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Hendrik
02-28-2014, 03:10 PM
Opinion :

Whatever the case, you do not need a deep understanding of Qi for wing chun development. All of this talk of Qi in wing chun is just someone taking ideas from other MA's and trying to fit them into their sometimes incomplete idea of WC.


Fact:

Wing chun kuen is a traditional Chinese martial art based on ancient Chinese culture. Qi is a non replaceable part of in depth ancient Chinese culture and martial art elements . Qi support the physical body development and the Jin development of Wck in its own unique way.

Without this part of element, Wck is partial with reference to traditional Chinese martial art.





Opinion:

Similar to someoone mixing in snake/crane 100 years ago to flush out their missing wc trining. Or, it's just an attempt to make themselves stand out and look unique.


Fact:

Wing chun kuen DNA across the trackable older red boat Wck lineages such as : YKS, Snake Crane, And Yik Kam, is a fusion of the Fujian White Crane and Emei 12 zhuang.

In contrary, It is the modern created wing chun kuen lineages , in the past few decades , which divert from Wck snake crane DNA.

By examine the SNT set signature of the particular lineage will confirm and verify the fact.






Opinion:

Ok, please share with us your results since you started adding accumpuncture and medicine ideas into your wing chun.



Fact:

Chinese medicine , Qi, accupuncture points and medirians are always a part of WCK within SNT set since the creation of SNT set . Because SNT is a creation of pre 1850, and it follows Chinese culture and traditional Chinese martial art technology at that era.

In contrary, It is the lack of these elements indicated a modern creation lineage , or a lineage which has lost this part of the traditional teaching.

Wck is an ancient Chinese design, certainly not a western Newtonian physics time space design. Thus, Wck is based on Chinese culture.




Opinion:

What proven increase in fighting abilities have you personally experienced?
While wing chun practice does have health benifits, that is just a bi-product of the training. There are also phylisophical benifits for self growth. And we can do chi gung outside of WC for health benifits.

But the main reason for the existence of wing chun is for combat. All the theory, EKG reports, old scrolls, etc do not prove the results. Without proven increase in combat skills, what are we even talking about?




Fact:

In Ancient traditional Chinese martial art, Qi, health, strengthen the body , force flow handling and combat applications are one big un separate piece.

It is those who is lack of a full understanding of ancient transitional Chinese martial art system , will then fail to see the facts of these elements within wing chun kuen.




Opinion:

Qi doesn't exist. It is non sense.


Fact:

One can always model Qi as a fusion of bio chemical and bio electrical element which influence the bio mechanical.


Qi can be lead to travel in the medirians to heal or unblock stagnation to get instant relief, such as when one twisted a joint or pull muscle or after take a strike.

Activate Qi medirians switching can cause the arm to feel light weight or heavier such as in chi sau or real life application.



These are some of Qi and medirians handling capability for those who has formal training in Qi in SNT.
There is no mysterious but all scientific.

JPinAZ
02-28-2014, 03:15 PM
Not sure why you chose to take my replies to you off one thread just to start another one. Not enough attention lately?

Anway, my question still stands: With all of these 'facts' of yours just coming out in the past few years, where is your evidence that it improves your wing chun fighting ability at all? I am sure as a researcher you have actually tested this stuff against live opponents and don't jsut believe what you read/hear! In the end, wing chun is about combat. The results ARE the proof. please sahre yours with us all.

Hendrik
02-28-2014, 04:18 PM
So, the above facts are tangible things.

Anyone can do it if one is formally train and develop it.

Qi is one of the six core elements of snt. As share above, what the Chinese called Qi can be model as a fusion of bio chemical and bio electrical elements with western term. No need unended arguement, it is what it is , it is no god magic power or mysterious power or mind power...etc, if one develop it one has that capability. If one doesn't one don't. As simple as that.






Another element which is usually very confusing is Jin.

Lik means force generation or stationary force such as one grap ones fist to tense up and generate force.

Jin means on top of Lik one leads force to change dynamically or flow in some direction.






For Qi and Jin , There is no mysterious , not philosophy but tangible physical phenomenon. If one doesn't know what they are and how to develop them, how is one suppose to use them?

Wake up guys, see for yourself what it is before place an opinion or think it as some kind of magic power.



Since Jin is about the change of force or dynamic of force flow which based on biomechanics or joints , sinew , tendon , and muscle handling . One uses the Qi which is a biochemical and bio electrical to gain refine more control for biomechanics .

The snake slide worm move technology of emei 12 zhuang or the snake part of the SNT is for this type of development result very details refine crispy sharp joints or biomechanics handling and Jin handling. Thus, the set is named as Small or details training. And thus, the Jin develop is called inch Jin or short Jin due to the ability of fine control.

One doesn't need to be a rocket scientist to figure these out and make them works if one follow the instruction of the SNT designer.

tc101
02-28-2014, 04:47 PM
Correction:

Fact:

Qi does not exist. It is a form of vitalism. Vitalism has been proven false and discredited by modern science.

Opinion:

One can always model Qi as a fusion of bio chemical and bio electrical element which influence the bio mechanical.

Qi can be lead to travel in the medirians to heal or unblock stagnation to get instant relief, such as when one twisted a joint or pull muscle or after take a strike.

Activate Qi medirians switching can cause the arm to feel light weight or heavier such as in chi sau or real life application.

These are some of Qi and medirians handling capability for those who has formal training in Qi in SNT.
There is no mysterious but all scientific.

Hendrik
02-28-2014, 05:57 PM
Correction:

Fact:

Qi does not exist. It is a form of vitalism. Vitalism has been proven false and discredited by modern science.



Doesn't matter on aether theory or vitalism theory or philosophy .

Radio communication or Qi medirians handling works disregards of what .

LFJ
03-02-2014, 02:35 AM
What's a medirian? :confused:

JPinAZ
03-03-2014, 06:49 PM
Hendrik's talks a lot of theory on all of these threads regarding 'chi', but can't point to any evidence in any of them - no verifiable research data, no proven skill development, no 'results' in fighting - no proven anything! Without being able to apply chi in application and no testing of his chi he's developed in snt for fighting, he's just blowing hot gas.

Maybe that's why it's stinky around here lately, Hendrik's chi is just hot gas blowing out his backside! LOL! Hey, maybe he did find a defensive use for his 'chi' after all among the noxious clouds in his living room? And maybe that's why he's all alone in most of his videos - no one can stand his stinky chi!! :eek:

I found a few clips of what he's been talking about!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=khMYrQkA4fo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wLPfuwc2Beg
Hahaha. Now that's some fahrt ging hendrik - good job! :o

Hendrik
03-04-2014, 07:32 AM
For those who is interested on facts of the ancient Chinese martial art on Qi development and how it influence power generatin and handling.

The following is the details writing on Qi development of Xing yi and white crane of fujian
These are all in Chinese, I hope some days some one translate these all to English to bring this part of tcma element to the west soon. Let the westerners know exactly what ancient chinless means by Qi as it is and what is it significant.


Wing chun kuen has this part of development in the SNT otherwise because it is an ancient tcma as the above style.



http://m.blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_6100d5d60100et2x.html?sudaref=www.google.com# page=2

http://www.360doc.com/content/11/1102/15/777150_161091586.shtml

tc101
03-04-2014, 09:18 AM
Wing chun kuen has this part of development in the SNT otherwise because it is an ancient tcma as the above style.


Actually just the opposite I would say that wing chun is a relatively new not ancient chinese martial art. The Red Boat period was what maybe late 1800s and Foshan era pre WW II and then Cultural Revolution era.

Minghequan
03-04-2014, 07:22 PM
Actually just the opposite I would say that wing chun is a relatively new not ancient chinese martial art. The Red Boat period was what maybe late 1800s and Foshan era pre WW II and then Cultural Revolution era.

Absolutely agree! Hendrik is putting the "tail before the donkey!"