Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut

[Karol Ruan]

Dear bros,

I'm from Viet Nam & I'd like to make friend with who like kungfu, in special Choy Lee Fut.
I'm sorry because my bad English. I have trained Kick-boxing for 2 years, a little Taekwondo. In the past, I never believe Kungfu or Chinese Martial Arts. I thought it just have been well in Cinema. Until I see Him, know Him & had a small sparring with his student & had been KO in few second, everything has changed. Now I love Choy Lee Fut. It's not about how you fighting. Choy Lee Fut is Art Of Fighting.

My Master is Grand Master Sang. I met him when he was over 60 and he have been strong, fast & can sparring with any younger student. Grand Master Sang is Chinese who have a great love to Viet Nam.
He have never make marketing or PR for the class. just receive student by fate & accidental. So I have not many video clip or document about him. And you can't google it. We don't have website too. However Grand Master Sang have been famous in Vietnamese who like kungfu in real fight, street fight.

Master Sang & Master Kim Jin Pal (Jin Pal Hapkido)
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This is some video Mr.Linh Co Tan, The Highest Student of Master Sang, demonstart some Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut Technique. Hope you will like it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aLqhDvCIm0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-8vU2FwMR8
Nice to meet you, bros!

All link update:

Sparring Clip: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfzAJ-a3B-Q
Mr.Linh Movement in Sparring: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BBBeVtm8I
Grand Master Sang demo in USA: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsrhfDQvTqs
Stone Lock Gwa Sao Trainning: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_YRkP3xz7c

[Karol Ruan]

Can anyone help me post my video link?

Silk Reeling Tecnique??
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[GoldenBrain]

I don't think you can upload videos due to the file size/type limitation, so probably the best way is to upload your video on youtube and then just post that link the same way you did for the other two videos.

[Karol Ruan]

I don't think you can upload videos due to the file size/type limitation, so probably the best way is to upload your video on youtube and then just post that link the same way you did for the other two videos.

Thanks a lot, bro.

[jdhowland]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1aLqhDvCIm0

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-8vU2FwMR8
Nice to meet you, bros!

These are quite good.

[FongSung]

Nice. This guy knows what he's doing. Practical and not too stylised.

[Karol Ruan]

These are quite good.


Nice. This guy knows what he's doing. Practical and not too stylised.

Thank you sir. You said right because our master dont teach us any form. He've just taught us simple skill, then how to make a combo and last how to fight. The same way MMA training method.
Our solution in fighting is angel changing. We move to change the angel to fight. Not go straight. And always hide groin.:)

[jdhowland]

Thank you sir. You said right because our master dont teach us any form. He've just taught us simple skill, then how to make a combo and last how to fight. The same way MMA training method.
Our solution in fighting is angel changing. We move to change the angel to fight. Not go straight. And always hide groin.:)

That is real martial skill. You can't learn it from someone who just wants to teach forms for money. Glad to see this.

[Karol Ruan]

That is real martial skill. You can't learn it from someone who just wants to teach forms for money. Glad to see this.

Yes. I give my Master high respecting. Because he have a simplicity life & never "sell" his martial art skill. Every week he ride motorbile over 20km to teach us(with Viet Nam speed limited <60km).

Please start watching in 4:50 to see him. Sorry because there 's too much chatting in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JG8BMbV-iU


This is our sparring clip:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VfzAJ-a3B-Q

You can see how damage in Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut skill at the end of the clip. The guy in black just used limit power.

It's glad if everyone give comment & advise to us.

Thank you!

[GoldenBrain]

Hey Karol, excellent videos! I especially like the way the GM teaches with a cig hanging out of his mouth. It's some old school stuff for sure. ;) Kinda reminds me of the Lions Roar master lady in the movie Kung Fu Hustle. :D

Since you asked for comments and advice I'd be happy to share my thoughts on the sparring video. First of all the guy in black is using some excellent triangle footwork to set up the other fella. If he had used full power the guy would have hit the ground. It appears that the guy in black likes to use that setup so my advise would be to allow him to use it but keep the left hand up high to block the looping strike and move in with a straight right. Since the guy in black didn't have his hands up high either the right would likely have landed square.

Good stuff!!!

[Karol Ruan]

Hey Karol, excellent videos! I especially like the way the GM teaches with a cig hanging out of his mouth. It's some old school stuff for sure. ;) Kinda reminds me of the Lions Roar master lady in the movie Kung Fu Hustle. :D

Since you asked for comments and advice I'd be happy to share my thoughts on the sparring video. First of all the guy in black is using some excellent triangle footwork to set up the other fella. If he had used full power the guy would have hit the ground. It appears that the guy in black likes to use that setup so my advise would be to allow him to use it but keep the left hand up high to block the looping strike and move in with a straight right. Since the guy in black didn't have his hands up high either the right would likely have landed square.

Good stuff!!!

Thank you, GoldenBrain! What kind of martial arts that you 're training? I guess it 's Southern Fist, too. Because you talked about triangle footwork. Actually, Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut use Triangle footwork too much. So in our sparring, we always use this movement.
And in fact, the level of the black guy is higher, he always change stance to find the hole to fight. The blue guy movement is not good enough. if you watch in slow motion. At the 0:32, the black guy give a fake left hand in high position, the blue guy use left hand to push it out & find the way to Charp Sui his partner ribs by the right hand. However, the real move is the Gwa Sao by right hand of the black guy.

As you know, Hung Sing CLF fightstyle is never ending & always continue. We dont give a punch then take back the hand to cover chin like boxing. The time Hung Sing fighter 's hand stick his opponent block, the time for the real move. So maybe if the blue guy try to high block, he will receive a Palm to Groin.

Like that way, at 0:30 you can see the yellow guy push out(we like to do that than block, because block is too passive) Mr.Linh hand & then....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjwdhQFOAHU


I hope you would give your oppinion. So we can discuss & I can receive your big experience. Thank you.

[FongSung]

It is obvious that the guy in yellow is in learning mode and blocking the guy in black attacking hand, he is totally distraction by the black guys hand and is trying to deal with that which is not the objective. Instead of following the guy in black s example of attack to defend.:)

Basically the guy in yellow is setting himself up to loose every time.

[GoldenBrain]

Thank you, GoldenBrain! What kind of martial arts that you 're training? I guess it 's Southern Fist, too. Because you talked about triangle footwork. Actually, Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut use Triangle footwork too much. So in our sparring, we always use this movement.
And in fact, the level of the black guy is higher, he always change stance to find the hole to fight. The blue guy movement is not good enough. if you watch in slow motion. At the 0:32, the black guy give a fake left hand in high position, the blue guy use left hand to push it out & find the way to Charp Sui his partner ribs by the right hand. However, the real move is the Gwa Sao by right hand of the black guy.

As you know, Hung Sing CLF fightstyle is never ending & always continue. We dont give a punch then take back the hand to cover chin like boxing. The time Hung Sing fighter 's hand stick his opponent block, the time for the real move. So maybe if the blue guy try to high block, he will receive a Palm to Groin.

Like that way, at 0:30 you can see the yellow guy push out(we like to do that than block, because block is too passive) Mr.Linh hand & then....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NjwdhQFOAHU


I hope you would give your oppinion. So we can discuss & I can receive your big experience. Thank you.


I train a mixed bag of styles. I turned 42 yesterday, so many years ago as a youth I began my studies in GoJu Ryu Shorei Kan Karate and Japanese Jiujitsu. Now the core of my studies for the striking and weapon arts is mainly Southern 5 Animal Sil Lum and Kali Arnis, and for the grappling styles it's Jiujitsu, Chin-Na and Shuai Jaio.

Triangle stepping is a standard for me so it's easy to recognize it when I see it. I agree with you, and it's pretty obvious to me that the guy in black is more advanced. My point was not for the blue guy to stay locked into a boxer guard the entire time, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but at that moment he could have used a left block or deflection while at the same time throwing a straight right to the head which probably would have connected.

I mean no offense, but I guess what I'm disagreeing with, and what I'm seeing in these sparring videos, is that the fighters tend to keep their hands to low. Of course, this is just my opinion and each fighter needs to find their own way. Personally, I tend to keep my hands out in front of me, one a little closer than the other, forming a narrow triangle from my hands to shoulders, at approximately the chest to shoulder level just under my eye line. My guard resembles a Wing Chun guard without the squared off pigeon toed stance. My foot placement is much like a western boxer which allows me to advance and retreat quickly and use male and female triangle stepping, depending on the situation. I also use a lot of shin bites and what we call the gas peddle which is to step on the feet and ankles when advancing from the front or the sides. I am still able to flow my striking, locks or other applications in a continuous way from this guard, but having my hands higher allows me to intercept or deflect incoming strikes a little faster. It's really no problem to block low, middle or high with this type of guard. I'm more of a close inside fighter so I like to work from 45 degree angles, find a bridge and then attack the center line. If I'm not striking then I'm usually working for chokes, sweeps, throws or takedowns of some sort, and if somebody leaves their hands on me for to long then I work large and small circle joint locks.

I've enjoyed watching the videos you've posted and hearing your opinions. It's really cool to see how other people around the world are training so keep up the good work!

[Karol Ruan]

It is obvious that the guy in yellow is in learning mode and blocking the guy in black attacking hand, he is totally distraction by the black guys hand and is trying to deal with that which is not the objective. Instead of following the guy in black s example of attack to defend.:)

Basically the guy in yellow is setting himself up to loose every time.

Thank you sir. That's right. This clip is not a sparring. Just Responsive Application Skill. I use this clip for explaining how Hung Sing CLF fightstyle in the sparring clip.

This clip is not good enough but I like Mr.Linh(in white) movement.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F1BBBeVtm8I

[GoldenBrain]

Mr. Linh moves pretty well for wearing flip flops.

I need to be barefoot or in shoes. Every time I try to do any type of training in flip flops I'm tripping all over myself. :D

[FongSung]

Can you guys read Chinese. If so PM me your email I have something that may interest you or you may even have it.

[Karol Ruan]

I train a mixed bag of styles. I turned 42 yesterday, so many years ago as a youth I began my studies in GoJu Ryu Shorei Kan Karate and Japanese Jiujitsu. Now the core of my studies for the striking and weapon arts is mainly Southern 5 Animal Sil Lum and Kali Arnis, and for the grappling styles it's Jiujitsu, Chin-Na and Shuai Jaio.

Triangle stepping is a standard for me so it's easy to recognize it when I see it. I agree with you, and it's pretty obvious to me that the guy in black is more advanced. My point was not for the blue guy to stay locked into a boxer guard the entire time, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but at that moment he could have used a left block or deflection while at the same time throwing a straight right to the head which probably would have connected.

I mean no offense, but I guess what I'm disagreeing with, and what I'm seeing in these sparring videos, is that the fighters tend to keep their hands to low. Of course, this is just my opinion and each fighter needs to find their own way. Personally, I tend to keep my hands out in front of me, one a little closer than the other, forming a narrow triangle from my hands to shoulders, at approximately the chest to shoulder level just under my eye line. My guard resembles a Wing Chun guard without the squared off pigeon toed stance. My foot placement is much like a western boxer which allows me to advance and retreat quickly and use male and female triangle stepping, depending on the situation. I also use a lot of shin bites and what we call the gas peddle which is to step on the feet and ankles when advancing from the front or the sides. I am still able to flow my striking, locks or other applications in a continuous way from this guard, but having my hands higher allows me to intercept or deflect incoming strikes a little faster. It's really no problem to block low, middle or high with this type of guard. I'm more of a close inside fighter so I like to work from 45 degree angles, find a bridge and then attack the center line. If I'm not striking then I'm usually working for chokes, sweeps, throws or takedowns of some sort, and if somebody leaves their hands on me for to long then I work large and small circle joint locks.

I've enjoyed watching the videos you've posted and hearing your opinions. It's really cool to see how other people around the world are training so keep up the good work!

It's my pleasure to collect your experience. Thank you very much.


Mr. Linh moves pretty well for wearing flip flops.

I need to be barefoot or in shoes. Every time I try to do any type of training in flip flops I'm tripping all over myself. :D

Yes. Me too! And I dont know how can he do footwork with those flip flops. Because choy lee fut movement is foot dribbling. And the power of the attack skill is depend on the footworks.



Can you guys read Chinese. If so PM me your email I have something that may interest you or you may even have it.

I sent mess to you. Thank a lot.

[hskwarrior]

foot dribbling

can you explain "FOOT DRIBBLING?"
thank you.

[CLFNole]

My guess its something lost in the english translation and likely is referring to sliding since that is fairly common in CLF.

[Karol Ruan]

can you explain "FOOT DRIBBLING?"
thank you.


My guess its something lost in the english translation and likely is referring to sliding since that is fairly common in CLF.

I'm sorry because my English is very bad. And some skill can't translate clearly in English.
Yes. It 's like sliding. When we go straight we use the toes to pull the heel & the body slide on road. Maybe I will record a video for this skill. It's hard to explain.

You can watch at 3:43, that Grand Master Sang demo some tecnique fight on street. This video was recorded when My Master had invitation to USA.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NsrhfDQvTqs

[Drake]

Very nice! Thanks for sharing!

[Karol Ruan]

Our clip for training Gwa Sao with Stone Lock: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_YRkP3xz7c

[Karol Ruan]

http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=7864&stc=1&d=1382341396

Silk Reeling skill? Is that real?

My Sifu said that Taichi was The Top skill of Kungfu. Until now, this time, just my Sifu & Siheng can do Silk Reeling in fighting. We cant understand it.
Too high? Too difficult??

What do you think, guys?

[Karol Ruan]

My Sifu - Master Sang & Master Kim Jin Pal

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Some Hung Sing Choy Lee Fut in Sparring


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NEIlLS3rfps

[Karol Ruan]

IMO Silk Reeling, like Sticking Hands is for training specific qualities of bridging. I believe that the principles can be used in sparring but the common patterns that express those principles cannot. IMO the skill must first be acquired under compliance then individual concepts tested under pressure. The various methods of neutralizing, rebounding, sending, absorbing etc. Can only be linked when each is thoroughly understood and how they relate to one another. Defined patterns cannot teach this only relay compatibility. Test each principle in various positions under duress, this will dictate how/what the next position will be/require.

Dave

Thank you very much for your sharing. Silk Reeling Skill absolutely is hard to training, understand & apply. It can't not be taught by words. There is just my Sihing that know how to apply.

Western Wingchun vs Eastern Choy Lee Fut:

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