Kung fu quest 2: Ba Ji

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KTxzd_LKIew

:)

[Tainan Mantis]

good video

[SPJ]

I like simple and direct approaches of the style.

I also like the basic training of da qiang.

Great.

:cool:

[SPJ]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DyfpVLtgnM

A few apps explained.

As we may see, the drilling of a single posture is more important then long "forms".

We practice the posture/shape (xing) and power generation (jin gong) at the same time.

[SPJ]

A young boy having fun.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apm4ELWlPug

[Tainan Mantis]

The 2nd video you posted, Baji 32 Application video starts with the statement that; Baji was originally called Ba-zi.
This quote comes from General Qi's Ming dynasty manual Ji Shao Xin Shu

與巴子拳棍

"-and there is Bazi fist and staff."

With the assumption that the character for a rake is meant 耙 here. This has always seemed a bit uncharacteristic of martial art styles of the Ming which often use brave and heroic figures from history, mythical creatures and people, ferocious animals and super natural beings. And we end with a farmers tool, the rake for the most powerful of all. Seems a bit out of place to me. Especially since, at that time the story of Zhuu Bajie and his bumbling skills with a rake were widely known by the late Ming.

Yet, to my knowledge there has never been a provable link for this statement that modern Baji is indeed descended from "Bazi Quan" of the Ming.
SPJ, THanks for posting the interesting videos. Do you know of any information that would link modern Baji to Bazi?

[SPJ]

1. Origins of the style are still under active research.

2. Ji Xiao Xin Shu is referred to all the time. However, it described spear and not so much open hand boxing methods.

Other posters in the forum know more about this "manual".

3. Ba Zi

Ba Ji

are used to mean the same boxing/fighting methods.

4. Pi gua and Ba Ji used to be practiced together.

They separated.

More recently, they are coupled together again.

5. In the 2nd video, there are many pi gua moves in the "Ba Ji" 32 postures.

:)

[Tainan Mantis]

3. Ba Zi

Ba Ji

are used to mean the same boxing/fighting methods.

:)

Thanks for the detailed reply.
But, what I have not come across is any sort of early Qing evidence that ties ba-zi as a style to the BaJi that is practiced today.
Besides the fact that their pronunciation is similar what else is there?

I think not. There is a lot of research into Baji in Chinese and the seem to always gloss over this relationship without providing further evidence of a definite link.
I am not denying the link between bazi and Baji, just looking for another early source of confirmation.

[SPJ]

There is more information for Pi Gua research.

The research for origins of a style is always hindered with multiple sources of origin.

Some trace baji to moslem MA. Part of Cha Quan ?

Some trace baji to Shaolin.

Some trace baji to Daoist MA.

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:confused:

[SPJ]

A documentary that traced Baji to moslem MA.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l2T0odFoXfo

[bawang]

bazi means slapping.

[Tainan Mantis]

Very clear on the transmission. It looks like they have put their research together to make a point. Thanks for posting that video.