jibengong / gebongung

[lkfmdc]

jiben gong (Mandarin)
gebonggung (Cantonese)
I am more cofortable with Cantonese obviously

http://www.eltaichixinyi.com/_/rsrc/1306138133359/Home/presentacion/glosario-de-simbolos-de-la-web/IdeogramaJiBenGong.jpg

Some are stylistic / particular to a style. Others are universal in all TCMA... let's discuss the universal ones

Ching Tek Teui (front stretch kick)
Wan Tek Teui (side stretch kick)
Pin Teui (inside crescent kick)
Baai Lihn Teui (outside crescent kick)
So Teui (sweeping leg)
Hou So Teui (back sweeping leg)

[PalmStriker]

:) Here is a link to the style for those who are unfamiliar, interesting how it resembles Lama Pai/Choy Li Fut in many ways, are they closely related, historically? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y01j78jQ4Bo

[lkfmdc]

:) Here is a link to the style for those who are unfamiliar, interesting how it resembles Lama Pai/Choy Li Fut in many ways, are they closely related, historically? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y01j78jQ4Bo

intersting stuff, but done way to slow... who has time to watch slow motion over and over again

my opnion, based upon some research of course, is that originally, especialy when used for actual combat, all TCMA had more in common than different....

Stylistic difference was marketing with commerical schools late in the game

[Kellen Bassette]

my opnion, based upon some research of course, is that originally, especialy when used for actual combat, all TCMA had more in common than different....

Stylistic difference was marketing with commerical schools late in the game

I think so too....I think at the fundamental level there is really only northern and southern method...since they obviously have a common root, it is all "Chinese Boxing."

Style is just a way to say, "here are the reasons my school is better than that guy's."

[pazman]

:) Here is a link to the style for those who are unfamiliar, interesting how it resembles Lama Pai/Choy Li Fut in many ways, are they closely related, historically? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y01j78jQ4Bo

Ji ben gong just means basics. The video shows a set of 18 movements that were at one time being promoted in Song Shan Shaolin, though I don't know how many schools in Dengfeng do the set shown in the video. Shi Decheng used this set (including two extra movements) to teach beginners. He would also teach a set of loose partner drills, but I don't know if he still does. Other Song Shan schools use a completely different set of basic drills. Most any school / teacher uses the "stretch kicks" that Mr. Ross listed.

The 18 shown in video are a great set for exercise and limbering up before serious training...I have taught a modified set to students looking for something fun to do when they do solo training.

[bawang]

in traditional kung fu jibengong means iron body and iron hand training + assorted weight training

[pazman]

in traditional kung fu jibengong means iron body and iron hand training + assorted weight training

Thankfully, all that sweaty mess has been replaced with zhanzhuang in silk pajamas.:o

[bawang]

even standing post was done with heavy weights.

*daily reminder of shame and disgrace of kung fu

[David Jamieson]

even standing post was done with heavy weights.

*daily reminder of shame and disgrace of kung fu

It still is. I guess it depends on your style and teacher.
There are many standing gongs that include holding/wearing weights.

[lkfmdc]

the use of weights and other equipment to train CMA is so well established and documented, I always scratch my head at those who try to deny it...

The Shaolin 18 jibengong, I have such mixed feelings... overly stylized and the applications shown in those video so painfully basic and unrealistic BUT.....

The concept is great, learn individual applications, drill them then drill them with a partner....

[YouKnowWho]

Some are stylistic / particular to a style.
Different system has different set of Jibengong. If you cross train many styles, you may have problem to find enough time to train all the Jibengong that's needed. If you don't train the Jibengong for a certain system, you are not truly cross train that style.

Here are some Jibengong for SC. If you don't devoted your training time into it, you will never be good in SC (you may just touch the surface of that system). You also need to spend time to maintain it. Without daily maintenance, your will lose it.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzQ4MzQ2MDQ0.html

I don't know how MMA guys may solve this problem. I'm sure boxing, MT, wrestling, and BJJ all have their special set of Jibengong.

[Spiked]

Different system has different set of Jibengong. If you cross train many styles, you may have problem to find enough time to train all the Jibengong that's needed. If you don't train the Jibengong for a certain system, you are not truly cross train that style.

Here are some Jibengong for SC. If you don't devoted your training time into it, you will never be good in SC (you may just touch the surface of that system). You also need to spend time to maintain it. Without daily maintenance, your will lose it.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzQ4MzQ2MDQ0.html

I don't know how MMA guys may solve this problem. I'm sure boxing, MT, wrestling, and BJJ all have their special set of Jibengong.


That guy is just practicing the drill for those particular throws. Bjj has tons of exercises that mimic what they do on the ground.

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EXjP50SOwK4


The Chinese did not invent exercise and conditioning. Some of you guys sound like you think the Chinese ones are special.

[YouKnowWho]

The Chinese did not invent exercise and conditioning. Some of you guys sound like you think the Chinese ones are special.


I'm sure boxing, MT, wrestling, and BJJ all have their special set of Jibengong.

I believe all systems have their Jibengong. The problem is do you have time to train all the Jibengong that you have cross trained.

The longfist system has many Jibengong. The SC system also have many Jibengong. If you just cross train these 2 systems, you will find that you training time has been stretched. This is why the day that I started my "cross training", the day that I gave up the form training and weapon training.

[Kellen Bassette]

That guy is just practicing the drill for those particular throws. Bjj has tons of exercises that mimic what they do on the ground.


Reading comprehension bro....slow down and sound out those words you quoted... :)

[YouKnowWho]

Some Jibengong are used to develop "offense" skill. Some Jibengong are used to develop the "defense" skill.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzI4NjI5NjA4.html

[lkfmdc]

Different system has different set of Jibengong. If you cross train many styles, you may have problem to find enough time to train all the Jibengong that's needed. If you don't train the Jibengong for a certain system, you are not truly cross train that style.

Here are some Jibengong for SC. If you don't devoted your training time into it, you will never be good in SC (you may just touch the surface of that system). You also need to spend time to maintain it. Without daily maintenance, your will lose it.

http://v.youku.com/v_show/id_XMzQ4MzQ2MDQ0.html

I don't know how MMA guys may solve this problem. I'm sure boxing, MT, wrestling, and BJJ all have their special set of Jibengong.

Kodokan Judo has over 60 RECOGNIZED throws and many more than that in reality, ou certainly know how many different Shuai Jiao throws there are, both are grappling arts so they have developed so many variations and with them different jibengong

In BJJ there are so many different positions and technique you learn and each can be drilled in certain jibengong

etc etc

But when you are in MMA... where the kick, punch, throw and submission are all legal, the technique pool actually shrinks.....

And for each person, their pool is unique

[YouKnowWho]

But when you are in MMA... where the kick, punch, throw and submission are all legal, the technique pool actually shrinks.....

And for each person, their pool is unique

So what you are saying is you only train those Jibengong that can enhance those moves that are effective in the ring. That may be a valid approach since the training time is limited.

Here is a problem. The following is "leg escape" Jibengong. It's used to escape your opponent's "foot sweep" and other leg attack.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BjHGahF2W0&feature=youtu.be

Since most MMA guys uses single leg and double legs, and also since the "leg escape" won't work for "single leg" or 'double legs", will you train this Jibengong?

If MMA guys are your only opponents, you may not need to train it. I haven't seen "foot sweep" used in MMA yet in the past. It doesn't mean that "foot sweep" won't be popular in the future.

What will you do in this situation?

[lkfmdc]

We do plenty of foot sweeps, so you have to learn to defend them

You must learn to hand fight, the "shuck", the "pluck", to underhook etc because these are answers to many common attacks

Reality is, you can spend your whole life learning martial arts, and still always learn something new, but you have to assume the most common and most high percentage should be 90% of your training

[YouKnowWho]

You must learn to hand fight, the "shuck", the "pluck", to underhook etc because these are answers to many common attacks ...

I also find it's quite useful to train how to escape underhook and overhook. When your opponent tries to

- underhook you, all you need is to raise your arm straight up.
- overhook you, all you need is to spin your arm along with your opponent's arm.

This is why it's better to use both arms when you apply underhook or overhook.

In the following clip, when he applied the right arm wrapping, since his opponent also rotated his arm, he had to wrap his arm twice to obtain his arm wrapping.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwX9-7fkD0Y

[-N-]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rwX9-7fkD0Y

I like science fiction and action, and I really wanted to like that movie. But the crappy fight scenes ruined it for me.