Boxing has helped me a lot and made my kung fu better

[Spiked]

Kung fu is largely known for its pugilistic practices. But for me western boxing has helped me a ton. My footwork and cardio are the first things that come to my mind. Anyone else box here?

[Spiked]

One of my early instructors was a pro boxer. Learning how to box from a "Western" perspective had a huge impact on my outlook of "Eastern" boxing methods. In time I was able to alter my technique to encompass a different format and approach. Quickness, timing, response, entry and power all were affected for the better IMO. As a result I gained a ton more confidence in my techniques when it came time to apply them realistically under duress in competition. Western boxing fundamentals, for me, was like a key turning a lock. It opened a door that delved deeper into, and lead to better understanding, of the trove of techniques found in TCMA. For me it was a missing link.

Good post Spiked.

Thanks! And Kung fu does have boxing but it is not trained like western boxing. Good stuff.

[Jimbo]

My first instructor for striking arts, who taught Kenpo, was very well-versed in both western boxing and wrestling. He particularly liked to incorporate the boxing into our training and free-sparring. Also, many of the upper students had boxing or kickboxing backgrounds. This was back in the '70s, when freely combining eastern and western modalities was not nearly as common or accepted as it became in more recent years.

IMO, it's invaluable for every MAist to have at least some experience with boxing...both training it and sparring with boxers.

[Spiked]

My first instructor for striking arts, who taught Kenpo, was very well-versed in both western boxing and wrestling. He particularly liked to incorporate the boxing into our training and free-sparring. Also, many of the upper students had boxing or kickboxing backgrounds. This was back in the '70s, when freely combining eastern and western modalities was not nearly as common or accepted as it became in more recent years.

IMO, it's invaluable for every MAist to have at least some experience with boxing...both training it and sparring with boxers.

They need to train boxing first or they would likely get crushed in sparring. Tcma relies too much on counter striking due to its self defense nature.

[Kellen Bassette]

They need to train boxing first or they would likely get crushed in sparring. Tcma relies too much on counter striking due to its self defense nature.

TCMA does not have self defense nature. This is a modern reworking and perversion of the nature of TCMA.

[Spiked]

TCMA does not have self defense nature. This is a modern reworking and perversion of the nature of TCMA.

Tcma has whatever nature that is presented by the teacher which is why you do not see any tcma fighters. Why be in denial?

[Jimbo]

They need to train boxing first or they would likely get crushed in sparring. Tcma relies too much on counter striking due to its self defense nature.

I do believe exposure to boxing should come very early in one's training. It can help prevent a lot of self-delusions from cropping up.

However, not all TCMA are overly defensive...depends on the individual and even the system itself. Traditionally, TCMA like CLF are very aggressive.

[Kellen Bassette]

Tcma has whatever nature that is presented by the teacher which is why you do not see any tcma fighters. Why be in denial?

Most TCMA teachers do not do the practical training, conditioning and sparring necessary for competitive fighting. Those interested in such things are forced to look elsewhere to find a suitable training environment.

Those not interested in hitting, or being hit, can safely train TCMA with out being pushed out of their comfort zones.

Both these cycles perpetuate themselves. I don't believe I am in denial here...

[YouKnowWho]

However, not all TCMA are overly defensive...depends on the individual and even the system itself.

In the SC system, most SC coach will teach defense and counter after 3 years. In ACSCA, the defense and counter is the 3rd degree black belt testing requirement. The reason is simple. A SC coach wants his students to attack, attack, and still attack.

The SC spirit is to act like a tiger and trying to eat your opponent alive. Here is an example of the "SC tiger spirit".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EF10eXZT8gg&feature=youtu.be

[Kellen Bassette]

I agree. It's just unfortunate that most commercial MA schools focus on the defenesive part. I understand why they do, children, monetary gain and liabilty issues. When they do finally develop into "sparring" it is over regulated, limited in technique and unrealistic in approach. Again because of above stated reasons. Also, the vast majority of competitions promote this "tag" type of scenerio. IMO boxing and wrestling break down this barrier and allow the students, somewhat safely, to practice their technique and application realistically and at full power, with boxing they can wear head gear, gloves and body armour. Without throws and kicks it's much safer, yet allows one go hard. With wrestling you can go hard without damaging someone. Don't get me wrong without supervision all kinds of havoc can break out. With classical MA training, going hard, even with padding, there is too much risk of injury because of the vast array of techniques, usually underdeveloped. These are usually being applied and defended sloppily as there are too many for the student to adequately learn. IMO to train realistically at full bore you need to isolate to develop the technique. Boxing only, wrestling only, throwing only. Then when your offensive and defensive skill have been sharpend you can start adding them together. Kinda of like a deconstructed MMA format, but applied to TCMA. Training to understand and being able to use a technique doesn't have to equate to training and competing in MMA. But a similar format can be used and IMO should be. No one trained in TCMA for several years should have their arse handed to them by some snot nosed punk with 6 mos. of MMA training. Unfortunately, this has become a trend, simply from a lack of hard and realistic training, like boxing.

These words are true...you are not an evil Wing Chun demon at all...:)

[lkfmdc]

hate to break up the love fest, but you guys do realize that the OP has never boxed in his life.......

he does like gladiator movies though

[YouKnowWho]

If all TCMA guys can look at combat from the boxing and wrestling point of view that you try to knock/take down your opponent ASAP, their training path will be much simple and clear.

What I like about boxing is, a boxer always talks about jab, cross, uppercut, and hook. A boxer will never talk about "How to deal with a hook".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x_sWTnfb-MY

[Kellen Bassette]

hate to break up the love fest, but you guys do realize that the OP has never boxed in his life.......

he does like gladiator movies though

If you want to join the love fest just ask Dave...you don't have to fish for an invite...

It'll give you a break from the Spiked Vs Ross flame war anyway.....:D

[lkfmdc]

If you want to join the love fest just ask Dave...you don't have to fish for an invite...

It'll give you a break from the Spiked Vs Ross flame war anyway.....:D

recently uncovered footage of spike "boxing"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=27wt2S9-Fyo

[Spiked]

hate to break up the love fest, but you guys do realize that the OP has never boxed in his life.......

he does like gladiator movies though

Hate to break it to all of you but you do know David Ross has never done anything in his life except lama forms. Do not try to derail my thread. We have a productive discussion going on. You still have a more work to do before the Christmas season starts so keep eating. Lol

[lkfmdc]

Do not try to derail my thread.




boo hoo, you don't like me on your thread, tuff.... if you don't like it you can leave

I'll bet that by now almost the entire forum has figured out you are just a sad troll and won't care that I am "derailing" your fake thread......

[Spiked]

boo hoo, you don't like me on your thread, tuff.... if you don't like it you can leave

I'll bet that by now almost the entire forum has figured out you are just a sad troll and won't care that I am "derailing" your fake thread......

Gnight, little declawed kitty cat. Maybe I will give you a treat in the morning if you do not eat up all cupcakes tonight to calm yourself down. Get some tissues.

[lkfmdc]

he must be frothing at the mouth, his post are making less and less sense :D

do I bother you? yes, obviously, hah hah.... I'm not going anywhere so you'll have to leave before you have a nervous breakdown

:D

[bawang]

do u think hes one of the cardiokickboxers u milked? he sounds like he got humiliated in ur class.

[bawang]

Honestly, that ain't nothing to admit to or be proud of.

I think he must have known ross irl. dude been obsessing about ross for over 3 years. maybe a shy kid with assburger that trialed his class. and he only comes here when ross starts posting.

[Egg fu young]

Kung fu is largely known for its pugilistic practices. But for me western boxing has helped me a ton. My footwork and cardio are the first things that come to my mind. Anyone else box here?

I do :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ye4Pqb-rtew

I'd been doing the Bas Rutten Muay Thai workout (which is also on my YouTube page) but I got 8 stitches in the ball of my foot last week and am back to doing this one until I get them out.

[madhusudan]

For me, the Kyokushin I did really helped with aggression, attacking and punching power. Though I train solo for now, due to funds, I do have that in my background, so it helps with reality. Kyokushin, at least my experience of it, did not have the technical crispness and focus of boxing, but it does help with understanding being hit, dealing with some pain and damage, soldiering on and hopefully giving more than you take. I'd like to get into a boxing gym when I am able to gain from the experience.

Here is a long video, obviously uploaded to disparage Wing Chun - since every fight has them getting eaten alive. To me, it might represent the type of sissified kung fu people here are discussing, not necessarily just WC. If you watch enough of it you see the kung fu fighters standing around in a traditional guard without a clue as to how to direct the pace of the fight, make the other fighter cautious or much less how to win and give damage. Once the other fighter figures it out, they simply walk in and finish it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czDuH0R73kg

You can see at around 14:50 the Karate fighter has no fear of the WC fighter because with punches and kicks have no power. Finally, he simply wades through another probing punch and delivers a KO. As John said, he is there to eat his opponent alive.

So, yeah, aggression and power are two things missing in a lot of fantasy fighters. I am also working on that myself.

[Spiked]

For me, the Kyokushin I did really helped with aggression, attacking and punching power. Though I train solo for now, due to funds, I do have that in my background, so it helps with reality. Kyokushin, at least my experience of it, did not have the technical crispness and focus of boxing, but it does help with understanding being hit, dealing with some pain and damage, soldiering on and hopefully giving more than you take. I'd like to get into a boxing gym when I am able to gain from the experience.

Here is a long video, obviously uploaded to disparage Wing Chun - since every fight has them getting eaten alive. To me, it might represent the type of sissified kung fu people here are discussing, not necessarily just WC. If you watch enough of it you see the kung fu fighters standing around in a traditional guard without a clue as to how to direct the pace of the fight, make the other fighter cautious or much less how to win and give damage. Once the other fighter figures it out, they simply walk in and finish it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=czDuH0R73kg

You can see at around 14:50 the Karate fighter has no fear of the WC fighter because with punches and kicks have no power. Finally, he simply wades through another probing punch and delivers a KO. As John said, he is there to eat his opponent alive.

So, yeah, aggression and power are two things missing in a lot of fantasy fighters. I am also working on that myself.

It is that darn self defense training instilled in their minds, my friend. "As soon as the punch comes in slap it and throw your wing chun jab thing that works great in class". The problem is punches come in bunches and they discover the knockout blow doesn't happen after one wing chun jab.

I have no complaints about kyutoshin. That stuff is awesome but not for the general public. Boxing and mma can be at that level of fighting or it can be family friendly to get a workout.

[Iron_Eagle_76]

I heard boxing described once as the simple but complex fighting system. It is simple in that it works strictly punching, with the jab, cross, hook, and uppercut as the primary weapons being trained. However, footwork, feinting, head movement, entering strategy, all these things take time to master and become proficient in.

The main advantage in boxing is that it does not beat around the bush about how to gain this skill set, basics, mitt work, circuit, sparring. No nonsense.

I boxed for two years as an amateur after being involved in Kung Fu and Karate for several years. When I returned to Kung Fu I looked at things much differently and it improved my Kung Fu greatly.

[Spiked]

I heard boxing described once as the simple but complex fighting system. It is simple in that it works strictly punching, with the jab, cross, hook, and uppercut as the primary weapons being trained. However, footwork, feinting, head movement, entering strategy, all these things take time to master and become proficient in.

The main advantage in boxing is that it does not beat around the bush about how to gain this skill set, basics, mitt work, circuit, sparring. No nonsense.

I boxed for two years as an amateur after being involved in Kung Fu and Karate for several years. When I returned to Kung Fu I looked at things much differently and it improved my Kung Fu greatly.

Did your kung fu brothers get mad at you for beating them with "stuff that is not kung fu"? LOL

[Spiked]

A lot of hot women have been coming in using groupon recently. They never come back though atleast the ones that I check out on the down low. The real deal too much for hot women?

[lkfmdc]

Oh come on, by now you have to be used to hot women running away from you in terror :D

[Spiked]

Oh come on, by now you have to be used to hot women running away from you in terror :D

If they cannot handle round two that is on them. I aim to please...but just once.

[lkfmdc]

"round two" is what you call that little 2 incher of yours :confused:

[Spiked]

"round two" is what you call that little 2 incher of yours :confused:

Please stop trolling my thread and I. We concluded our business on the other thread...with me clearly winning.

Let it go. LOL

[MightyB]

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She adds: "About an inch [long] and it's shaped like a little *****. It looks like a little *****, you can roll back the foreskin..."

The '*****' is most likely her enlarged clitoris and the 'foreskin' is the clitoral hood.

[lkfmdc]

a troll who doesn't like being trolled? :rolleyes:

nah, I'll stick around and point out you're a raging tool....

[Spiked]

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That is sooo gross. I cannot even bring myself to click on the link.

[lkfmdc]

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former 80's porn star Vanessa Delrio went into body building and then back into the adult industry... same effect

[Spiked]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bRrWP7Rc8yk

[lkfmdc]

oh that's rich...

:rolleyes:

[Spiked]

Here is a video of Mike Tyson's great boxing defense.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uYZzMPsm6c4

I was taught similar moves by a tai chi teacher. He always said that these moves are within the form but you have to take them out and isolate. The question begs. What came first, chick or egg? Did he get it from tai chi or from boxing. He studies boxing as well though so I am inclined to think that MAYBE due to his training he saw the movements and isolated them OR he literally just added it into his training and called it tai chi. Who is to say the ancient tai cheese did not train this way?

Yes, I actually typed tai cheese as a funny pluralization of tai chi peeps

[Spiked]

You know what? I am just going to say it. He added it in from his boxing training. That is what I believe deep down and there is nothing wrong with what he did. I could see a traditionalist shaking his/her finger at us for doing somethign "extra".

[Kellen Bassette]

Yes, I actually typed tai cheese as a funny pluralization of tai chi peeps

That could actually stick....

[Spiked]

That could actually stick....

I hope it does. I see many tai cheese in the park every morning.

[David Jamieson]

Kung fu is largely known for its pugilistic practices. But for me western boxing has helped me a ton. My footwork and cardio are the first things that come to my mind. Anyone else box here?

Yep. I learned to box and boxed juvenile amateur before I took up Kung fu much later. It is a good skill set for sure.