Choy Lay Fut vs Bagua

[lkfmdc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LLVjwGKXjH8&feature=youtu.be

Gus "Green Cloud Kung Fu" accepted the challlenge of Novell "Black Taoist" Bell

Long time members may remember Gus issuing several challenges on this very forum in the past

[Rolling Fists]

I was not entertained.

Choy Lei Wah Duh Fut was that?

[Firehawk4]

How ccome they where not aloud to do grappling would that have made the fight different ?

[Dragonzbane76]

wasn't listening to audio. I'm presuming no grappling allowed. Was it a staged thing? Worst habit to have in fighting DROPPING YOUR HANDS.

[jimbob]

Well.......that was interesting.....

[lkfmdc]

It was not staged, just Novell was a good guy and after he realized that Gus had nothing, he stopped hitting him in the face..

If you are a long time member, you will remember all the trash talk and challenges that Gus threw out here... kind of funny now to think about all that

[Rolling Fists]

It was not staged, just Novell was a good guy and after he realized that Gus had nothing, he stopped hitting him in the face..

If you are a long time member, you will remember all the trash talk and challenges that Gus threw out here... kind of funny now to think about all that

Shame... I was hoping for a good matchup when I first saw a CLF "master" was to spar with BT. I didn't expect to see a Sifu allow so many failed attempts to block strikes to his head or turn his back towards the enemy under pressure.

Don't know Gus' past history but either he hasn't sparred much or he just gave up.

[CLFNole]

Not much CLF or Lama to be seen so I am not sure I would call it CLF vs Bagua.

[Orion Paximus]

Yikes. Novell had reach and speed in his favor.... well and I guess skill too.

[lkfmdc]

Not much CLF or Lama to be seen so I am not sure I would call it CLF vs Bagua.

but for years Gus Kaparos talked about he was the best thing since sliced bread and the real master of both CLF and Lama Pai... how is this possible ;):p:D

[jimbob]

I've been here since 98 and while I don't specifically recall Gus challenging people (I DID have quite a few lengthy breaks from this forum) I do remember his posting.

Seems a shame for him to have this appear after his profile on Sinovision recently - although he may well be a very good teacher.

Still, it didn't look like he'd done much in the way of live training at all - which I would say is quite unusual for CLF in general. Not even any semblance of a guard at all.....

[lkfmdc]

Seems a shame for him to have this appear after his profile on Sinovision recently -




Well, clearly you miss the irony... this all happened BECAUSE of his sinovision piece, where he lied about a ton of stuff and got called on it... running his mouth in response he wrote a check his body couldn't cash

[pazman]

Wow, that's a really embarrassing video.

If I were his coach I'd tell him keep his hands up and put some heart into what's he's doing.

Then again, he's a genuine kung fu master so he probably already knows that?:rolleyes:

[jimbob]

Well, clearly you miss the irony... this all happened BECAUSE of his sinovision piece, where he lied about a ton of stuff and got called on it... running his mouth in response he wrote a check his body couldn't cash

Oh - I didn't realise that.

Well - serves him right then!

I'll spend some time later going through the archives and seeing how he presented himself.

[lkfmdc]

I'll spend some time later going through the archives and seeing how he presented himself.

I can save you at least some time

https://www.facebook.com/lionroarsanda/media_set?set=a.10200903852519085.1073741834.18483 36234&type=3

[GoldenBrain]

Yeah, he clearly let his alligator mouth overload his humming bird ass.

I only watched through the first round and the entire time I wanted to yell at him through my monitor... KEEP YOUR EFFING HANDS UP!!! Especially against a taller guy with a reach advantage.

[jimbob]

I can save you at least some time

https://www.facebook.com/lionroarsanda/media_set?set=a.10200903852519085.1073741834.18483 36234&type=3

Ha - holy $hit. Thank you Dave - that's some good weekend reading.

[lkfmdc]

his profile on Sinovision recently -



in regards to the Sinovision debacle..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPLnrJENFk0

[jimbob]

in regards to the Sinovision debacle..... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPLnrJENFk0

Interesting. I take it then he wasn't really all that prominent a student of CTS???? ;)

I must have been on a forum hiatus when he was posting regularly here, although somewhere in the dusty recesses of my mind I recall the whole Green Cloud Monastery discussion.

Shame he made CLF look like $hit though.

[PalmStriker]

Vid has been taken off-line. :D

[lkfmdc]

Vid has been taken off-line. :D

here are some versions for you to watch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDAh4lIrZIk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j0jEVzrsKuI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kmc0r4t0Ado

and don't worry, we have MORE coming :D

[Syn7]

Why didn't Bell lay into him? Did he not want to knock him out? Were they allowed to actually punch? I don't get it.

[dcrjradmonish]

Why didn't Bell lay into him? Did he not want to knock him out? Were they allowed to actually punch? I don't get it.

http://blacktaoist.com/manup.asp

See Number 2 Under Spar Equipment.

[lkfmdc]

Why didn't Bell lay into him? Did he not want to knock him out? Were they allowed to actually punch? I don't get it.

Novell is just a nice guy who after the first round didn't want to punch him in the face anymore. Pretty much everything he threw landed, Gus was a bloody mess, and Gus' "friends" tried to "help him" by giving him rest period and toweling off the blood.. so Novell started just throwing body shots and knees

[lkfmdc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGtlwZJIEA0&feature=youtu.be

funny funny hah hahh

[Happy panda]

Novel Bell is never fighting anyone his own size. NEVER. The guy he is fighting is smaller, weaker, older, and has a shorter reach. Who do you think is going to win???


Dave Ross, put up the video of your sN da match to validate all your training and teaching. Post the link right now so we can see your san da/lama/choy li fat skills.


Let me save you all time. Dave won't post it and he wishes it never happened because it exposed him as a fraud. Your fight happened a long time ago Dave...when you were younger and training. Gus is an older man now. Show your fight video or be quiet.

[Shǎguā]

All I'm getting from this thread is that Lama Pai sucks, both in terms of fight-effectiveness and character development.

[lkfmdc]

Here comes Gus goon squad to try and distract you from the truth, which is that Gus is a compulsive liar

These clips are Gus himself, in his own words, lying his ass off

Gus claims to have learned Muay THai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxuZzl2roWc

Gus tells some nonsense story about beating up a group of people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGtlwZJIEA0

TONS OF LIES in this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPLnrJENFk0

Gus cries when Novell hits him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDAh4lIrZIk

[Happy panda]

Here comes Gus goon squad to try and distract you from the truth, which is that Gus is a compulsive liar

These clips are Gus himself, in his own words, lying his ass off

Gus claims to have learned Muay THai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxuZzl2roWc

Gus tells some nonsense story about beating up a group of people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGtlwZJIEA0

TONS OF LIES in this one
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPLnrJENFk0

Gus cries when Novell hits him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDAh4lIrZIk




The fact that you took the time to make all this shows how pathetic and immature you are.

Ross wanted Gus's sinovision episode taken down acted like a little biatch. When they wouldn't comply he started all this nonesense. Pathetic.

Gus is old and not a fighter. He teaches kung fu which we all know is nonesense. You on the other hand leavers and teach san dA and how did that turn out for you when you fought? Many lols. Someone please find Ross's San da fight.

[lkfmdc]

SinoVision received over 50 requests to take down Gus' aweful clip because it was full of lies and inacurracies... they even got a letter from Jyu Chyuhn's family in China and Pak Hok Associaiton in Hong Kong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPLnrJENFk0

If Gus didn't want to get called out, he shouldn't have told a pile of lies....

These clips are Gus himself, in his own words, lying his ass off

Gus claims to have learned Muay THai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxuZzl2roWc

Gus tells some nonsense story about beating up a group of people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGtlwZJIEA0

Gus cries when Novell hits him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDAh4lIrZIk

How did he end up fighting Novell? HIS BIG MOUTH... his mouth wrote a check he couldn't cash

[Happy panda]

You don't fight. You hide behind the Internet and lawyers. Why don't you get on the mat and fight Novell. You won't. :)


Just keep repeating yourself.

Everyone feel free to check out some of Dave Ross's crooked businesse methods.


http://m.yelp.com/biz/new-york-san-da-new-york

[lkfmdc]

There it is folks, DESPERATION

Gus got caught in all his lies and nonsense and took a beating, now he wants to distract everyone from his bull****

SinoVision received over 50 requests to take down Gus' aweful clip because it was full of lies and inacurracies... they even got a letter from Jyu Chyuhn's family in China and Pak Hok Associaiton in Hong Kong

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MPLnrJENFk0

If Gus didn't want to get called out, he shouldn't have told a pile of lies....

These clips are Gus himself, in his own words, lying his ass off

Gus claims to have learned Muay THai
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BxuZzl2roWc

Gus tells some nonsense story about beating up a group of people
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hGtlwZJIEA0

Gus cries when Novell hits him
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IDAh4lIrZIk

How did he end up fighting Novell? HIS BIG MOUTH... his mouth wrote a check he couldn't cash

[lkfmdc]

Gus couldn't keep his mouth shut on this forum either!

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[lkfmdc]

It isn't hard to find this stuff, there are thousands of examples of it!

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[Orion Paximus]

Man I am digging BlackTaoist's "ManupStandup" idea. I would love to see this take off. Maybe we could put together a traditional fight league that can help pay for expenses like travel and lodging since that seems to be the most widely utilized excuse for not participating.

[lkfmdc]

Novell and I seem to be getting along brilliantly and I'd like to help his league, maybe there is going to be some good things in the near future

[Happy panda]

Novell and I seem to be getting along brilliantly and I'd like to help his league, maybe there is going to be some good things in the near future

Post your fight video, Ross. Show everyone that instead of being a skilled lama pai fighter you really just went to Chinatown to eat pie.

[lkfmdc]

Poor sad panda.... can't grasp basic concepts

It's about Gus Kaparos and all his LIES

It's about Gus Kaparos tossing out challenges and **** tucking for over a decade

It's about Gus talking his way into a challenge with Novell and then getting humiliated

[lkfmdc]

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"it didn't work like this in all those movies"

[Happy panda]

Poor sad panda.... can't grasp basic concepts

It's about Gus Kaparos and all his LIES

It's about Gus Kaparos tossing out challenges and **** tucking for over a decade

It's about Gus talking his way into a challenge with Novell and then getting humiliated

This has nothing to do with Gus. I don't care about him. I care that you're crapping on him when you were in a similar situation years ago. You got knocked out in about 2 seconds like a little b!tch. It was the fastest san da match ever. How are you trying to expose someone else when you're also living in a glass house?

There is only video of you demoing and never sparring. Why is that? "Cause I'm a fat coach now." That excise doesn't fly when you're trying to humiliate someone else. The truth is the old man who taught all of you was garbage. He was never a fighter. Where is the proof? And everything he taught you knuckleheads....just look at your fight and Gus's to know it was all non-sense. Your teacher was a fat biatch like yourself who had too much dim sum and not enough training. Lol

Post your fight video, Ross.

[lkfmdc]

Gus' antics are preserved here for ALL TO SEE....

His lies are preserved in HIS OWN WORDS...

Poor unhappy panda, obviously a student of Gus' who after holding his balls for so long is having a nervous breakdown....

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[pazman]

This has nothing to do with Gus. I don't care about him. I care that you're crapping on him when you were in a similar situation years ago. You got knocked out in about 2 seconds like a little b!tch. It was the fastest san da match ever. How are you trying to expose someone else when you're also living in a glass house?

There is only video of you demoing and never sparring. Why is that? "Cause I'm a fat coach now." That excise doesn't fly when you're trying to humiliate someone else. The truth is the old man who taught all of you was garbage. He was never a fighter. Where is the proof? And everything he taught you knuckleheads....just look at your fight and Gus's to know it was all non-sense. Your teacher was a fat biatch like yourself who had too much dim sum and not enough training. Lol

Post your fight video, Ross.

As I recall he DID post a video of his sanda match, but I am unaware of Mr. Ross claiming he was a great fighter.

Mr. Ross might be a bad amateur fighter, but Gus lacks even the most basic of fighting skills, lies about his experiences, and then passes himself off as a kung fu master.

[lkfmdc]

pazman, you obviously grasp the issues here, but still

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[Happy panda]

As I recall he DID post a video of his sanda match, but I am unaware of Mr. Ross claiming he was a great fighter.

Mr. Ross might be a bad amateur fighter, but Gus lacks even the most basic of fighting skills, lies about his experiences, and then passes himself off as a kung fu master.


Why doesn't Ross post his fight video now. Perfect timing.

I'm not one of Gus's students. I'm a guy who sees past all your Chinatown bs. You guys learns forms from chan tai san. There's no video of anything else. Why would anyone assume you and Gus could fight? You guys can't. None of the fat patties from your inner door group can fight.

Pazman, where is the proof that Ross has the most basic of fighting skills? He has NO videos od himself sparring. NONE. Do you hold him to the same standard?
Ross,what are you and your fatty patty friends ordering at dim sum this weekend? Cause we all know yin aren't training. Lol.

[Faux Newbie]

I hate humans.

[jimbob]

Happy Panda - how old are you?

[Happy panda]

Happy Panda - how old are you?

Old enough to know that this isn't the first time Ross had tried to embarrass his more talented brother Gus. Do a google search. Ross was all over bulls bideo trying this nonsense with Gus. I'm old enough to know that Ross was always the heavy Chan tai san guy who was known as a forms guy and as someone with Kung fu knowledge(forms applications, history) and not someone who sparred. He was never considered talented except at forms. Just look at all his old videos as they are all forms.

I'm old enough to know that Ross talked about being a champion when it all it was was him winning a tkd tournament in his TEENS. His mom still has the picture on his old fridgerator. I'm old enough to know that Ross would go around and ask/demand teaching certificates from teachers after only being with them for a few months and sucking. This muddies his so called credentials.

I'm old enough to remember seeing him getting knocked out. He won't even achknowledgement the San da fight let alone show it because this thread will turn on him so fast. Unfortunately, Ross is upset that a gimpy Gus is still more talented than he. Gus was neon half retard(physically) and he was/is still better than Ross except at online slandering which Ross is amazing at.


Dave Ross, please let us all see your san da fight.

[Frost]

Old enough to know that this isn't the first time Ross had tried to embarrass his more talented brother Gus. Do a google search. Ross was all over bulls bideo trying this nonsense with Gus. I'm old enough to know that Ross was always the heavy Chan tai san guy who was known as a forms guy and as someone with Kung fu knowledge(forms applications, history) and not someone who sparred. He was never considered talented except at forms. Just look at all his old videos as they are all forms.

I'm old enough to know that Ross talked about being a champion when it all it was was him winning a tkd tournament in his TEENS. His mom still has the picture on his old fridgerator. I'm old enough to know that Ross would go around and ask/demand teaching certificates from teachers after only being with them for a few months and sucking. This muddies his so called credentials.

I'm old enough to remember seeing him getting knocked out. He won't even achknowledgement the San da fight let alone show it because this thread will turn on him so fast. Unfortunately, Ross is upset that a gimpy Gus is still more talented than he. Gus was neon half retard(physically) and he was/is still better than Ross except at online slandering which Ross is amazing at.


Dave Ross, please let us all see your san da fight.

then you are also old enough to remember that chris and mike (sorry for using their first names cant remember their last ones) class mates with Ross also called bull on all the crap Gus posted, like meeting CTS as an orphan and being adopted by him when he actually met him in his 20s and gus’s parents are still alive, like claiming something like 10 blackbelts when he only had one, like claiming to have learned monkey kung fu from a secret source then having it pointed out he made the set up
I could go on and on but those are just ones I remember off the top of my head

[pazman]

From greencloud.net:


The name Green Cloud in Chinese is Chin Whan Ji or sometimes called Lyk Whan Ji. Unlike other martial arts schools, we are just an extension of the Green Cloud Monastery, which is still in Toisan China.

Say what?

[Dale Dugas]

Gus has shown he has been trying to cash checks with his mouth that his body obviously are bouncing. He showed no skills other than getting hit.

Gus is a mouthboxer.

David on the other hand has produced enough champions for the average person with half a brain to see that he knows what he is talking about.

Lying does nothing but come back to bite you in the a ss. Seems Gus has a lot of bite marks on his backside.

Happy Panda is either Eric Hargrove, Gus, or some nutrider of Gus who cannot accept the facts that Gus is not what he claims to be.

His fight with Novell was a disgusting and lame showcase. Gus was bloodied up and took many shots. If he is half the Kung Fu Master he claims to be, why did he look like he has no idea what he is talking about. Oh wait.....

Happy Panda, are you Eric Hargrove?

[lkfmdc]

Poor unhappy and stupid Panda, grumpy and looking for attention....

Yup, seems most of the forum remembers Gus many LIES, like

1. Saying he was adopted as an orphan at a young age by CTS, only to admit on this very forum that he was 24 when he met CTS in 1990
NOw, a couple of years later, he's back on SinoVision saying he was 17.... CTS wasn't in the US when Gus was 17

2. Gus claims 10 black belts but after being asked repeatedly on here, only talked about a "master zuzzio" who gave him a black belt in goju
Wilfredo Roldan, head of Nisei Goju, said in a letter posted HERE that he never heard of a "master zuzzio"

Now, of course, Gus in his sinovision piece is saying instead that he beat up master zuzzio and got the keys to his school.....

3. Gus claims he studied Thai boxing starting at the age of 10... that would have been 1977,,, what thai boxing school was open in Long Island in 1977? ANd, of course, looking at Gus knowing absolutely ZERO about defending against the most basic of knee strikes LMFAO

[lkfmdc]

Again, all of Gus' lies and nonsene was captured on this very forum

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[lkfmdc]

and YES, bullshido did in fact do a piece on Gus' many lies.....

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[Happy panda]

then you are also old enough to remember that chris and mike (sorry for using their first names cant remember their last ones) class mates with Ross also called bull on all the crap Gus posted, like meeting CTS as an orphan and being adopted by him when he actually met him in his 20s and gus’s parents are still alive, like claiming something like 10 blackbelts when he only had one, like claiming to have learned monkey kung fu from a secret source then having it pointed out he made the set up
I could go on and on but those are just ones I remember off the top of my head

Frost, they all had a falling out with him. They don't like him either.

[Happy panda]

Gus has shown he has been trying to cash checks with his mouth that his body obviously are bouncing. He showed no skills other than getting hit.

Gus is a mouthboxer.

David on the other hand has produced enough champions for the average person with half a brain to see that he knows what he is talking about.

Lying does nothing but come back to bite you in the a ss. Seems Gus has a lot of bite marks on his backside.

Happy Panda is either Eric Hargrove, Gus, or some nutrider of Gus who cannot accept the facts that Gus is not what he claims to be.

His fight with Novell was a disgusting and lame showcase. Gus was bloodied up and took many shots. If he is half the Kung Fu Master he claims to be, why did he look like he has no idea what he is talking about. Oh wait.....

Happy Panda, are you Eric Hargrove?

Dale, you are one to talk. All your videos are of walking around in circles and breaking bricks that don't hit back. You're the best mouth over on here. Your ba gua teacher is more fraudulent than David Blaine. He was a "Texas ranger."

[Frost]

Frost, they all had a falling out with him. They don't like him either.

its not a falling out when you get caught in a lie saying you were adopted by CTS 10 years before you actually met him and before he even camer to the states..., ....or when you claim blackbelts you cant actually show any evidence for.... thats simply being caught out in lies
are you Gus by any chance, or just so challanged you have a hard time reading simple facts?

take away the fact that Ross or his mates no longer like Gus, you are still left with the facts that Gus lied on this forum, unless you think he was adopted by someone who was not in the country at the time and wouldnt be for a decade or so??????

[Dale Dugas]

Dale, you are one to talk. All your videos are of walking around in circles and breaking bricks that don't hit back. You're the best mouth over on here. Your ba gua teacher is more fraudulent than David Blaine. He was a "Texas ranger."

at least I have the balls to post up under my own name and not some net ghost persona.

You know where you can stick that BS.

Eric?

Is that you?

My teacher can still kick the crap out of people no matter what he claims.

Gus, on the other hand. Not so much.

How about you, Pandaboy? I bet you have not the spinal nor testicular fortitude like many others here and other forums to actually man up and be known.

Cowards and mouthboxers suck.