Hands up! [gif]

[Stickgrappler]

Not my gif, found it surfing around.

http://i.imgur.com/OTwXCfp.gif

Dangers of training in a style that don't let you hit the head - develop bad habits, namely hands up!

[sanjuro_ronin]

Not my gif, found it surfing around.

http://i.imgur.com/OTwXCfp.gif

Dangers of training in a style that don't let you hit the head - develop bad habits, namely hands up!

Yep, one of the reasons you see lots of kicking Ko's in kyokushin is because they tend to drop their hands WAY TOO MUCH.

[lkfmdc]

When we first started promoting sanshou in NYC, we had a lot of Kyokushin fighters, they were tough, but low hands and obviously zero boxing skill made things hard on them

[sanjuro_ronin]

When we first started promoting sanshou in NYC, we had a lot of Kyokushin fighters, they were tough, but low hands and obviously zero boxing skill made things hard on them

Yep, I never had that problem because of my boxing background, the whole notion of dropping my hands was too unnatural to me.
At my old school we tend to spar with gloves and head shots and only when training for a comp sis we do more "traditional" sparring.

[Stickgrappler]

lol at "traditonal sparring"

[Stickgrappler]

what's up with kicking in while in clinch range?

[lkfmdc]

what's up with kicking in while in clinch range?

Don't have time right now to get into it, but there is a LONG STORY about this that starts with Jon Bluming and ends with Daidojuku

[Brule]

http://i.imgur.com/Kd9Kl.gif


Worked out better for her than it did for this guy!!

I know, my link fu sucks. Can't figure out how to imbed gif.

[jimbob]

Don't have time right now to get into it, but there is a LONG STORY about this that starts with Jon Bluming and ends with Daidojuku

Sounds interesting. Anything Bluming related is interesting!

[Stickgrappler]

http://i.imgur.com/Kd9Kl.gif


Worked out better for her than it did for this guy!!

I know, my link fu sucks. Can't figure out how to imbed gif.

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where url in this case = "http://i.imgur.com/Kd9Kl.gif"

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[Stickgrappler]

oh dayum at that fighter

[Stickgrappler]

Don't have time right now to get into it, but there is a LONG STORY about this that starts with Jon Bluming and ends with Daidojuku

meant 'long kick' in clinch range, as there are 'short kicks'

but wow, oldschool Jon Bluming

*sits in lotus position and meditates awaiting Ross sifu's story*

[sanjuro_ronin]

what's up with kicking in while in clinch range?

Two reasons:
When your hands are down ( which they tend to get one two people stand in front of each other and punch each other in the chest) a kick is surprisingly easy to get in from that range.
Kicking "should" be able to be done from ANY range...

[lkfmdc]

The lack of punching to the head changes the fundamental shape of the fighting as has been said... and since you can't punch, of course you kick in close...

Well, that and the fact there was no clinch allowed....

Jon Bluming, with his Judo training, of course was opposed to this format, and was very vocal (well, he was very vocal about everything) to Oyama about this, when push came to shove, Bluming did in fact throw people in Oyama's dojo

Bluming suggested to Oyama to change the format.. at least to include the Judo throws and some ground... Oyama resisted....

The story goes, Oyama eventually said he wanted to see a draft of some new rules, those rules were brought to him, and while at the last minute he still felt such a change would split his organization, he approved the author of those new rules to start his own organization with those rules... that became Daido Juku

[sanjuro_ronin]

The lack of punching to the head changes the fundamental shape of the fighting as has been said... and since you can't punch, of course you kick in close...

Well, that and the fact there was no clinch allowed....

Jon Bluming, with his Judo training, of course was opposed to this format, and was very vocal (well, he was very vocal about everything) to Oyama about this, when push came to shove, Bluming did in fact throw people in Oyama's dojo

Bluming suggested to Oyama to change the format.. at least to include the Judo throws and some ground... Oyama resisted....

The story goes, Oyama eventually said he wanted to see a draft of some new rules, those rules were brought to him, and while at the last minute he still felt such a change would split his organization, he approved the author of those new rules to start his own organization with those rules... that became Daido Juku

Master and former world champion Takashi Azuma IIRC...

[lkfmdc]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n13JLzkMXIw

[sanjuro_ronin]

I was up for being the Canadian rep for Daidojuku back in the early 2000's.
I declined due to family issues.

Was on the fence about it anyways since I am not a fan of the headgear.

[lkfmdc]

I used to be one of the strongest voices in the US FOR headgear.....

Based in no small part from having done full contact taekwondo the summer that those people died from head kicks, one was even someone we had known

As science and my experiences in combat sports moves forward, now I am against head gear... funny huh?

Some say that makes my a hypocrite, but really it means I keep learning and update my opinions/positions based upon the latest info

[Kellen Bassette]

The lack of punching to the head changes the fundamental shape of the fighting as has been said... and since you can't punch, of course you kick in close...

Well, that and the fact there was no clinch allowed....

Jon Bluming, with his Judo training, of course was opposed to this format, and was very vocal (well, he was very vocal about everything) to Oyama about this, when push came to shove, Bluming did in fact throw people in Oyama's dojo

Bluming suggested to Oyama to change the format.. at least to include the Judo throws and some ground... Oyama resisted....

The story goes, Oyama eventually said he wanted to see a draft of some new rules, those rules were brought to him, and while at the last minute he still felt such a change would split his organization, he approved the author of those new rules to start his own organization with those rules... that became Daido Juku

I'm told by some Kyokushin folks I know, that their rules are changing and they are beginning to allow clinch and Judo style throws.
I'm not sure if this is across the board or limited to certain tournaments or organizations.