Power Generation

[Daredevil]

I'm wondering about the method of power generation in Mantis styles. I'm not very familiar with the styles, which is why I'm asking of course. Also, if the methods differ greatly from style to style, excuse my ignorance, but speak out about what you know.

What body mechanics are used to generate force? See the thread "Hard and Soft Styles" on the main board for a discussion about the kinds of details I'm looking for.

Also, what types of power/jings are present in Mantis? Ie. twisting power, etc.

Thanks for any insights!

[Mantis9]

Good Post. Finally, a reason to respond!Thank you, Daredevil.

I'll try my best to answer your question. In PM, we have what is called "linking energy" or "one muscle" movement when executing a technique. Simply, the power behind a punch, dao, or any technique is generated by the whole body, hence "one muscle" movement. For example, a punch starts at the feet, to the legs, the waist, chest, shoulders, arms, and finally fist; creating torque which delivers and returns the technique.

I hope that helps and isn't too confusing.

[Daredevil]

My pleasure. :)

Cool. I think most CMA have that trait, in one form or another. The power used is more holistic. Of course, in its own way, even western boxing generates power from the ground up, but the gimmicks may differ.

How is this "linking energy" achieved in the techniques?

As an example from another style, in Baji, a punch is driven by the waist, resulting from a turning of the waist/kua, thus using the whole body's momentum against the opponent. You can see the mechanics in action by watching the feet ; for example, in a "cat stance", the empty leg does a small fidgety movement because of it or you can see a small movement of the heel in a horse stance.

Hmm, well, that's a pretty hard thing to explain, .. something much easier to show than describe.

I think in most styles, relaxation is probably the first key to getting it. Otherwise, the energy will be blocked at some point.

[Daredevil]

Though many styles share the basic idea of full body power, the details and exact mechanics differ, but they're interesting as hell to contemplate. S'why I'm asking.

[Mantis9]

Your right. It is much easier to demonstrate and hard the describe with words. I'll give it a shot.

Picture the famous mantis hook. With that technique say I snag an opponent's straight jab. Then I would create torque from my waist, using my leg for stability and positioning. At the same time, use the same motion of my body I deliver a striking technique.

If by chance, my opponent would pull me instead, that would work as well. I could use their torque as well as mine.

[EARTH DRAGON]

one thing about mantis is power can be matched by power but nothing can match speed!
that is the difference between us and other stlyes we are lighting fast in our counters as well as our attacks

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[SantaClaus]

that was lame as hell ED. You'd think with hsing I influence there would be some power generation in 8step, probably you just don't know it.

[EARTH DRAGON]

Dont know what? I can assure you that when it comes to 8 step I am pretty much knowledgable in every aspect of our system. I have devoted 11 years of my life in learning and now teaching ba bu so I am not quite sure what you mean when you said that?
Our power comes from speed in our techniques. That means speed IS power dont you agree?
as for hsingI influence please elaborate your understanding of what part has influenced 8step?

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[SantaClaus]

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[nobody]

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[SantaClaus]

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[Daredevil]

It would be nice to see this thread stay on topic, guys. :)

Anyway .. as for speed -- I'm pretty sure that's the method in most systems, but you have to drive that speed along a certain pathway to maximize its effectiveness. You find the pathway (the power generation method), then complete the movement with relaxed speed (not tense muscular effort). Well, that's my understanding of Baji's method.

Maybe I'm looking for something that doesn't exist. Maybe the method is different, since Baji is so influenced by internal principles like this.

[EARTH DRAGON]

to comment on what you said
Anyway .. as for speed -- I'm pretty sure that's the method in most systems,

however it is not. Some systems like hung gar rely on hard feroicous attacks, white crane uses agility and balance, the snake on deceptiveness and the mantis uses speed. Every stlye has characteristics and their way of generating power. Tiger from low stances and quick thrusts, crane from cross attacking. mantis does rely on creating jing but I do beleive that most CMA do so that is why I started talking about speed becuse as far as I know mantis is the quickest, not the fastest or most powerful but speed is a main praying mantis characteristic.

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[EARTH DRAGON]

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[Daredevil]

Hmm, okay, in the interests of keeping this thread alive, so what're the ways the speed is specifically manifested/trained? In a way you could say anyone can train for speed, but what makes the Mantis approach special in this regard?

"When Pigua is added to Baji, gods and demons will all be terrified.
When Baji is added to Pigua, heroes will sigh knowing they are no match against it."

[EARTH DRAGON]

I am not saying that not everyone trains for speed for it is the most important thing when applying techniques, but mantis pays particular attention to moving quicker than that of their opponent. hung gar for instance depends more on power than speed so they emphasize harder thrusts rather than faster thrusts. bruce lee was amazed by the power of speed, he would often practice with electrical shock to increase his speed to become more powerful. this is obviously an extreem way of traning but there are many ways to train speed that are not so brutal. But as far a s mantis we are not that powerful when attacking so we rely on speed, trapping and seizing. If we were slower than that of our opponents we would have a much harder time trapping due to the split second timming it requires.

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