Yang Style Taiji Point Striking

[PalmStriker]

Point striking in this thread is in reference to striking nerve points on an opponents limbs to cause temporary paralysis. *Not a thread about Dim Mak targeting for maximum damage/death, although I will post anything Taiji that is off the beaten path that may be of interest. My own interest in this subject matter is not in training/learning the art of Yang Style Taiji but in having been on the receiving end of the practice.

[PalmStriker]

:) Vid: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDpusW9zDFU#t=12

[pazman]

Hitting people as hard as you can in places where it hurts to be hit. Ancient Chinese Secret.

[PalmStriker]

:) INTERVIEW: http://www.dotaichi.com/Articles/TaiChiSanShou.htm

[PalmStriker]

Old Yang Style Saber Form:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=se8JUTy2DAo

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:)
Hitting people as hard as you can in places where it hurts to be hit. Ancient Chinese Secret. This thread is actually not about using excessive force. Hitting a vital area with maximum force is usually a killing technique.

[PalmStriker]

:) Reference/ Radial Nerve: https://images.search.yahoo.com/images/view;_ylt=AwrB8pPR6AxVX1cAbGKJzbkF;_ylu=X3oDMTIzOT FoaWM5BHNlYwNzcgRzbGsDaW1nBG9pZAM3ZjMzNDJkNzZlNjJi MzczMTgxZjQ4YjM4YjZlYmIyOARncG9zAzEyBGl0A2Jpbmc-?.origin=&back=https%3A%2F%2Fimages.search.yahoo.com%2Fyhs%2 Fsearch%3F_adv_prop%3Dimage%26va%3Dradial%2Bnerve% 252C%2Barm%252C%2Bacupuncture%252C%2Bchinese%26fr% 3Dyhs-mozilla-001%26hsimp%3Dyhs-001%26hspart%3Dmozilla%26tab%3Dorganic%26ri%3D12&w=900&h=720&imgurl=i1.ytimg.com%2Fvi%2F_Cu6ttAhe8Y%2Fmaxresdef ault.jpg&rurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3D_C u6ttAhe8Y&size=77.3KB&name=maxresdefault.jpg&p=radial+nerve%2C+arm%2C+acupuncture%2C+chinese&oid=7f3342d76e62b373181f48b38b6ebb28&fr2=&fr=yhs-mozilla-001&tt=maxresdefault.jpg&b=0&ni=160&no=12&ts=&tab=organic&sigr=11aaq8jbc&sigb=15d37fo5o&sigi=11dmh50f8&sigt=10hamf174&sign=10hamf174&.crumb=c0JfHDf/qyH&fr=yhs-mozilla-001&hsimp=yhs-001&hspart=mozilla

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Reference/Nervous System in Leg : http://www.natomimages.com/10095-thickbox/A20120817180620293.jpg

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Reference: http://www.innerbody.com/anatomy/nervous/leg-foot

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:) Ultimate Taiji: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzIqq5wj7cc

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:) During sparring with a Yang Taiji instructor (in my late twenties) I would be repeatably kicked by a sweep kick that I never did actually see executed upon attack. It would always thump me right in the chest even though I was a good bit taller. This is the kick shown with perfect form by Chen Taiji Master: ( at 13:00 and 15:56 in video). https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzIqq5wj7cc

[PalmStriker]

Showing this kick for a second time at 15:56 in the video, he turns on the ball of his foot to continue into the ending of the form set. This is very White Crane-like in balance strategy and use of momentum/pivoting.

[PalmStriker]

Reference:http://chenfamilytaiji.com/taiji_history.html

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:) Silk, Wind, Yang-Style: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FCO6uwAPeg

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:) Master/instruction: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUnXFvDeGII

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:) Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNa-Y2AkII8

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:) Part 3: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1wptDgG4IvU

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:) Master Yang: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BnQe6M8EinY

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:) OK Taiji guys. What is the purpose of the arm extension with "beak-hand" configuration as shown by Master Yang on the cover of the new issue. Thanks in advance for anything beyond speculation. (I sense it is used in a hook throw). :) Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvP5PxTNGo0

[mawali]

In a normal encounter, you will use fist, slap (open palm!) etc but the hooked hand is an oddity to me. I just see it as part of art and the additional of some daoyin mudra! element within what is called CMA.
My ignorance is legendary in this regard so please excuse, if you may.

[-N-]

:) OK Taiji guys. What is the purpose of the arm extension with "beak-hand" configuration as shown by Master Yang on the cover of the new issue. Thanks in advance for anything beyond speculation. (I sense it is used in a hook throw). :) Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvP5PxTNGo0


In a normal encounter, you will use fist, slap (open palm!) etc but the hooked hand is an oddity to me. I just see it as part of art and the additional of some daoyin mudra! element within what is called CMA.
My ignorance is legendary in this regard so please excuse, if you may.

Same use as the Mantis claw hand shape. You grab the guy's arm, pull, step in, and hit him with your other hand.

Nothing mystical at all.

[PalmStriker]

:) Thanks, -N- ! I've watched practitioners, and many years later, videos demonstrating this form set; had to ask. It is definitely a hidden feature (hidden in plain sight) and comes across as an anchor amidst waves in the style's visual signature.

[PalmStriker]

:) Meditation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pVHwDNo2LB8

[GLW]

It is actually easier to understand if you realize that ALL Chinese Martial Arts have 3 basic classes of hand forms: Quan, Zhang, Gou.... Fist, Palm, Hook.

The various subtypes of each of these have extra words added...Like horizontal fist can be called Fu Quan and a vertical can be called Li Quan....

So the Dan Bian posture has the fore hand in a Zhang and the back hand as a Gou - or Hook.

Hooks are generally used to intercept and sweep aside or to grab and pull aside, back, etc... So, realizing that this is a Gou and the sweep aside is not exactly appropriate, the use becomes a grab to pull...as was mentioned in a previous post.

[-N-]

Hooks are generally used to intercept and sweep aside or to grab and pull aside, back, etc... So, realizing that this is a Gou and the sweep aside is not exactly appropriate, the use becomes a grab to pull...as was mentioned in a previous post.

Actually, for Mantis, I would even do the Dan Bian type movements more with a sweeping Gou over a grabbing one.

Emphasis would be on smaller frame and speed.

I mentioned grab in the previous post because it is more classical and easier to explain.

[MarathonTmatt]

:) OK Taiji guys. What is the purpose of the arm extension with "beak-hand" configuration as shown by Master Yang on the cover of the new issue. Thanks in advance for anything beyond speculation. (I sense it is used in a hook throw). :) Part 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mvP5PxTNGo0

i think this short video did a wonderful job explaining the general concept/ application of the use of the hook-

https://youtu.be/WxFhomp9xsI

manipulate the elbow joint to jerk the other guy off balance/ cut the distance short. U can also really sting the other person's pressure point/ apply damage to it (in theory). the other guy will jerk forwards and simultaneously palm meets face. I am sure there are more applications and uses but this is the one that makes sense to me. we drilled a similar exercise alot in my longfist class using a "folding block" to cut the distance short.

(by jerking him forward you are "pulling" him in w/ the grab)

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:) Yang Style Forms: https://bluesparrowtcc.files.wordpress.com/2012/01/tai-chi-exercises-24-forms-chart.jpg

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Single Whip:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iHggg1ezXEU

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:) Reference: http://taijihawaii.com/THOYlineage.html

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:) Yang Family: http://www.yangfamilytaichi.com/about/study/

[mawali]

Point striking in this thread is in reference to striking nerve points on an opponents limbs to cause temporary paralysis. *Not a thread about Dim Mak targeting for maximum damage/death, although I will post anything Taiji that is off the beaten path that may be of interest. My own interest in this subject matter is not in training/learning the art of Yang Style Taiji but in having been on the receiving end of the practice.

It makes no sense! One cannot apply point striking cold against any opponent from the gitgo! Just as in BJJ, there has to be some equal force. movement, etc to trigger an encounter to response in kind. As an example, if you try point strike against a boxer then one will surely get the crap beaten out of them due to the dynamic onslaught of the first punch and the rest will be history.

That has been both my observation and experience but of course, no grey Poupon was involved in the decision making process;)

[-N-]

My boxing skills were useless against an opponent who was able to take out both arms and one leg in less than 30 seconds (temporary paralysis) when I accidentally(deflected strike) opened up his cheek with a hand strike during a sparring match.

The left hand motions in the first 2:30 minutes of this video can be used to temporarily paralyze the opponent's arm. I used to do that to my classmates in drills and sparring.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1M7M7rLxcYg

[PalmStriker]

:) This soft style Mantis is much like Taiji in concentration, nerve strikes and cavity press/locks were all kept secret in the past. Now there is no real need to do so even though this is still the practice of some of the Asian family lineages. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GUw4JMKz0Uk#t=212

[PalmStriker]

:) There is a thread on the forum from a few years back where the OP was asking about healing up from an unintentional kick that he received from a sparring partner that caught him on the inside of the upper arm (radial nerve). Temporary paralysis but also injury. Good reason not to practice point striking on your sparring partners. Traditionally, dummies are used.

[PalmStriker]

Master: :) http://chinesemartialstudies.com/2015/04/18/searching-for-cheng-man-ching-nigel-sutton-and-the-wisdom-of-taiji-masters/

[mawali]

My main point is to say that training 'soft' is, and always will be useless in the greater scheme of things. The "yang" hard training reinforces the 'soft' after "gong" has been attained.
This is my ignorance only so anyone who has been blessed with the deadly soft training and they, are demons because of that training, I wish y'all well in your endeavours. Just acknowledging skill when I see it. yah mahn!

[PalmStriker]

:D Point taken. Gang ru hsiang ji. Hard and soft in close succession: http://www.hsing-i.com/hsing-i_journal/ma.html