northern gong fu striking resembles sanda striking . Tell me more ?

[Firehawk4]

I would like to know more about this northern gong fu striking resembles sanda striking ?

[Firehawk4]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rDvgRJlxtH4

[pazman]

Not quite true.

Sanda striking can look like whatever you want it to, as it's a format. It really depends on what the coach's background is. I've trained under coaches who've had western boxing, xingyi, or cailifo in their background, but when the sparring starts, you only notice small differences or occasional tricks that each style brings. Whatever northern gongfu I've learned typically has more dramatic defense/counterattack rhythms than western boxing, and attacks are either linear or moving in a forward zig-zag.

Anyone who says that their shaolin gongfu evaporates into mist as soon they put on boxing gloves is just being silly.

[YouKnowWho]

Sanda training in south Taiwan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUpaxDJ2Hus

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Sanda training in south Taiwan.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUpaxDJ2Hus

Haha. The guy at 2:52.

Is he the teacher?

[Kellen Bassette]

I would like to know more about this northern gong fu striking resembles sanda striking ?

Both like to utilize long range striking.

[Kellen Bassette]

Haha. The guy at 2:52.

Is he the teacher?

I'm pretty sure he's the villain. :eek:

[YouKnowWho]

Haha. The guy at 2:52.

Is he the teacher?

He is Roger Su who had defeated Robert Smith, a 3rd degree black belt in Judo when Roger was only 17 years old with only 1 and 1/2 year of SC training.

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He is Roger Su who had defeated Robert Smith, a 3rd degree black belt in Judo when Roger was only 17 years old with only 1 and 1/2 year of SC training.

He looked like he had ability.

Any clips of him in action?

[YouKnowWho]

He looked like he had ability.

Any clips of him in action?

Here is a demo clip.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOxna8mSTco

[RenDaHai]

I have trained a lot of traditional northern Kung fu in China, i find it in no way similar to sanda striking.

[xinyidizi]

I have trained a lot of traditional northern Kung fu in China, i find it in no way similar to sanda striking.

I'm sure there are lots of differences in stance, close range short power, footwork and follow up attacks but what do you think is the difference between them in just jab, cross, uppercut and hook?

[mickey]

Greetings,

If all you get is four hand strikes out of your style, you would be better off with boxing. Save on your money.

mickey

[YouKnowWho]

I'm sure there are lots of differences in stance, close range short power, footwork and follow up attacks but what do you think is the difference between them in just jab, cross, uppercut and hook?

IMO, the TCMA use low stance such as the bow-arrow stance that may be good for training but may not be suitable for the striking art (the throwing art does need low stance). Also the way that TCMA may use jab, cross, uppercut and hook are usually used when arm bridge or grip is established (clinch) which may be different from the boxing which is a "pure" striking art.

A TCMA guy may use his left palm to

- press down his opponent's leading arm and then use his uppercut to at his chin.
- grab on his opponent's leading left arm and then use his hook to aim at his head.
- grab on his opponent's leading left arm and then use his cross to aim at his chest/head.

A boxer will never use his left hand this way. As far as the jab, a TCMA guy and a boxer may apply the same way.

[YouKnowWho]

Greetings,

If all you get is four hand strikes out of your style, you would be better off with boxing. Save on your money.

mickey

The problem is if you are a boxer and you also cross train the throwing art, you may have difficulty for your integration. A boxer will not have the "bridge (clinch)" concept which is a must for the striking art and grappling art integration. If your goal is to have a good striking art, the boxing may be better than the TCMA. If your goal is striking and grappling integration, the TCMA is definitely better than the boxing.

[RenDaHai]

I'm sure there are lots of differences in stance, close range short power, footwork and follow up attacks but what do you think is the difference between them in just jab, cross, uppercut and hook?

Well, as much as can be. Wrist angle, alignment of knuckles to target, which joints are moving which are locked, body mechanic, the targeting, the timing, the trajectory, the position it initiates from (rarely the standard guard) and the method of combination of said punches.

[mickey]

Greetings YKW,

Check out the following clip. Though it is Western boxing, the clinches do allow for combative approaches to the throw. It comes down to how down and dirty you want to be. There are opportunities for nose bites, head butts, elbows, all that would lead up to a throw. There are opportunities for a wide variety of throws. It is not so much the bridge as is the timing. The boxer knows how to seize the moment whether through action or reaction. The bridge actually begins from within.

mickey

[bawang]

if you keep your hands up and tuck your chin to protect your face, you are not a real kung fu warrior. you have been tainted with evil knucklehead kickboxing.

[YouKnowWho]

if you keep your hands up and tuck your chin to protect your face, you are not a real kung fu warrior. you have been tainted with evil knucklehead kickboxing.

If you hold a big fist, hide your head behind it, straight both of your arms, run toward your opponent like a mad man, you are a real kung fu warrior without any evil knucklehead kickboxing influence.

[RenDaHai]

if you keep your hands up and tuck your chin to protect your face, you are not a real kung fu warrior. you have been tainted with evil knucklehead kickboxing.

Putting your hands up and tucking in your chin cuts off a large amount of your peripheral vision. Its fine when squaring off against one, but stuff doesn't go down like that in my experience. In antique Wushu, when weapons are involved, cutting out your peripheral vision is suicidal. The head can dodge very fast, but the body cannot. Of course a high guard must be used when it is time, but I don't think its a good idea to stand there like that. If your focused on the guy in front of you it is the one to the side who hits you.

[bawang]

Putting your hands up and tucking in your chin cuts off a large amount of your peripheral vision. Its fine when squaring off against one, but stuff doesn't go down like that in my experience. In antique Wushu, when weapons are involved, cutting out your peripheral vision is suicidal. The head can dodge very fast, but the body cannot. Of course a high guard must be used when it is time, but I don't think its a good idea to stand there like that. If your focused on the guy in front of you it is the one to the side who hits you.

shaolin essentials of boxing: "the boxer who doesn't even keep his hands up and head down is the lowest level of garbage fighter. this is the third level."



*rubs testicles

[Kellen Bassette]

Putting your hands up and tucking in your chin cuts off a large amount of your peripheral vision. Its fine when squaring off against one, but stuff doesn't go down like that in my experience. In antique Wushu, when weapons are involved, cutting out your peripheral vision is suicidal. The head can dodge very fast, but the body cannot. Of course a high guard must be used when it is time, but I don't think its a good idea to stand there like that. If your focused on the guy in front of you it is the one to the side who hits you.

If your holding a weapon your guard will be different than empty handed, that goes without saying. If you are circling outside of striking range, extending the arms with the head up is fine. When you are in striking range, if you don't keep your hands up and your chin down, your going to have a bad time.

[YouKnowWho]

When you are in striking range, if you don't keep your hands up and your chin down, your going to have a bad time.

IMO, When you are in striking range, to extend your arms and make your hands to be closer to your opponent's face will give you much better defense than just to guard your arms next to your face. I'll going to test this as much as I can.

[Kellen Bassette]

IMO, When you are in striking range, to extend your arms and make your hands to be closer to your opponent's face will give you much better defense than just to guard your arms next to your face. I'll going to test this as much as I can.

Makes it easier to clinch, harder to strike...depends on your game...

[xinyidizi]

IMO, When you are in striking range, to extend your arms and make your hands to be closer to your opponent's face will give you much better defense than just to guard your arms next to your face. I'll going to test this as much as I can.

At the end of the day close range striking and grappling wins.

[Happy panda]

He is Roger Su who had defeated Robert Smith, a 3rd degree black belt in Judo when Roger was only 17 years old with only 1 and 1/2 year of SC training.

In Robert w smith's book he claimed he defeated the Chang Tung Shen's seniors with his judo and then they got mad and told him to use only swai jiao. I could see this happening as judo competition had more rules and therefore more skills sets required like groundwork.

I doubt Roger Su defeated a judo blackbelt with only 1.5 years of wrestling training. That sounds more like wishful hoping and Chinese myth. How old was Robert w smith when this supposed match occurred?

RWS says a lot of nonesense and bs in his books but this story sounds like bs. He may have loved the internal kool aide but he was definitely good at judo.

[YouKnowWho]

In Robert w smith's book he claimed he defeated the Chang Tung Shen's seniors with his judo and then they got mad and told him to use only swai jiao. I could see this happening as judo competition had more rules and therefore more skills sets required like groundwork.

I doubt Roger Su defeated a judo blackbelt with only 1.5 years of wrestling training. That sounds more like wishful hoping and Chinese myth. How old was Robert w smith when this supposed match occurred?

RWS says a lot of nonesense and bs in his books but this story sounds like bs. He may have loved the internal kool aide but he was definitely good at judo.

If Robert Smith didn't make that statement in his book, I won't even want to mention that event. It's ancient history now. We had this discussion in this forum many years ago when Robert Smith was still alive. I still have the E-mail that Roger Su sent to me last time.

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Dear John ,

BB. The Story About Robert Smith Wrestling With Me & Sheng Tsung-Hui Is 100% By Truth In Central Police College When He Was In Taipei & Introduced By Uncle Chow Chi-Tsung (周繼春) Who Was A Colonel In Air Forces & A Closing Friend Of Grandmaster Chang Our Teacher That Time ! I Couldn't Remember Clearly About Which Year But Anyway It's The First Year When He Met Grandmaster Chang In Taipei ! I'm Still Rememberring The "Secene" Very Clearring Such As Firstly ; Grandmaster Chang Was Joking To Tell Us That Robert Smith's Shoes Is So Big Just Like A Pair Of Boats !
Second ; When We Start For Wrestle Matching I Found That My Head Is Just Reaching His Breast & He Was Getting A Special Smelling From His Body !
Thirdth ; He Got Ａ Very Strong & Powerful Judo Specilist Techneque Of "Ashibalai 送腳掃" !
At That Night Uncle Chow Chi-Tsung Was Just Sitting Besiding Grandmaster Chang In The ShuaiChiao Gem Of Central Police College ! He Is Now Changing His Name As Chow Chien-Nan(周劍南) ! His House Phone Will Be "8862-2763-3003" & Address Will Be "3rd. Fl., Number 3, Alley 3 , Lane 69, Sec. 5, Ming Sheng E. Road , Taipei City " Which Was Giving From Himself To Me At Many Years Ago ! You May Try To Call Him & Find Out These From States If He Is Still There ! If Master Robert Smith Is Beliving With God He Shouldn't Denying About This Turth Due To There Is Only One Thruth In The World !!! I Agreed That Those ShuaiChiao Students In Central Police College At That Time Were Not Able To Beatting Him But Not Me & Sheng Tsung-Hui Althout We Were Just Teenage Boys At That Time ! I'm Crossing My Heart In Front Of God For Telling This To Everybody !
CC. As You Are My Younger Brotherhood In ShuaiChiao I'll Like To Suggest You For Respectful Every School Of Martial Arts & Being Hombles Always ! Any Martial Art's Strength Have To Be Proving On Tournament Matchings ! I Wish That No Matter How Robert Smith Is Still Remenber That Sence Which I'm Telling Aboved Or Not ? But Please Just Stopping Fighting In Internet & No More Mention It Again ! Times Is Changing Every Day ! Again ! Every Kind Of Martial Arts Want To Be Proving Their Strength Have To Be On Tournament Fightings ! This Is My Last Mention About Master Robert Smith & Me ! I Am Respectful To Every School Of Martial Arts ! I'll Sulute To Him If Master Smith Is Still Remember Me !?

Brother Roger

[Happy panda]

This is a case of he said she said. We may never know the truth.

[bawang]

kung fu bickering bores me. the last exiciting kung fu event was the boxing rebellion.

-some fat guy wrestling some Taiwan fat guy 2 times then bragging about it for 40 years

vs

-ten thousand golden warriors high on opium and charging machine guns with guan daos