Fundamentals Of Chi Sao Tan Structure

[stonecrusher69]

Proper use of Wing Chun structure, energy, and correct use of elbow position when applied in Chi Sao practice. The focus is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjn0FI6_VGo on the proper use of the Tan Sao.

[Grumblegeezer]

Proper use of Wing Chun structure, energy, and correct use of elbow position when applied in Chi Sao practice. The focus is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjn0FI6_VGo on the proper use of the Tan Sao.

If your opponent jerks down your tan-sau, why do you resist when it is so much easier to go with his force? Just roll into bong or release and run around, etc.

In the WC I studied, resisting force like that is undesirable.

[stonecrusher69]

If your opponent jerks down your tan-sau, why do you resist when it is so much easier to go with his force? Just roll into bong or release and run around, etc.

In the WC I studied, resisting force like that is undesirable.

I can do that but I don't have to that is the point. If all you can do is run away evenually I will get you.

[wckf92]

I can do that but I don't have to that is the point. If all you can do is run away evenually I will get you.

WTF? Who says that principle means "run away"??????????

[Grumblegeezer]

I can do that but I don't have to that is the point. If all you can do is run away evenually I will get you.

Not run away, run around... and control center. But the real problem is trying to resist rather than using your opponent's force. The moment you resist, you stiffen and loose springy energy and forward pressure.

Perhaps you are not stiffening up, but from your explanation it sounds like it. You seem to be taking pride in having a very strong tan-sau structure, while our WC strives to be very "flexible". We pride ourselves at converting tan to bong, etc. with "an ounce of force". Our focus is forward, not fighting hands.

[stonecrusher69]

Not run away, run around... and control center. But the real problem is trying to resist rather than using your opponent's force. The moment you resist, you stiffen and loose springy energy and forward pressure.

Perhaps you are not stiffening up, but from your explanation it sounds like it. You seem to be taking pride in having a very strong tan-sau structure, while our WC strives to be very "flexible". We pride ourselves at converting tan to bong, etc. with "an ounce of force". Our focus is forward, not fighting hands.

If you run the hand I will hit you. You can't control center because I control it. You gave up your position so how are you going to get it back

[Grumblegeezer]

If you run the hand I will hit you. You can't control center because I control it. You gave up your position so how are you going to get it back

Who says you control center? And I can't shift my center to get an angle on you? It's ridiculous to argue words. Here I'm just looking at a video, reading what you are saying, ...but if we don't cross bridges, it's all speculation. As it is, all I honestly can say is that it seems like you are working off a very different idea about how to employ tan sau in chi-sau than what i'm familiar with. Now, if we all got together, took turns crossing bridges, we could have a meaningful discussion and afterwords I'd pitch in for the beer.

[stonecrusher69]

Who says you control center? And I can't shift my center to get an angle on you? It's ridiculous to argue words. Here I'm just looking at a video, reading what you are saying, ...but if we don't cross bridges, it's all speculation. As it is, all I honestly can say is that it seems like you are working off a very different idea about how to employ tan sau in chi-sau than what i'm familiar with. Now, if we all got together, took turns crossing bridges, we could have a meaningful discussion and afterwords I'd pitch in for the beer.

I agree with you unless we cross hands it's all speculation, but that is not always practical if you live very far way, but your always welcome to test me out if you like. You said how do I know I control center. If your in control then you know it. Also if your running your hand that means your positing is weak otherwise why are you running the hand. You see when you have to do nothing and you have to move your hand means I'm in control and your not.when you move your hand I will hit you..because you gave up center. .if your ever in NYC come see me I will show you

[Grumblegeezer]

I agree with you unless we cross hands it's all speculation, but that is not always practical if you live very far way, but your always welcome to test me out if you like. You said how do I know I control center. If your in control then you know it. Also if your running your hand that means your positing is weak otherwise why are you running the hand. You see when you have to do nothing and you have to move your hand means I'm in control and your not.when you move your hand I will hit you..because you gave up center. .if your ever in NYC come see me I will show you

I assume that when my partner controls center, he will hit me. The fact that he hasn't should mean that he hasn't gained control ...or else what the heck is he doing????

And you are right, it's a pity we all live so far apart. I haven't been to NY in ages. But if I do get back there I will definitely try to look you up. Until then, I've enjoyed the discussion. :)

[boxerbilly]

Guys you can try each other methods. Maybe not on one another but on the partners you have. Just don't tell the partner before hand, then you can see if it works. After if it fails you, you can see if you did something wrong and try to make it work with the partners know privy to the experiment. Just a thought. Great discussion.

[stonecrusher69]

I assume that when my partner controls center, he will hit me. The fact that he hasn't should mean that he hasn't gained control ...or else what the heck is he doing????

And you are right, it's a pity we all live so far apart. I haven't been to NY in ages. But if I do get back there I will definitely try to look you up. Until then, I've enjoyed the discussion. :)

Hi..when someone has control he may not always hit you. As you know chi sao is not always about hitting but controlling which is a harder skill to obtain then hitting. The hitting part is feedback to your training partner that he made a mistake so next time he can fix it. For a newbie he needs to be hit otherwise he thinks he is doing over thing correctly,but someone advanced no need to hit he will he could have been hit if his training partner wanted to. It takes only a few seconds to some up who knows what..I hope we can meet someday..I'm sure I can learn alot from you...

Peace

[Wayfaring]

Proper use of Wing Chun structure, energy, and correct use of elbow position when applied in Chi Sao practice. The focus is
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kjn0FI6_VGo on the proper use of the Tan Sao.

Seems to me the secret you are trying to show in this video is to not chi sau with your arms fully extended. I guess I would agree with you. It's not much of a secret

[stonecrusher69]

Seems to me the secret you are trying to show in this video is to not chi sau with your arms fully extended. I guess I would agree with you. It's not much of a secret

Forget about the secret stuff. Either the information is useful or not. That's the way I look at it.

[Wayfaring]

Forget about the secret stuff. Either the information is useful or not. That's the way I look at it.

Says the guy with the word "secret" twice in his tag line ...

[stonecrusher69]

Says the guy with the word "secret" twice in his tag line ...


I use the word secret because people think there are but like I explain there is no secrets...only ignorance.

[Wayfaring]

I use the word secret because people think there are but like I explain there is no secrets...only ignorance.

There is no arguing with a man who speaks for himself.