hard qi gong for the kidneys

[wiz cool c]

i learned an exercise from my teacher. i will get the name next time. it is a ying qi gong shaolin exercise for the kidneys. you stand in a normal shoulder width stance,and twist to your left and extend your left arm behind you palm up ,while slapping your left kidney with your right hand. then do the same to the right. anyone familiar with this exercise? and if so does anyone here have any in depth knowledge of how and why this exercise will help one's kidneys?

[YouKnowWho]

I was taught to use both fists to hit on both kidneys at the same time as part of the warm up sequence. I didn't bother to ask the reason. I assume light striking on that area can help blood circulation and that's always a good idea.

[wiz cool c]

thanks john. i believe the twisting may also have an effect. i remember my old bagua teacher used to mention the twisting all the time had something to do with the kidneys.

[bawang]

I learned this from a guy in ymca when I was 13

[mawali]

i learned an exercise from my teacher. i will get the name next time. it is a ying qi gong shaolin exercise for the kidneys. you stand in a normal shoulder width stance,and twist to your left and extend your left arm behind you palm up ,while slapping your left kidney with your right hand. then do the same to the right. anyone familiar with this exercise? and if so does anyone here have any in depth knowledge of how and why this exercise will help one's kidneys?

I am not sure that it help the kidneys the way people imagine it would! Assisting with the 'energetics' of the kidney may be good as compared to an actual kidney abnormality or congenital condition, which reuqires the services of a TCM specialist and/or allopathic practitioner. Generally speaking the 'windmill' generic rotuine of hitting shenshu, mingmen, etc would a hygenic method and type of massage for general wellbeing. It can certainly help minimally with "blockage", expressed as stiffness, limited movement of the area, keeping in mind that those who are obese, expressed as high WHR and BMI, are at risk for 'kidney' problems per allopathic intervention.

[wiz cool c]

I learned this from a guy in ymca when I was 13

and i am sure everyone is very proud of you

[Scott R. Brown]

You will know you have performed this qi gong properly when your pee starts turning pink. It you can get your pee to turn red you have reached an advanced level. This is called iron kidney qi gong!

[mooyingmantis]

We use this exercise in Taijiquan class.

[Empty_Cup]

As I understand it, the twisting and tension of the muscles helps squeeze/massage the kidneys and promotes blood flow. Dr. Yang Jwing Ming also demonstrates this exercise (minus the striking) in one of his books. Separately, he then recommends using both hands to rub the kidneys.

[wiz cool c]

thanks for the info empty cup

[David Jamieson]

Normal health practices will keep your kidneys healthy.
Twisting and such is nice, but I think there is a lot of error in assuming that muscular exercises are doing anything at all for your internal organs other than maybe increasing bloodflow too them through vigorous exercise.

This can be shown with existing data. To that end, qigong for kidney health? Sounds great I guess but here's where it is ineffective because there are prerequisites to kidney health that if not met, it doesn't matter how much twisting and breathing you do.

1. Keep Hydrated.
2. Eat well (whole foods)
3. Mind your blood pressure
4. keep healthy, stay slim (too much fat on you is no good for kidney health)
5. avoid smoking and keep alcohol intake to a minimum

So, practice these 5 things and your kidneys will be ok barring already present disease.

If you try to solve your problems through qigong and don't do these prerequisites, then you will fail without a doubt.

That's about all there is to say about it.

[wiz cool c]

i agree totally about the prerequisites for healthy kidney function,but have a different opinion on the effects of qi gong on the kidneys. there is more then simply twisting and slapping of the kidneys in this exercise going on. there is special breathing as well as well as the practice of shou yin ti gong[ squeezing the rectum area inward].where to practice it,how many reps, best times to practice ect.


beside these details,there is another standing breathing exercise which is used to learn to send qi all over the body,and or any part need in particular. my first qi gong teacher mentioned after learning a similar exercise you could heal just about any disease or ailment. the reason being you can send qi to where it is needed. so combining all this and you have much more then a simple massage.

[wenshu]

GangMen sect hard qigong for the kidneys

http://i.imgur.com/aJMJf7v.png (http://imgur.com/aJMJf7v)

[David Jamieson]

i agree totally about the prerequisites for healthy kidney function,but have a different opinion on the effects of qi gong on the kidneys. there is more then simply twisting and slapping of the kidneys in this exercise going on. there is special breathing as well as well as the practice of shou yin ti gong[ squeezing the rectum area inward].where to practice it,how many reps, best times to practice ect.


beside these details,there is another standing breathing exercise which is used to learn to send qi all over the body,and or any part need in particular. my first qi gong teacher mentioned after learning a similar exercise you could heal just about any disease or ailment. the reason being you can send qi to where it is needed. so combining all this and you have much more then a simple massage.

No offense, but I've heard this stated quite a lot and the simple truth is that there is no evidence of this occurring at all in anybody.

If you are a qigong guy who smokes and drinks, you are likely to have problems. If you are genetically disposed to problems, you will have them.

Breathing. You cannot breath into your kidneys. Breath is circulated involuntarily through the blood stream.

All the talk of directing chi etc etc is fairy tales.

staying limber, bending the joints, taking deep breaths. All healthful practices. But they are not substitutes for common sense practice and even less so for medical resolution.

Qigong is maintenance. It is preventative. It is not really curative, but can be restorative.

It's important to recognize that there are a lot of wild unfounded claims associated with the practice of qigong. I practice myself. Daily. For more than 20 years.

Most of the 5 phase theory is completely lacking and has no real foundation in reality or in science.

You know what they call alternative medicine that really works? Medicine.

[wiz cool c]

it is ok we all have our own opinions. im sure half of it's effects is believing it works. also who would have believed a 110 pound guy could break a cobble stone with a chop doing hard qi gong, if you told someone in the west this 100 years ago. i think we are still far behind in understanding qi.

[Blacktiger]

Most of the 5 phase theory is completely lacking and has no real foundation in reality or in science.

You know what they call alternative medicine that really works? Medicine.

Alot of people who actually work and treat people on a daily basis with real health issues using TCM - would laugh at this narrow minded view.

I treat and resolve issues on a daily basis using 5 Phase Theory. These comments shout loud and clear you have no idea what your are talking about.

If your open to learning something - go and do some work experience for a few weeks with a Chinese Dr or Oriental Therapist. Get to see the range of issues that are being presented. THEN you will get to see the great results that come from this type therapy being applied proficiently every day of the week.

Bottom line is though - you dont have to choose one form of medicine over another - use both - your getting the best of everything.

[David Jamieson]

Alot of people who actually work and treat people on a daily basis with real health issues using TCM - would laugh at this narrow minded view.

I treat and resolve issues on a daily basis using 5 Phase Theory. These comments shout loud and clear you have no idea what your are talking about.

If your open to learning something - go and do some work experience for a few weeks with a Chinese Dr or Oriental Therapist. Get to see the range of issues that are being presented. THEN you will get to see the great results that come from this type therapy being applied proficiently every day of the week.

Bottom line is though - you don't have to choose one form of medicine over another - use both - your getting the best of everything.

Sorry man, I disagree and I reiterate: Alternative medicine that works is called medicine.

There is no one kind that works and one that doesn't. If it works, it can be repeated. If it's a placebo effect then it's that. You would be naive to think that medicine isn't going to accept a practice that has efficacy and is repeatable do you?

Getting the results of relief of psychosomatic symptoms is great. But let's not pretend that things like reiki, 5 phases etc are real. They aren't and can be shown to have no effect over and over again. the same cannot be said of classes analgesics, surgery, manipulative therapy etc.

I don't intend to insult anyone, but I'd be careful of who you call ignorant in regards to such things. I am not being elitist, I am being matter of fact.

I resubmit this link to this article once again. I tend to agree with the greater body of what is said in it.
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/acu.html

[Blacktiger]

Sorry man, I disagree and I reiterate: Alternative medicine that works is called medicine.

There is no one kind that works and one that doesn't. If it works, it can be repeated. If it's a placebo effect then it's that. You would be naive to think that medicine isn't going to accept a practice that has efficacy and is repeatable do you?

Getting the results of relief of psychosomatic symptoms is great. But let's not pretend that things like reiki, 5 phases etc are real. They aren't and can be shown to have no effect over and over again. the same cannot be said of classes analgesics, surgery, manipulative therapy etc.

I don't intend to insult anyone, but I'd be careful of who you call ignorant in regards to such things. I am not being elitist, I am being matter of fact.

I resubmit this link to this article once again. I tend to agree with the greater body of what is said in it.
http://www.quackwatch.com/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/acu.html

I actually agree with you that what works, works the body does not discriminate. You either get results from what (modality) is being applied or you don't.

5 phase theory is one of the major systems of thought for treatment and diagnosis within TCM.

Acupuncturists, herbalists, bonesetters and Chinese Dr’s are using it day in day out getting results.

Throwing weekend Reiki warriors (most of whom become masters over a weekend) in with this group is ill-informed . As there is University study required in order to consult - so the level of proficiency is quite different. No sure about the U.S....

Your experience so far is that TCM (5 Phase) does not work for you, and that's fine - that is your experience at this point in time.

Mine is different - Im working with it (TCM) 5 days a week all year every year.

I understand the theory as a practitioner, but I will be honest and say I don't know how it really works, if I did I would have a book deal and studio in LA :D

[David Jamieson]

I actually agree with you that what works, works the body does not discriminate. You either get results from what (modality) is being applied or you don't.

5 phase theory is one of the major systems of thought for treatment and diagnosis within TCM.

Acupuncturists, herbalists, bonesetters and Chinese Dr’s are using it day in day out getting results.

Throwing weekend Reiki warriors (most of whom become masters over a weekend) in with this group is ill-informed . As there is University study required in order to consult - so the level of proficiency is quite different. No sure about the U.S....

Your experience so far is that TCM (5 Phase) does not work for you, and that's fine - that is your experience at this point in time.

Mine is different - Im working with it (TCM) 5 days a week all year every year.

I understand the theory as a practitioner, but I will be honest and say I don't know how it really works, if I did I would have a book deal and studio in LA :D

I can't and won't discount anyone's personal experience.
And if you figure it's working for you and your clients, then that's really all you need to have. If they are happy and feel results, then that's what counts.