Neutralization

[YouKnowWho]

How will you be able to "neutralize" your opponent's "push" when he

- pushes your neck, and
- hooks your leg at the same time.

Chang_inner_hook - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDuV8g_rIC4)

Is the principle "neutralization" over rated? Your thought?

[mickey]

Greetings,

Grandmaster Chang initiated his move through the gate of interception, while his opponent already committed himself to an action. If he had initiated the technique as a lead off technique, I think he would be vulnerable to counters.

Factors to success:

- Timing

- Willingness to engage
Subfactors to Willingness:
A) Confidence
B) Courage
C) Experience
D) Conditioning


mickey

[YouKnowWho]

while his opponent already committed himself to an action.

Agree with your comment. In the past, many people mentioned that GM Chang's demo partner just committed too much for the demo purpose. This is why I have always believed that the best demo is to

- force your opponent to commit (such as a quick pull or shake), and then
- borrow his force and attack.

You have to "give" before you can "take". In other words, in combat, the "push" is a move after "pull". To neutralize an incoming "push" is not realistic in combat.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-kOr_fbF0Fo&feature=youtu.be

[mickey]

Greetings YouKnowWho,

To me, it appeared that Grandmaster Chang was using any and every opportunity to TRAIN. I found what he did to be way better than one step sparring. He was exemplifying the saying: "My opponent may move before me, but I arrive before he does." A lot of people hear these sayings and could not recognize it if it was displayed right before them. One thing that I noticed is that Sifu Weng was not putting much intention behind his moves, as if to do so would result in a serious, martial, response. I get the feeling it may have already happened to him before.

mickey

[Dragonzbane76]

I thought you meant grapevine when I first read your post then I watched the vid.

almost a grapevine but it's used more from a chest to chest with top pressure back and hooking behind.

[tc101]

How will you be able to "neutralize" your opponent's "push" when he

- pushes your neck, and
- hooks your leg at the same time.

Chang_inner_hook - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDuV8g_rIC4)

Is the principle "neutralization" over rated? Your thought?

I do not know what you mean by the principle of neutralization. Do you mean how can you deal with the technique you show being demonstrated?

Generally speaking the best way to deal with a throw is to not allow the set up for it or to put another way don't let him get in position for the throw. Once he gets the set up or position there is very little options available.

In the demo like most demos the target gives away the set up.

[MightyB]

How will you be able to "neutralize" your opponent's "push" when he

- pushes your neck, and
- hooks your leg at the same time.

Chang_inner_hook - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDuV8g_rIC4)

Is the principle "neutralization" over rated? Your thought?

Neutralizing happens enough in real competition, Judo and SC, but to get to what I think is your point... Does push hands training as done by modern Tai Chi prepare you for that type of attack? Yes and No. It is a great prerequisite training method to eventually gain the skill to not get taken down by that attack, but it needs to be coupled with real wrestling (SC or Judo) style practice to actually work.

[David Jamieson]

it's a nice move.
It is a demo.
hard to really say how high percentage that move would be vs a skilled opponent.

it seems to work well against the a-typical demonstration attacker.
But consider if he had clinched the old mans head or deflected his hand away and off the push or went for the shot from the 3 point range instead of stepping right into the gate.

Ultimately, it is hard to gauge the value of a technique without having true resistance. But the technique does look simple enough in and of itself and it is obvious that the guy has good foundation. He maintains the ridge pole throughout his entire motion. The attacker doesn't have any effect whatsoever. that's good power even in a demonstration setting. :)

[YouKnowWho]

hard to really say how high percentage that move would be vs a skilled opponent.

I would demo differently on this move.

- I will throw a punch 1st.
- When my opponent block it,
- My back hand reblock on his block,
- Free my leading hand to move behind his neck. This is praying mantis (磨盘手Mo Pan Shou).
- I then step back my right leg and pull my opponent into me.
- If he moves in his left leg (he comes to me), I'll demonstrate this technique and hook his left leg.
- If he refuses to move in his left leg, I'll step in and hook his right leg instead (I go to him).

I like my demo alway work whether my opponent yields or resists (cooperate or not cooperate). This is the beauty of "I attack first".

[SPJ]

Neutralization.

Mostly dodge or move away.

We make the opponent moves neutral or not to harm us.

Hua

A better term is to solve or dissolve

solution or dissolution

we solve the fighting problems or senario.

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:)