GSP and Nazi Sympathizers

[Kellen Bassette]

Apparently some people are offended by the Rising Sun gi GSP wore. I actually made a rising sun head band for a tournament as a teenager. I was unaware of the political significance it carried.

Not sure it would have bothered me anyway...you expect to see confederate flags at a southern rock concert, doesn't mean they're all a bunch of racists. Only 40% of them. :p

I'm sure he was just paying homage to his Japanese Karate.

http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/mma-cagewriter/korean-zombie-asks-georges-st-pierre-stop-wearing-164004367--mma.html

[Kellen Bassette]

Blast! I can't edit my atrocious spelling error in the head line. How embarrassing...

[GeneChing]

You can thank me by buying a dozen of these: Banzai headbands (http://www.martialartsmart.com/75-64.html)


:eek:


:o


;)

[gunbeatskroty]

Doesn't the Rising Sun flag signifies Japan's kicking ass all over, virtually, all of Asia through raping, plundering and pillaging....in recent retrospect? Somewhat equivalent to the Swastika.

[YouKnowWho]

The raising sun flag just remind people about this: :mad: :mad: :mad:

http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=nanking+killing&qpvt=nanking+killing&FORM=IGRE

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=nanking+killing&view=detail&mid=0ED054C3124590BAB4670ED054C3124590BAB467&first=0&FORM=NVPFVR

http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Nanking+Massacre+Forgotten+Holocaust&view=detail&mid=26E34971C2AD17DB0B5026E34971C2AD17DB0B50&first=0&FORM=NVPFVR

[Jimbo]

I don't think anyone should be able to demand GSP not wear it, but if it were me I would certainly take that request under consideration. If it evokes feelings in the same way the nazi swastika does. And my ancestry is Japanese (with a heavy dose of Ainu blood; the Ainu were historically discriminated against and heavily suppressed by the majority Yayoi Japanese). Better to switch his uniform design to the regular Japanese flag.

[pazman]

Another reason why people shouldn't wear flags on their uniforms, or hang them in their gym.

[Jimbo]

Another reason why people shouldn't wear flags on their uniforms, or hang them in their gym.

Yeah, I wouldn't even want an American flag on my uniform, much less any other country's flag. I know many like to pay tribute to the country their art came from, or national pride, but I never liked the idea of flags on my MA uniform.

[Kellen Bassette]

You can thank me by buying a dozen of these: Banzai headbands (http://www.martialartsmart.com/75-64.html)


Thanks Gene...yours sure look a lot better than the one I hand painted :P

[gunbeatskroty]

Seems like the level of offense is based upon how vocal those who were wronged, are. Like the Jews made sure that the world knows and remembers what the Nazis did to them, and rightfully so. Not only has the Swastika been removed from the realm of good taste, but most men worldwide wouldn't even dare grow a Hitler moustache nor name their kid Adolf. While the Japanese caused about the same amount of deaths and destruction throughout Asia at that time...just that the Asians aren't anywhere close to being as vocal as the Jews.

[Ben Gash]

Yes they are, they just have less exposure in the West. There were anti-Japanese riots in China last year over Japan's lack of contrition for it's wartime activities (there were contemporary political issues that fueled this too).

[Kellen Bassette]

Possibly America's friendship with Israel and the prominence Jewish people have in some important industries here may play a role? Perhaps that's part of the reason we are so much more knowledgeable of the holocaust than other similar events?

[Jimbo]

I would also list Hollywood as a big reason. There are countless Hollywood films, and there have also been TV mini-series depicting the Holocaust. I won't go into the obvious reasons why. Of course, there are countless, probably even more, Chinese, Korean, etc., movies depicting the atrocities committed by Imperial Japanese troops, but of course these aren't so well-known nor as popular in the West.

FWIW, I think the Japanese government should have made a formal apology a long time ago, and done its best to make restitutions to survivors. But this continuing to blame Japanese people as a whole by some (many) in Asia is really tired and played out. NO country or group has clean hands in regards to committing atrocities and whitewashing/denying it.

[Pork Chop]

FWIW, I think the Japanese government should have made a formal apology a long time ago, and done its best to make restitutions to survivors. But this continuing to blame Japanese people as a whole by some (many) in Asia is really tired and played out. NO country or group has clean hands in regards to committing atrocities and whitewashing/denying it.

They've apologized numerous times, it just appears that none of the apologies have ever been good enough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

[Ben Gash]

They've apologized numerous times, it just appears that none of the apologies have ever been good enough.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_war_apology_statements_issued_by_Japan

The final section of that article explains why.

[gunbeatskroty]

FWIW, I think the Japanese government should have made a formal apology a long time ago, and done its best to make restitutions to survivors. But this continuing to blame Japanese people as a whole by some (many) in Asia is really tired and played out. NO country or group has clean hands in regards to committing atrocities and whitewashing/denying it.

Very true, although you have to admit that the Japanese are pretty badass with their refusal to apologize and to also commemorate their Rising Sun warriors.

War is war, and they don't take it personal. But then, they shouldn't be crying about those 2 nukes dropped on them neither (and the 6-8 more nukes that were being prepared to come right after, had they not surrendered).

And they were pretty lucky that it was the Americans who popped Hiroshima and Nagasaki....and then occupied and rebuilt their country. Imagine if it were the Russians (seeing what they did right afterward with Eastern Europe) or the Chinese, who's got a bone to pick...a really big bone.

[pazman]

The final section of that article explains why.

So some mis-translations and a non-existent text book problem are what's providing all the butt-hurt? While I would say the Japanese leadership and right-wing elements don't help the situation, and there are a lot of other things the Japanese should accountable for, to say they haven't issued apologies or given out reparations is a lie.

[YouKnowWho]

When Japan invaded China, the way that Japanese believed was exactly the same as how "some" American believed when US invaded Iraq. Instead of "Bring democracy to Iraq", they believed they "bring prospertity to China."

The invasion is always a bad thing. The wound will never healed.

[mawali]

Like the Jews made sure that the world knows and remembers what the Nazis did to them, and rightfully so. Not only has the Swastika.......just that the Asians aren't anywhere close to being as vocal as the Jews.


Privilege works for some people over others and I am sure if more Asians followed that same route, they would be thought of as being like those "other people" who are always complaining:o

[GeneChing]

...but it was one of our lead GSP threads. I suppose I can change the title if need be, as it's quite dated.

But srsly...no comments about the fight?


Georges St. Pierre claims title from Bisping in comeback fight (http://www.ctvnews.ca/canada/georges-st-pierre-claims-title-from-bisping-in-comeback-fight-1.3664179)

MMA fighter Georges St-Pierre has left the UFC octagon victorious after a 4-year hiatus. Kevin Gallagher reports on his Canadian pride.
W5: GSP Round 2

Georges St-Pierre is one of the greatest fighters in UFC history, but as TSN's Robin Black reports, he is a man of both passion and doubt.

Dan Gelston, The Associated Press
Published Sunday, November 5, 2017 7:44AM EST

NEW YORK -- Georges St. Pierre peered through the blood that washed over his face and locked on a choke hold, a packed house at Madison Square Garden absolutely roaring for "G-S-P!"
St. Pierre tightened his grip until Michael Bisping had no more fight left. Four years after he walked away from UFC for a mental breather, St. Pierre walked out of MSG a champion -- a breathtaking reminder that the Canadian is still one of the best ever inside the octagon.
And he proved it in the main event in one of UFC's all-time great cards.

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Georges St-Pierre, of Canada, celebrates after winning a middleweight title mixed martial arts bout against England's Michael Bisping at UFC 217 early Sunday, Nov. 5, 2017, in New York. (AP Photo/Frank Franklin II)

St. Pierre ended UFC 217 by reasserting himself as a top star in the sport, turning his middleweight championship bout against Bisping into a mismatch Saturday night. The 36-year-old fought like he had only four months off, not four years.
"I don't have words in my mouth right now," GSP said, wiping blood from his face. He went to a hospital after the fight to get stitches on his nose.
St. Pierre's 13th straight UFC victory made it 3 for 3 for the championship challengers in front of 18,201 fans in the promotion's second card at the Garden in 12 months. T.J. Dillashaw won the bantamweight championship for the second time and Rose Namajunas won the strawweight title on the pay-per-view card.
"It's time for a new era in this sport," Namajunas said.
UFC, a promotion at a crossroads with its box office superstars Conor McGregor, Ronda Rousey and Jon Jones on the bench, got a breakthrough outing from Namajunas that stamped her as the face of the women's division.
But UFC needed a blast from the past to ignite the fanbase as it moves toward 2018.
St. Pierre was one of the UFC's marquee names and a legit pay-per-view draw during his long reign atop the 170-pound division, but the Canadian star walked away an MMA legend in November 2013. St. Pierre simply said he needed a break.
Against the trash-talking Bisping, St. Pierre had takedowns in each of the first two rounds. But Bisping busted open St. Pierre's nose, smothering both fighters in blood as they wrestled on the mat before getting up looking like they'd just left the set of a horror film.
St. Pierre (26-2) was red faced when he slapped a rear naked choke at 4:32 of the third to snuff out Bisping and win a belt in his second weight class.
If St. Pierre represents UFC's glory years, Namajunas could be the PPV poster child for the future.
Namajunas brought the MSG crowd to its feet with a stunning victory over undefeated Joanna Jedrzejczyk to win the 115-pound belt.
Namajunas (17-3) used a devastating left that dropped Jedrzejczyk (14-1) and had the crowd in a frenzy in anticipation of a beatdown. Namajunas pounced on Jedrzejczyk with a series of lefts that ended the fight in the first round and perhaps signalled the arrival of a new star. She wagged her tongue and stretched her arms wide as she soaked in the magnitude of her accomplishment.
Namajunas is billed as "Thug" and brought gasps a few years back when she shaved her long, blonde locks in favour of a close-cropped cut. She choked back tears as UFC President Dana White slapped the championship belt over her shoulder and the fans that had booed her on the way into the cage drowned her out with cheers as she spoke about what the victory meant.
The upset not only ended Jedrzejczyk's undefeated run, but she failed to tie Ronda Rousey for the UFC women's record of six straight successful title defences.
Namajunas said that as champ, she wants to skip the brash trash talk that shot McGregor to mainstream stardom and has been imitated throughout UFC, including by the champions Jedrzejczyk, Bisping and Cody Garbrandt leading into the card on Saturday.
"I'm just kind of sick of it. I'm sick of all the hate," Namajunas said. "I feel like we have a duty as fighters to try to be a better example."
White said he doesn't need his stars to talk, especially when they fight like they did at UFC 217.
"People don't come to these fights for the talk, they come for the fights," he said.
Moments after Namajunas won, Dillashaw dropped the undefeated Garbrandt with a right and finished him off in the second round to win the 135-pound championship.
Dillashaw (15-3) stumbled to his stool when he took a shot to the face to end the first. Garbrandt, predicted by many as UFC's next big star, even taunted Dillashaw to the delight of the crowd.
But Dillashaw stunned Garbrandt (11-1) with a high left kick to the head and then a right hook that corkscrewed Garbrandt's body and effectively ended the bout.
"I still am the better fighter out there," Garbrandt said. "I'll show that in the rematch."
Dillashaw won the bantamweight title in 2014 and had two successful defences before he lost the belt to Dominick Cruz in 2016.
Paulo Costa improved to 11-0 with a second-round stoppage over Johny Hendricks and Steven "Wonderboy" Thompson put away Jorge Masvidal by unanimous decision for a much-needed win on the other two bouts on the main card.
UFC needed this kind of night with its three biggest stars on the sideline.
McGregor has not announced any future fights and Rousey spent fight night posting on her social media accounts pictures and video from a video game convention in California. Jones' career remains in limbo as he faces a potential four-year suspension for his latest doping violation.
McGregor, who claims he wants a stake in UFC as a condition to fight, will likely come to terms and compete again, perhaps to complete the trilogy against Nate Diaz.
But UFC could just about hang a "Help Wanted" sign on the cage door as it looks for a new wave of PPV superstars to emerge.
Namajunas busted down the door.
White said despite several stars not fighting, 2017 is shaping up to be the best year in UFC's history "by a long shot," in part buoyed by money the promotion made on the McGregor-Floyd Mayweather boxing match in August.
"It's money that the company made," White said, saying that McGregor would have fought two UFC fights had he not boxed. "You can't take that out."

[Lucas]

Not proud to admit this but I actually got in a fight prior to this match when commenting in a group conversation that I felt it was a no brainer for gsp and I felt confident that he would walk away with the title. One guy commented that gsp would get destroyed. I told the guy that he had no idea what he was talking about and he flipped out and got in my face.. lol I have court tomorrow for this :(

[GeneChing]

I have court tomorrow for this :( srsly? Or is the 'lol' sarcastic? Either way, hope all is alright with you.

[MightyB]

Not proud to admit this but I actually got in a fight prior to this match when commenting in a group conversation that I felt it was a no brainer for gsp and I felt confident that he would walk away with the title. One guy commented that gsp would get destroyed. I told the guy that he had no idea what he was talking about and he flipped out and got in my face.. lol I have court tomorrow for this :(

What was the outcome of the court date? Did you beat the guy's @ss? We need details.