Secret Wing Chun Form

[Graham H]

Here is the secret form of Wing Chun. Please DO NOT show it to anybody else.

Enjoy

http://youtu.be/irsjwVO2BCc

[Neil-Y]

Here is the secret form of Wing Chun. Please DO NOT show it to anybody else.

Enjoy

http://youtu.be/irsjwVO2BCc

I learnt this. Its called the fusion forrm!

[Almost A Ghost]

Learned it too, but heard it referred to in the following manners:
- The fourth form
- The synthesis form
- The demonstration form (probably the best description)

[Graham H]

People will invent any old rubbish won't they but according to some people on here that's ok and its only interpretation. :rolleyes:

I can just imagines peoples little faces lighting up when sifu tells them they can learn the 4th form after loads of years and loads of wasted cash :)

[Rik-M]

After six years of training with one particular wing chun group, I was offered the "opportunity" to learn the wooden dummy, which would cost me two weekends of my time and £350, no videoing and I would have to pay the same fee again the next year if I wanted to do it again! Thankfully I declined.
There's lots of money grabbing people out there!

[Graham H]

After six years of training with one particular wing chun group, I was offered the "opportunity" to learn the wooden dummy, which would cost me two weekends of my time and £350, no videoing and I would have to pay the same fee again the next year if I wanted to do it again! Thankfully I declined.
There's lots of money grabbing people out there!

This is very true but there are also lots of stupids willing to pay it! :)

It was the sensible way to decline. ;)

[Graham H]

Funny story I was told once......................

A guy from the Wing Tsun lineage contacted a well know Teacher in the WSL lineage and asked him if he could teach him the long pole. Here is a short version of the conversation:

WT: Can you teach me the long pole?
WSL: Why? Do you not learn it in your own school?
WT:Yes but they charge too much money?
WSL:Ok so how much of the system do you know?
WT:That doesn't matter
WSL: In our lineage you must know SLT, CK, MYJ because the pole is an intrinsic part of these ideas. Without this you will not understand the concepts.
WT:I already know SLT, CK, and MYJ!
WSL:Yes but you cannot know our SLT, CK, MYJ. You're thinking will be different.
WT:Yes but I have been taught by a "closed door student" of Yip Man.
WSL:Oh really then for me to teach you the pole it will be 3500!

:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

[Neil-Y]

After six years of training with one particular wing chun group, I was offered the "opportunity" to learn the wooden dummy, which would cost me two weekends of my time and £350, no videoing and I would have to pay the same fee again the next year if I wanted to do it again! Thankfully I declined.
There's lots of money grabbing people out there!

Hi Rik welcome to the Forum. I can guess which group this is. ;-)

[Rik-M]

Hi Rik welcome to the Forum. I can guess which group this is. ;-)

Thanks Neil, yes I expect you can hazard a guess to which "wing chun" group I might be referring too.
After leaving this group I am very glad to be back on a training path which is correct for me.

Also it could be a lot worse, I could think that this "develops skills need to progress in wing chun", really??!!
http://youtu.be/hWHnbM7IHhw

[Graham H]

Thanks Neil, yes I expect you can hazard a guess to which "wing chun" group I might be referring too.
After leaving this group I am very glad to be back on a training path which is correct for me.

Also it could be a lot worse, I could think that this "helps to develop skills in wing chun", really??!!
http://youtu.be/hWHnbM7IHhw

WTF? :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Nice gym though but wasted on that sh1t of course! :rolleyes:

[GlennR]

WTF? :eek::eek::eek::eek:

Nice gym though but wasted on that sh1t of course! :rolleyes:

Not often im lost for words but................. im lost for words.

WTF was that?????

[BPWT]

WTF was that?????

About 60 seconds of an impersonation of a monkey on drugs?

[Rik-M]

Not often im lost for words but................. im lost for words.

WTF was that?????

That was SAS Martials Arts in London, and yes that was serious according to them.
It's run by "Master" Andrew Sofos, not sure about the lineage.:)

http://www.saswingchun.com/master-andrew-sofos

[GlennR]

That was SAS Martials Arts in London, and yes that was serious according to them.
It's run by "Master" Andrew Sofos, not sure about the lineage.:)

http://www.saswingchun.com/master-andrew-sofos

Surely they are related???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yol4eVTGT-w

[Rik-M]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHCqmp7oQhU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Wooopsy.....the secret is out :D

Surely any wing chun done in Kowloon Park must be legitimate!! :D

[Graham H]

I thought Wing Chun was all about reducing superfluous stuff(?)


Exactly but reading through Keith Myers posts you would think otherwise! :D

[k gledhill]

Thanks Neil, yes I expect you can hazard a guess to which "wing chun" group I might be referring too.
After leaving this group I am very glad to be back on a training path which is correct for me.

Also it could be a lot worse, I could think that this "develops skills need to progress in wing chun", really??!!
http://youtu.be/hWHnbM7IHhw

Lmao ! Things people "do for the fu" : )

[k gledhill]

That was SAS Martials Arts in London, and yes that was serious according to them.
It's run by "Master" Andrew Sofos, not sure about the lineage.:)

http://www.saswingchun.com/master-andrew-sofos

I met Sid Sofos and Andrew , cult approach. Testimonials at the end of class, strict arse kissing by greatness of grade ; ).

[Paddington]

That was SAS Martials Arts in London, and yes that was serious according to them.
It's run by "Master" Andrew Sofos, not sure about the lineage.:)

http://www.saswingchun.com/master-andrew-sofos


If memory serves that is the brother of Sid Sofos who reached a certain level of notoriety, for all the wrong reasons of course! There were and still are a number of embarrassing videos of sid and an entire website dedicated to debunking him and bringing to light his cocaine habit and tendency to rip people off and 'brainwash' them. I have no idea if that site is still there.

[LoneTiger108]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHCqmp7oQhU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Wooopsy.....the secret is out :D

Do you even know who or what you are looking at?

Not the same form dude but I don't think it really matters. Looks like this thread is dead as Zed

[KPM]

Exactly but reading through Keith Myers posts you would think otherwise! :D

Please just post something of actual value and stop with the insulting pot shots and taunts. Why are you here Graham?

[hulkout]

People get way too hung up on forms. Your structure, technique, and sensitivity is fare more important than the order of the movements in the form. That so-called fourth form is just a combination of bits and pieces from the 3 main forms in Wing Chun. It was probably invented for the purpose of demos. Seriously, who cares? These are all movements we know. Just the order is different, so why is that such an issue? I will say though that for a demonstration of their lineage and school, some of those guys in that video are horrible. There's no sinking at all. They're at the same height as they are when they're just standing normally. And those Biu Jee kop jarn elbows are just awful. Why do so many people come down with the inside soft part of their elbow joint? You've got to turn it completely over and strike with the hard part of your upper forearm/elbow. It just drives me nuts whenever I see that. Try making contact with the way these guys are doing it and see how your elbow feels.

[LFJ]

And those Biu Jee kop jarn elbows are just awful. Why do so many people come down with the inside soft part of their elbow joint? You've got to turn it completely over and strike with the hard part of your upper forearm/elbow. It just drives me nuts whenever I see that. Try making contact with the way these guys are doing it and see how your elbow feels.

Because it's not a strike, as far as I understand from lineages who do it (mine doesn't). What you're talking about is more like gwai-jaang which turns over and strikes. Kap-jaang is done as an arm-lock controlling technique where you press down with the arm, not striking anything. If you turn over too far they can twist out of it. To keep them where the pressure is tight on their wrist and locks their whole arm, your arm must remain level and just 'press' directly down, which is what the name means.

[hulkout]

Because it's not a strike, as far as I understand from lineages who do it (mine doesn't). What you're talking about is more like gwai-jaang which turns over and strikes. Kap-jaang is done as an arm-lock controlling technique where you press down with the arm, not striking anything. If you turn over too far they can twist out of it. To keep them where the pressure is tight on their wrist and locks their whole arm, your arm must remain level and just 'press' directly down, which is what the name means.

I know what you're saying, but like many techniques, there are many uses of it. Yes it can be used in the way you're describing, but it could also be a strike. Train movement over technique. If your arm gets choked up, you could get out of it with the downward elbow which would get you back to a good position. But suppose your arm is close to your opponent's head. Then depending on your angle you could use either a horizontal or downward elbow or a horizontal angle. Either way, the part to strike with is the hard part of the upper forearm elbow. That soft inside part is very sensitive with a lot of nerves there. Your "funny bone" is there too. You want to protect that part of your arm. People can talk all day about technique, lineage, or whatever, but you can't escape biological facts. That part of the arm is very sensitive and weak and that's a fact.

[LFJ]

I know what you're saying, but like many techniques, there are many uses of it. Yes it can be used in the way you're describing, but it could also be a strike. Train movement over technique. If your arm gets choked up, you could get out of it with the downward elbow which would get you back to a good position. But suppose your arm is close to your opponent's head. Then depending on your angle you could use either a horizontal or downward elbow or a horizontal angle. Either way, the part to strike with is the hard part of the upper forearm elbow. That soft inside part is very sensitive with a lot of nerves there. Your "funny bone" is there too. You want to protect that part of your arm. People can talk all day about technique, lineage, or whatever, but you can't escape biological facts. That part of the arm is very sensitive and weak and that's a fact.

Uh, yeah... Perhaps that's why they don't use it as a strike?

What you are describing is either gwai-jaang (diagonal) or pai-jaang (horizontal) elbows. That's why some lineages have three distinct elbows in their BJ form, because they have different functions. As I've seen, they don't use kap-jaang as a strike. So...

[wingchunIan]

if anyone has a clip of kup jarn being used as an arm lock as suggested by LFJ i'd be really interested in seeing it (genuinely). I use it as a strike and simultaneously a trap or wrist release or both but for me the direction of force whilst having a downward element is forward to the jic seen

[LFJ]

if anyone has a clip of kup jarn being used as an arm lock as suggested by LFJ i'd be really interested in seeing it (genuinely). I use it as a strike and simultaneously a trap or wrist release or both but for me the direction of force whilst having a downward element is forward to the jic seen

22:22 http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzQwNjM4MzUy.html