No Kung Fu in a Fight Video Yet

[KungFuTruth]

I've sat here and watched a lot of fight videos linked in numerous threads on every sub-forum. In every fight video, all I've seen so far is both fighters using either Western Boxing or a combination of Kick Boxing / Western Wrestling. Not a single fight video shows anyone actually using a style of Kung Fu in the fight.

I see there are a lot of kick boxing coaches on this website (pretending to be Kung Fu Masters) who obviously "learned" some Kung Fu from books / dvd's and set up fake Kung Fu schools with the real intention of training kick boxers for competitions.

Anyone have a fight video in which one of the participants is actually using a style of Kung Fu?

[Firehawk4]

I dont think Kung Fu looks like Boxing or Kickboxing in a boxing ring i think Kung Fu is suposed to look different in real fighting on the street . But what it looks like on the street or in real selfdefense i dont know .

[KungFuTruth]

Firehawk4,

Kung Fu always looks like whichever style of Kung Fu the person is using regardless of whether it's used in a classroom, a ring, or on the streets. Where someone is using a system of fighting doesn't change how it looks. Regardless of where they're using it, all boxers look like they're using Boxing and all wrestlers look like they're using Wrestling. Yet none of the people I've seen in any fight video on this forum looks like they're using any style of Kung Fu (because they aren't) even tho the videos claim they are.

[pazman]

Allow me to set the tone for this thread:
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[pazman]

Firehawk4,

Kung Fu always looks like whichever style of Kung Fu the person is using regardless of whether it's used in a classroom, a ring, or on the streets. Where someone is using a system of fighting doesn't change how it looks. Regardless of where they're using it, all boxers look like they're using Boxing and all wrestlers look like they're using Wrestling. Yet none of the people I've seen in any fight video on this forum looks like they're using any style of Kung Fu (because they aren't) even tho the videos claim they are.

It sounds like you studied at some tootie-frootie forms school and never sparred. Fighting looks like fighting.

[Vicius]

That´s because you are thinking in forms and movies, techniques in Kung Fu are not shown in the same manner that they are executed in real fight situation, well some actually are, but not the most, and forms, I always say that they are theory, pure theory that are showed in a pure form, and don't always show the real intention of a technique, that's because you need to keep that information for yourself, you don't need other people, wich may fight you, to watch the truth abouth your techniques, kung fu is based on deception. So look good, forms are idealization of a thechnique, and in some casses they don't show all you need to know, that's the secret that keep the practitioner.

[hskwarrior]

No Kung Fu in a Fight Video Yet

I've sat here and watched a lot of fight videos linked in numerous threads on every sub-forum. In every fight video, all I've seen so far is both fighters using either Western Boxing or a combination of Kick Boxing / Western Wrestling. Not a single fight video shows anyone actually using a style of Kung Fu in the fight.

I see there are a lot of kick boxing coaches on this website (pretending to be Kung Fu Masters) who obviously "learned" some Kung Fu from books / dvd's and set up fake Kung Fu schools with the real intention of training kick boxers for competitions.

Anyone have a fight video in which one of the participants is actually using a style of Kung Fu?



you must be looking for a shaw brother rehearsed kung fu fight. that's your problem. you don't know what to look for in kung fu cause you are most likely NOT a gung fu guy. but a gung fu hater.
you're blind if you say you've watched choy lee fut videos and didn't see techniques exclusive to choy lee fut.

study some gung fu first before claiming you don't see anything.

[lkfmdc]

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exclusive footage of kungfutruth and his shaolin monk teacher

[Hitman]

KungFuTruth,

I think those are the video clips you looking for.

Kung Fu VS Karate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5XKRCqGRTY

Kung Fu 1970's New York City
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqItqjolIyw

Karate student vs Kung Fu student
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a4JiNrU7jEk

Kumite 1970's New York City DoJo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O2L2abt0kNU

Drunken Kung Fu Challenges Pankration
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W8jOGceedfw

[KungFuTruth]

I see the Kung Fu Magazine forum only has fake martial artists and forum trolls.

[hskwarrior]

wing chun vs boxing....light sparring


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7TIaSnN0Gdc

[GeneChing]

There was some Kung Fu on TV last night (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?58901-SF-GIANTS-Great-KUNG-FU&p=1278009#post1278009). It was televised nationally.

http://i.imgur.com/cjtqMKv.gif

[Wuxia007]

I have often felt the same way that all distinct styles disappear once the gloves go on and all that's left are the fighters resorting to kickboxing. With that said, the only times I have seen distinct styles visibly being used have pretty much been from Wing Chun and Drunken Boxing. Unfortunately, all the drunken boxers and wing chin fighters I've seen in sparring matches have lost because unlike their opponents, they limit themselves by not allowing themselves to adapt to their opponents.

Furthermore, drunken boxing was intended to benefit the practitioner through the disguise of unpredictability. Nowadays everyone and their moms know about drunken boxing, therefore it is anything but unpredictable. Thus, it has lost its only advantage in any fight. By demonstrating the visible unique techniques of a given style misplaces one's priority on the exposure of the unique style rather than on the survival of the practitioner. Sorry, but I'm not going to pretend to be off balance for the sake of demonstrating the validity of a style when my opponents can see right through it.

[MightyB]

KungFuTruth,

I think those are the video clips you looking for.

Kung Fu VS Karate
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H5XKRCqGRTY

Kung Fu 1970's New York City
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqItqjolIyw



Good find Hitman.

Question answered for the trolling douche.

[Kellen Bassette]

I see there are a lot of kick boxing coaches on this website (pretending to be Kung Fu Masters) who obviously "learned" some Kung Fu from books / dvd's and set up fake Kung Fu schools with the real intention of training kick boxers for competitions.


Why would anyone start a fake Kung Fu school with the sole purpose of training kick boxers under a false premise? Why wouldn't they just start a kick boxing school?
Do you realize how absurd that sounds?

[lkfmdc]

Why would anyone start a fake Kung Fu school with the sole purpose of training kick boxers under a false premise? Why wouldn't they just start a kick boxing school?
Do you realize how absurd that sounds?

pssttttt.... over here

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[wiz cool c]

Why would anyone start a fake Kung Fu school with the sole purpose of training kick boxers under a false premise? Why wouldn't they just start a kick boxing school?
Do you realize how absurd that sounds?

you got a point there.

It won’t look like a kung fu movie that is for sure but lot of the principles and techniques learned in traditional kung fu can be used in kickboxing type sparring or competing. I have been training at a thaiboixing school for the last few months doing a lot of sparring. Some techniques I use often that come directly from kung fu. first is a move I learned from Bok Mei a long time ago. You start out in a right foot forward fighting stance and drop levels into a short horse stance and fire a mid level right hand strike to your opponent's stomach. Just used this one last week against one of the new teachers from Thailand. Another technique that seems to work well is a move from the shaolin xiao hong quan form, where you kind of cup deflect the punch then follow through with either a lead or rear punch of your own. I find this works well when the same hand [lead hand] does the deflection block into a jab. Rooting , sticking neutralizing also used often in sparring. But known of these methods or techniques would be recognizable as a distinct kung fu method in sparring.

[rett2]

I see the Kung Fu Magazine forum only has fake martial artists and forum trolls.

How excellent of you to say so, sir! They may laugh at you now, trampling upon your open-minded questions, but in a few years they'll think back and respect you and be grateful that you held up the mirror of truth and forced them to drinketh deeply of it..

[Kellen Bassette]

pssttttt.... over here

come closer....

over here

you do realize

he's

a troll.....

:rolleyes: yeah yeah....I just couldn't believe everyone left that out while calling him on his other nonsense...I felt like someone should do it. :o

[Kellen Bassette]

you got a point there.

It won’t look like a kung fu movie that is for sure but lot of the principles and techniques learned in traditional kung fu can be used in kickboxing type sparring or competing. I have been training at a thaiboixing school for the last few months doing a lot of sparring. Some techniques I use often that come directly from kung fu. first is a move I learned from Bok Mei a long time ago. You start out in a right foot forward fighting stance and drop levels into a short horse stance and fire a mid level right hand strike to your opponent's stomach. Just used this one last week against one of the new teachers from Thailand. Another technique that seems to work well is a move from the shaolin xiao hong quan form, where you kind of cup deflect the punch then follow through with either a lead or rear punch of your own. I find this works well when the same hand [lead hand] does the deflection block into a jab. Rooting , sticking neutralizing also used often in sparring. But known of these methods or techniques would be recognizable as a distinct kung fu method in sparring.

Yeah the people I know and train with talk a lot about this stuff...I'm actually convinced Muay Boran is related to TCMA. A lot of people disagree, but for me, there's too much in common with old gong fu and the poems seem so similar. I think all the southeast kickboxing styles are the same art, with just slight regional variations, cultural influences....seems like the same root is apparent in Muay Thai, Muay Lao, Lethwai, Kun Khmer...off topic but this tread deserves hijacking anyway...

[MarathonTmatt]

Yeah the people I know and train with talk a lot about this stuff...I'm actually convinced Muay Boran is related to TCMA. A lot of people disagree, but for me, there's too much in common with old gong fu and the poems seem so similar. I think all the southeast kickboxing styles are the same art, with just slight regional variations, cultural influences....seems like the same root is apparent in Muay Thai, Muay Lao, Lethwai, Kun Khmer...off topic but this tread deserves hijacking anyway...

I think you are right about this, that is at least the sense of it i have gotten when looking at those styles & comparing- just regional differences, old cultural and modern cultural influences pushing the traditional arts in different directions, etc.

[Firehawk4]

Old Thaiboxing in my Thaiboxing Manual looks like old Kung Fu before Western Boxing was added to Thaiboxing in maybe the 1920 s. Also India s martial arts systems might have had some influence on those arts Thaiboxing , Burmese Boxing maybe Thaing and Bando to.

[Kellen Bassette]

Old Thaiboxing in my Thaiboxing Manual looks like old Kung Fu before Western Boxing was added to Thaiboxing in maybe the 1920 s. Also India s martial arts systems might have had some influence on those arts Thaiboxing , Burmese Boxing maybe Thaing and Bando to.

A lot of people credit the southeast Asian MA's as originating from Indian MA's, but I think a lot of that may have to do with Indian influence on the languages/writing and Indian style art portraying Muay. I certainly could be wrong, but I don't pay too much attention to that, since I think it's likely that Muay Thai predated the Indian cultural influences and that stuff was probably added later, much like Buddhism was added into CMA's.

There's no hard history for how old MT is, but it seems likely it is as old as Thailand, when you consider the fact that the Tai peoples originally came from China, it seems more likely that the art that eventually became the southeast Asian kickboxing method probably had it's origins in China.

That being said, if I'm right, it almost certainly evolved over the centuries. I think the biggest differences between the Muay systems and the old Chinese systems is the detail and emphasis on the Thai clinch and the importance attributed to the round kick. Who knows if that was always an integral part of the style, or if it developed later?

[Jimbo]

I think the biggest differences between the Muay systems and the old Chinese systems is the detail and emphasis on the Thai clinch and the importance attributed to the round kick. Who knows if that was always an integral part of the style, or if it developed later?

There's an interesting comparison to Okinawan and Japanese karate. Like the Chinese methods they descended from, the old Okinawan methods did not have (or at least didn't emphasize) a roundhouse kick. From what I heard, the roundhouse kick was incorporated into Japanese karate by Gichin Funakoshi's son, Gigo, who was also responsible for widening/deepening the postures and movements into the characteristics of modern Shotokan sometime in the late 1930s. For free-sparring (which Gichin had disapproved of), the ball of foot front kick was favored, but sometimes it became easier to be blocked and to mangle one's own toes. So the roundhouse kick was developed as a variation of the front kick to go around the opponent's defenses at the time. And since TKD/TSD was originally Shotokan with some variations, this was also the basis of the roundhouse kick in KMA as well.

It's interesting that in the last few decades, the roundhouse/round kick is the most commonly-seen kick in competitive fighting.

[Kellen Bassette]

There's an interesting comparison to Okinawan and Japanese karate. Like the Chinese methods they descended from, the old Okinawan methods did not have (or at least didn't emphasize) a roundhouse kick. From what I heard, the roundhouse kick was incorporated into Japanese karate by Gichin Funakoshi's son, Gigo, who was also responsible for widening/deepening the postures and movements into the characteristics of modern Shotokan sometime in the late 1930s. For free-sparring (which Gichin had disapproved of), the ball of foot front kick was favored, but sometimes it became easier to be blocked and to mangle one's own toes. So the roundhouse kick was developed as a variation of the front kick to go around the opponent's defenses at the time. And since TKD/TSD was originally Shotokan with some variations, this was also the basis of the roundhouse kick in KMA as well.

It's interesting that in the last few decades, the roundhouse/round kick is the most commonly-seen kick in competitive fighting.

I think the round house that most CMA's have adopted in modern times is simply the borrowed TKD roundhouse. I also learned the round house with the ball of the foot in Go Ju Ryu. We called it an Okinawan round house. Still the Japanese Karate/Tae Kwon Do style roundhouse was used far more often.

It would be interesting to know what TCMA styles did and did not have a round kick from the 19th Century and earlier; and what the specifics of the kick were. I did a thread on this subject a couple years ago.