Huen Sau Motion

[stonecrusher69]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liyUQxsRKts

[JPinAZ]

In WC, it is very important to included context as well as the WC concepts/principles that guide how/why you are doing the things you are doing. Without that, I'm having a hard time seeing any value in this as being the 'correct' anything.

Heun Sau is an action that varies in application based on pressure, facing, leverage, contact point and position with an opponent. Showing a technique on a dummy without context or application against a live person, it is very irresponsible to then say 'this is the correct way to do technique X'. While I'm sure you might be able to make it work in an application (maybe), I can also think of several instances where what you are showing would most likely not work.
FWIW, what you are showing is not how I do heun sau pretty much at any time, on the dummy or otherwise - And I highly doubt you are qualified to say that I'm doing it wrong. From my POV, with no elbow connection/structure to your body (flying elbows), lack of fwd energy, and no mention of backing WC principle or an application reference, it could be argued that you're 'doing it wrong'. Would that be a correct or fair assessment? Hopefully you can see the point ;)

[stonecrusher69]

In WC, it is very important to included context as well as the WC concepts/principles that guide how/why you are doing the things you are doing. Without that, I'm having a hard time seeing any value in this as being the 'correct' anything.

Heun Sau is an action that varies in application based on pressure, facing, leverage, contact point and position with an opponent. Showing a technique on a dummy without context or application against a live person, it is very irresponsible to then say 'this is the correct way to do technique X'. While I'm sure you might be able to make it work in an application (maybe), I can also think of several instances where what you are showing would most likely not work.
FWIW, what you are showing is not how I do heun sau pretty much at any time, on the dummy or otherwise - And I highly doubt you are qualified to say that I'm doing it wrong. From my POV, with no elbow connection/structure to your body (flying elbows), lack of fwd energy, and no mention of backing WC principle or an application reference, it could be argued that you're 'doing it wrong'. Would that be a correct or fair assessment? Hopefully you can see the point ;)

I was simply showing how I do one type of Huen Sao on the dummy. I'm not saying your doing it wrong or anyone else because I have never seen you do Huen sao. This video is very simple no need to write a long explanation of what I'm doing. I'm sure most people here know what and how it can be used. I wanted to show how I was doing it if it was different from the way the majority WCers use it or perform it, and give a little insight on how I approach it.

[JPinAZ]

That's fine, and this would have helped before watching the clip - to know what your point was.
FWIW, I was only going off of what you say in the video (since you gave no explanation here except to post up your clip). You start the video by telling the audience "I am going to show you the correct way of doing the heun sau". Hopefully you can see how this comes off as you having the definitive answer, and as we know now, that was not the case or your intention.

What I was trying to get at was this: when posting videos to a forum, it is helpful to either give a little bit of context in the post along with the clip, or chose your wording more carefully in the video so there is less confusion as to the point you're actually tying to make :)

*EDIT***
To further discussion (as I assume that is your intent for posting here) could you share principles/concepts behind the one type of correct huen sao you are showing? Also, how is this applied in application against an opponent?

[Vajramusti]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=liyUQxsRKts
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[stonecrusher69]

That's fine, and this would have helped before watching the clip - to know what your point was.
FWIW, I was only going off of what you say in the video (since you gave no explanation here except to post up your clip). You start the video by telling the audience "I am going to show you the correct way of doing the heun sau". Hopefully you can see how this comes off as you having the definitive answer, and as we know now, that was not the case or your intention.

What I was trying to get at was this: when posting videos to a forum, it is helpful to either give a little bit of context in the post along with the clip, or chose your wording more carefully in the video so there is less confusion as to the point you're actually tying to make :)

*EDIT***
To further discussion (as I assume that is your intent for posting here) could you share principles/concepts behind the one type of correct huen sao you are showing? Also, how is this applied in application against an opponent?


Originally, I made the video for my student. He was doing the Huen Sao motion WRONG on the jong wrong so I made the video for him as a reference. Hence,the name of the video,but the idea or concept of the Huen Sao motion on the jong is to glide alone the length of the arm to receive the opponents force and glide it away without opposing his force. This way you do not interrupt his momentum and so he believes he's in control and not being countered . I Guess it sort of like Ward off in Taiji but in a Wing Chun way. This is not the only way to perform the Huen Sao motion but one of the ways which comes from the Fut Sao Wing Chun system which I have integrated into my personal system.