white crane stepping chart

[kung fu fighter]

Can anyone explain the fujian white crane bagua chart and it's code in regards to actual stepping strategies?

[Minghequan]

Please publish this chart you write of. As you must be aware there are many forms of White Crane.

[kung fu fighter]

I don't have a copy of this chart, but master yang jwing ming once mentioned that there is a fujian white crane bagua chart out there with a code for actual stepping strategies.

[Minghequan]

Kungfu Fighter,

Thanks for the clarification. Why don't you contact Master Yang about this as it was he who mention ed it???

What is your interest in matters White Crane in nature?

[kung fu fighter]

Kungfu Fighter,

Thanks for the clarification. Why don't you contact Master Yang about this as it was he who mention ed it???

What is your interest in matters White Crane in nature?


Master Yang doesn't know where it is, partially because it is supposed to be one of those secrets not to be released to the outside world.

[Minghequan]

Hmm okay. So you expect it to be available via the web???


What is your interest in matters White Crane in nature? Why are you interested in White Crane Gongfu?

[kung fu fighter]

Hmm okay. So you expect it to be available via the web???

It was worth a shot in the dark lol



What is your interest in matters White Crane in nature? Why are you interested in White Crane Gongfu?

I am a wing chun practioner, and fujian/yong chun white crane is supposed to be our mother system.

[Minghequan]

It was worth a shot in the dark lol

I guess so! :)


I am a wing chun practioner, and fujian/yong chun white crane is supposed to be our mother system.

Thanks for the info. Where are you located???

YongChun Crane: Are you referring to the YongChun of Master Su YingHan or Master Kong Lee as they are very different.

Here is our SanZhan Ba Xiang Zhang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bq_brh6zas&feature=youtu.be

[kung fu fighter]

I guess so! :)



Thanks for the info. Where are you located???

YongChun Crane: Are you referring to the YongChun of Master Su YingHan or Master Kong Lee as they are very different.

Here is our SanZhan Ba Xiang Zhang:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9bq_brh6zas&feature=youtu.be

Hi,
Probably Yong Chun of Master Su Ying Han, in the book complete Wing chun by authors Robert Chu and Rene Ritchie. Following Siu Lam s destrction ,several of Jee shin's disciples were said to have spread his teachings including FONG SAI YUK,and HU HUI GAN who brought the art to Guangdong.The basic curriculum includes MUI FA BAAT GWA (PLUM BLOSSOM EIGHT TRIGRAMS),

nice clip!

i am located in Toronto, Canada

[kung fu fighter]

On this site they mentioned fujian white crane has 3 types of footwork and stepping strategy 1. Meridian, 2. Plum blossom, and 3. Baat gwa
http://www.angelfire.com/ny/kungfu123/CraneStyle.html

[Minghequan]

福 建 白 鶴 拳

基本步法 Ji Ben Bu Fa = Fundamental Stances:

● 子午線練地腿: Zhiwuxian Li Di Tui = Meridian Ground-Reaction-Energy
● 練腿勁: Lian Tui Jin = Training Leg Energy
● 一字腿: Yizi Tui = Leg Line Practice
● 通天腿: Tong Tian Tui = Connect to Heaven Leg
● 平馬: Ping Ma = Peaceful/Equal Stance
● 丁馬: Ding Ma = Fourth of Ten Heavenly Stems Stance
● 練馬步: Train Horse Stance
● 練獨腳馬: Single Leg Horse Stance
● 三角馬: San Jiao Ma = Tri-Angle Battle Stance

練腳彈跳力: Lian Jiao Jue Tantiao Li = Practice Leg Springing Energy

● 單腳跳: Dian Jiao Tiao = Single Springing Leg
● 雙腳跳: Shuang Jiao Tiao = Double Springing Legs
● 翻腳跳: Fan Jiao Tiao = Cross Over Foot Spring Step

步法: Bufa = Stepping Methods 練腳步位: Lian Jiao Bu Wei = Practice Foot Stepping Method

● 全月鏡: Quan yue Jin = Full Moon Mirror
● 半月鏡: Ban yue Jin = Half Moon Mirror
● 迴月鏡: Hui yue Jin = Return Moon Mirror
● 三角馬步法: San Jiao Ma Bufa = Tri-Angle Battle Stance Stepping Method

[kung fu fighter]

What's the difference between Plum blossom and Baat gwa footwork strategy?

[Minghequan]

This diagram is exactly the same as I have from an old White Crane book!

http://img194.imageshack.us/img194/559/dlzq.jpg

Therefore I think it's fairly safe to say that it is the diagram that you talk of in your original post on this matter.

The Bagua stepping is shown in the illustration. As I understand it the Plum Blossom stepping is as in the Diamond shape.

What I don't quite understand is its importance to you as a Wing Chun stylist??? What were you hoping to discover from this!

One man's secret is another man's basic practice.

[kung fu fighter]

Thanks for the reply guys!


There has been some discussion on this already from a different direction. Hope this helps.
SKM

http://whitelionkungfu.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/logoscan3-copy1.jpg

http://martial.securesites.net/forum/showthread.php?t=65722

Which style of Fujian white crane do you practice?



The Bagua stepping is shown in the illustration. where specificly on the diagram is the bagua stepping illustrated?


What I don't quite understand is its importance to you as a Wing Chun stylist??? What were you hoping to discover from this!

Fujian white crane is the mother art of wing chun. I am just cross referencing the baat gwa footwork patterns i've seen in some mainland wing chun linages, no big deal.


One man's secret is another man's basic practice.

It's the code in regards to actual stepping strategies that's supposed to be one of those secrets not to be released to the outside world, not the 8 directions diagram. I agree with you, the 8 directions diagram is basic to all kung fu.

[Minghequan]

Pushed for time right now so I'll keep this brief:


Which style of Fujian white crane do you practice?

Me I do a synthesis of three lines of Minghequan (Calling Crane Fist).

Now to the diagram, look closely and it should be obvious where the stepping patterns are.


Fujian white crane is the mother art of wing chun. I am just cross referencing the baat gwa footwork patterns i've seen in some mainland wing chun linages, no big deal.

That sounds interesting. Please tell me your discoveries and thoughts!!!


It's the code in regards to actual stepping strategies that's supposed to be one of those secrets not to be released to the outside world, not the 8 directions diagram. I agree with you, the 8 directions diagram is basic to all kung fu.

Secrets are wonderful things ... they don't really exist but are just one person's or group interpretation: "one man's secret is another man's basics"

As you yourself wrote it is "supposed to be one of those secrets not to be released to the outside world"

"Supposed" being the operative word here!

Nothing secret about stepping ..more likely to find secrets in Dian Xue or Da Shou if at all!!!

Hope this helps a little ..........

[kung fu fighter]

Now to the diagram, look closely and it should be obvious where the stepping patterns are.

Are you supposed to step in a circle along circumference on the inside of the circle or cut triangular angles along the 8 cords/lines that overlapping the diamond and square?


This diagram is exactly the same as I have from an old White Crane book!

what's the name of the book, and which style of fujian white crane is it on?

also is there a diagram on the plum blossom footwork in there as well?



That sounds interesting. Please tell me your discoveries and thoughts!!!


wing chun is a synthesis of Fujian white crane shape and snake body.
some components which wing chun retained from Fujian White crane includes:

1. Center Line principle

2. Five element hands

3. footwork (meridian, triangle, plum blossom, baat gwa)

4. 8 Energies Sinking (Chum), Swallowing (Tun), Floating (Fao), Spitting (Tao), Pouncing (Pou), Lifting (Ti), Throwing (Shuai), Springing/Rebounding

Hendrik Santo has done some great research on this.

[kung fu fighter]

thanks for the reply SKM


The footwork sets the other person up where they see it coming and there is nothing they can do to stop it. It is check-mate.

You actually have two Fighting Circles- The inside Five Star/Seven Star, and the outside Moon Circle. The inside is an offensive Fighting Circle and the outside is an evasive Fighting Circle. Forget the Trigrams and all the philosophy. It has nothing to do with fighting science which has two stages- 1) Learn that you cannot get hit (outside Fighting Circle) and 2) Learn to check-mate/hit (inside Fighting Circle).

So would you say "the inside offensive Fighting Circle" is the equivalent to cutting off the ring (George Foreman/Mike Tyson) footwork in American style boxing, and "the outside evasive Fighting Circle" is equivalent to circling (Muhammed Ali) footwork in American style boxing?


Is this diagram from Tibetan white crane or Fujian white crane?

http://whitelionkungfu.files.wordpress.com/2010/03/logoscan3-copy1.jpg


Is this the inside circle stepping that your are referring to?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iStiduwjAeo

[Minghequan]

Are you supposed to step in a circle along circumference on the inside of the circle or cut triangular angles along the 8 cords/lines that overlapping the diamond and square?

My colleague SKM has explained this quite well!


what's the name of the book, and which style of fujian white crane is it on?

also is there a diagram on the plum blossom footwork in there as well?

http://img14.imageshack.us/img14/3756/fosm.jpg

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/6531/blip.jpg


wing chun is a synthesis of Fujian white crane shape and snake body.
some components which wing chun retained from Fujian White crane includes:

1. Center Line principle

2. Five element hands

3. footwork (meridian, triangle, plum blossom, baat gwa)

4. 8 Energies Sinking (Chum), Swallowing (Tun), Floating (Fao), Spitting (Tao), Pouncing (Pou), Lifting (Ti), Throwing (Shuai), Springing/Rebounding

Hendrik Santo has done some great research on this.

Yes I am aware of this. If you are looking to re-introduce or reverse engineer these concepts into your Wing Chun would it not simply be better to study Fuzhou White Crane as the source of this material??? Just a thought!

[kung fu fighter]

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which styles of fujian white crane are these book on?

Is there a diagram for the plum blossom footwork in there as well?



[QUOTE=Minghequan;1240911]If you are looking to re-introduce or reverse engineer these concepts into your Wing Chun would it not simply be better to study Fuzhou White Crane as the source of this material??? Just a thought!

“I fear not the man who has practiced 10,000 kicks once, but I fear the man who has practiced one kick 10,000 times.” -Bruce Lee

I would love to study our mother system Yong Chun white crane as well as other great systems of kung fu, but unfortunately i only have so much time to devote to martial arts training, and rather than spread that time over multiple systems. i prefer to focus it on one.


I am not necessarily looking to re-introduce these concepts into wing chun, they are already there. just looking for confirmation based on my research into the different linage of wing chun. For example fut sao wing chun has a forth form called siu baat gwa which is devoted to baat gwa footwork training, and some of it's footwork patterns can be found in all other WC linages, but one cannot.

[kung fu fighter]

Is this the inside circle stepping that your are referring to?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iStiduwjAeo

[crazedjustice88]

Hello. The form starts with Hop Gar version of two step den choi on the circle. The rest of the form is working the inside or the outside of the square with triangle in and out on the corners of the square. There is also a sup ji pattern used to get from north to south with diagonal strikes. Two shapes in this form- square and triangle. It is a nice form.
SKM

Actually the form works however you want it. That's my sihing rob, a beast by the by. But yeah, our lineages single wing flip forms footwork changes each and every one you do the form.