ID this mantis style?

[charlie foot]

Could somebody tell me what this guy is practicing? It appears to be some form of mantis, but very reminiscent of xingyi. I really love it, so f***ing beautiful in its simplicity!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tOAwtei5dw8

[-N-]

Title says six harmony praying mantis fundamentals training.

[Tainan Mantis]

First move is usually called "one step three punches." He does it for about two minutes before moving to the next move with the kick and chop.

[YouKnowWho]

First move is usually called "one step three punches." He does it for about two minutes before moving to the next move with the kick and chop.
When you train "1 step 3 punches", will you

- train in combat speed? Instead of use 1 second to throw each punch (as shown in the OP's clip), will you throw all 3 punches in 1 second?
- punch from the "guard" (as shown in the following picture) instead of punch from the waist (as shown in the OP's clip)?
- use higher combat stance instead of use the low CMA stance if your target is your opponent's head?
- train your solo drill as you train fighting, or train your solo drill as you train form?

9430

[Tainan Mantis]

When you train "1 step 3 punches", will you

- train in combat speed? Instead of use 1 second to throw each punch (as shown in the OP's clip), will you throw all 3 punches in 1 second?
- punch from the "guard" (as shown in the following picture) instead of punch from the waist (as shown in the OP's clip)?
- use higher combat stance instead of use the low CMA stance if your target is your opponent's head?
- train your solo drill as you train fighting, or train your solo drill as you train form?

9430

I train one step three punches with 上提下滾-raising up rolling down. "Raising up" is raising the opponent's arm from underneath. "Rolling down" is rolling your arm down on your opponent's arm from above. Since the forearms of opponent's are connected training fast is not the key point. So I train the drill with a speed like the video. With an opponent, it is a relatively similar (maybe even slower) speed since the arms are connected.

If the punches are "unobstructed" then yes, I train the hands faster "from the guard."

In solo training I move mostly for structure, how I hold my body, and respiration.
Train for fighting with a partner.

[-N-]

When you train "1 step 3 punches", will you

- train in combat speed? Instead of use 1 second to throw each punch (as shown in the OP's clip), will you throw all 3 punches in 1 second?
- punch from the "guard" (as shown in the following picture) instead of punch from the waist (as shown in the OP's clip)?
- use higher combat stance instead of use the low CMA stance if your target is your opponent's head?
- train your solo drill as you train fighting, or train your solo drill as you train form?

9430

For teaching, all of the above. Each method has a purpose.

[xiao yao]

The title says Six Harmony Mantis Basics... but the movements look more like Meihua Mantis done a bit smoother than normal to me

[xiao yao]

Regardin John's question:

I believe that it is better to start by learning a larger, more awkward movement, and make it smaller and more natural as you progress. Why did the masters of old pull their back hand back to their hip... I doubt they were stupid enough to think that was good for fighting.. well I think it was just a good way to get a beginner to feel the torque, to learn that when you punch one hand forward, you add to the power by pulling opposite shoulder back.

Likewise practicing it in a large stance opens up the hips and develops a feeling of rooting.

Once you are comfortable moving in this awkward way, when you stand very naturally and punch from a guard you will feel much more connected and have more power.

[mooyingmantis]

Definitely Six Harmony Mantis evidenced by the last two drills taken straight from the traditional forms.

[YouKnowWho]

Each method has a purpose.

well I think it was just a good way to get a beginner to feel the torque, to learn that when you punch one hand forward, you add to the power by pulling opposite shoulder back.

When I was 11, my brother in law taught me an open hand form "八卦拳(Bagua Quan)" (not from the Bagua system) and a pole form "劈手杆 (Pi Shou Gan)". One day I got into a fight. When I asked him after the fight and told him that I didn't know how to use the information from that form "八卦拳(Bagua Quan)", he stopped teaching me any more forms and asked me to train "1 step 3 punches" for the next 3 years. Since then "1 step 3 punches" is always part of my daily training.

Assume you have trained "1 step 3 punches" all your life everyday. When you get old, which method will you prefer? A, or, B, or both A and B? I assume this should apply to all the other training as well. There is a slight gap between the TCMA training and the real combat. During the beginner stage, you may want to separate both training, one for body method, and one for combat. But do you still want to treat yourself as beginner when you are 80 years old?

When you are 80 years old, if you throw "1 step 3 punches", will you punch from your waist, or will you punch from your head guard?

[Kellen Bassette]

. There is a slight gap between the TCMA training and the real combat. During the beginner stage, you may want to separate both training, one for body method, and one for combat. But do you still want to treat yourself as beginner when you are 80 years old?


The biggest problem in TCMA. People never cross that bridge from beginner body mechanics to real combat.

[xiao yao]

When I was 11, my brother in law taught me an open hand form "八卦拳(Bagua Quan)" (not from the Bagua system) and a pole form "劈手杆 (Pi Shou Gan)". One day I got into a fight. When I asked him after the fight and told him that I didn't know how to use the information from that form "八卦拳(Bagua Quan)", he stopped teaching me any more forms and asked me to train "1 step 3 punches" for the next 3 years. Since then "1 step 3 punches" is always part of my daily training.

Assume you have trained "1 step 3 punches" all your life everyday. When you get old, which method will you prefer? A, or, B, or both A and B? I assume this should apply to all the other training as well. There is a slight gap between the TCMA training and the real combat. During the beginner stage, you may want to separate both training, one for body method, and one for combat. But do you still want to treat yourself as beginner when you are 80 years old?

When you are 80 years old, if you throw "1 step 3 punches", will you punch from your waist, or will you punch from your head guard?

Personally I warm up with the larger "traditional" movements, and then later move onto the more natural "combat" movements. Plus I only do those larger movements as solo training, when training with a partner, even in simple drills, I use more natural movements and casual stances. That way you can get the benefit of training larger more awkward movements, without them becoming a habit when reacting to an attack.

[HmorenoM]

That is Zhang Daojin in his young age. Liuhe Tang Lang from Shan Xiang Ling branch (Lin Jiyou) i think.

[-N-]

But do you still want to treat yourself as beginner when you are 80 years old?

No matter how old, there always is something to develop.

When we are young, we like to rely on our strength and toughness.

When we get older, we can build on that by refining mechanics, relaxation, and range of motion.

Do both.

[Brat]

The biggest problem in TCMA. People never cross that bridge from beginner body mechanics to real combat.

And that is one of the biggest problems with martial arts in general. I learned to fight for real before I ever stepped into a dojo or a kwoon. I adapted what I learned to my existing knowledge of real combat. It's like miming swimming movements for years without ever diving into a pool full of water and expecting to be able to move like a professional.