Did Muhammad Ali make use of Diu Ma footwork?

[KungfuCasting]

Hi,

I was just watching a Muhammad Ali boxing match and noticed that he was moving around on his toes allot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzWynvBLJ4I

Could it be that he is making use of Diu Ma Footwork?

thank you very much for the information.


kind regards,

KungfuCasting

[PalmStriker]

He called that his "Float like a butterfly" footwork that he combined with "Sting like a Bee" fist. He liked to rhyme the minds of his opponents. :) He also didn't think highly of CMA Kungfu as displayed in the exhibition match that was set up between himself and a Chinese guy half his size that didn't know anything about sport boxing with boxing rules. This was done to show how TCMA sucks.

[Brule]

He also used the butterfly palm from Hung gar. No one can defense.

[David Jamieson]

I can safely and categorically say, NO.

M.Ali never studied or used any asian martial arts.
He was an American boxer and trained that.
Angelo Dundee was his coach for the most part.

Boxing footwork is high level as some people like to call it.
Heavy weight boxing champion of the world footwork is beyond what us plebs can do. :D

But, no, he didn't use any Asian martial arts whatsoever. That is pure western Boxing.

[pazman]

He called that his "Float like a butterfly" footwork that he combined with "Sting like a Bee" fist. He liked to rhyme the minds of his opponents. :) He also didn't think highly of CMA Kungfu as displayed in the exhibition match that was set up between himself and a Chinese guy half his size that didn't know anything about sport boxing with boxing rules. This was done to show how TCMA sucks.

???? Which comic book did you get this from?

[GeneChing]

...who can name the issue when Muhammad Ali appeared in our magazine? I can give you a hint. It was on page 36. ;)

[David Jamieson]

...who can name the issue when Muhammad Ali appeared in our magazine? I can give you a hint. It was on page 36. ;)

No Fair !!

I'm at work and can't browse my stack!

[Brule]

...who can name the issue when Muhammad Ali appeared in our magazine? I can give you a hint. It was on page 36. ;)

Nov/Dec 2006?

[Kevin73]

Ali did train with George Dillman back in the day and even told reporters that one of his KO punches was a "karate punch". I think it was more for the mystique of the new martial art than any actual usage.

That being said. What works, works. You will find elements of boxing in any martial art that has combat effectiveness. Just as you will find elements of other martial arts in boxing that have combat effectiveness.

It is all just the filter that you are looking at it with. You may see one thing from your kung fu, and someone with a different MA background will see something else and label it, and the boxer will just look at it and call it good boxing.

[GeneChing]

Brule FTW! Very impressive. I salute you, sir!

A photo of Ali appeared in our print version of our 2006 November/December (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=680) cover story, Where Wushu Went Wrong: Wushu's Leading Champion, Zhao Changjun, Extols Traditional (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=679)

[YouKnowWho]

But, no, he didn't use any Asian martial arts whatsoever. That is pure western Boxing.

He used the TCMA "fire" and "water" strategies very well.

Fire (unpredictable footwork) - Move around so your opponent won't be able to predict where you will be next moment.
Water (counter punch) - Vibrate you body to dodge incoming punch and punch back at the same time.

Strategies are strategies. There is no such thing as Asian strategy or western strategy.

[Brule]

Brule FTW! Very impressive. I salute you, sir!

A photo of Ali appeared in our print version of our 2006 November/December (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=680) cover story, Where Wushu Went Wrong: Wushu's Leading Champion, Zhao Changjun, Extols Traditional (http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=679)

Woo hoo!!

How long does it take for you to ship a spear to Canada again? :D

[GeneChing]

Canada has some serious restrictions on weapon imports. We've had a lot of problems with that in the past. You'd have to contact MartialArtsMart.com (http://www.martialartsmart.com/) for more info. :o

How about I get one of my ninjettes to toss a nacho chip into your back instead? ;)

[David Jamieson]

Canada has some serious restrictions on weapon imports. We've had a lot of problems with that in the past. You'd have to contact MartialArtsMart.com (http://www.martialartsmart.com/) for more info. :o

How about I get one of my ninjettes to toss a nacho chip into your back instead? ;)

Watchoo talkin bout? :confused:

You sent me a freaking Halberd man! And a set of wu dip do!
the only issue was the customs charges. Yikes! :eek:

Otherwise, I got mys stuff from you no problem.

[David Jamieson]

Strategies are strategies. There is no such thing as Asian strategy or western strategy.

Very well, tell that to the OP then. He's the one who seems to think there is.

And is it that way the other way round when speaking of someone who is considered a treasure of chinese martial arts? Is it ok to point out that they aren't doing anything particularly different?

I think western boxing as a martial art is as stand alone and stand apart as any martial art. It's not Karate and doesn't use karate strategy or tactics. It's not judo and it doesn't use judo in it's strategy or tactics either.

The training regimen and result is completely different from that of a kung fu practitioner and in a different amount of time too in most instances.

So, strategy? Maybe not, but tactics? Tactics and training methodologies that produce the result are different from art to art,teacher to teacher, student to student, even within standardized systems.

[GeneChing]

You sent me a freaking Halberd man! And a set of wu dip do!
the only issue was the customs charges. Yikes! :eek:

Otherwise, I got mys stuff from you no problem.

Actually, MartialArtsMart.com (http://www.martialartsmart.com/) is based in TN. Kung Fu Tai Chi is in CA. We're different divisions of TC Media Intl. So I don't always know what goes on at that office anymore.

[PalmStriker]

???? Which comic book did you get this from? I'm sixty one, no need for comic books if you were alive at the time, Jr. :D

[PalmStriker]

:)Nobody here ever see the clip of the Chinese fighter laying on the ground, kicking at Ali's legs? (way before video). :confused: I know I don't have to explain "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" or "rope a dope". Or who JFK was.

[David Jamieson]

:)Nobody here ever see the clip of the Chinese fighter laying on the ground, kicking at Ali's legs? (way before video). :confused: I know I don't have to explain "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee or "rope a dope".

Lol. You talking about that ridiculous exhibition match between Bruce Lee and Mohammed Ali?

I'm pretty sure we know who would win that in all fairness.
One guy was a movie star and the other was the freaking heavy weight boxing champion of the world with about 10o pounds on the other.

:p No offense to BL fans, but shhhheeeeeeeyyyyyyiiiit. Come on! COME ON!

[pazman]

:)Nobody here ever see the clip of the Chinese fighter laying on the ground, kicking at Ali's legs? (way before video). :confused: I know I don't have to explain "float like a butterfly, sting like a bee" or "rope a dope". Or who JFK was.

No, nobody saw the fight of Ali versus some kung fu guy, because there wasn't one.

Now you are venturing into the zone of "making **** up" because there was no such match between Ali and a Chinese guy doing CMA.

There was an "exhibition match" between Ali and famous wrestler Antonio Inoki, one in which the rules were set by Ali's camp that didn't allow for any wrestling. Kicks could only be done if one knee was on the ground, thus the ridiculous. Inoki was also nursing a broken leg.

[PalmStriker]

:)http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/nov/11/the-forgotten-story-of-ali-inoki

[pazman]

Lol. You talking about that ridiculous exhibition match between Bruce Lee and Mohammed Ali?

Yeah, I remember that one. The one that never happened. Yeah, that was totally awesome.

[pazman]

:)http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2009/nov/11/the-forgotten-story-of-ali-inoki

Where's the Chinese dude doing kungfu?

[PalmStriker]

Lol. You talking about that ridiculous exhibition match between Bruce Lee and Mohammed Ali?

I'm pretty sure we know who would win that in all fairness.
One guy was a movie star and the other was the freaking heavy weight boxing champion of the world with about 10o pounds on the other.

:p No offense to BL fans, but shhhheeeeeeeyyyyyyiiiit. Come on! COME ON!

Yeah, It was Bruce, :D or the Fillipino guy from "Thriller".

[PalmStriker]

Where's the Chinese dude doing kungfu?
He wasn't doing anything but laying on the ground kicking at the Champs legs while being taunted. :)

[pazman]

Ali never had a fight with a Chinese kung fu guy half his size.

[PalmStriker]

Ali never had a fight with a Chinese kung fu guy half his size.
You are right, it had to be this fight :D , snake engine search fail, my bad! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCWHcuXCLRo

[pazman]

You are right, it had to be this fight :D , snake engine search fail, my bad! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aCWHcuXCLRo



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quQazKRAZYs

Here is a better video. Inoki and Ali ended up become great friends, despite a very strange pro-wrestling match. I think Ali's camp had some serious misunderstanding of Japanese sports culture when attempting to hammer out some rules for the match. Inoki is also a monster. I would've been great to see a real mma match between them.

[Brule]

Canada has some serious restrictions on weapon imports. We've had a lot of problems with that in the past. You'd have to contact MartialArtsMart.com (http://www.martialartsmart.com/) for more info. :o

How about I get one of my ninjettes to toss a nacho chip into your back instead? ;)

I'll take anything I can get.;)

[PalmStriker]

:) http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=M4J7WHiWRKM

[GeneChing]

I'll take anything I can get.;)
I'm all out of hideous Bruce Lee patches. :( If I find any more, I'll send ya one.

[Jimbo]

He wasn't doing anything but laying on the ground kicking at the Champs legs while being taunted. :)

It wasn't a Chinese guy but Antonio Inoki, a pro wrestler from Japan who had also emigrated to Brazil for a time. Inoki was physically at least as big, or bigger, than Ali. The match was pretty bad, but Ali suffered hematomas in his legs from Inoki's kicking him there, and some boxing pundits have felt that that was one of the factors that hastened Ali's decline in the ring.

Reportedly, while preparing for the Inoki match, Ali was at a press conference with karate champ Joe Lewis. Lewis had a background in amateur wrestling, and Ali wanted to see if a wrestler could take him down. Joe Lewis very quickly moved in and took Ali down.

[YouKnowWho]

Could it be that he is making use of Diu Ma Footwork?

Does someone train XingYi system if he stands in a fighting stance with 30% weight on his leading leg?

If you stand

- WC stance, you are vulnerable to "double legs".
- bow-arrow stance (70% weight on leading leg), you are vulnerable to "foot sweep".
- horse stance (50% weight on leading leg), you don't have good mobility.
- 4-6 stance (40% weight on leading leg), you are vulnerable to "single leg".
- empty stance (0% weight on leading leg), you are vulnerable to "ankle pick".

When you put 30% weight on your leading leg is because it's the most logical way to stand. It's not because you train any particular system.

[David Jamieson]

Yeah, I remember that one. The one that never happened. Yeah, that was totally awesome.

Yeah, the one that never happened. That is the best description of it. lol

[Lokhopkuen]

One of my favorite Ali forays into the world or Wrestling http://youtu.be/_Y1Cx0ysQiM:D

[Yum Cha]

One of my favorite Ali forays into the world or Wrestling http://youtu.be/_Y1Cx0ysQiM:D

What a gem!