichi]

Plus, how can one know if the engine is sound when it is not being tested?

[Hendrik]

Some pm me ask me about the split applications.

Here is a good one by chan wah soon wing Chun of china.
Start 17.35

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OtCxzwi_0CI

Thus, these are things people practice for hundred of years in WCK lineages. But then if one have never learn it one will not recognized them.

Lead, split, block, collide , and absorb. Are just basic WCK. There for hundred of years.

No, no such thing as standing holding triangle structure one size fit it all.


Btw, an example of lead is double pull hand as in the wooden dummy. Absorb is loading as Allan Orr has in his demo. Collision as David Peterson handle the hook. Block as Hawkin Cheung take the kick with his body.

It is insane to ask for testing these ideas which are practiced and used in WCK across lineage's for hundred of years upto today. That type of questions are just telling the person doesn't familiar with wing Chun kuen.

[Robinhood]

From what I have experienced from the real deals, the observers can also see the result. Don't get sucked in by the all talks and nothing to show.

For sure the observer can see it, the problem is that they don't believe it.

[Happy Tiger]

From what I have experienced from the real deals, the observers can also see the result. Don't get sucked in by the all talks and nothing to show.
If I'm not mistaken Hendrik is in a bit of a pickle.He has given up martial practice as it conflicts with his beliefs.This is kinda where I have a problem.Hard to take at face value information offered by some one who is at odds with the essence of what he's teaching/preaching.

[Hendrik]

If I'm not mistaken Hendrik is in a bit of a pickle.He has given up martial practice as it conflicts with his beliefs.This is kinda where I have a problem.Hard to take at face value information offered by some one who is at odds with the essence of what he's teaching/preaching.

Hahaha,

You guys are strange. Hahaha

If what I present is as you see, then why the real taiji expert in asia wrote something like this after they watch my utube?

Are they drug by me, or you guys don't see things which they see?

Hahaha

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/TwoFishesTCC/22773985
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/TwoFishesTCC/22762467


What if all these are inch force change and qi stuffs, unless you know it you don't see? Because of you don't know what it is you can find it.


As I mention above, it is ridiculous for WCK old timer asking me to test the split, collide, absorb, lead, and block idea. The five tools which is used and practiced in WCK since hundred years ago.

If you don't know what it is you can't find it. Again, it is not me who know it all, in fact all wck lineages god players knows it. Not my creation, so, why shoot the messenger ? Perhaps, it is the time to ask yourself, do you do WCK? Or you think you do WCK but not according to WCK? Perhaps this is why you hate me, because you don't like to face the reality .

One needs to be sensible, attacking me because of you lack of knowledge is not going to help.

[Robinhood]

For sure the observer can see it, the problem is that they don't believe it.

But I am not sure he is doing what I think, because most of his references are just external clips.

[Hendrik]

But I am not sure he is doing what I think, because most of his references are just external clips.

Just ask the question, why is the Asia internal art guy appreciate my utube sharing? What have they see ?

The same utube, are there ghost in the utube that only them can see?

I recommended one to take the above two links writing on me by the Asian internal artist, go to the top internal art expert in china or taiwan as one like, and ask them to critics. Let them tell you am I real or fake. Hahaha.

Or perhaps, you guys don't see what suppose needed to Be seen?

[imperialtaichi]

One needs to be sensible, attacking me because of you lack of knowledge is not going to help.

Wow, assuming everyone is lack of knowledge and Hendrik is too smart for us to understand..... again.

I was formally trained, as indoor disciple in internal style. Who trained you in internal again? Oh, you just read about them in books? Have you ever been thrown across the room by internal masters? Or just seen them on YouTube? Since you openly criticize TST regularly, have you met him and wooped his a$$?

[Hendrik]

Wow, assuming everyone is lack of knowledge and Hendrik is too smart for us to understand..... again.

I was formally trained, as indoor disciple in internal style. Who trained you in internal again? Oh, you just read about them in books? Have you ever been thrown across the room by internal masters? Or just seen them on YouTube? Since you openly criticize TST regularly, have you met him and wooped his a$$?


What is the point on name dropping? Or try to be gungho talking wooded a$$?

Stick with common sense and physics. It is the law of momentum not the name of the sifu or how gung ho one can be count in presenting momentum facts.

Nim Lik is misleading because it cannot directly relate to the law of physics. Mind doesn't have force to move object. Sorry.

Momentum = mass x velocity
Momentum = force / time
Force = mass x accereation

None of these three basic momentum and force equation got to do with nim or thinking.

[Robinhood]

Just ask the question, why is the Asia internal art guy appreciate my utube sharing? What have they see ?

The same utube, are there ghost in the utube that only them can see?

I recommended one to take the above two links writing on me by the Asian internal artist, go to the top internal art expert in china or taiwan as one like, and ask them to critics. Let them tell you am I real or fake. Hahaha.

Or perhaps, you guys don't see what suppose needed to Be seen?


Your talks, talk about internal, your video action referrences don't , only external references.

[Hendrik]

Your talks, talk about internal, your video action referrences don't , only external references.

Not if you watch my utube as the Asia internal art practitioners.

[Robinhood]

Not if you watch my utube as the Asia internal art practitioners.

What is the link ?

[imperialtaichi]

What is the point on name dropping? Or try to be gungho talking wooded a$$?

Stick with common sense and physics. It is the law of momentum not the name of the sifu or how gung ho one can be count in presenting momentum facts.

Nim Lik is misleading because it cannot directly relate to the law of physics. Mind doesn't have force to move object. Sorry.

Momentum = mass x velocity
Momentum = force / time
Force = mass x accereation

None of these three basic momentum and force equation got to do with nim or thinking.

Yep, sidestepping my question to avoid an answer. You have no formal internal training, just reading books. Yet criticize everyone.

[Hendrik]

You have no formal internal training, just reading books.

Yet criticize everyone.

1. I don't critize everyone. I question those who doesn't not making sense via law of physics.

2. No Formal internal training? Hahaha. What is internal? Do you have internal training?

[imperialtaichi]

2. No Formal internal training? Hahaha. What is internal? Do you have internal training?

Yes. And you?

[imperialtaichi]

Hahaha,

You guys are strange. Hahaha

If what I present is as you see, then why the real taiji expert in asia wrote something like this after they watch my utube?

Are they drug by me, or you guys don't see things which they see?

Hahaha

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/TwoFishesTCC/22773985
http://www.wretch.cc/blog/TwoFishesTCC/22762467


A blogger ("real tai chi expert in asia" - really?) quoting something that anyone after a reading a few books can regurgitate is hardly proof of anything.

Sorry, someone on this forum does read and speak Chinese fluently.

[GlennR]

What is the point on name dropping? Or try to be gungho talking wooded a$$?

Stick with common sense and physics. It is the law of momentum not the name of the sifu or how gung ho one can be count in presenting momentum facts.

Nim Lik is misleading because it cannot directly relate to the law of physics. Mind doesn't have force to move object. Sorry.

Momentum = mass x velocity
Momentum = force / time
Force = mass x accereation

None of these three basic momentum and force equation got to do with nim or thinking.

Then why would TST throw you around the room like a rag doll and make you his plaything?

Because he can do what he says he can.

Once again.... what can you do?? Apart from talk and talk and talk

[GlennR]

Just ask the question, why is the Asia internal art guy appreciate my utube sharing? What have they see ?

The same utube, are there ghost in the utube that only them can see?

I recommended one to take the above two links writing on me by the Asian internal artist, go to the top internal art expert in china or taiwan as one like, and ask them to critics. Let them tell you am I real or fake. Hahaha.

Or perhaps, you guys don't see what suppose needed to Be seen?

So because he's asian he knows better??

[JPinAZ]

I was formally trained, as indoor disciple in internal style. Who trained you in internal again? Oh, you just read about them in books? Have you ever been thrown across the room by internal masters? Or just seen them on YouTube? Since you openly criticize TST regularly, have you met him and wooped his a$$?

Funny you should ask, Chi Sim GM dropped Hendrik on his but and he cried out loud the whole time "That's not WC, That's not WC".

Everyone knows Hendrik has no skill, nor does he have any complete formal training in WCK. This is why he is constantly looking for ancient text & lost scrolls, pointing to everyone else's clips for his 'evidence', learning from books and pictures, getting tossed to the ground by real MA's, etc. The guy is a phony.

At some point he'll start crying like a baby (again) and stop posting here like he's done so many times in the past. But of course, it won't last and he'll be back because he thrives on this type of attention.
Best bet is to leave the guy alone in his padded room and he'll go away.

[Hendrik]

Thank you for your creativity and great imagination! Hahaha


Funny you should ask, Chi Sim GM dropped Hendrik on his but and he cried out loud the whole time "That's not WC, That's not WC".

Everyone knows Hendrik has no skill, nor does he have any complete formal training in WCK. This is why he is constantly looking for ancient text & lost scrolls, pointing to everyone else's clips for his 'evidence', learning from books and pictures, getting tossed to the ground by real MA's, etc. The guy is a phony.

At some point he'll start crying like a baby (again) and stop posting here like he's done so many times in the past. But of course, it won't last and he'll be back because he thrives on this type of attention.
Best bet is to leave the guy alone in his padded room and he'll go away.

[Hendrik]

Believe in all magic as you like.

I stay with the law of physics.

Momentum = mass x velocity
Momentum = force / time
Force = mass x accereation



Then why would TST throw you around the room like a rag doll and make you his plaything?

Because he can do what he says he can.

Once again.... what can you do?? Apart from talk and talk and talk

[GlennR]

Thank you for your creativity and great imagination! Hahaha

Actually when it comes to creativity and imagination..... you are unequaled in the WC world

[Hendrik]

Actually when it comes to creativity and imagination..... you are unequaled in the WC world

Remember I stick with physics

Momentum = mass x velocity
Momentum = force / time
Force = mass x accereation



You are the one Who believe in Nim Lik , force comes out from your thinking, which is clearly beyond physics. So, it is out of my imagination.

[GlennR]

Remember I stick with physics

Momentum = mass x velocity
Momentum = force / time
Force = mass x accereation



You are the one Who believe in Nim Lik , force comes out from your thinking, which is clearly beyond physics. So, it is out of my imagination.

No, no, no no.

Are you just stupid or ignoring the FACTS.

The facts are, that TST generates huge amounts of power, has amazing control and structure...... he can do what he says and has shown it many many times

And on top of that, he's 80 and very light in build.

These are FACTS.

Now, read this carefully and slowly so you understand.......

CAN YOU DO THE SAME AS HIM?????

[JPinAZ]

Thank you for your creativity and great imagination! Hahaha

Are you really this stupid or are you off your meds again?

Facts:
1. Chi Sim GM did drop you on your but (many eye witnesses)
2. You did cry "That's not Wing Chun!!" from the floor (same eye witnesses)
3. You did quit the forum and come back under new aliases several times (remember pikachu you dimwit?)
4. You did recently go off in a cry baby huff for many months just last year, only to return again with your long winded balloon punching, bat hmping videos to many people's dismay.
5. You do read old text and and documents to piece together what you 'claim' is lost in today's WC (you have admitted on several occasions)

All of this is common knowledge and easy to verify, unlike your skill or 'facts' on WC his-story. So, what did I miss?

[Hendrik]

You love to create his - story. I am aware of that.

Thanks for your imagination. Can you please go somewhere to start your his-story thread to tell your story again and again? I am not interested in them? Thanks.




Are you really this stupid or are you off your meds again?

Facts:
1. Chi Sim GM did drop you on your but (many eye witnesses)
2. You did cry "That's not Wing Chun!!" from the floor (same eye witnesses)
3. You did quit the forum and come back under new aliases several times (remember pikachu you dimwit?)
4. You did recently go off in a cry baby huff for many months just last year, only to return again with your long winded balloon punching, bat hmping videos to many people's dismay.
5. You do read old text and and documents to piece together what you 'claim' is lost in today's WC (you have admitted on several occasions)

All of this is common knowledge and easy to verify, unlike your skill or 'facts' on WC his-story. So, what did I miss?

[GlennR]

You love to create his - story. I am aware of that.

Thanks for your imagination. Can you please go somewhere to start your his-story thread to tell your story again and again? I am not interested in them? Thanks.

And apparently you dont want to answer my question either

[poulperadieux]

Remember I stick with physics

Momentum = mass x velocity
Momentum = force / time
Force = mass x accereation



You are the one Who believe in Nim Lik , force comes out from your thinking, which is clearly beyond physics. So, it is out of my imagination.



The body isn't a machine...

Study Neurology a bit...

[poulperadieux]

Are you really this stupid or are you off your meds again?

Facts:
1. Chi Sim GM did drop you on your but (many eye witnesses)
2. You did cry "That's not Wing Chun!!" from the floor (same eye witnesses)
3. You did quit the forum and come back under new aliases several times (remember pikachu you dimwit?)
4. You did recently go off in a cry baby huff for many months just last year, only to return again with your long winded balloon punching, bat hmping videos to many people's dismay.
5. You do read old text and and documents to piece together what you 'claim' is lost in today's WC (you have admitted on several occasions)

All of this is common knowledge and easy to verify, unlike your skill or 'facts' on WC his-story. So, what did I miss?


That is huge man, thanks for the big laugh !

This guy Is H U G E !

[GlennR]

Are you really this stupid or are you off your meds again?

Facts:
1. Chi Sim GM did drop you on your but (many eye witnesses)
2. You did cry "That's not Wing Chun!!" from the floor (same eye witnesses)
3. You did quit the forum and come back under new aliases several times (remember pikachu you dimwit?)
4. You did recently go off in a cry baby huff for many months just last year, only to return again with your long winded balloon punching, bat hmping videos to many people's dismay.
5. You do read old text and and documents to piece together what you 'claim' is lost in today's WC (you have admitted on several occasions)

All of this is common knowledge and easy to verify, unlike your skill or 'facts' on WC his-story. So, what did I miss?

4. I proudly take some credit for that.... I think it was the YouTube clip of a baby throwing a tantrum.... I'm sure we'll see that soon.

On point 3, was that really him?

[anerlich]

What is the point on name dropping?

Yeah, why do you keep bringing up your Asian internal guy?


why is the Asia internal art guy appreciate my utube sharing?

You offered to pay him?

Because he is stupid?

Because, unlike others on the forum, he believes fools should be allowed to prosper?

[anerlich]

Remember I stick with physics

Momentum = mass x velocity
Momentum = force / time
Force = mass x accereation



You stick with incorrect physics.

Momentum = force * time, not force/time.

I'm not sure what accereation is. Something to do with Weeties, maybe?

http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae462.cfm

You lose again. :o

[anerlich]

Or perhaps, you guys don't see what suppose needed to Be seen?

There is a fable about that called "the Emperor's new clothes"

[anerlich]

When Solid evidence is presented certainly shock is expected.

And when it isn't, scepticism is the only sensible approach.

[poulperadieux]

So, when will we be seeing Jimmy or Jimmy's student performing a technique or something like that ?

[Hendrik]

You stick with incorrect physics.

Momentum = force * time, not force/time.

I'm not sure what accereation is. Something to do with Weeties, maybe?

http://www.physlink.com/education/askexperts/ae462.cfm

You lose again. :o


Sorry, My opps, yes,

Momentum = force x time


Thanks!

[Vajramusti]

Even a broken clock can be correct twice a day.

Sure the red boat era is part of the evolution of wing chun. Wing chun has gone in so many directions it's not easy to do "history", important as it may be for understanding the nature of the art.While "history" is not science it's not a do it yourself field either.

What is presented so far as current "evidence" by Hendrik- namely his own views and terminology
and the pictures from the Hong Kong snake and crane -is far from satisfactory -to me.

Some things--the balanced axis, combining both lines and circles, both internal and external
are not unknown to some wing chun folks.

There are many other questionable claims to historical continuity- so healthy skepticism can be warranted.

[Hendrik]

So,

Snake body development develop the use of joints, body weight distribution , and sinews to support:

Four type of basic operation, pushback and sustain is body type or external structure or hard power, recieve and issue is force line type or internal dynamic handling or soft power.

Three types of force changes handling , the direct, the roundabout, and the recovery. A uniqueness develop with WCK sets.

Five types of basic tools for momentum play, split, block, collision, lead and absorb.


Fitting into

Momentum = mass x velocity
Momentum = force x time
Force = mass x acceleration



These sum up the WCK basic from the red boat era 1850 until today across WCK lineages.

[Hendrik]

What is presented so far as current "evidence" by Hendrik- namely his own views and terminology


Some things--the balanced axis, combining both lines and circles, both internal and external
are not unknown to some wing chun folks.



.



1.The existance of Kuen kuit of the siu Lin tau practice in the red boat era 1850 from yik kam and snake crane wc lineage as they are and support each others, Is not an " evidence" by Hendrik.

It got nothing to do if Hendrik exist or not.

From the kuen kuit of different lineages one can see what happen in that era. One can see the common denominator to the minimum.

As for snake body, snake and crane, wcner cannot avoid it because it shows up even in Ipman lineages from who study directly under Gm Ipman himself , from Hawkins Cheung teaching and Duncan Leung logo.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMTE5NzIzODIw.html?x




2. The summary here on snake body and momentum handling tools are WCK denominators. As I adress again and again.

3. With the evidence from red boat era, we know what is WCK core what is Likely WCK modern evolution.



Btw. As can be seen clearly now, many Posts using the stratergy trying to discredit me to block the WCK information. my view remain, it is not about me. So, discredit me doesn't effect the facts existed.

[Hendrik]

Remeber a decades ago when I bring up wing Chun is not from shao Lin and it is from fujian white crane and emei snake?


At that time there are many who gang up to against and discredit me because they believe in their shao Lin creation story.

Today, white crane from fujian has become a fact as the mother of WCK. Emei snake has started accepted for many.

The legend of shao Lin being drop because it is proven historically and tehnically not possible.


So, facts and evidence speak , and it take times for people to accept. Releasing information at early stage sure will face resistance.

[Robinhood]

Henrick , can you post those links to internal demo you were referring to ?

[Hendrik]

Henrick , can you post those links to internal demo you were referring to ?

YouTube link he watches at the bottom of the page

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/TwoFishesTCC/22773985

Or
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mdVLg8kGOCg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0jepJ8aLJM


Or to be just narrow Down to very a simply even
How do I do the recieve and issue ? Why do I choose to use body to recieve and issue without using big stance instead of limbs , why I use the wall as opposition?, if it is not to show how the explicit look when internal dynamic in operation with the wall as support of the opposition.

The internal art guy in the above link know what it is So he sees it, but most people never see that type of things, so they missed it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAkvhj06Fw4

It is not about I am good at it, it fact I am not, but, internal dealing with force change, that I still know the basic and can demo it to let those who knows it to identify it.

[Vajramusti]

[QUOTE=Hendrik;1216272]1.The existance of Kuen kuit of the siu Lin tau practice in the red boat era 1850 from yik kam and snake crane wc lineage as they are and support each others, Is not an " evidence" by Hendrik.

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Far from my intent to discredit Hendrik. But reference to the snake and crane metaphors is quite old in wing chun. I began in wc in 1976 and understood the metaphor fairly early. Joint power, maximum coordination (body unity). minimum local muscle tension was emphasized from the beginning complemented with structural integrity in motion
I accept Yik Kam and HK snake/crane as forms of wing chun that is about it. I don't think they have major insights which I have missed. Duncan Leung using the snale/crane logo or Hawkins Cheung
using the term snake adds nothing to my understanding.


See 2007 article on stability and mobility in wing chun with illustrations at:

www.tempewingchun.com/docs/chum_kiu_form.pdf
I always understood the Shaolin label and myths as common to many kung fu styles.

[Hendrik]

Joy,



Thank you for sharing.


IMHO,

For the wing Chun 1850 reality, across wck lineage's,
There are solid evidence, there are common denominator independent of me,
And there are my interpretation which is my view.

So, these are different things.

You sure can critic my interpretation if I made any,

however, when it comes to evidence found such as kuen kuit and common denominator , that is independent of me.


The slt kuit of yik kam and snake crane wc lineage support each others and with common denominator . And describe slt core across red boat WCK lineges,
That is independent of if Hendrik exist in this world or not.
Not my interpretation, they just exist.



Finally, as your interpretation WCK fit the kuen kuit of red boat era or have evolved. That is ok with me. But we now do have a description via the kuen kuit of 1850 as a reference to compare where does one located.


[QUOTE=Hendrik;1216272]1.The existance of Kuen kuit of the siu Lin tau practice in the red boat era 1850 from yik kam and snake crane wc lineage as they are and support each others, Is not an " evidence" by Hendrik.

------------------------------------
Far from my intent to discredit Hendrik. But reference to the snake and crane metaphors is quite old in wing chun. I began in wc in 1976 and understood the metaphor fairly early. Joint power, maximum coordination (body unity). minimum local muscle tension was emphasized from the beginning complemented with structural integrity in motion
I accept Yik Kam and HK snake/crane as forms of wing chun that is about it. I don't think they have major insights which I have missed. Duncan Leung using the snale/crane logo or Hawkins Cheung
using the term snake adds nothing to my understanding.

I always understood the Shaolin label and myths as common to many kung fu styles.

[Robinhood]

Are you erasing my posts for internal links ?, why ? , can't find any ? , just say so.

[Hendrik]

Are you erasing my posts for internal links ?, why ? , can't find any ? , just say so.

Nope, I didn't erase anything

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216309&postcount=126

[poulperadieux]

What is the point on name dropping? Or try to be gungho talking wooded a$$?

Stick with common sense and physics. It is the law of momentum not the name of the sifu or how gung ho one can be count in presenting momentum facts.

Nim Lik is misleading because it cannot directly relate to the law of physics. Mind doesn't have force to move object. Sorry.

Momentum = mass x velocity
Momentum = force / time
Force = mass x accereation

None of these three basic momentum and force equation got to do with nim or thinking.


The problem is....

Human Body is more complex than a Physic model...

You've got a complex brain, and complex neuro transmissions of information and commands.

Some call it "neurophysiologie des liens entre le schéma moteur et sensori- proprioceptif", others call it niem lik.

Read a little, please, your ignorance and intolerance on the subjet is really laughable.

[Robinhood]

YouTube link he watches at the bottom of the page

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1QpSz82YNdg&feature=youtu.be

be just narrow Down to very a simply even
How do I do the recieve and issue ? Why do I choose to use body to recieve and issue without using big stance instead of limbs , why I use the wall as opposition?, if it is not to show how the explicit look when internal dynamic in operation with the wall as support of the opposition.

The internal art guy in the above link know what it is So he sees it, but most people never see that type of things, so they missed it.

is not about I am good at it, it fact I am not, but, internal dealing with force change, that I still know the basic and can demo it to let those who knows it to identify it.


OK, first link is what I was looking for, good demo of using body structure.

Great

Thanks

[Hendrik]

OK, first link is what I was looking for, good demo of using body structure.

Great

Thanks

Great.

Compare with my recieving and issuing sharing here. Same mechanics, I use wall as opponent . The demo is always there if one know where to look. In fact I even do it and explain it but if one doesn't see then one does see because one doesnt know what is it. I even suggest physics lab monitring. But some people really don't know what I am talking about and have no real internal training experience.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAkvhj06Fw4

[YouKnowWho]

my recieving and issuing sharing here.

Not all "sharing" will be appreciated. When you share something, people can treat it as:

1. A different angle to look at the samething (positive).
2. You know somthing that they don't (negative).
3. An attacking on their current system (negative).

If you intend to share from the bottom of your heart, but you receive the 2nd or the 3rd respond, it's about time to stop your "sharing".

[JPinAZ]

4. I proudly take some credit for that.... I think it was the YouTube clip of a baby throwing a tantrum.... I'm sure we'll see that soon.

On point 3, was that really him?

You can't take ALL the credit - there were a few of us badgering him until he took a hike. What a nice break that was! :D

Yes, that was really him. And if I am not mistaken, he had a few versions of the pikachu name floating around here thru-out the years.

He wants to say I'm making things up, but everything I have stated is fact - he can't dispute even a single one of them, or he would have. The guy seems to have some serious mental issues remember even what he has done in the past year. And we are to believe his 'research'?

[JPinAZ]

Today, white crane from fujian has become a fact as the mother of WCK. Emei snake has started accepted for many.

By who?? Only a handful of people in the world believe this garbage. Sh!t, you can't even keep your own historical facts straight - so, are you saying Chi Sim GM didn't drop you to the ground?
Are you saying you didn't quit and re-sign up for the forum multiple times un various aliases?
Are you saying you didn't go off crying last year and 'quit' yet again, only to return a few months later?

Here is a simple WC FACT you still are missing: WC has nothing to do with animal style kung fu (except maybe for a few signatures in some of it's tools). Your constant looking at internal styles & mimicing animal style body methods in an attempt to figure out your incomplete WC is the complete opposite of what the system was intended for.
You won't get this either, but WC designed to reach maximum effciency in fighting thru understanding of the human body/anatomy & skeletal structure via scientific study of nature & physics.


Same mechanics, I use wall as opponent .

Hahaha!! First balloons, now walls!! Only a bumbling idiot would train against a wall - no wonder nobody believes your garbage!!
LOL - Good luck banging your head against that wall buddy - I'm sure your animal kung fu is great because of it. ;)

[Hendrik]

John,

Thanks!

What you say is true.

I share with those who is Interested only, that is why ignore those who is not in my sharing group. There are many who read my post here and pm me to thanks me. I share with them here.



Not all "sharing" will be appreciated. When you share something, people can treat it as:

1. A different angle to look at the samething (positive).
2. You know somthing that they don't (negative).
3. An attacking on their current system (negative).

If you intend to share from the bottom of your heart, but you receive the 2nd or the 3rd respond, it's about time to stop your "sharing".

[Robinhood]

Not all "sharing" will be appreciated. When you share something, people can treat it as:

1. A different angle to look at the samething (positive).
2. You know somthing that they don't (negative).
3. An attacking on their current system (negative).

If you intend to share from the bottom of your heart, but you receive the 2nd or the 3rd respond, it's about time to stop your "sharing".


You are always going to get idiots who cry about something they no nothing about, but they will never learn anyway, better not to let them spoil things for the people that really want to learn.

[Hendrik]

John,

This is for you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pdzog-IZWNU

[Hendrik]

You are always going to get idiots who cry about something they no nothing about, but they will never learn anyway, better not to let them spoil things for the people that really want to learn.

Wing Chun 1850

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glh-r4LT_NE

[desertwingchun2]

No they didn't. You just want to shake the heat. Cant you tell no one is buying your story. Poor guy you have no home.


Some pm me ask me about the split applications.

[Hendrik]

No they didn't. You just want to shake the heat. Cant you tell no one is buying your story. Poor guy you have no home.


one example and there are many many more all the time.
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Thanks for your videos!!!
I just wanted to say thank you for all the effort you put into getting your message out. I try not to get involved in the Wing Chun forum other than reading/learning since there is so much bickering going on, but I have enjoyed your videos greatly so keep up the good work!!! ~Namaste
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[Hendrik]

another one


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had learnt Cho gar wing chun in SEAe some 20 years back under a Sifu XXX for about 13 years. Nevertheless, I only scratch the surface and was more than happy when I found your videos. As I just discovered your channel, there is a lot of homework and revision I have to do again. Oh boy....:)

In any case, thanks for the vids.


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another one

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Thanks Hendrick.
Downloaded it yesterday.
Can't say how much your clips are helping me, thank you.
I hope one day I can get to me you in person.
Sincerely

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易金轉換
理路清晰、系統完整。很具推廣價值。從頭到尾仔細看完，勤作筆記，對武術理法概念入門的學習，必有相當的幫 助。(若師兄有出文字稿或參考書籍就更棒了。) 尤其師兄關於四套築基功法的安排，作為小練頭學習之前奏，甚為踏實巧妙，值得學習。

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Hello,
I wanted to thank you for sharing your art through video,I really like how you teach qi gong lik and jin ,


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The list goes on and on around the world.

[desertwingchun2]

You are always going to get idiots who cry about something they no nothing about, but they will never learn anyway, better not to let them spoil things for the people that really want to learn.

Insert WC Fields quote here.

[Hendrik]

John,

what i am doing here, doing with heart. to share what is found. a WCK community service which all proper WCners will do to support WCK as a whole.

There sure people who has thier own aganda for their private desire. which I ignore after seeing their true color.

But, we here open up everything under the sun so that it can be investigate by those who really care about the art. I have never claim I know it all or the only truth as I have made that statement many times in my utube. but I would share everything I have to the public as it is. the goal is get information out so that wcners know they exist.

[desertwingchun2]

Lots of people buy snake oil.


another one


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had learnt Cho gar wing chun in SEAe some 20 years back under a Sifu XXX for about 13 years. Nevertheless, I only scratch the surface and was more than happy when I found your videos. As I just discovered your channel, there is a lot of homework and revision I have to do again. Oh boy....:)

In any case, thanks for the vids.


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another one

-----------------------
Thanks Hendrick.
Downloaded it yesterday.
Can't say how much your clips are helping me, thank you.
I hope one day I can get to me you in person.
Sincerely

-----------------


易金轉換
理路清晰、系統完整。很具推廣價值。從頭到尾仔細看完，勤作筆記，對武術理法概念入門的學習，必有相當的幫 助。(若師兄有出文字稿或參考書籍就更棒了。) 尤其師兄關於四套築基功法的安排，作為小練頭學習之前奏，甚為踏實巧妙，值得學習。

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Hello,
I wanted to thank you for sharing your art through video,I really like how you teach qi gong lik and jin ,


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The list goes on and on around the world.

[Robinhood]

Lots of people buy snake oil.


If you don't like or can't understand his videos don't watch them. :p

[YouKnowWho]

If you don't like or can't understand his videos don't watch them. :p
In another forum, I had suggested everybody to put up a "heavy bag punching clip" so we all know who can punch hard and who can't. That idea was not accepted.

There are so many people in this forum who had never shared any of their personal clips. For some, they don't even want people to know their real name, how they may look, who their teachers are, and what style that they train. When you share, people may think you are trying to promote yourself. That's like to use your hot face to touch someone's cold ass. Not a smart thing to do IMO.

[Robinhood]

In another forum, I had suggested everybody to put up a "heavy bag punching clip" so we all know who can punch hard and who can't. That idea was not accepted.

There are so many people in this forum who had never shared any of their personal clips. For some, they don't even want people to know their real name, how they may look, who their teachers are, and what style that they train. When you share, people may think you are trying to promote yourself. That's like to use your hot face to touch someone's cold ass. Not a smart thing to do IMO.


Isn't that why people write books, to give information , if you don't want it, don't read them .

It is good Henrick is sharing , what he is saying has been lost in most martial arts, and was probably there in most from the beginning, its the catalyst that makes martial arts easy.

[YouKnowWho]

Isn't that why people write books, to give information.

To write a book is different from giving information away for free. People buy your book and pay your money. The money is your reward. Online clip sharing is free. Since there is no reward for it, people may think that you are trying to promote yourself (otherwise why do you want to give information away for free?).

When you buy your iPod, you will not think that Steve Jobs built iPod to "promote himself".

In the western world, if you give your stuff away for free, people will think your stuff is worthless.

[imperialtaichi]

It is good Henrick is sharing , what he is saying has been lost in most martial arts, and was probably there in most from the beginning, its the catalyst that makes martial arts easy.

Robinhood, although I do not agree with Hendrik's approach, I would defend his every right to present his ideas, his literature reviews. And everyone is free to accept or reject his ideas.

I have never criticise his clips, nor his information. But his approach.

My problem with Hendrik is that,
1. he claims the method is proven but refuses to provide evidence, apart from the claim that "people were doing it in 1850" and a few clips with a ball and a wall. To me, that's lying to the audience.
2. Actually, a lot of what Hendrik talks about is correct on a superficial level; after all, a lot of the information was plajiarised from written and downloadable sources. It is NOTHING new nor original, but readily available if you read Chinese. There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG in doing that ONLY if you are honest about it. And unless the person can apply it, use it, demonstrate how to use it, it is like a coulor-blind man trying to describe to others the colours of a rainbow because he read about it. Hendrik had NO formal internal training; it is irresponsible and even dangerous to teach others when you haven't learnt the methods under the guidance of a qualify teacher. And to suck people in by presenting himself as if he knows what's going on is very misleading.
3. The way he criticise others, when he has no idea what others do. He knows nothing about IYTC and KL22, yet he writes about what's lacking in KL22. He criticize Nim Lik and TST when people developed great skills through the TST's line. To me, that is tunnel vision and lack Wude (the ethics of Martial Arts).

Hendrik would be a lot more palatable if he could try to be less repugnant and honest in his approach. You can't really blame others for getting the sh!ts with him.

edit:
don't think what he says was lost in most martial arts; let me take you to a Chinese bookshop and you can buy a bucket of it. A catalyst only works if the teacher has a profound understanding of the subject and can guide you through it. You DON'T want to be lead the wrong path.

[YouKnowWho]

I have never criticise his clips, nor his information. But his approach.

I used to criticise "Hendrik's approach" because I believe TCMA should not be trained "solo". Untill when some MMA guy criticised "TCMA approach" and indicated that TCMA should not be trained without the ground game, I decide I don't want to criticise Hendrik any more.

It makes no sense for a democrate to criticise a republican that he is not liberal enough when a communist also criticises a democrate that he is also not liberal enough.

[Robinhood]

Robinhood, although I do not agree with Hendrik's approach, I would defend his every right to present his ideas, his literature reviews. And everyone is free to accept or reject his ideas.

I have never criticise his clips, nor his information. But his approach.

My problem with Hendrik is that,
1. he claims the method is proven but refuses to provide evidence, apart from the claim that "people were doing it in 1850" and a few clips with a ball and a wall. To me, that's lying to the audience.
2. Actually, a lot of what Hendrik talks about is correct on a superficial level; after all, a lot of the information was plajiarised from written and downloadable sources. It is NOTHING new nor original, but readily available if you read Chinese. There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG in doing that ONLY if you are honest about it. And unless the person can apply it, use it, demonstrate how to use it, it is like a coulor-blind man trying to describe to others the colours of a rainbow because he read about it. Hendrik had NO formal internal training; it is irresponsible and even dangerous to teach others when you haven't learnt the methods under the guidance of a qualify teacher. And to suck people in by presenting himself as if he knows what's going on is very misleading.
3. The way he criticise others, when he has no idea what others do. He knows nothing about IYTC and KL22, yet he writes about what's lacking in KL22. He criticize Nim Lik and TST when people developed great skills through the TST's line. To me, that is tunnel vision and lack Wude (the ethics of Martial Arts).

Hendrik would be a lot more palatable if he could try to be less repugnant and honest in his approach. You can't really blame others for getting the sh!ts with him.

edit:
don't think what he says was lost in most martial arts; let me take you to a Chinese bookshop and you can buy a bucket of it. A catalyst only works if the teacher has a profound understanding of the subject and can guide you through it. You DON'T want to be lead the wrong path.


Yes I agree with you, I am just saying that I don't see to many people trying to explain the core, not that he does a good job of it, or that you could actually learn only by listening to him, but at least it might help people see that power and strength are not the only way to go.

Yes you can find it in many places in Chinese books, I think there are many ways to develop internal , standing is at the top of my list, and even that needs guidance to progress anywhere.

So, yes and I don't know what he said about TST, I know TST really has something.
Me ,K. Chung and a couple of guys took him out to dinner in the early 90's when we were in Hong Kong.

[imperialtaichi]

I respect Hendrik's right to refuse posting clips of actual applications, for whatever reason he decides. It is his choice, no one else's.

But you can't blame others treating him as a charlatan (a person who pretends or claim to have more knowledge or skill than he or she possesses); after all, he does make himself sound grand yet we haven't seen anything.

[imperialtaichi]

Yes I agree with you, I am just saying that I don't see to many people trying to explain the core, not that he does a good job of it, or that you could actually learn only by listening to him, but at least it might help people see that power and strength are not the only way to go.

Well, actually there are many great teachers who would explain the core, but mostly in a humble and tolerant manner. Most people won't blatantly self-promote.

[Robinhood]

I respect Hendrik's right to refuse posting clips of actual applications, for whatever reason he decides. It is his choice, no one else's.

But you can't blame others treating him as a charlatan (a person who pretends or claim to have more knowledge or skill than he or she possesses); after all, he does make himself sound grand yet we haven't seen anything.

Well I have not seen him say anything wrong yet. How well he can drive the car is not important , everyone needs to learn how to drive themselves by practicing driving.

I think having something drivable is more important than not having something.

[Robinhood]

Well, actually there are many great teachers who would explain the core, but mostly in a humble and tolerant manner. Most people won't blatantly self-promote.

Well for the people who don't, ......

[imperialtaichi]

Well I have not seen him say anything wrong yet. How well he can drive the car is not important , everyone needs to learn how to drive themselves by practicing driving.

Actually, it is VERY important! Would you send your son to learn driving from an instructor who can't drive? but had only read about driving?

Bad habits, bad assumptions, bad mindsets created by an irresponsible instructor takes years to correct.

[Robinhood]

Actually, it is VERY important! Would you send your son to learn driving from an instructor who can't drive? but had only read about driving?

Bad habits, bad assumptions, bad mindsets created by an irresponsible instructor takes years to correct.


I don't see him trying to teach how to drive car,...to me it looks like he is teaching how to build the car.

But still, he is not charging money and having a bunch of students. It is only for education of theory.

[Hendrik]

1. he claims the method is proven but refuses to provide evidence, apart from the claim that "people were doing it in 1850" and a few clips with a ball and a wall. To me, that's lying to the audience. ----------------


This is an accusation which based on not willing to read my reply, As close as yesterday's many replies such as

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216143&postcount=61

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216186&postcount=86

Sure, the ancient doesn't have yoga ball but what is that got to do with how one handle the body mechanics ? An wck inch Jin via snap wrist in 1850 and an inch Jin today the same body mechanics is body mechanics.


You are exactly as Ykw says, a person who asked a first question, then not listen to the answer but continous to asked the second . Then make accusation as you like because you have made up your mind.







2. Actually, a lot of what Hendrik talks about is correct on a superficial level; after all, a lot of the information was plajiarised from written and downloadable sources. It is NOTHING new nor original, but readily available if you read Chinese. There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG in doing that ONLY if you are honest about it. And unless the person can apply it, use it, demonstrate how to use it, it is like a coulor-blind man trying to describe to others the colours of a rainbow because he read about it.

Hendrik had NO formal internal training; it is irresponsible and even dangerous to teach others when you haven't learnt the methods under the guidance of a qualify teacher. And to suck people in by presenting himself as if he knows what's going on is very misleading.-------



If it is as you say, it will never end up with these

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/TwoFishesTCC/22773985
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216394&postcount=132

Real internal artists in Asia is not blind.

As for internal training, I have or I don't, get a real internal master and go through my utube to check out. Hahaha.










3. The way he criticise others, when he has no idea what others do. He knows nothing about IYTC and KL22, yet he writes about what's lacking in KL22. He criticize Nim Lik and TST when people developed great skills through the TST's line. To me, that is tunnel vision and lack Wude (the ethics of Martial Arts). --------


I point out directly, that you are using yang taichi body to present your so called kl22 wck inch power , that is a fact. When is Leung jan import taiji into WCK?

I point out with reason TST's so called nim Lik is misleading and not accord to Chinese terminology.

How is that no wude or ethics of martial arts? Pointing specifically on the issue.

How is your wude making false accusation on me above, in fact you are the one who practice what you accuse me of by evidence.





Hendrik would be a lot more palatable if he could try to be less repugnant and honest in his approach. You can't really blame others for getting the sh!ts with him. -------

I cite kuen kuit , I cite history, I cite other WCK masters utubes, if you choose not to see it or listen then that is your issue not mine. My youtubes and article published in public magazine are all prove to be examined.



edit:
don't think what he says was lost in most martial arts; let me take you to a Chinese bookshop and you can buy a bucket of it. A catalyst only works if the teacher has a profound understanding of the subject and can guide you through it. You DON'T want to be lead the wrong path. ------


In your YouTube, you use yang taiji body to show as WCK inch power, you can't even breath in your kl22 utube when any internal martial artis would have cultivate lower abs breathing, you can't even heat up your dan dien, not to mention evoke the flow of the medirians. So, what give you the upper hand trying to do false accusation on me?

Look, can you do it? The basic, enter into silence, heat up the Dan dien, run the medirians, using different type of wck Jin mechanics? You can't. Any one who has qigong can read your body signature .

in my humble opinion, you are a taiji guy doing WCK. You don't have qigong and don't know the WCK Jin which is adapt from white crane of fujian and emei 12 zhuang the mother art of slt. You don't even do siu Lin tau. So, go investigate, instead of false accuse me on lying or have no internal training.


I am open with any internal masters to investigate and critics myself, my utubes are open in the public. I don't claim I am good at it, but I do know I know the basic properly.

[imperialtaichi]

1. he claims the method is proven but refuses to provide evidence, apart from the claim that "people were doing it in 1850" and a few clips with a ball and a wall. To me, that's lying to the audience. ----------------


This is an accusation which based on not willing to read my reply, As close as yesterday's many replies such as

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216143&postcount=61

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216186&postcount=86

Sure, the ancient doesn't have yoga ball but what is that got to do with how one handle the body mechanics ? An wck inch Jin via snap wrist in 1850 and an inch Jin today the same body mechanics is body mechanics.


You are exactly as Ykw says, a person who asked a first question, then not listen to the answer but continous to asked the second . Then make accusation as you like because you have made up your mind.







2. Actually, a lot of what Hendrik talks about is correct on a superficial level; after all, a lot of the information was plajiarised from written and downloadable sources. It is NOTHING new nor original, but readily available if you read Chinese. There is absolutely NOTHING WRONG in doing that ONLY if you are honest about it. And unless the person can apply it, use it, demonstrate how to use it, it is like a coulor-blind man trying to describe to others the colours of a rainbow because he read about it.

Hendrik had NO formal internal training; it is irresponsible and even dangerous to teach others when you haven't learnt the methods under the guidance of a qualify teacher. And to suck people in by presenting himself as if he knows what's going on is very misleading.-------



If it is as you say, it will never end up with these

http://www.wretch.cc/blog/TwoFishesTCC/22773985
http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216394&postcount=132

Real internal artists in Asia is not blind.

As for internal training, I have or I don't, get a real internal master and go through my utube to check out. Hahaha.










3. The way he criticise others, when he has no idea what others do. He knows nothing about IYTC and KL22, yet he writes about what's lacking in KL22. He criticize Nim Lik and TST when people developed great skills through the TST's line. To me, that is tunnel vision and lack Wude (the ethics of Martial Arts). --------


I point out directly, that you are using yang taichi body to present your so called kl22 wck inch power , that is a fact. When is Leung jan import taiji into WCK?

I point out with reason TST's so called nim Lik is misleading and not accord to Chinese terminology.

How is that no wude or ethics of martial arts? Pointing specifically on the issue.

How is your wude making false accusation on me above, in fact you are the one who practice what you accuse me of by evidence.





Hendrik would be a lot more palatable if he could try to be less repugnant and honest in his approach. You can't really blame others for getting the sh!ts with him. -------

I cite kuen kuit , I cite history, I cite other WCK masters utubes, if you choose not to see it or listen then that is your issue not mine. My youtubes and article published in public magazine are all prove to be examined.



edit:
don't think what he says was lost in most martial arts; let me take you to a Chinese bookshop and you can buy a bucket of it. A catalyst only works if the teacher has a profound understanding of the subject and can guide you through it. You DON'T want to be lead the wrong path. ------


In your YouTube, you use yang taiji body to show as WCK inch power, you can't even breath in your kl22 utube when any internal martial artis would have cultivate lower abs breathing, you can't even heat up your dan dien, not to mention evoke the flow of the medirians. So, what give you the upper hand trying to do false accusation on me?

Look, can you do it? The basic, enter into silence, heat up the Dan dien, run the medirians, using different type of wck Jin mechanics? You can't. Any one who has qigong can read your body signature .

in my humble opinion, you are a taiji guy doing WCK. You don't have qigong and don't know the WCK Jin which is adapt from white crane of fujian and emei 12 zhuang the mother art of slt. You don't even do siu Lin tau. So, go investigate, instead of false accuse me on lying or have no internal training.


I am open with any internal masters to investigate and critics myself, my utubes are open in the public. I don't claim I am good at it, but I do know I know the basic properly.

How would you know what I can't do? How would you know what is in IYTC and what is in KL22?

Oh, wait, I am open to cross hands with people... and you?
I am honest about what I can do and what I can't do... and you?
I can openly tell people who my teachers are, where my instructions came from.... and you?

While you have one asian internal guy quoting you, I was getting hands on instructions from internal masters.

All the words in the world are not going to make you what you are not.

[imperialtaichi]

Look, Hendrik, I keep saying you have every right to post any clips you want, or don't want.

I never wanted to have an argument with you, but everytime I start general non-personal statements not directed at you, you just start attacking me, smearing my Wing Chun, even TST.

If you treat others with respect, others will respect you as well. It's called karma. And your message will be more palatable.

[Hendrik]

How would you know what I can't do? How would you know what is in IYTC and what is in KL22? -------

Your utubes shows who you are.



Oh, wait, I am open to cross hands with people... and you? -----

That is your choice. I dont have to tell you mine.




I am honest about what I can do and what I can't do... and you? ------

In my utubes, what one see is what one get.




I can openly tell people who my teachers are, where my instructions came from.... and you? ------

I don't do name dropping in public. My utubes show who am I.




While you have one asian internal guy quoting you, I was getting hands on instructions from internal masters. -------


Good for you, but it doesn't mean others doesn't have it , in equal and better.




All the words in the world are not going to make you what you are not.--------

Utube is a fair thing, it shows who one really is, the experts always can scan one to know . One is naked technically in the YouTube, others can scan one to learn the details.

But then, only the experts knows where and what to look .

[Hendrik]

Look, Hendrik, I keep saying you have every right to post any clips you want, or don't want.

I never wanted to have an argument with you, but everytime I start general non-personal statements not directed at you, you just start attacking me, smearing my Wing Chun, even TST.

If you treat others with respect, others will respect you as well. It's called karma. And your message will be more palatable.



I don't smear you. I careless on others art.

I ask you the question of why yang taichi body in a technical discussion.

As for Tst, it is Navin asked me in this forum on my view on nim Lik demo.


I am open to have my YouTube questions technically.

[imperialtaichi]

Oh, wait, I am open to cross hands with people... and you? -----

That is your choice. I dont have to tell you mine.




I am honest about what I can do and what I can't do... and you? ------

In my utubes, what one see is what one get.




I can openly tell people who my teachers are, where my instructions came from.... and you? ------

I don't do name dropping in public. My utubes show who am I.




While you have one asian internal guy quoting you, I was getting hands on instructions from internal masters. -------


Good for you, but it doesn't mean others doesn't have it and better.




All the words in the world are not going to make you what you are not.--------

Utube is a fair thing, it shows who one really is, the experts always can scan one to know . One is naked technically in the YouTube, others can scan one to learn the details.

But then, only the experts knows where and what to look .

Haha, I agree with you in all terms. YouTube really shows who you are.

[Hendrik]

Haha, I agree with you in all terms. YouTube really shows who you are.

Sure.

But you don't know how to read me. That I know from your posts towards me.
Everything is a two way communication , nothing can be hide.

[Hendrik]

Sometimes people makes false accusation on me , not knowing my background.

This is one of my utube, for those who is interested on my learning can figure out alots with this utube. Am I just reading books or I stood on many giants shoulder in order just to design the yik kam transform. As I mention, what you see is what you get.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV8OwNM2MCw

This is my sigung Ma li tang who I introduce in the utube.
http://baike.baidu.com/view/67463.htm

If you want big name, Ma is a big name in tcma 1930, that era where you see in the recent Ipman grandmaster movie. This is a real guy who link with many big names in tcma in norther china.

Why I only bring him up in the healing sound utube? Because I value healing much more then martial art fighting or win lost. Lost is ok but help other to have a healthy body is first priority. there is no point to drop names at all and real art always come with trackable transmission. In this case the six healing sounds I have learn come with a transmission .

[imperialtaichi]

I don't smear you. I careless on others art.

I ask you the question of why yang taichi body in a technical discussion.

As for Tst, it is Navin asked me in this forum on my view on nim Lik demo.


I am open to have my YouTube questions technically.

1. You have NO idea what's in KL22 power generating methods. Your impression is based on ignorance. Funny how you know NOTHING about KL22 yet comment on what I am using, repeatedly. *Yawn. Please find something new to talk about.

2. regarding Nim Lik and TST. You don't critize what you don't understand openly unless you can show evidence that you can do better (which you cannot). Even if you can do better, show a little respect. It's called Wu De. And dragging Navin into it only makes you look weak.

[Hendrik]

1. You have NO idea what's in KL22 power generating methods. Your impression is based on ignorance. Funny how you know NOTHING about KL22 yet comment on what I am using, repeatedly. *Yawn. Please find something new to talk about.

2. regarding Nim Lik and TST. You don't critize what you don't understand openly unless you can show evidence that you can do better (which you cannot). Even if you can do better, show a little respect. It's called Wu De. And dragging Navin into it only makes you look weak.


1, Navin ,

See until today these people hates me. Hahaha




2, I have no idea on kl22.
But I can read and do know it is not WCK siu Lin tau core type of engine but yang taiji player body. Also, please do not assume others is ignorance.



3. Btw. I analyze Tst nim lik, and if anyone disagree with me can always give me a good reason technically, instead of attacking me. Upto now, no one Come up with a technical reason.

[imperialtaichi]

This is my sigung Ma li tang who I introduce in the utube.
http://baike.baidu.com/view/67463.htm

If you want big name, Ma is a big name in tcma 1930, that era where you see in the recent Ipman grandmaster movie. This is a real guy who link with many big names in tcma in norther china.

Wow, late GM Ma, great man. I totally respect.

He would have, I guess, at least 1000 grand-students (please correct me anyone)? And your relationship with him was like, how? So you got hands on, indoor instructions from him?

[Hendrik]

Wow, late GM Ma, great man. I totally respect.

He would have, I guess, at least 1000 grand-students (please correct me anyone)? And your relationship with him was like, how? So you got hands on, indoor instructions from him?

I might be the 10000 grand students but Atleast I know what and how a good players perform.

How do your perform rank? Hahaha, even if your sifu is Yang Lu chan, I would say hahaha.

You can't even breath. Take a look at your utube, totally sufforcated. Hahaha, there goes your claim on internal formal training. How come a person claim to be getting good instruction sufforcated? Stop breathing? Forcefully in breathing?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPkVTBGyCPM

[Hendrik]

John,

This is another sifu of mine, Gm jixingli


• Li studied Qigong Therapy under the famous Qigong cancer specialist, Guo Lin.
• Li studied Martial Arts Qigong, “Da Cheng Quan” under the nationally famous exponent, Wang Xuan Jie.

Who also do research with USA university .


http://www.naturalhealingcenter.com/creative/jixingli.htm


So, you know, I might be the worst student, but I have seen these proffesional and how scientific come into pictures.

compare with my sifus, the student of Ma li Tang , Gm li Ji Xing, ....ect from yee chuan to Xing yi to.....ect. Sorry, you are not there yet .




In addition,

This is my taiji Jin sifu
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w0IytSgC2Jc

So, hahaha, I am a bad or worst stundent, but I have seen the pro.



I can go on and on for my 40 years of journey. Hahaha. How old are you how many sifus you have? How many hours you practice qi and Jin everyday? Hahaha speak about formal internal training.

[imperialtaichi]

So, hahaha, I am a bad or worst stundent, but I have seen the pro.

Yep, that's all we need to know. Thank you.

This is getting long winded and boring. I might take a nap. Snooze.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CPkVTBGyCPM

Sure looks like Tai Chi to me ;)

[Hendrik]

Thanks for the chat!




Yep, that's all we need to know. Thank you.

This is getting long winded and boring. I might take a nap. Snooze.



Sure looks like Tai Chi to me ;)

[Graham H]

JQigong cancer specialist.

A charlatan rip off merchant in other words :rolleyes:

[Hendrik]

A charlatan rip off merchant in other words :rolleyes:

Nope. There Are things the west doesnt know.

http://www.qigongchinesehealth.com/walking_qigong

[anerlich]

A charlatan rip off merchant in other words :rolleyes:

My thoughts exactly.

[anerlich]

Nope. There Are things the west doesnt know.

http://www.qigongchinesehealth.com/walking_qigong

Unsubstantiated bull$hit.

[anerlich]

I can go on and on for my 40 years of journey.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SKqzayNo4Dk

[GlennR]

Thanks for the chat!

And thanks foe the mindless drone of unsubstantiated garbage.

You should write for mills and boon

So, tell us... Go on humor us for a minute.

Just this once......


What can you DO?

[poulperadieux]

Crounch, Crounch, CROUNCH,


Someone want potato Chips?

[Frost]

Is it me or is it just sad that a grown man who claims to be a martial artist thinks nothing is wrong with making a boring 30 minute video containing only him rambling (scrub that will make countless videos) but when questioned cant make a single clip showing what he is tralkin gabout in any kind of application???…when the feck did chinese martial arts (even wing chun) get this bad?

[poulperadieux]

when u look at Hendrick from the side, he's got what would be typically classified as marked forward head / swayback posture; in other words, really, really out of alignment; now, even though I am a PT, I'm not the "posture police", and in fact, I don't get too carried away about it even w my patients - but frankly, if I saw someone that off vertical, I'd be really concerned about their usage;

so my question is, how can someone so out of alignment presume to discuss body usage, mechanics, etc. and expect others to take him seriously?



That's the problem with Wing Chun exclusive guys who tend to have this form... Look at Yip man on the videos, the same postural problem.

It's a common fact in internal practices, the postural specialisation, that enable to do things in a style, and tend to limit athletic possibilities.

Tai Chi is more physiologic than Wing Chun in the matter, and that's the reason I include Taiji and Baji postural work for myself and my students.


Very good observation.


Look at a guy, you guess how he hurts, and how bad his training and knowledge is.

[Ali. R]

Look at Yip man on the videos, the same postural problem.

Could it have been the possibility of ‘Yip Man’s postural problem was due to the fact that he was dying of throat cancer and less than a year from the time he made those clips?


It's a common fact in internal practices, the postural specialisation, that enable to do things in a style, and tend to limit athletic possibilities.

That’s the first time I’ve heard that, do you mean within mobility?

[Hendrik]

Different people has different posture in different condition. When I just finished my meditation and after ten hours of computer work or when I get sick or i got sloopy, Or i dont practice for a long perior of time, they all will be different.

Follow the guide line but not forcing the body.
I am not the standard but follow the guide line.
Forcing or fixing a posture uncomfortably is causing problem.

Some is more healthy then others, so the healthy one will have a better posture. Some are younger. And younger will have a better posture. One can't talk idealistics when it comes to posture. Some obviously is more lucky then others , that is a reality. It takes time to get better.

The key is how the body is handle with loose and nature try the best to follow the guide line.







Could it have been the possibility of ‘Yip Man’s postural problem was due to the fact that he was dying of throat cancer and less than a year from the time he made those clips?



That’s the first time I’ve heard that, do you mean within mobility?

[Vajramusti]

That's the problem with Wing Chun exclusive guys who tend to have this form... Look at Yip man on the videos, the same postural problem.

It's a common fact in internal practices, the postural specialisation, that enable to do things in a style, and tend to limit athletic possibilities.

Tai Chi is more physiologic than Wing Chun in the matter, and that's the reason I include Taiji and Baji postural work for myself and my students.


Very good observation.


Look at a guy, you guess how he hurts, and how bad his training and knowledge is.
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Baloney!!Hendrik is not Ip man. The commonly shown videos of Ip Man was taken only a very few days before his death when he was almost 80 years old. He was ill in his final years.

[Ali. R]

Some is more healthy then others, so the healthy one will have a better posture. Some are younger. And younger will have a better posture.

This, I do understand a great deal. I was just trying to figure out his observation dealing with the limits of athletic possibilities as pertaining to ‘Yip Man’s wing chun in general.

[Hendrik]

This, I do understand a great deal. I was just trying to figure out his observation dealing with the limits of athletic possibilities as pertaining to ‘Yip Man’s wing chun in general.


That too different in person, if you take Hawkins Cheung, WSL, William Cheung as sample, you can see they are very agile too.

Ipman is old when he took his video.

[Ali. R]

That too different in person, if you take Hawkins Cheung, WSL, William Cheung as sample, you can see they are very agile too

(Including myself)

This too, I do understand a great deal. I was just trying to figure out his observation dealing with the limits of athletic possibilities as pertaining to ‘Yip Man’s wing chun in general.

Take care,

[JPinAZ]

It is good Henrick is sharing , what he is saying has been lost in most martial arts, and was probably there in most from the beginning, its the catalyst that makes martial arts easy.

No, what he is saying is readily found in many other MA's, which is why Hendrik always points to their writings and videos. He's not saying anything new at all, just putting some his warped twist on things that are common knowledge and mixing it into his admitted incomplete WC.

And the rest of it he's simply making up - 'specially the history part. And this is why you have so many people not buying his snake oil as 'fact'. WC is no snake+crane, no matter how many times he mutters on about it..

[Hendrik]

(Including myself)

This too, I do understand a great deal. I was just trying to figure out his observation dealing with the limits of athletic possibilities as pertaining to ‘Yip Man’s wing chun in general.

Take care,


Understood,

I think that is a too general statement on yip man WCK.

[Ali. R]

No, what he is saying is readily found in many other MA's, which is why Hendrik always points to their writings and videos. He's not saying anything new at all.

I don’t understand, Hendrik has admitted to some of the stuff that you guys have questioned, so why continue to beat a dead horse?

And why in the world would the moderator let this continue?

[Vajramusti]

We have gone through some idle idle forum banter.

Ip man basically retired from teaching in 1962. Not everyone had the privilege of touching hands with Ip man himself. Those that did have said that he retained his punch and kick until his final illness.

Ho Kam Ming does not engage in self serving **** chat on the net. He regularly did chi sao with Ip Man. IM's hands always found his target but apparently he had fantastic kicking ability. HKM stayed in close touch with Ip man after finishing learning the bot jam do. He discussed concepts at great length from the period of his formal lessons regularly until IM's death..

HKM went from Maco to HK and visited with Ip man on the day of his death. They were both sad knowing that the end was near. When HKM got back to Macao- Ip Ching called HKM to tell him that IM had just died,

Lots of people "attended" Ip Man's classes which were often taught by assistants. Ip man himself
taught very few people the full curriculum.

HKM like many traditionalists does not attack his contemporaries.

The made up versions like bad money has proloferated.

[Robinhood]

I don’t understand, Hendrik has admitted to some of the stuff that you guys have questioned, so why continue to beat a dead horse?

And why in the world would the moderator let this continue?

Its OK, only same people complaining same thing over and over, trolls trying to start something, they will go away .

[JPinAZ]

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Baloney!!Hendrik is not Ip man. The commonly shown videos of Ip Man was taken only a very few days before his death when he was almost 80 years old. He was ill in his final years.

Great point and very true!
So what's Hendrik's excuse? Oh right: he might have been tired, or just got off work, or sick, or whatever else... and in every single clip too!

Haha, I guess all this baloney he's selling only works in the AM, or if you quit your job and don't do anything all day. And apparently, it has no added health or posture benifits against the normal daily grind like he claims since it clearly isn't working for him!

So, this is the benifits of all his solo wall & ball training?? Poor health and bad gravity & posture? Wow, sign me up - looks and sounds like he really knows what he's talking about :rolleyes:

[poulperadieux]

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Baloney!!Hendrik is not Ip man. The commonly shown videos of Ip Man was taken only a very few days before his death when he was almost 80 years old. He was ill in his final years.


Yeah yeah, cancer and stuff....

But the posture habits are forged during your lifetime, and there's younger ip man photos.

[poulperadieux]

Could it have been the possibility of ‘Yip Man’s postural problem was due to the fact that he was dying of throat cancer and less than a year from the time he made those clips?



That’s the first time I’ve heard that, do you mean within mobility?


One friend of mine, training exclusively the posture for one year by leung sheun lineage standards, tried to resume athletic training. (he runs in the mountains)

He half broke his achille's tendon due to the retraction of some muscular chains that were under used.

It's well described in Christophe Carrio's books, or when reading Myer's anatomy trains and other stuff.

When you train exclusively one chain, you got problems to run or do athletic, or general stuff.


Training wing chun posture exclusively is toxic, and the posture is typical on masters who don't train mabo as well.


You look at yip man on the profile, you see a typical geek posture with a hypotophy of the butt muscles, and the head leaning forward to compensate. Like Jimmy on his youtube video.

[Robinhood]

One friend of mine, training exclusively the posture for one year by leung sheun lineage standards, tried to resume athletic training. (he runs in the mountains)

He half broke his achille's tendon due to the retraction of some muscular chains that were under used.

It's well described in Christophe Carrio's books, or when reading Myer's anatomy trains and other stuff.

When you train exclusively one chain, you got problems to run or do athletic, or general stuff.


Training wing chun posture exclusively is toxic, and the posture is typical on masters who don't train mabo as well.


You look at yip man on the profile, you see a typical geek posture with a hypotophy of the butt muscles, and the head leaning forward to compensate. Like Jimmy on his youtube video.

Well maybe you are doing it wrong, if you don't get results from posture ?, you are probably doing something wrong, trying to copy Yip Man picture will get you no where.

That picture was probably the picture of don't to this.

The posture is to acquire "chi",if you aren't building any "chi" you are are wrong. It is not so you can run from your opponent or have lower center of gravity.

[YouKnowWho]

We should not look at an old man and assume his posture is the correct posture. When you get old, you will have "old men posture" no matter you like it or not.

If you always put your arms behind your back when you walk, you will keep your good structure through your old age.

[Hendrik]

We should not look at an old man and assume his posture is the correct posture. When you get old, you will have "old men posture" no matter you like it or not.

If you always put your arms behind your back when you walk, you will keep your good structure through your old age.


True.

I got into hunch back with my job of long time computer working unconsciously. Take months to correct it, and once a while still has the bad habit shows up, when I am not practicing .

Things get much complicated when one looks at computer six hours a day, the upper body evolve in a not good way . That has to correct lots things. It can be done but not as simple as one solution fits all or standing like a sport model.

[poulperadieux]

don't give away the treasures now! ;)

These are book to read, and not easy.

So maybe treasures to be earned

[poulperadieux]

Well maybe you are doing it wrong, if you don't get results from posture ?, you are probably doing something wrong, trying to copy Yip Man picture will get you no where.

That picture was probably the picture of don't to this.

The posture is to acquire "chi",if you aren't building any "chi" you are are wrong. It is not so you can run from your opponent or have lower center of gravity.


My postural work is cool, thank you.

Read a little on the subject and be more precise on what you want to tell.

[Ali. R]

One friend of mine, training exclusively the posture for one year by leung sheun lineage standards, tried to resume athletic training. (he runs in the mountains)

He half broke his achille's tendon due to the retraction of some muscular chains that were under used.

It's well described in Christophe Carrio's books, or when reading Myer's anatomy trains and other stuff.

When you train exclusively one chain, you got problems to run or do athletic, or general stuff.


Training wing chun posture exclusively is toxic, and the posture is typical on masters who don't train mabo as well.


You look at yip man on the profile, you see a typical geek posture with a hypotophy of the butt muscles, and the head leaning forward to compensate. Like Jimmy on his youtube video.

That’s news to me, I play full court basketball almost every other day and rugby on Sundays, and not to mention boxing training five days a week, and I’m pushing 50 years old, while doing wing chun for over 33 years plus.

I’ve never had a problem with any sickness or anything physical and I haven’t had a cold sense the age of nine.

I guess I’ll be waiting for that stuff to happen via wing chun training.

Thank you very much for the information,

[poulperadieux]

True.

I got into hunch back with my job of long time computer working unconsciously. Take months to correct it, and once a while still has the bad habit shows up, when I am not practicing .

Things get much complicated when one looks at computer six hours a day, the upper body evolve in a not good way . That has to correct lots things. It can be done but not as simple as one solution fits all or standing like a sport model.


That's why, more if you have a computer job, you must train to correct your flaws when you train.


Having a good static, and than dynamic posture is the basic of the basics...

I had a back problem that made me one year to solve by a painful reeducation, so I didn't shoot any video that time.


There a 3 models, basically of postural bad habits, one who teaches people should know to modulate what he teaches to each of his students.

Or else he aggravate or create a back problem.


And one should be able to show what he teaches, that's also the basis.


You teach what you understand, and what you can do.


Understanding only is not a excuse to pretend teaching something.

[Ali. R]

sorry, but the posture you display is not one that is just "sloppy" - the posture u demonstrate is ur general habitus;

after meditation, u should have more alignment, not less - otherwise it means when u r meditating u r doing it in a state of collapse - every teacher i have ever studied with who was worth their salt sat in a position of ease, not collapse;

if u r sitting at a computer for 10 hours without taking time to balance urself periodically, then u r living outside "nature"; no excuse there, especially if u want to raise the wisk...

younger having better alignment is BS, unless u have been working on degrading it - look at BKS Iyengar - the man is in his 90's and has excellent alignment, because he lives his practice;

and while I agree that u shouldn't force "correct" posture, at the same time if u r that off-vertical, u r living in a state of constant strain; u may not realize it a that is ur norm, but from the outside it's glaringly obvious;

anyway, ur evasive "non-answer" pretty much answered my question;

frankly, anyone who is unsure whether or not to follow ur method simply has to look at how u exist in gravity to understand the fruit that will be borne from that tree; u can justify it anyway u like, but the body doesn't lie...

Very goods post, you’ve mention everything but the constellation of bad health, which maybe by no fault of one’s own; simply illness which has and will someday be a part of our lives unless we all continue to stay blessed with health.

And I hope that wouldn’t discourage one from training in their later years in life, and wouldn’t consider one ill-equipped of knowledge and ability from the time they shined like a light within their younger years.

And as our days past, we (all men) will flicker like a match (appearance) in our later years, and I’m getting old. When that happens, would I need to quit (training)?

Take care,

[poulperadieux]

That’s news to me, I play full court basketball almost every other day and rugby on Sundays, and not to mention boxing training five days a week, and I’m pushing 50 years old, while doing wing chun for over 33 years plus.

I’ve never had a problem with any sickness or anything physical and I haven’t had a cold sense the age of nine.

I guess I’ll be waiting for that stuff to happen via wing chun training.

Thank you very much for the information,


Dunno, don't know how you train and what you do...

Don't do diagnostic on forums.

[poulperadieux]

yep; if u read Myer's stuff w/out the proper background u won't get much of anything;

another example of "obvious" information that most won't "get":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FqXqDvUf1g

As I said in my presentation, I was a doctor in another life...

[Hendrik]

I share what I practice as the following.

Also, check with those who does yik kam transform drill one how the drills impove thier static and dynamic structure and breathing...etc

Why do I know those drills works? Because I have gone throught them and get result.

But if one wants to pick at my occasion return of bad habit as what i am behave all time , I am accepting that with open heart.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g77i-pznhtA




That's why, more if you have a computer job, you must train to correct your flaws when you train.


Having a good static, and than dynamic posture is the basic of the basics...

I had a back problem that made me one year to solve by a painful reeducation, so I didn't shoot any video that time.


There a 3 models, basically of postural bad habits, one who teaches people should know to modulate what he teaches to each of his students.

Or else he aggravate or create a back problem.


And one should be able to show what he teaches, that's also the basis.


You teach what you understand, and what you can do.


Understanding only is not a excuse to pretend teaching something.

[Hendrik]

It is always easy to tell a sick person what mistake he mades, it is always easy to play doctor to make comment.

However, to be able to get proper and get well From the bottom of the health is a different story. Those who have never gone through will not know.


Thus, I coin the yik kam transform into the five layers. How the details of each layer and other layers interact needs to be known and handle. And no one is Buddha who can have all five fully align. Not to mention , there are young, old, different people born with different body and mind.

And also, as one likes to think one has all the control, one doesnt. Welcome to the real world. Just take a look how many can heal and totally cure high blood pressure, or almost totally cure? How simple or complex for just such a small thing? Why some has to be in medication all life long?

A too simplify idea is impractical.

Why is Ipman stand in that posture? Because his qi has down to the level of not be able to sustain the erect of the body. The great old man, just using his best to align his body to pass the last art as he can. Structure is simply stuffs when one is healthy or born healthy. For him, he used every balance to just keep him standing,yes , standing, a luxury most have but it has become a luxury for the great old man. It that the structure to model as the model? Of cause not, it is what he try to get across with his best count, because he knows his life is near end. Take a look at how he stops offten to take breath. Learn from his spirit.

Thus, instead of thanking the old man for his last try to keep the art, one keep picking at his structure...etc. that is the sadness of human. As those who is rich will say why the poor doesn't eat meat when they run out of rice.

Don't believe me? Go look at those who do Sitting meditation, if the qi is not full, they can hold their structure but all kind of pain and cannot relax....ect. But, when the qi is full, the spine erect naturally and one enter into silence right away and the body posture take care of itself.


It is a five layers deal. Not a simple standing like a model will solve the issue. The healthy ondition of Bone structure, sinews, muscle, qi, blood, all counts. And also, how easy to correct the deform spine?

So, reality is not what mostly think.

Qi is not hypnotis. Until one get there one doesnt know. To know it one needs to first die, as the daoist say. Only when one hit rock bottom one turn into Phoenix if one is lucky.

[GlennR]

Also, check with those who does yik kam transform drill one how the drills impove thier static and dynamic structure and breathing...etc


Why does TST has such better posture than you if he is doing it wrong??



Why do I know those drills works? Because I have gone throught them and get result.

Like what??
What can you DO?





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g77i-pznhtA[/QUOTE]

[Frost]

That’s news to me, I play full court basketball almost every other day and rugby on Sundays, and not to mention boxing training five days a week, and I’m pushing 50 years old, while doing wing chun for over 33 years plus.

I’ve never had a problem with any sickness or anything physical and I haven’t had a cold sense the age of nine.

I guess I’ll be waiting for that stuff to happen via wing chun training.

Thank you very much for the information,

not being funny but the guy said his friend trained the posture exclusively (which you dont) and the problem happens if you dont do any other training to balance it out.....which (amen) you do so it probably would be news to you:)

[GlennR]

not being funny but the guy said his friend trained the posture exclusively (which you dont) and the problem happens if you dont do any other training to balance it out.....which (amen) you do so it probably would be news to you:)

Yep, spot on Frost.

Its because Ali does a multitude of sports that his posture is good "all round"

[Hendrik]

1. For me, TST nim Lik is the second of the four basic force operation in slt which is called sustain. As in my utube http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aAkvhj06Fw4

There is no mind control magic force but to hold ones body joints to emulate a woodern rod to sustain the force of the pushing end to the support end as in the following utube, the scale demo.


I would not call it nim Lik or mind power. But structure holding. The posture is structure holding in stationary. As for how effective this can be applied in dynamic. I leave it to everyone.


What it is is simple to find out, go to a physics lab and monitor the force trajectory.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z_V5-IUw7s0




2. I practice slt with the five layers resonance while recieving and issuing. As for What and why and how good or bad, I leave it to everyone critics .



Why does TST has such better posture ....


Like what??
What can you DO?





http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g77i-pznhtA[/QUOTE]

[Ali. R]

Yep, spot on Frost.

Its because Ali does a multitude of sports that his posture is good "all round"


I’m very active in different things and I don’t drink or smoke and try not to stay up pass 9:00 pm; while I’ll never eat fried foods; chips are always out of the question and has been sense my teenage years. But will drink water all day every day.

I was a little confused because I thought it was all based on the traditionalist approach of training ‘Yip Man’s wing chun. It just might be that my limbs are strong and without pain because of that fact (what you guys mention).

I’m’ six foot four and a half and my weight fluctuate between: 275 –240lbs, I’m heavier during the winter time; (love my wife’s cooking). The weather has broken here in Kentucky, so now I’m down to 253lbs without all the fat around my beltline (I’m mostly muscle) during the spring and summer.

I guess what I’m saying is, I don’t know anyone that has trained wing chun and been hurt from the stance training all together, first time I’ve heard of that (been teaching for over 25 years). In fact, I don’t know anyone personally that knows or train wing chun outside of my students base, and I’ve taught well over 300/400 students in my lifetime.

[kentchang]

I have been fellowing Hendrik's silly posts for sometime. He behave as if he is some kind of wing chun authority. His claim that Yik Kam is the original WC is ridiculaus. In 1850 Wong Wa Bo, Leung Yi Tai and Dai Fa Min Kam were senior red boat opera members taugh 3 WC forms SNT, CK and BJ. Yik Kam was merry an unknown junior member at that time and only has 1 long form of omie exercise SLT. The story of Yik Kam 's SLT (little exercise) is full of contradiction. Hendrik's disguising Hong Kong snake and crane WC school which also has three forms as Yik Kam's SLT. That makes no sense at all. Even Bruce Lee having learned some WC from Yip Man was inspired to develop JKD. Hendrik, you should not be so arrogant to call Yik Kam mixture of omie, white crane as the original WC. Your ridiculaus claims make no sense and have absolutely no historical substantiation. As the matter of fact, Yik Kam's SLT is much like a version of 1850's JKD instead of the original WC.

[kung fu fighter]

As for Tst, it is Navin asked me in this forum on my view on nim Lik demo.

Navin, See until today these people hates me. Hahaha

3. Btw. I analyze Tst nim lik, and if anyone disagree with me can always give me a good reason technically, instead of attacking me. Upto now, no one Come up with a technical reason


2. regarding Nim Lik and TST. You don't critize what you don't understand openly unless you can show evidence that you can do better (which you cannot). Even if you can do better, show a little respect. It's called Wu De. And dragging Navin into it only makes you look weak.

WOW! One of the problems that i have with this Forum is that very few on here are willing to openly discuss aspects of the wing chun system honestly, but are more concerned with protecting their linages and sifu's reputation.

In regards to the above, i ask Hendrik for his honest opinion of TST's NIM LIK, and she was generious enough to share that with me. I appolize to Hendrik for not asking this question in private.

secondly, After meeting Hendrik, i can honestly say the man is highly skilled and knows alot about alignment and the internal aspects of wck.

Instead of hating on Hendrik, you guys should appreciate the unique perspective that he brings to this forum. I did so by visiting him in order to get a better understanding of his view. If you don't like his approach then just ignore what he says and continue with your own approach. There are so many different peoples approach that you can choose to follow on this forum other than Hendrik's, which is one of the good things about a forum like this.



when u look at Hendrick from the side, he's got what would be typically classified as marked forward head / swayback posture; in other words, really, really out of alignment; now, even though I am a PT, I'm not the "posture police", and in fact, I don't get too carried away about it even w my patients - but frankly, if I saw someone that off vertical, I'd be really concerned about their usage;

so my question is, how can someone so out of alignment presume to discuss body usage, mechanics, etc. and expect others to take him seriously?

I assure you Hendrik has extremely good alignment, when you feel what he is doing directly as I have. Seeing can be decieving at times, the old saying "believe none of what you hear and half of what you see" applies.

[poulperadieux]

Why does TST has such better posture than you if he is doing it wrong??






:rolleyes::rolleyes::D:D:D

[poulperadieux]

I missed that part; what was the nature of ur practice?

Bones, than eyes.

[poulperadieux]

not being funny but the guy said his friend trained the posture exclusively (which you dont) and the problem happens if you dont do any other training to balance it out.....which (amen) you do so it probably would be news to you:)



Yep, that's what I said.

He trained exclusively the stance for one year and accumulated problems.

This stuff must be calibrated for each individual.

Due to the fact that every of my student as a different postural type, they train different basics.

I inspire myself, for that greatly on the fabulous work of Christophe Carrio, but I don't know if he writes in English.

[GlennR]

Instead of hating on Hendrik, you guys should appreciate the unique perspective that he brings to this forum. I did so by visiting him in order to get a better understanding of his view. If you don't like his approach then just ignore what he says and continue with your own approach. There are so many different peoples approach that you can choose to follow on this forum other than Hendrik's, which is one of the good things about a forum like this.

Mate, id suggest you look up "lecturing" and "preaching" in the dictionary as you obviously dont recognize it when you see it.

As most of us have said, a million times over, he can have his opinion but its not fact..... its his opinion... thats it.

You may notice there was a lot of angst with the PB guys but since they've toned it down there's been some reasonable threads.
Why cant Hendrik have the same tone?

[kentchang]

Originally Posted by taai gihk yahn
when u look at Hendrick from the side, he's got what would be typically classified as marked forward head / swayback posture; in other words, really, really out of alignment; now, even though I am a PT, I'm not the "posture police", and in fact, I don't get too carried away about it even w my patients - but frankly, if I saw someone that off vertical, I'd be really concerned about their usage;

so my question is, how can someone so out of alignment presume to discuss body usage, mechanics, etc. and expect others to take him seriously?

People could easily see no WC mechanics there. Could it be another version of the original 1850' JKD?

[GlennR]

2. I practice slt with the five layers resonance while recieving and issuing. As for What and why and how good or bad, I leave it to everyone critics .


If you, or a student of yours, cant use all your theories in practice then your whole system/practice is pointless.

[Hendrik]

Mate, id suggest you look up "lecturing" and "preaching" in the dictionary as you obviously dont recognize it when you see it.

As most of us have said, a million times over, he can have his opinion but its not fact..... its his opinion... thats it.

You may notice there was a lot of angst with the PB guys but since they've toned it down there's been some reasonable threads.
Why cant Hendrik have the same tone?


I stick with technical and not person.

As I have just reply you. It is technical .


http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216748&postcount=218

[Hendrik]

If you, or a student of yours, cant use all your theories in practice then your whole system/practice is pointless.


If I dont know and cannot used it. I would not be able to demo the four force operation, and pointing clearly TST Nim Lik is sustain撐, one of the four. Feel free to go to a physics lab and see if that is the case


Nim Lik is not the internal art recieve 接 and issuing 發yet. Nim Lik state is a state of identifying the change of force path, but not entering change of force flow yet. tcma, these are clearly define.


Btw. You ask about posture, don't forget WCK third level of force change handling is recovery type or biu Ji type. Where the force change handling is directly via chane of force path and change of force flow, or Jin path and Jin flow. No longer rely on a posture holding.


It is all about tools, you want to play with the internal art guys, the four force operation, three types of WCK Jin, and five types of momentum/force handling tools are needed . They have the tools and WCK has it too. And that is the basic of WCK.

[GlennR]

I stick with technical and not person.

As I have just reply you. It is technical .

No, its not technical.

Its a lot of hot air.

You back up your claims with nothing.

No demonstration of you showing the results of your theories.

Youre guessing your stuff will work.......... just guessing

[Robinhood]

No, its not technical.

Its a lot of hot air.

You back up your claims with nothing.

No demonstration of you showing the results of your theories.

Youre guessing your stuff will work.......... just guessing

Like John has said, nothing new, it is written in many books, it is not Henrick's theory , just basic internal development.

[Hendrik]

No, its not technical.

Its a lot of hot air.

You back up your claims with nothing.

No demonstration of you showing the results of your theories.

Youre guessing your stuff will work.......... just guessing


You don't like what I say is fine.

Get Tst to the physics lab, let him do the scale demo wire up. Track the force trajectory. See if his body or posture emulate a rod between the pusher and the scale. If it is , that is called sustain.

That simple.


For those who is interesting in the internal art recieving and issuing.
When track the force trajectory, one will find force path and flow in the body instead of just the pushing point force equal with the scale point. In the internal art, one uses ones intention to lead that flow and use qi to do micro manupulation .

We have the technology today to understand these things now.


And of cause if one is not train in the sustain, recieving, and issuing one will not develop the mechanics and cannot repeat them. That is the development of the WCK snake body, IMHO.

With these type of scientic monitoring system, one can make training very effective and very quickly learn the handling. This is make internal art handling visible and demystify .

[GlennR]

Like John has said, nothing new, it is written in many books, it is not Henrick's theory , just basic internal development.

And as John (imperialtaichi) says..... he's just plucking things out of different styles and histories, mixing it together and coming up with his own theories which he tells all and sundry is fact... and then has the nerve to say other people are doing it wrong according to "1850 WC"

Dont you get how condascending that is?

[anerlich]

Yep, spot on Frost.

Its because Ali does a multitude of sports that his posture is good "all round"

I think that's probably mostly the reason, too.

I am a professional software developer, spend at least 5 days a week in front of the computer. I also have a (probably) congenital L5 spondyliolisthesis with L5 slipped anteriorly over S1.

I had a lot of back pain in my twenties and thirties. Kicking was VERY difficult.

I tried literally a decade of chiropractors, acupuncturists, alexander technique, massage therapy, etc. etc.

In my late thirties I went to a physiotherapist. No referral, just though I'd give it a go. Three months of that, I was basically cured. I can do just about anything physical I want now. I can kick people in the head now with no pain (I have to warm up first, but I am 58).

I don't think I've had any postural problems with the computer work because I've been active as well ... one thing not mentioned which I think is important is that postural work is a 24/7 thing. Doing stance work, qigong, ... won't help much if you don't also WATCH YOUR POSTURE WHILE YOU'RE SITTING IN FRONT OF THE COMPUTER. Take breaks , practice the McKenzie technique for neck and back health while you're taking them (look it up on Google, it's to a large degree just arching your back).

Doing wrestling and jiu jitsu gives your spine a pounding. No one needs a chiropractor to get "adjustments" when you practice these arts. While I'm careful to avoid getting my neck and lower back stacked and cranked during training, I think in many ways this heavier stress on the spine has benefits as well as manageable risks.

Correct weightlifting will help significantly with spinal health (and will demonstrate very quickly if you have good posture, esp. front squats and overhead squats).

In many ways I think this "soft" approach can be counterproductive if over emphasised. We are not jellyfish (or at least, most of us).

Also you can have to much of a good thing. And certainly you can have too much of bad or unproven practices. And what works for one may be counterproductive for another.

[Hendrik]

And as John (imperialtaichi) says..... he's just plucking things out of different styles and histories, mixing it together and coming up with his own theories which he tells all and sundry is fact... and then has the nerve to say other people are doing it wrong according to "1850 WC"

Dont you get how condascending that is?

John can say what he wants .

I just outline what you can bring into the physics lab and cash out. Which you cannot read in any book. But here by me in this WCK forum. Let the law of physics speak.

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216800&postcount=232

[Robinhood]

And as John (imperialtaichi) says..... he's just plucking things out of different styles and histories, mixing it together and coming up with his own theories which he tells all and sundry is fact... and then has the nerve to say other people are doing it wrong according to "1850 WC"

Dont you get how condascending that is?

All styles have the same body in common, all body's work the same way, his theory is no different than what is written in many books, because we all share common body. He did not discover anything new, only describing his view of it.

Now 1850 stuff, sounds like it says same thing as other books, whether you follow 1850 or other books is up to you, still comes out the same product as end result.

[JPinAZ]

WOW! One of the problems that i have with this Forum is that very few on here are willing to openly discuss aspects of the wing chun system honestly, but are more concerned with protecting their linages and sifu's reputation.

You shouldn't talk about Hendrik this way seeing you are friends with him ;)


secondly, After meeting Hendrik, i can honestly say the man is highly skilled and knows alot about alignment and the internal aspects of wck.

It always amazes me what people term as 'skilled' these days.


Instead of hating on Hendrik, you guys should appreciate the unique perspective that he brings to this forum. I did so by visiting him in order to get a better understanding of his view.

Sure, and I've offered to visit him several times to better understnad his view. Like you, I also would much prefer to see things in person than taking someone's word for it, but he wasn't interested. Imagine that :rolleyes:


I assure you Hendrik has extremely good alignment, when you feel what he is doing directly as I have. Seeing can be decieving at times, the old saying "believe none of what you hear and half of what you see" applies.

Well, if his clips are any evidence of this, he hasn't released them yet ;)

Fact is, Hendrik can't show any results from what he is preaching as factually coming from 1850 red boat wc. While what he is talking about is general knowledge borrowed from other systems via books, articles and videos relabled as 1850;s WC, it's disturbingly obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about since he can't make it work himself - he can't even stand up straight! And this is the issue I think many people have - without any proven results besides a bunch of lame excuses, it's all hot air.

BTW, disagreeing with someone that is passing off assumptions, guesses and unproven theories as 'facts' is far from hating. Maybe you are a little too emotionaly invested in his defense to see the difference? Most sane people look for proven results. I guess there are the few who are happy just sipping the koolaid...

[Ali. R]

Doing wrestling and jiu jitsu gives your spine a pounding. No one needs a chiropractor to get "adjustments" when you practice these arts. While I'm careful to avoid getting my neck and lower back stacked and cranked during training, I think in many ways this heavier stress on the spine has benefits as well as manageable risks.

You’re right about the wrestling/judo in which I workout with a student once a week, who’s pretty good at it, but he’s not as quick as I am performing transition, but he’s much stronger then myself, he won’t learn from me unless I roll around with him. I only workout with 200lbs in the reps of 10,9,8 down to one twice a week, and you can feel the energy circulating through the spine, man what a great feeling.

[Hendrik]

Fact is, Hendrik can't show any results from what he is preaching as factually coming from 1850 red boat wc. While what he is talking about is general knowledge borrowed from other systems via books, articles and videos relabled as 1850;s WC, it's disturbingly obvious he doesn't know what he's talking about since he can't make it work himself - he can't even stand up straight! And this is the issue I think many people have - without any proven results besides a bunch of lame excuses, it's all hot air.

.


Feel free to go to the physics lab to find out things based on evidence.

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216803&postcount=235

[GlennR]

John can say what he wants .

I just outline what you can bring into the physics lab and cash out. Which you cannot read in any book. But here by me in this WCK forum. Let the law of physics speak.

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showpost.php?p=1216800&postcount=232

Honestly, are you mentally challenged?

TST has, in person, shown people all the attributes that he is world renowned for.

He shows it (go with me here)........... ON A PERSON.

The question is, after all your waffling and bulls**t .............. CAN YOU????

[GlennR]

All styles have the same body in common, all body's work the same way, his theory is no different than what is written in many books, because we all share common body. He did not discover anything new, only describing his view of it.

Now 1850 stuff, sounds like it says same thing as other books, whether you follow 1850 or other books is up to you, still comes out the same product as end result.

So you think its fine for him to be condascending to all other styles of WC?

[GlennR]

Get Tst to the physics lab, let him do the scale demo wire up. Track the force trajectory. See if his body or posture emulate a rod between the pusher and the scale. If it is , that is called sustain.

That simple.


So if thats required to test you 1850 theories...... how did the 1850 people do it without these measuring devices????

[Hendrik]

So you think its fine for him to be condascending to all other styles of WC?


To make scientific, to describe things as it is got nothing to do with condescending .

[Hendrik]

So if thats required to test you 1850 theories...... how did the 1850 people do it without these measuring devices????

Got nothing to do with any theory, got everything to do with make things scentific and name it appropriately as it is.

[GlennR]

To make scientific, to describe things as it is got nothing to do with condescending .

Its not scientific.

Its you trying in vain to prove your theories from your loungeroom with a ball.

So tell me, what was the outcomes when you tested yourself.

Im sure everyone would like to see the data

[imperialtaichi]

So tell me, what was the outcomes when you tested yourself.

Im sure everyone would like to see the data

I would too.

Most of us test ourselves by crossing hands with others.

To be fair, I would accept Hendrik's test data too; even if it comes from a physics lab. After all, that's what he proposes as scientific and accurate.

[GlennR]

To make scientific, to describe things as it is got nothing to do with condescending .


I would too.

Most of us test ourselves by crossing hands with others.

To be fair, I would accept Hendrik's test data too; even if it comes from a physics lab. After all, that's what he proposes as scientific and accurate.

Yep, lets give him benefit of the doubt.

Show us the data you have got from your testing Hendrik

[Hendrik]

Yep, lets give him benefit of the doubt.

Show us the data you have got from your testing Hendrik

I tell you already how the force trajectory look like for different functions. Tst nim Lik will fit the sustain function pattern.

Notice I am not put down TST in fact he might be happy to see scientific study is possible.

As I suggest in my utube, someone who do phd degree on WCK study might be able to do the experiment and published it. Somedays some one will do it.

Do it on three types of WCK Jin and four types of force operation. Make it a sport science .

[Hendrik]

Hahaha,

You are totally wrong. When people visit me, after I share with them how it feel from me.

I teach them to handle the same thing and practice on the partner who comes with them until they get it. Show them everything clearly and expect them to develop it in a few days.

See, I am not interest as you to show your superiority complex. But , I am interested to let people know, they can do it too. It is not about me, but it is th process of wc ancestors.

I enjoy when others carry on with WCK no matter what is thier lineages. I enjoy more and more people know the art of WCK and be even better then me. Thier progress if I can contribute a little piece , I will be very happy.




ps.
You cannot read me, but I can read you, also, let me tell you a secret, in WCK our bil jee level is no posture holding and play direct to force change flow. The play of Capable of recovery at losing posture , you a Psoedo taiji guy can't imagine what it is.

See, you don't have the technology in the five layers. No qi attainmnent, cant get into silence, You are just a new age guy with big ego thinking you know it all. But never ever get out from the realm of your head. Hahaha

So, stop playing God with big ego and jealousy, and cluless on WCK.

Btw, another secrete. I don't play gravity line, I play with Jin flow and Jin path . Or in physics force change trajectory handling. Force flow like water. Your level is thinking on gravity...etc. that is not even touching the Jin flow Jin path level. Thousand miles away if not coach by some one who knows. So, don't be a frog under the well thinking he sky is as big as the openning of the well.

You might be fixing alignment or living but you are no god and stop playing fortune teller.
Tell me when you can read and open the seven chakras. You know why I know you are full of it?
Because you don't even realize the six healing sound you learn is a made up but putting it as something from god.




no; Hendrick has sh1t alignment, and it's from a perspective that has nothing to do w WC or TCMA at all; and what you are feeling is that when he connects to you, it's because he's probably more balanced when connected to another person than when he stands alone, given that his gravity line is so anterior to his body;



not in this case; I assess (and fix) alignment for a living, so in my case, what I see is mediated by a number of factors about which you have no idea; in this case, you have no idea what you are seeing, whereas I can probably tell you more about Hendrick then he knows about himself (not that he would care to listen);

[Robinhood]

no; Hendrick has sh1t alignment, and it's from a perspective that has nothing to do w WC or TCMA at all; and what you are feeling is that when he connects to you, it's because he's probably more balanced when connected to another person than when he stands alone, given that his gravity line is so anterior to his body;



not in this case; I assess (and fix) alignment for a living, so in my case, what I see is mediated by a number of factors about which you have no idea; in this case, you have no idea what you are seeing, whereas I can probably tell you more about Hendrick then he knows about himself (not that he would care to listen);

Lol....I don't think chiropractor and bone ailment gives you any credible judgement in martial art field, otherwise all chiropractors and doctors would be martial arts masters.

I would stick to your exam table , and not try to read more into it than you can really see

[Hendrik]

Lol....I don't think chiropractor and bone ailment gives you any credible judgement in martial art field, otherwise all chiropractors and doctors would be martial arts masters.

I would stick to your exam table , and not try to read more into it than you can really see

He doesnt even know about Jin path and Jin flow, and WCK bil jee teaching of beyond posture . But basic taiji gravity stuffs.

Sorry, I might get too strong toward him on my post above. But, he really needs to open his eyes and stop playing god.


My believe is simple when people visited me, it is not about me, but him, when he leaves my home I would like him to be better then when he comes in. He is the one defeat his past Him and win. I am just sharing something.

[Robinhood]

He doesnt even know about Jin path and Jin flow, and WCK bil jee teaching of beyond posture . But basic taiji gravity stuffs.

Sorry, I might get too strong toward him on my post above. But, he really needs to open his eyes and stop playing god.


I agree with you there, he is pretty full of himself .

His video of his sets already shows his level, but it is what it is.

Nothing wrong with Tai Chi if done with right energy.

[Hendrik]

I agree with you there, he is pretty full of himself .

His video of his sets already shows his level, but it is what it is.

Where is his video?

I show my slt practice utube as I practice with all five layers.
now I like to see his .

[GlennR]

I tell you already how the force trajectory look like for different functions. Tst nim Lik will fit the sustain function pattern.


You can tell me all you like........ where is the DATA?????


Notice I am not put down TST in fact he might be happy to see scientific study is possible.

I think he's content with what he does


As I suggest in my utube, someone who do phd degree on WCK study might be able to do the experiment and published it. Somedays some one will do it.

So let me get this right. You are telling us that your theories are "scientific fact", but no one (including you)has done the experiment
How is this a fact then???


Do it on three types of WCK Jin and four types of force operation. Make it a sport science .


Ahhh, so there hasnt been an experiment... how do you claim it is fact then??

[Robinhood]

Where is his video?

I show my slt practice utube as I practice with all five layers.
now I like to see his .

Here


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEcUHKuSHNI&feature=youtu.be

I guess it is tai chi, looks like bad modern dance to me.