Wujido: What the f is this sht?

[pazman]

Since bagging on Shou shou, Shaolin-do, and Jake Mace has all been done before, I thought it might be fun have a laugh at these guys:

WUJIDO (http://www.wujidomartialarts.com/)

From their website:


Learn Authentic Chinese Martial Arts

Learn from the world famous and Honorable Grandmaster himself; Shihan J E Harkins Dashi 9th Dan Black Belt
Online training is now available with new lessons and articles posted almost daily written by the Master himself
Always Clean, safe, and well regulated environment. Everyone can learn, beginners to advanced
The authentic methods, true and genuine in all ways, no short cut or dangerous method injury free, best foundation
One of the strongest Kung fu and Karate in the world 5 Animals 8 Methods 6 Harmonies Shaolin Kung Fu unique and rare martial art form
3rd Generation Yang family taijiquan, the complete system; empty hand, push hands, sword, and saber
The honorable grandmaster is the founder of modern Wujiquan, based on the most ancient of Chinese Wushu…Wuyi



Here we have another (possibly fake) Karate guy with no gongfu lineage selling fake chop socky kung fu to unsuspecting Texans. Let's watch the world famous Grandmaster in action:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMo6Ccp5B-M

Sad to see his students are taught to hop around like animals for sparring. I wonder what happens when these students have to stand up to a bully or protect a loved one?

[pazman]

I wonder what's going on this kung fu schoo.....

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FFrSS6Jbf8k
OH LAWDY.

[curenado]

?
That wasn't even good ....whatever that was ?

That was funny and hard to watch. You can get money telling them to do that?

That first clip was pretty bizarre too ya? Like he has taught them a unspoken choreograph complete with when to go limp.
I would rather see awkward actual imperfect sparring than bad dancing.
Texas is fulla dojos and even has a "kung fu saloon".....but I think that one is the weekly prizewinning comedy

[SteveLau]

The video clips have shown that there is quite sufficient B.S. in this school.




Yours truly,

KC
Hong Kong

[ShortBridge]

It's effin' awesome is what it is. Magic powers!

[bawang]

lol @ ppl thinking american "authentic" kung fu is any different from wujido

this is your own reflection staring back at you. *rubs testicles

[pazman]

lol @ ppl thinking american "authentic" kung fu is any different from wujido

this is your own reflection staring back at you. *rubs testicles

You are correct...I don't go out of my way to train gongfu with others here in US, as I typically have better experiences with people who train in more sports-oriented martial arts likes wrestling or kickboxing. But I think what sets these guys apart from other American kungfu schools is that in supposedly "authentic" schools, the instructors, at some level, are acting in good faith, thinking that what they train is authentic, despite not actually learning how to fight or wield historical weapons. This Harkins fellow, however, seems to have made **** up from nowhere. I'll save comments concerning the selling of culture for another post, but from the "martial" aspect, what Harkins is doing is dangerous.

[curenado]

I think at the root these people know what the deal is and are good with it on the by and large
They didn't look much like a crew of
9341

No one would buy that very long or really go into a fight with it.
(If they do, mine sure have it made in any "ragnaroc" worlds or fights like that)

[Kymus]

The sparring looks like silat mixed with pattycake to me.

[mickey]

Greetings,

It is not an American thing. Charlatans exist everywhere.


mickey

[pazman]

Greetings,

It is not an American thing. Charlatans exist everywhere.


mickey

Yes, I suppose we should count our blessings. The fake kung fu teachers in Spain murder and eat hookers.

[Kellen Bassette]

Yes, I suppose we should count our blessings. The fake kung fu teachers in Spain murder and eat hookers.

We still doing quote of the week? Lol

[bawang]

Greetings,

It is not an American thing. Charlatans exist everywhere.


mickey
its an american thing. its called hyerreality. the teacher is not misleading these students, he is merely facilitating their delusion and escapist desires.

his students are people who compartmentalize thoughts and behaviour, a time for a place. when the students see the twin lion statue and the red door, the image triggers hyperreality. when they pass through that door reality and morality of the outside world no longer applies. that room is their pre paid crazy box. its ok to act crazy and weird because kung fu.

this is why many chinese teachers became disillusioned, these type of students are true qi vampires. they are only good for signing contracts then discarded.

[David Jamieson]

its an american thing. its called hyerreality. the teacher is not misleading these students, he is merely facilitating their delusion and escapist desires.

This is not American, it's human. lol
all people of all cultures have some of this in their constructs.

The teacher is misleading the students and the students are allowing themselves to be mislead.
This happens all over the world.
It's not uncommon to find charlatans in any or all unregulated lack of oversight businesses and services.

People are fully within their rights to make their own mistakes. :)

[bawang]

This is not American, it's human. lol
all people of all cultures have some of this in their constructs.

The teacher is misleading the students and the students are allowing themselves to be mislead.
This happens all over the world.
It's not uncommon to find charlatans in any or all unregulated lack of oversight businesses and services.

People are fully within their rights to make their own mistakes. :)

it is only prevalent in modern times with heavy advertisement and image bombardment.

ita about the blurring between fantasy and reality, how modern people compartmentalize thoughts and behaviour.

[lkfmdc]

There was a good amount of con and BS back in Asia, it was only slightly regulated by the chance a real martial artist would come by and bash your head....

Well.... then there was the boxer rebellion and all those guys who got shot dead, that helped a little until people tried to "revive" kung fu's image and just made it more silly

it certainly isn't limited to America

[wenshu]

bawang up in this thread like
http://i.guim.co.uk/static/w-620/h--/q-95/sys-images/Guardian/Pix/pictures/2010/2/2/1265114543656/Philosopher-Jean-Baudrill-001.jpg

[David Jamieson]

it is only prevalent in modern times with heavy advertisement and image bombardment.

ita about the blurring between fantasy and reality, how modern people compartmentalize thoughts and behaviour.

lol, dude, the boxers, the white lotus society, spirit boxing.

100 years ago, mislead by charlatans and they died for it. Even worse!

People are the same now as they ever were. Flat screen TV and a smartphone doesn't change a single thing about human traits and character.

We are all still doing the same stuff we were doing before history even started getting recorded. No change. Perceived change, but no real change.

[curenado]

"100 years ago, mislead by charlatans and they died for it. Even worse"

Wow. A crountries people come forth to patriotically defend it and then later, the rulers betray them and kill their own heroes so they can be bigger money *****s.
I have come to appreciate fukushima and it's help with societies problems....

"People are the same now as they ever were. Flat screen TV and a smartphone doesn't change a single thing about human traits and character."

[Jimbo]

"100 years ago, mislead by charlatans and they died for it. Even worse"

Wow. A crountries people come forth to patriotically defend it and then later, the rulers betray them and kill their own heroes so they can be bigger money *****s.
I have come to appreciate fukushima and it's help with societies problems....

What's Fukushima got to do with the boxer rebellion, and why take glee in it? If you experience a major disaster and lose loved ones, will you still appreciate it then?

[Jimbo]

Regarding the original videos, I've seen blatantly fake qigong demos that were very similar to the two vids. It was kind of a fad in the late 80s/early 90s in Taiwan (and probably China, too). And many audience members would start acting weird, too. Really weird. I got the impression many of the ones acting out may be suppressed in their lives, and this was a chance to let it all out. The demonstrator would wave his hand and his students would fall down or make them do somersaults, or create an invisible 'Qi force field' that their students couldn't penetrate (supposedly).

[bawang]

lol, dude, the boxers, the white lotus society, spirit boxing.

100 years ago, mislead by charlatans and they died for it. Even worse!

People are the same now as they ever were. Flat screen TV and a smartphone doesn't change a single thing about human traits and character.

We are all still doing the same stuff we were doing before history even started getting recorded. No change. Perceived change, but no real change.


empires justify conquest by claiming superiority. when they claim equality they become fair game.
if all this modern upheavals in the name of progress brought no actual improvement to the human condition then the existence of your reality is redundant.

Regarding the original videos, I've seen blatantly fake qigong demos that were very similar to the two vids. It was kind of a fad in the late 80s/early 90s in Taiwan (and probably China, too). And many audience members would start acting weird, too. Really weird. I got the impression many of the ones acting out may be suppressed in their lives, and this was a chance to let it all out. The demonstrator would wave his hand and his students would fall down or make them do somersaults, or create an invisible 'Qi force field' that their students couldn't penetrate (supposedly).

they could not stand living by nihilism.

[curenado]

What's Fukushima got to do with the boxer rebellion, and why take glee in it? If you experience a major disaster and lose loved ones, will you still appreciate it then?

I already have lost 60% of mine. I'm sorry about the stupid and infantile but this is "earth" not "berkely".

[David Jamieson]

empires justify conquest by claiming superiority. when they claim equality they become fair game.
if all this modern upheavals in the name of progress brought no actual improvement to the human condition then the existence of your reality is redundant.


Do you think there is a change in how you feel love? fear? anger? remorse? desire? ambition?
Living conditions improve and go away in a life time.
The fundamental nature of Humans has not changed regardless of the ebb and flow of good/bad conditions.
There is prosperity in places and none in others, then a shift occurs and that changes.
Slavery is still around, hunger, war, all the same things we have been doing for as long as we've been here.
It's of scale now.

reality is what it is. Even in my own life I've experienced relative wealth, poverty, death in my family, perceived injustices carried out by my government and all the opposites of those.

The world just "is".
I just "am".

Change is the constant, but the template is the same.

[curenado]

<<"The world just "is".
I just "am">>

Appreciated spiritually. Politically? Good. One less to have to negotiate with. Thank you for dinner.

I make a big wide distinction between those two because the ones playing for keeps only consider the latter.

[David Jamieson]

<<"The world just "is".
I just "am">>

Appreciated spiritually. Politically? Good. One less to have to negotiate with. Thank you for dinner.

I make a big wide distinction between those two because the ones playing for keeps only consider the latter.

Don't mistake acceptance of the great object reality as acquiescence to your desires at someone elses expense.

"I Just am" can be finished with "going to cut your head off for your transgressions" because that's the way it is.

that is a small error in thinking.

When someone chooses to accept, it doesn't mean they will accept your or anyone's unacceptable behaviour.

Just saying. All things come with built in diametrical opposition. It is not hypocrisy to be this way, this is the way it is.
To everything a season and all that. :)

[bawang]

The world just "is".
I just "am".

Change is the constant, but the template is the same.

if those wujido ppl thought like this they would not be hopping around like they on bath salts.

[mickey]

Hyyereality?


I have two words for that: Yi Long

On a more grounded note:

Grandmaster Hu Ling said something in a magazine article that went something like: Sellers never sell wrong, buyers sometimes buy wrong.

mickey

[bawang]

r u on bath salts bro

[pazman]

I made some shrimp huntun the other night. Tasty stuff.


I like Bawang's idea of a crazy room. The money those people pay at Wujido could've been spent on a ticket to China, language lessons, etc. Even learning from a dvd would be more real. But a Chinese-ee place where they can freak out is basically a newer version of a Pentecostal church service.

[Brat]

I usually leave this kind of stuff to the Bullshido crew. But of course every legitimate martial artist including Bruce Lee has been trashed over there so .....?

[pazman]

I usually leave this kind of stuff to the Bullshido crew. But of course every legitimate martial artist including Bruce Lee has been trashed over there so .....?

Right, legit martial arts like Shaolin Do and Ashida Kim. Yeah, totally legit.

[curenado]

Bullsheeto is the only place damaged goods can be free. It's like YMCA for ADHD. Think if they were like democrats and not obsessed with moshing in one pit? Then it would be all over the place

[GeneChing]

I've been lurking on this thread because it's rather funny, but I do hold the trepidation that it is too BullShiDo like. I don't really have any issues with BS-Do (apart from the fact that if you goog my name, their Gene Ching Hurt My Feelings (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46566) still pops up as the 5th listing), but they do what they do - BS - and we do what we do here - sell KFM. (http://www.martialartsmart.com/19341.html)...er, I mean discussing Chinese martial arts and stuff. Yeah, that's it. :rolleyes:

[bawang]

most ballsack do forum members are wing chun+ 3 month bjj or taekwondo + 3 month bjj training

srs

[Brat]

Right, legit martial arts like Shaolin Do and Ashida Kim. Yeah, totally legit.

Bullshido has also trashed legitimate people all over the place with the exception being of course if your last name happens to be Gracie. I don't take issue with the obvious frauds but what I can't stand is the small dojo trashing. Bullshido has become the Yelp of martial arts. One thing I don't like is every time they send an undercover person to check out a school that person always is from a BJJ background. That's kind of a conflict of interest seeing how most BJJ people think that traditional martial arts are **** anyway so no matter what happens or doesn't they'e likely not going to dig themselves out of the hole that has already been dug in the reviewer's mind. It sarted out aa good idea but now you've got video game warriors all over the place saying "Oh this dojo over on 8th street is horse ****...." and there's not much the owner can do unless they want to get ganged up on and trashed more.

[Scott R. Brown]

I don't really have any issues with BS-Do (apart from the fact that if you goog my name, their Gene Ching Hurt My Feelings (http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=46566) still pops up as the 5th listing)...

I think the moral here is to stop being such a nice guy. Apparently it hurts people's feelings!:confused:

[GeneChing]

I think the moral here is to stop being such a nice guy. Apparently it hurts people's feelings!:confused:
haaaaaaaaaa. I'm only nice online. It befuddles the trolls. Give a troll a retort and he'll flame you all day. Show a troll some etiquette...and well, he'll prolly still flame you all day, but at least you didn't sully yourself.

Actually, that 'Gene Ching Hurt My Feelings' thread is freakin' hilarious. A troll we booted off of here ran crying to BS-Do, which was the wrong place to go to seek sanctuary. I'm just bummed that goog chooses to place that above any of the threads here. The highest KFM thread on my vanity search is 3 slots lower: Shaolin-Trips-by-Gene-Ching (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?57311-Shaolin-Trips-by-Gene-Ching) :confused:

[Jimbo]

haaaaaaaaaa. I'm only nice online. It befuddles the trolls. Give a troll a retort and he'll flame you all day. Show a troll some etiquette...and well, he'll prolly still flame you all day, but at least you didn't sully yourself.

Actually, that 'Gene Ching Hurt My Feelings' thread is freakin' hilarious. A troll we booted off of here ran crying to BS-Do, which was the wrong place to go to seek sanctuary. I'm just bummed that goog chooses to place that above any of the threads here. The highest KFM thread on my vanity search is 3 slots lower: Shaolin-Trips-by-Gene-Ching (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?57311-Shaolin-Trips-by-Gene-Ching) :confused:

I didn't even know about that thread until you mentioned it. Thanks, Gene, I'll have to check it out now! :D

[David Jamieson]

If Gene had a Kung Fu Tumblr account, he'd have white knight social justice warriors all over him erry day! :p

I'll bring my broom.

[GeneChing]

...as long as it doesn't get higher than my facebook page. Stupid google. :mad:

Actually, I just reviewed that old BS-Do thread myself again. Man, that was 2006. How time flies. Y'all remember MARTIALSTUDANT (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/member.php?16704-MARTIALSTUDANT)? I must give props to BS-Do's Samuel Browning, as he helped me out with a very unsavory situation (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/index.php?p=article&article=656) that happened under our previous editor.


If Gene had a Kung Fu Tumblr account, he'd have white knight social justice warriors all over him erry day! :p
You know I'd much rather have black knights. " 'Tis but a scratch!" ;)

[pazman]

I really didn't mean for this to be a BSDo thread...I've always thought KFM was much more light-hearted than the serious investigation threads over at BSDo, and my intent was to make a "wtf" funny-uh-oh thread. As with topics like these, the line between what is too crazy and just crazy enough is always a blurry line in the kung fu world.

I'm interested as to why "Brat" would consider James Harkins (the world famous Wujido master) to be legitimate.

[GeneChing]

the line between what is too crazy and just crazy enough is always a blurry line in the kung fu world.
So true, pazman, so very true. :)

[Brat]

I really didn't mean for this to be a BSDo thread...I've always thought KFM was much more light-hearted than the serious investigation threads over at BSDo, and my intent was to make a "wtf" funny-uh-oh thread. As with topics like these, the line between what is too crazy and just crazy enough is always a blurry line in the kung fu world.

I'm interested as to why "Brat" would consider James Harkins (the world famous Wujido master) to be legitimate.

My God I challenge anyone to pull the quote where I made the statement where I said this guy was legitimate. I don't even know who the #### he is.

I simple took issue with Bullshido in general because when they do a "serious" investigation of a school in question (particularly a TMA school) why is it that the "investigator" almost always has a background in BJJ/grappling? I remember reading the review of the Larry Sanders (Sijo) guy that was done over there. Now I must admit that the guy seems shady (50+ black belts) but the reviewer (a female) stated up front that her background is in grappling particularly Gracie Jiu jitsu. I am a Gracie Alumni. I trained at a BJJ school for almost two years. I left for a variety of reasons but primarily I got tired of all the machismo and "your martial art is ****" talk that is prevalent there. I have trained in a variety of martial arts for a variety of reasons and each has contributed to my overall fitness in that area. I claim not one to be superior to the rest.

I don't take any issue with her making an issue with his supposed military background (which was shady), but I didn't like the snarky way she commented on the proceedings in the class. Trust me I've seen lots of this with the grapplers. Let's say I opened a school where I taught Xingyi Quan which is the martial art I have the most experience in (though my only official ranks are in Hapkido - 1st Dan, and Muay Thai - Professional Thai Boxer World Muay Thai Federation). Now I know that one of the criticisms of BSDO is that schools don't train in realistic fashion which from the perspective of a grappler means rolling around on the floor for 98% of your training session. But in my hypothetical class we don't ground and pound 24/7 and what happens if he/she comes on a day where we are doing just qigong or on a week where I am trying to train my students in something other than balls to the wall brawling?

And then there's always the question of lineage and such. I trained in Bangkok (at the same time I was training in Muay Thai) with a Thai gentleman who had lived for many years in China and studied Xingyi quan. He was the real deal although I don't have any idea where or who he learned it from and I might not be able to find him if I returned to Thailand. In fact when I returned stateside I ran into a guy who had been a student of Earle Montaigue. The guy guy had minimal power and when we were doing some training together I knocked him flat on the floor with a crushing fist punch and he exclaimed "That's not Xingyi!" Oh yeah it was. And I want to make it clear I am not making a statement that Earle was a bad martial artist only that this guy who had studied with him (and he had proof) seemingly had a much shallower understanding of Xingyi technique than did I who trained under a no name instructor. He could prove lineage I could not.

Let me sum it up. A BJJ grappler has zero business scrutinizing my school unless of course I am advertizing that I also teach BJJ (which I probably would throw some in now and then but I would never advertize it). But these "reviewers" make qualitative assemssments every day about martial arts they know nothing about all the while maintining the moral high ground that their art is superior to all others.

[Brat]

Oh and I need to make a correction in my last post. I stated that my ranking in Muay Thai was from the Wold Muay Thai Federation. It is actually Word Muay Thai Council. My ranking in Hapkido is from the International Hapkido Federation and I sometimes get the words confused.

[Jimbo]

I've actually seen that kind of superiorist attitudes from all kinds of martial artists, including many in CMA/JMA/KMA. In fact, some of the worst I've seen or experienced has been from some other CMAists. It's not limited to BJJ people. Maybe it's more human nature than style-specific nature?

I trained over a year at a BJJ academy, and maybe I was lucky, but none of the people I trained with there, including the teacher, ever said anything negative about other MAs, that I ever heard. They seemed like a pretty open-minded group.

[boxerbilly]

My brother is a Brown Belt in Gracie Bara. I don't think he ever discusses other arts. Or has put anyone down. In his or other arts. He just does his thing as do most at his dojo. Then again, I don't hang with any of them so who knows what they talk about within themselves?

The net has just widened our town. So, it is no longer, the school down the street sucks and they make stuff up. It is the guy teaching in Guadalajara made himself a 10th degree this or that. Hey, if you think something sucks, nothing will change your mind unless that something kicks your ass. Even then, you might think you just had an off day or if you only trained harder. It is just human nature the want to believe what you do is better than what everyone else does.

Me, I think everything has something to offer. It may be just a training method or a simple technique. But, even I sometimes look at youtube and see stuff and say that sucks. Im basing it on what Ive done and believe. I try not to but I still do it sometimes.

Hey, Im almost 50. I'll probably never be in another fight as long as I live. THANK GOD! I now believe, train for yourself, have fun, don't worry so much about beating someone to death with your bare hands. ITS BULL!@#$! Odds are you never will. And if you do, we will see you in 7-30!

[Brat]

Exactly. Martial arts is a hobby. There was a time when I trained for the immediate threat of violence but not anymore. I had a friend some years back who was arriving at a local pub with another friend. He was pretty bad ass and had been in quite a few fights when he was younger. When they got out of his truck they were alerted to a disturbance on the other side of the parking lot. Some redneck was working his GF over by a parked vehicle. Tough guy friend in question ran over and came to her aid. He pulled the guy off her and threw him to the ground. The guy got up and the fight was on. In the end the guy was pretty messed up. And as a result he pressed charges. A year later my friend has filed bankruptcy, separated from his finace, had his car repod and he was generally a mess. Not worth it for a few minutes of "glory" in my opinion.

[boxerbilly]

Exactly. Martial arts is a hobby. There was a time when I trained for the immediate threat of violence but not anymore. I had a friend some years back who was arriving at a local pub with another friend. He was pretty bad ass and had been in quite a few fights when he was younger. When they got out of his truck they were alerted to a disturbance on the other side of the parking lot. Some redneck was working his GF over by a parked vehicle. Tough guy friend in question ran over and came to her aid. He pulled the guy off her and threw him to the ground. The guy got up and the fight was on. In the end the guy was pretty messed up. And as a result he pressed charges. A year later my friend has filed bankruptcy, separated from his finace, had his car repod and he was generally a mess. Not worth it for a few minutes of "glory" in my opinion.

That is to bad but that is a reality. It very well can happen. Your life turn upside down because you let your ego decide you have to be the badass of the day. Not worth it. We do not realize this until we get older and understand what is a stake. Beside, say you killed someone. Could you live with yourself after? Very few people could I would wager. In fact, if you seriously hurt someone that may mess you up almost as bad.

We tend to think of ourselves as something we often are not. Id did for yeas. I thought, dude, your are a very good boxer. One day I really thought about and decided. dude, you sucked!

[Brat]

I've actually seen that kind of superiorist attitudes from all kinds of martial artists, including many in CMA/JMA/KMA. In fact, some of the worst I've seen or experienced has been from some other CMAists. It's not limited to BJJ people. Maybe it's more human nature than style-specific nature?

I trained over a year at a BJJ academy, and maybe I was lucky, but none of the people I trained with there, including the teacher, ever said anything negative about other MAs, that I ever heard. They seemed like a pretty open-minded group.

I went to my school back in 1999 2000. That's back when the "BJJ is unbeatable" mindset was still very prevalent. Hell I remember the trolls on this forum! The head instructors at the academy were cool but they had some dudes (and a few girls) who were of various belt levels (non black) who would constantly talk smack about such and such style sucking. I came into the school with a background in Judo and high school wrestling. The guy who interviewed me and did my paperwork said "You know all that stuff is **** in comparison to Jiu Jitsu right?" To which I replied "Well that's what I am here to find out." To which he sternly replied "AND FIND OUT YOU WILL!"

I stayed at the school for about 22 months. There were just lots of little things that got on my nerves. I had a Wing Chun t shirt that I got as a free gift with an order from a supply house here in the states. I stopped by the school one day to chat with a friend and one of the senior students saw me and said "So a Gracie JJ T ain't good enough for you?" And he was not kidding. I replied "Well laundry day is on Friday and I had a choice between this one and A Vanilla Ice T (I was joking of course) so there ya go." To which he just scowled. Gracie Jiu jitsu to me was kind of like a hit movie that the critics have over advertised in that I left the theater feeling kind of unimpressed. Now I will say that I did learn lots there about their style of fighting but I also became aware of the *****s in the armor. Nobody at the school had any impressive takedown skills whatsoever including the black belts. Of course I never was allowed to get off my knees until about 7 months. I also noticed that they were pretty effective when you were fighting them with their own stuff but pull out some unorthodox techniques say from wrestling or judo and they could get flustered.

We had an open grappling night where we paired off with random dudes over the whole school. I drew one of the black belts and gave him a pretty hard time and the match basically ended in a draw. Lots of the senior students didn't like that too much cause I used lots of grappling I learned in Judo and wrestling and you know BJJ is spposed to be superior to all that yada...yada...yada.. and so I started getting bullied by lots of the others. In any case their whole attitude changed towards me and I just decided i didn't like the school anymore.

When I trained in Bangkok at the Muay Thai gym I got to fight some guys who were professional MMA and kickboxers from Europe and US. I remember I beat one guy in a match in the morning and he came back and beat me in the afternoon. So who was the badass? And it was often like that in Jiu jitsu tit for tat. So the whole thing of superiority is BS. And also I only had one guy out of all admit to me that he had ever been in real fight. IN the past 20 years I've been in two and those were about 12 years apart.

[bawang]

bjj bullies were kung fu/karate bullies when they were younger. sometimes they got bullied in kung fu so they take it out on kung fu guys.

thing with bjj bullies is they will at least fite u. kung fu bullies ask you for "friendly game of chi sao" then sucker punch u, and brag about it on facebook.

i remember this fat guy told me he "beat up" a bjj guy who was curious about kung fu. basically he told him to completely relax to let him demonstrate a technique then went force force and tore his bicep by surprise. he tried to break my leg by telling me to completely relax and then sitting on my knee.

[boxerbilly]

bjj bullies were kung fu/karate bullies when they were younger. sometimes they got bullied in kung fu so they take it out on kung fu guys.

thing with bjj bullies is they will at least fite u. kung fu bullies ask you for "friendly game of chi sao" then sucker punch u, and brag about it on facebook.

Makes sense Bawang. Hatred because what happened to them while in that system.

I've read that other forum that hate all. I do my best to filter bias. I look for specific information, still we can't help but potentially be effected by what other say if we expose ourselves to it often enough.

[Brat]

bjj bullies were kung fu/karate bullies when they were younger. sometimes they got bullied in kung fu so they take it out on kung fu guys.

thing with bjj bullies is they will at least fite u. kung fu bullies ask you for "friendly game of chi sao" then sucker punch u, and brag about it on facebook.

i remember this fat guy told me he "beat up" a bjj guy who was curious about kung fu. basically he told him to completely relax to let him demonstrate a technique then went force force and tore his bicep by surprise. he tried to break my leg by telling me to completely relax and then sitting on my knee.

Actually lots of guys in that school were just there because you had guys like Paul Vunak out there saying "A guy with six months of training can beat black belts from other styles". And that was an actual quote taken from an advertisement in Black Belt Magazine which can be found online by the way. Now that wasn't entirely untrue in context because Royce did win against many experienced martial artists but they were either ****ty wrestlers like Dan Severn or stand up fighters who had absolutely zero knowledge of ground fighting, and a person with a little jiu jitsu could make hay out of the aforementioned. under the right conditions. But after Royce's win the Gracies went on a martial arts bashathon and were peddling BJJ as a Magic Bullet and too many in the martial arts world ate it up. Royce had trained in his family's style since he was in diapers but to suggest that the average Joe Blow could just take a novice level course in BJJ and beat up Manny Pacqiao is a bit of a stretch. Hey I lived through that **** so don't anyone try and tell me it didn't occur. I saw the original UFC1 about 4 months after it happened. Back then I had a little Judo and a lot of HS wrestling. I was also quite a scrapper in HS and back in those days I lost count how many fights I'd been in. Of course that all ended when I no longer had to go to my crappy high school. But honestly when I saw the 1st UFC I was not so utterly impressed with Royce as I was dumbfounded that most of his opponents thought they could beat him in his obviously strongest position - the guard. Not one of them tried to break his guard (quite easy to do and anyone on this forum could accomplish it) and just back off and make him stand back up. As the years passed and the sport grew you had guys like Marco Ruas and Don Frye who could both grapple and punch your lights out and by that time the Gracies had disappeared faster than a ninja in a smoke cloud. And when guys like Frank Shamrock started beating them what did they do? Whine and make excuses which is what Royce and Rorion accused others of doing after their initial wins. I was curious about BJJ and that's why I decided to join my school but I just got turned off by the disrespect that existed and that came right from the top. If you want any proof of my claims just google up some back issues of BB magazine from 1993 to 98 and you'll have your reading cut out for you.

[bawang]

Makes sense Bawang. Hatred because what happened to them while in that system.

I've read that other forum that hate all. I do my best to filter bias. I look for specific information, still we can't help but potentially be effected by what other say if we expose ourselves to it often enough.

the mental abuse kung fu/karate can put on you makes mma gym bullying/intimidation look like rainbow pride parade

nothing can describe the humiliation and anguish when a morbidly obese guy snorts at you and say "yeah, that guy is never gonna learn the buddha palm set" or a pimple faced fergert looks at u with contempt and say "sorry, tuesday is invite only"

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rog8ou-ZepE

[Jimbo]

I went to my school back in 1999 2000. That's back when the "BJJ is unbeatable" mindset was still very prevalent. Hell I remember the trolls on this forum! The head instructors at the academy were cool but they had some dudes (and a few girls) who were of various belt levels (non black) who would constantly talk smack about such and such style sucking. I came into the school with a background in Judo and high school wrestling. The guy who interviewed me and did my paperwork said "You know all that stuff is **** in comparison to Jiu Jitsu right?" To which I replied "Well that's what I am here to find out." To which he sternly replied "AND FIND OUT YOU WILL!"

I stayed at the school for about 22 months. There were just lots of little things that got on my nerves. I had a Wing Chun t shirt that I got as a free gift with an order from a supply house here in the states. I stopped by the school one day to chat with a friend and one of the senior students saw me and said "So a Gracie JJ T ain't good enough for you?" And he was not kidding. I replied "Well laundry day is on Friday and I had a choice between this one and A Vanilla Ice T (I was joking of course) so there ya go." To which he just scowled. Gracie Jiu jitsu to me was kind of like a hit movie that the critics have over advertised in that I left the theater feeling kind of unimpressed. Now I will say that I did learn lots there about their style of fighting but I also became aware of the *****s in the armor. Nobody at the school had any impressive takedown skills whatsoever including the black belts. Of course I never was allowed to get off my knees until about 7 months. I also noticed that they were pretty effective when you were fighting them with their own stuff but pull out some unorthodox techniques say from wrestling or judo and they could get flustered.

We had an open grappling night where we paired off with random dudes over the whole school. I drew one of the black belts and gave him a pretty hard time and the match basically ended in a draw. Lots of the senior students didn't like that too much cause I used lots of grappling I learned in Judo and wrestling and you know BJJ is spposed to be superior to all that yada...yada...yada.. and so I started getting bullied by lots of the others. In any case their whole attitude changed towards me and I just decided i didn't like the school anymore.

When I trained in Bangkok at the Muay Thai gym I got to fight some guys who were professional MMA and kickboxers from Europe and US. I remember I beat one guy in a match in the morning and he came back and beat me in the afternoon. So who was the badass? And it was often like that in Jiu jitsu tit for tat. So the whole thing of superiority is BS. And also I only had one guy out of all admit to me that he had ever been in real fight. IN the past 20 years I've been in two and those were about 12 years apart.

If those students had any intelligence, they'd have known that BJJ is a form of old-school Judo. Judo is a more modern form of Jujitsu. Back in Maeda's day, the terms Judo and Jujitsu/Jiu-Jitsu were used interchangeably for the same art, even in Japan. I remember one ignoramus on another forum 'authoritatively' stated that 'BJJ is not related to Japanese Jujitsu at all, that's why it's spelled J-I-U-J-I-T-S-U." The real terms are in Japanese Kanji characters, not in the Western spellings. Even Rickson Geacie stated in an interview that Gracie JJ is a Japanese MA, much of which had not been practiced in Japan for decades, and he was happy to introduce it back into Japan.

To be honest, if someone at a school came across that obnoxious, I'd walk out without signing. Life is too short to waste it associating with a-holes, especially if I have a choice in the matter.

Yes, I was here and remember the early days when KFM was kungfu online, and trolls like TKDman, and the BJJ trolls as well.

[boxerbilly]

If those students had any intelligence, they'd have known that BJJ is a form of old-school Judo. Judo is a more modern form of Jujitsu. Back in Maeda's day, the terms Judo and Jujitsu/Jiu-Jitsu were used interchangeably for the same art, even in Japan. I remember one ignoramus on another forum 'authoritatively' stated that 'BJJ is not related to Japanese Jujitsu at all, that's why it's spelled J-I-U-J-I-T-S-U." The real terms are in Japanese Kanji characters, not in the Western spelling. Even Rickson Geacie stated in an interview that Gracie JJ is a Japanese MA, much of which had not been practiced in Japan for decades, and he was happy to introduce it back into Japan.

To be honest, if someone at a school came across that obnoxious, I'd walk out without signing. Life is too short to waste it associating with a-holes, especially if I have a choice in the matter.

Yes, I was here and remember the early days when KFM was kungfu online, and trolls like TKDman, and the BJJ trolls as well.

Nice post. I got into an argument with my brother about the real history of Gracie Jujitsu. He choked me out~!

[bawang]

Yes, I was here and remember the early days when KFM was kungfu online, and trolls like TKDman, and the BJJ trolls as well.
i miss ray pina

[Brat]

If those students had any intelligence, they'd have known that BJJ is a form of old-school Judo. Judo is a more modern form of Jujitsu. Back in Maeda's day, the terms Judo and Jujitsu/Jiu-Jitsu were used interchangeably for the same art, even in Japan. I remember one ignoramus on another forum 'authoritatively' stated that 'BJJ is not related to Japanese Jujitsu at all, that's why it's spelled J-I-U-J-I-T-S-U." The real terms are in Japanese Kanji characters, not in the Western spellings. Even Rickson Geacie stated in an interview that Gracie JJ is a Japanese MA, much of which had not been practiced in Japan for decades, and he was happy to introduce it back into Japan.

To be honest, if someone at a school came across that obnoxious, I'd walk out without signing. Life is too short to waste it associating with a-holes, especially if I have a choice in the matter.

Yes, I was here and remember the early days when KFM was kungfu online, and trolls like TKDman, and the BJJ trolls as well.

I couldn't agree with you more Jimbo but hindsight is always 20-20. It was in fact one of the only reputable MA schools around at that time in my area. We had a couple TKD schools that had come and gone but that wasn't really up my alley. TKDman? Wow you and I are both old ****s! I actually was being stalked by one of the trolls on here. It was after the incident at the school where I rolled with that black belt I talked about in the previous post. I mentioned it on one of the posts here. One of the "esteemed" posters called BS because obviously no one could take a BJJ black belt, it just wasn't possible. Well the poster demanded that I show credibility by listing name, rank, and the name of the school. I saw no need to reveal personal info over an incident that I really didn't care whether someone believed me or not so I declined and was assaulted day in and out here by this guy and his gang of goons in both open and personal message. But that was NOT the end. I actually told them where the school was and I was in college back at the time and one day in the student union a guy from the school hailed me from across the food court. What follows is unbelievable. Apparently, the assist. instructor received a phone call from a person claiming to be with the FBI. The "agent" gave his name and asked about the incident and wanted them to reveal the name of the person involved as part of an "ongoing investigation". Well the assistant instructor happened to be the guy I rolled with and told whoever it was (obviously using an assumed name) that he was the other party involved and gave his name, rank, and credentials but said that unless the "agent" appeared with a federal warrant that the school's membership roster must remain confidential as per company policy. Of course this prompted me to go down to the school and talk to him. No one ever called back or showed up but I was a little unnerved that someone was trying to get ahold of my personal info. over something so trivial. I PM'd the poster in question because I am pretty sure that impersonating a federal agent is a federal offense and told him that if he or anyone else persisted in the matter that I would promptly squeal like a pig and inform the FBI of all I knew about the matter. He never responded and I can't prove that it was him or any one of the other goons but I know it had to be. :confused:

[boxerbilly]

Brat, that is INSANE !

As I told you in a pm, I fell bad about pestering someone recently for something I am searching for. Horrible in fact.

But for someone to f!@# with you like that is just psycho.

[Brat]

Brat, that is INSANE !

As I told you in a pm, I fell bad about pestering someone recently for something I am searching for. Horrible in fact.

But for someone to f!@# with you like that is just psycho.

Yeah it was weird. That was of course back when laws about cyber stalking weren't even an idea. I was cruising the forums a while back and saw that he and his entire goon squad, along with lots of others had been banned. Couldn't have happened to a nicer guy. He still trolls on MMA forums though I think he uses his real name more often nowadays.

[Jimbo]

Brat,

That is definitely creepy. Whoever was involved is clearly unbalanced.

[David Jamieson]

Wanting to make violence on others for the sake of it or with the flimsiest excuse is mental illness.

Learning about violence to understand it is a different thing entirely.