Question on Meihuaquan

[Oolong]

Hello,
to Sal, et al...

I am interested in training Meihuaquan, but don't know of any teachers in my area. Would learning Shilu Tantui (10 Road) online be a decent starting point? I seem to be really enjoying it so far.

[Oolong]

bump.......

[zuti car]

Does it have to be Minghe ? Maybe you can try some other crane .

[bawang]

the flowers bloom and wither and bloom again,
like fly returning to poop,
the random internet nerd
asking for online instruction in obscure kung fu style

[rett2]

Hello,
to Sal, et al...

I am interested in training Meihuaquan, but don't know of any teachers in my area. Would learning Shilu Tantui (10 Road) online be a decent starting point? I seem to be really enjoying it so far.

Online training is like buying paper flowers. Sure, maybe they’re "orchids" but a real life dandelion is still better. Just my 2¢, since I don't know anything about your exact situation. But I'd gravitate towards finding a group/teacher you like within your travel radius and just learning whatever they happen to teach.

[Oolong]

Not looking for online training. I''m kinda living in my car right now, so options are limited.... Just wondering if the tantui would be something good to hold me over, until I can afford to enroll in a class.

It seems like Minute Rice..... pretty hard to **** up.

[YouKnowWho]

Not looking for online training. I''m kinda living in my car right now, so options are limited.... Just wondering if the tantui would be something good to hold me over, until I can afford to enroll in a class.

It seems like Minute Rice..... pretty hard to **** up.

I assume you are talking about Meihua long fist 花拳 (Hua Chuan). In that system, there are 3 most important forms.

beginner level - 弹煺 (Tan Tui)
intermediate level - 十字趟 (Shi Zi Tan)
advance level - 太祖长拳 (Tai Zu Chang Cguan)

So 弹煺 (Tan Tui) is a good starting point. All 3 forms can be found online through GM Han Chin-Tang's 花拳 (Hua Chuan) system.

弹煺 (Tan Tui):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wt83nvRwq-4

[YouKnowWho]

十字趟 (Shi Zi Tan):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhrDP025ip0

[YouKnowWho]

太祖长拳 (Tai Zu Chang Cguan):


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uK2h2W-SVis

[Oolong]

Very cool thanks for help :)

[Oolong]

This is the version I've been trying to learn. Is it the Muslim one?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvwZuu9fVbY


*Also, I notice they punch out with the fist horizontal instead of vertical. This feels more natural to me

[YouKnowWho]

That's the 1st road of Tan Tui.

The

- vertical fist is to train how to keep your elbow joint downward to protect your chest.
- horizontal fist is easily to be "cracked". If you use vertical fist, you can still bend your elbow joint to release that pressure.

10090


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DXFYw7fJyRU&feature=youtu.be

[-N-]

Would learning Shilu Tantui (10 Road) online be a decent starting point? I seem to be really enjoying it so far.


It seems like Minute Rice..... pretty hard to **** up.


This is the version I've been trying to learn. Is it the Muslim one?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvwZuu9fVbY


*Also, I notice they punch out with the fist horizontal instead of vertical. This feels more natural to me

Actually, there are a lot of ways to mess up, even if you have a teacher.

You might get the superficial appearance but it can be difficult to develop the proper fundamentals that Tan Tui is supposed to teach.

For example, the guy in that video doesn't understand how to drive his power from the rear leg. This is a common problem that people struggle with, even when they get direct hands on coaching and correction.

Still better than sitting around eating Fritos and watching tv, I suppose.

[YouKnowWho]

Actually, there are a lot of ways to mess up, even if you have a teacher.
IMO, the most difficult part of Tan Tui training is the "front kick". You won't get into detail when you learned Tan Tui but in more advanced form training such as "三路炮 (San Lu Pao) - Pao Chuan #3", or until you train toe push kick on heavy bag. Many people went back to correct their Tan Tui front kick after that. Many people didn't.

If you look at GM Han Chin-Tang's front kick in Tan Tui, you can see his front kick is quite different from those modern Wushu front kick (check online).

- He raised his knee as high as he could.
- He bent his knee close to his chest.
- He kicked out by using a "downward curve".
- He didn't pull his kick back. He used it to step forward.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoSkSgp8Kik&feature=youtu.be

[YouKnowWho]

In this clip, the kicking path is an "upward curve". Also he pulls his kicking leg back before steps forward


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zvwZuu9fVbY

[-N-]

If you look at GM Han Chin-Tang's front kick in Tan Tui, you can see his front kick is quite different from those modern Wushu front kick (check online).

- He raised his knee as high as he could.
- He bent his knee close to his chest.
- He kicked out by using a "downward curve".
- He didn't pull his kick back. He used it to step forward.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QoSkSgp8Kik&feature=youtu.be

Same idea in Praying Mantis 14 Roads.

Shin kick (cross kick) is used to step forward. It has to be integrated into the footwork so that you can run in and kick at the same time as you do your other attacking movements.

Most people have problem with this.

[bawang]

This is most hilarious random internet kungfu nerd request yet. Legit meihuaquan is racist and don't teach white people. Legit Muslim tantui don't teach non muslims and this guy specifically ask for both rofl

[-N-]

This is most hilarious random internet kungfu nerd request yet. Legit meihuaquan is racist and don't teach white people. Legit Muslim tantui don't teach non muslims and this guy specifically ask for both rofl

Bruce Lee changed all that.

[bawang]

Bruce Lee changed all that.

This mainland we talking about bra those two big players in boxer rebellion bra

[Oolong]

This is most hilarious random internet kungfu nerd request yet. Legit meihuaquan is racist and don't teach white people. Legit Muslim tantui don't teach non muslims and this guy specifically ask for both rofl


....And I'm a Jew. WTF?! :D


Next thing you know I'll be driving a VW.

[-N-]

This mainland we talking about bra those two big players in boxer rebellion bra

I didn't think I had to post the rolling eye smiley on my last comment.

[bawang]

I didn't think I had to post the rolling eye smiley on my last comment.

u know that meihuaquan is basically boxer rebellion kung fu right

boxer founder is 14th generation meihuaquan disciple

[rett2]

....And I'm a Jew. WTF?! :D


Next thing you know I'll be driving a VW.

I'm not sure what Bawang is upset with you about, to be honest. I guess he's opposed to "cultural appropriation" or something like that. Seems like any non-Chinese who is interested in TCMA axiomatically has to belong to the sensible majority who don't view "cultural appropriation" as wrong or bad, but rather as a normal part of all human history. Just my 2¢ again. It's possible I've trivialized or misrepresented Bawang’s position. Good luck with your practice.

[bawang]

I'm not sure what Bawang is upset with you about, to be honest. I guess he's opposed to "cultural appropriation" or something like that. Seems like any non-Chinese who is interested in TCMA axiomatically has to belong to the sensible majority who don't view "cultural appropriation" as wrong or bad, but rather as a normal part of all human history. Just my 2¢ again. It's possible I've trivialized or misrepresented Bawang’s position. Good luck with your practice.

learning kung fu from internet is bad ok. bad bad bad.

and he literally asked for the only kung fu groups that dont teach white people and are only located in hilly billy villages in china

[rett2]

learning kung fu from internet is bad ok. bad bad bad.

and he literally asked for the only kung fu groups that dont teach white people and are only located in hilly billy villages in china

Is there really no meihuaquan in Europe or elsewhere in western countries? Have you checked? I'm asking out of genuine curiosity.

[Oolong]

It's all good you guys... I found a tantui teacher.

I love America

[mickey]

It's all good you guys... I found a tantui teacher.

I love America

Greetings Oolong,

Is the teacher a specialist in Tan Tui?

Curious,

mickey

[mickey]

Greetings,

Thank you for sharing that refinement about your Sifu's kick, YouKnowWho.

mickey

[Oolong]

Greetings Oolong,

Is the teacher a specialist in Tan Tui?

Curious,

mickey

Yep

WJM lineage, 'nuff said

[rett2]

Yep

WJM lineage, 'nuff said

Cool, what's the teacher and the training like so far?

[bawang]

Rofl was it the guy who got in slap fight with Bruce lee

[Oolong]

Cool, what's the teacher and the training like so far?

It's fantastic. Going to have my plate full for the next couple years for sure.

Just nice to finally have a place to train and do my thing, away from the public eye. That's been a huge issue.

[YouKnowWho]

Did your teacher puts a brick on top of your instep when you hold still on your front kick? The Tan Tui training is hard. Because the drop out rate was too high. Tan Tui was not taught in my high school after my time.

[Oolong]

Did your teacher puts a brick on top of your instep when you hold still on your front kick? The Tan Tui training is hard. Because the drop out rate was too high. Tan Tui was not taught in my high school after my time.

Not old school like that, no. But still physically demanding. Holding postures for 20 counts, kicking drills up and down the room, etc I couldn't walk the next day, so
I must be doing it right. :D