Traditional training equipment

[Raipizo]

Anyone out there know of any ye olde kung fu training equipment. Okinawan karate has it's own things so I'm sure kung fu has some apparatuses also right? I tried looking on the Internet with little luck. Just looking to add a little spice into my training regime is all.

[Kellen Bassette]

Trees and rocks.

[YouKnowWho]

Traditional training equipment

This subject has been discussed many times in this forum. Just try to do some search.

- belt cracking,
- cane bundle twisting,
- bricks twisting,
- weight pulley,
- single head,
- double heads,
- Gon rotation,
- sand basket lifting,
- cane bundle training,
- pole hanging,
- Bowling ball sccoping,
- stone lock,
- square bag throwing,
- long bag throwing,
- ...

[Raipizo]

Traditional training equipment

This subject has been discussed many times in this forum. Just try to do some search.

- belt cracking,
- cane bundle twisting,
- bricks twisting,
- weight pulley,
- single head,
- double heads,
- Gon rotation,
- sand basket lifting,
- cane bundle training,
- pole hanging,
- Bowling ball sccoping,
- stone lock,
- square bag throwing,
- long bag throwing,
- ...

Tried to, just didn't know the stupid secret question thing. Thanks though.

[YouKnowWho]

I won't go into any detail but the following are ancient CMA training equipment:

- leather belt for cracking.
- brick for finger strength.
- stone lock for swinging.
- square bag for throwing.
- long bag for arm strength.
- single head for leg.
- double heads for arm and body.
- weight puller for pulling.
- bowling ball for foot scoop.
- long cane bundle for techniques.
- short cane bundle for grabbing.
- short wooden stick for grabbing.
- long woodern stick for grabbing.
- weight on the loop for vibration.
- weight on the end of rope for wrist strength.
- big brick for body function.
- Gon for twisting.
- water jar for finger strength.
- tree (or pole) for hanging, shin bitting, sticky, ...
- ...

First you have to decide what skill that you want to enhance. You then pick up the right equipments for that skill. You have to map it backward.

For example, the skill "扣(Kou) - Knee seize" requires 4 different kind of forces. Which will need 4 different equipments to develop from.

1. grip strength - throwing bag,
2. linear shaking - weight pulley.
3. forward pushing - long cane bundle,
4. backward pulling - single head.

Here are some pictures:

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/4540/druml.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img842/5976/stonelock.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img198/6042/jibengong2.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img197/5606/weightpulley2.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img685/5167/singleheadbow.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img717/659/twistshortstick.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img827/8484/weightpulley3.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img694/5728/weightpulley1.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img508/7338/singleheadlegtwist.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img687/1138/earthweight.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img840/8890/singleheadsweep.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img718/1716/singleheadleglift.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img221/1374/singleheadknifehookv.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img577/7338/singleheadlegtwist.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img821/1671/doubleheads.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img19/8387/weightpulley.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img20/3987/polehang2.png
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7958/canebundle.jpg

[Kellen Bassette]

Tried to, just didn't know the stupid secret question thing. Thanks though.

LOL...I never sign out, so when I did once I couldn't remember my sign in info...I new the answers to the questions, tried for two days couldn't get on...don't know if it's the wording, spelling capitalization or what, but those questions were all like, "none shall pass!"

[sanjuro_ronin]

Anyone out there know of any ye olde kung fu training equipment. Okinawan karate has it's own things so I'm sure kung fu has some apparatuses also right? I tried looking on the Internet with little luck. Just looking to add a little spice into my training regime is all.

Most ( if not all) of the Hojo Undo of Okinawan karate comes from the southern Chinese arts.
Add to that the various "wooden dummies" and "innovative and inventive" strength building apparatuses that were always popular when MA were doing for fighting and what you get is a clear picture of how important building strength was in TCMA.

[madhusudan]

I love this forum because of the knowledge shared here, though you sometimes have to wade through piles of troll droppings to find it.

A term like "hojo undo" is new to me, and opened another world of information to explore.

Stuff I do:
twist a bundle of chopsticks help together with a rubber band.

get the thickest dowel you can find and wave it around in circles etc. I haven't yet drilled a hole in it, but I intend to make a wrist roller out of same. Can also use to tap body.

play around with a sledgehammer.

mok yee pai

Not sure how traditional some of those are. I guess it depends how far back you want to go before something becomes traditional. What makes a modern barbell nontraditional? Just that it's been manufactured?

[Raipizo]

Most ( if not all) of the Hojo Undo of Okinawan karate comes from the southern Chinese arts.
Add to that the various "wooden dummies" and "innovative and inventive" strength building apparatuses that were always popular when MA were doing for fighting and what you get is a clear picture of how important building strength was in TCMA.

Yeah you can see the similarities between southern arts and karate. Strength training is always important . And kellen I know I tried like 6 times lol I just gave up on it :D.

[Kymus]

Wasn't there a book published like a decade ago that talked about traditional KF training and conditioning? I seem to recall it had illustrations. It may have been part of a larger book about the Shaolin Temple arts or something. It's been too long.

There is also this DVD series (http://ymaa.com/publishing/dvd/external/kung_fu_body_conditioning_dvd) by Dr. Yang Jwing-Ming. I haven't see nit myself, but he's known for putting out good quality videos.

If you go to the YouTube page for the trailers, you'll see some good stuff related to it, like this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LNGj0jOA1mQ).

and then there's this (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T5GAb5MQapo)................:eek::D

[Miqi]

The only two really essential wushu training items you need are:

1. The space in which an ox could lie down.

2. Someone very tough and strong who, at some point, you are going to have to have a serious fight with.

[RisingCrane]

Rapizo-
Here is a couple to get you started.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R9eDhekTASQ&list=UUhcSUTU0SEoKrRKqdDBAozA

I will be posting a lot more over the next few weeks.

David.

[bawang]

Anyone out there know of any ye olde kung fu training equipment. Okinawan karate has it's own things so I'm sure kung fu has some apparatuses also right? I tried looking on the Internet with little luck. Just looking to add a little spice into my training regime is all.

http://img1.cache.netease.com/catchpic/4/4A/4A6CA80630B69FFC426A2D849401A092.jpg

http://www.yexi.gov.cn/UploadFiles_2989/200906/20090604185113394.jpg
http://pic.jschina.com.cn/0/14/79/42/14794287_829088.jpg
http://www.readmeok.com/NewsImg/2012-8-9/7d1ee4a5-3f6b-40ee-b124-3319c3d0e4ba.jpg

[Raipizo]

I didn't say it was bawang. Of course strength training is an important part. Those are some impressive older men I will say.

[Raipizo]

thanks rising crane I do have a kettle bell. Maybe I'll have to pick up another one.

[YouKnowWho]

you lift things up then put them down.
There are more than just "lift".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf3wmxvPTDU&feature=youtu.be

It can be replaced by this.

http://imageshack.us/a/img198/6186/rotarytorso.jpg

[bawang]

There are more than just "lift".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mf3wmxvPTDU&feature=youtu.be

It can be replaced by this.

http://imageshack.us/a/img198/6186/rotarytorso.jpg

beginners need something solid and simple.

you often see stone locks being tossed around and juggled. when I learned stone locks, all I did was bicep curls and shoulder press with them.

[YouKnowWho]

Not sure you can call this "lift" either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwSS8FmgJ3c

This is also not "lift".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7tAHsDXB_CM

[bawang]

Not sure you can call this "lift" either.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwSS8FmgJ3c

This is also not "lift".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=7tAHsDXB_CM

all these fancy exercises is why the shanpuying never beat the mongols at the nadaam. all the mongols did was lift rocks.

and tell your student to tighten his stomach and lower the weight, or he will break his back.

[YouKnowWho]

the shanpuying never beat the mongols at the nadaam.

Do you have any historical record for this?

[bawang]

Do you have any historical record for this?

I don't have any historical records. I don't care about Manchu wrestling and what manchus do.

does kung fu need more funny little dancing exercises? whats the point of you posting these videos? will they help people in anyway, or just confuse them?

[Kellen Bassette]

does kung fu need more funny little dancing exercises? whats the point of you posting these videos? will they help people in anyway, or just confuse them?

Dancing exercise with weights is much better than just a dancing exercise. It is probably better than just weights as well.

[Kellen Bassette]

you often see stone locks being tossed around and juggled. when I learned stone locks, all I did was bicep curls and shoulder press with them.

I trained jab and cross with stone locks....same as with dumbbells...

[bawang]

Dancing exercise with weights is much better than just a dancing exercise. It is probably better than just weights as well.

in kung fu its vital that you lift weights with the right spirit. you must have an angry face and lift with rage. its not appropriate to dance with weights.

[YouKnowWho]

does kung fu need more funny little dancing exercises? whats the point of you posting these videos? will they help people in anyway, or just confuse them?

When did I post "funny little dancing exercises" in this thread? Are you talking about this? It's called "闯石担(Chuan Shi Dan) - swing double heads" which is not "举石担(Ju Shi Dan) - lift double heads".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwSS8FmgJ3c

Here is an artical about how ancient Chinese got strong. It's in Chinese.

小磨可以练手劲，大磨（驴拉的磨）可以练整劲。
The small grindstone can be used to train the "hand" strength. The large grindstone can be used to train the "core" strength.

The ancient Chinese "core" strength training is different from just "lift".

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_474601080100mrpu.html

[Kellen Bassette]

in kung fu its vital that you lift weights with the right spirit. you must have an angry face and lift with rage. its not appropriate to dance with weights.

Can you do an angry dance, like moshing?

[bawang]

Can you do an angry dance, like moshing?

its not a joke. I quoted a Chinese general. no matter how light your weight is, even if its 5 pounds, you must lift it like its 1000 pounds. and you must lift with the spirit of attacking someone.

[Kellen Bassette]

its not a joke. I quoted a Chinese general. no matter how light your weight is, even if its 5 pounds, you must lift it like its 1000 pounds. and you must lift with the spirit of attacking someone.

Aren't forms also meant to be trained in this fashion?

[YouKnowWho]

Aren't forms also meant to be trained in this fashion?

Not all moves in the form are 100% committed attack. If it's just for "set up", 30% power should be enough.

[bawang]

When did I post "funny little dancing exercises" in this thread? Are you talking about this? It's called "闯石担(Chuan Shi Dan) - swing double heads" which is not "举石担(Ju Shi Dan) - lift double heads".


so why you didn't post "举石担(Ju Shi Dan) - lift double heads"?




The ancient Chinese "core" strength training is different from just "lift".



http://www.gaopu.com/g/jyokankou01.jpg
http://www.gaopu.com/g/sengin01.jpg
http://www.gaopu.com/g/tamaobi001.jpg
http://www.gaopu.com/g/shibiqi.jpg

[YouKnowWho]

so why you didn't post "举石担(Ju Shi Dan) - lift double heads"?

Here is one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RThkK4cPzuo&feature=youtu.be

[bawang]

Here is one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RThkK4cPzuo&feature=youtu.be

when most kung fu people cant even lift up their arms, I think its important to show the simple "lift".

[sanjuro_ronin]

It is important to realize that "movement specific" strength building is a part for strength training BUT should only be done AFTER general strength is well developed.
EX:
If you can't overhead press 100lbs, you have no business doing any "twirling around" over your head of 25lbs.

Develop a solid core and base and then you can "improvise" with stuff because by then your stabilizers as well as your "major movers" are developed enough (hopefully).

[Vash]

Here is one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RThkK4cPzuo&feature=youtu.be

I didn't realize Crossfit was that old...

#burn

Clean to press, super effective move. Love it.

[fiodor]

I won't go into any detail but the following are ancient CMA training equipment:

- leather belt for cracking.
- brick for finger strength.
- stone lock for swinging.
- square bag for throwing.
- long bag for arm strength.
- single head for leg.
- double heads for arm and body.
- weight puller for pulling.
- bowling ball for foot scoop.
- long cane bundle for techniques.
- short cane bundle for grabbing.
- short wooden stick for grabbing.
- long woodern stick for grabbing.
- weight on the loop for vibration.
- weight on the end of rope for wrist strength.
- big brick for body function.
- Gon for twisting.
- water jar for finger strength.
- tree (or pole) for hanging, shin bitting, sticky, ...
- ...

First you have to decide what skill that you want to enhance. You then pick up the right equipments for that skill. You have to map it backward.

For example, the skill "扣(Kou) - Knee seize" requires 4 different kind of forces. Which will need 4 different equipments to develop from.

1. grip strength - throwing bag,
2. linear shaking - weight pulley.
3. forward pushing - long cane bundle,
4. backward pulling - single head.

Here are some pictures:

http://imageshack.us/a/img856/4540/druml.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img842/5976/stonelock.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img198/6042/jibengong2.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img197/5606/weightpulley2.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img685/5167/singleheadbow.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img717/659/twistshortstick.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img827/8484/weightpulley3.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img694/5728/weightpulley1.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img508/7338/singleheadlegtwist.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img687/1138/earthweight.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img840/8890/singleheadsweep.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img718/1716/singleheadleglift.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img221/1374/singleheadknifehookv.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img577/7338/singleheadlegtwist.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img821/1671/doubleheads.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img19/8387/weightpulley.jpg
http://imageshack.us/a/img20/3987/polehang2.png
http://img855.imageshack.us/img855/7958/canebundle.jpg

Pictures are not present. I am new user and would be happy to see them.