Box cutters/airplanes?

[umgong]

If you were in an airplane and some kook pulls out a box cutter (razor) and tries to take over the airplane...do you have a defense against knives or boxcutters? or have you been trained?

[JerryLove]

Yep, we even refocused the last knife seminar (end of September) to pay more attention to such crowded spaces and close in work.

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[nospam]

Not so much the weapon as opposed to the way in which the weapon is being used..

nospam.

[Martial Joe]

Thos people on those plains should have just kicked their asses...

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[Budokan]

I agree. Sadly, the long feminization and male castration (in the political sense) of this country has mutated much of the population into sheeple. We can only hope that has changed since Sept. 11th. God, I hope so. We were starting to look a lot like France there for a second....

K. Mark Hoover

[Nin-Po-Dragon]

Even if they werent trained- they were gonna die anyway! They could have swarmed on them and wrestled them to death........they would have taken a few cuts! But for a purpose!

[SaMantis]

Hi, everyone.

The boxcutter/to-fight-or-not-to-fight debate has gone on at my school, too. I'm not sure how I personally would deal with a kook brandishing a boxcutter on a plane, and we haven't done any training to address that.

As far as the people on Sept. 11th fighting back, of course the people on the flight that crashed in Penn. fought back after they heard (over their cellphones) about what happened at the WTC. The people on the 1st 2 flights probably believed what the hijackers were telling them, there was no reason to fight back and endanger others. Airline policy before 9/11 was to not fight back.

Also, there's the state of mind people in the planes were in. I've wondered how I would have reacted if I were in one of those planes, and the hijackers suddenly took over -- probably claimed they had a bomb, probably stabbed one or two flight attendants for emphasis. I would have been very frightened, probably too frightened to react even if I noticed the plane taking a very strange turn.

After 9/11 attitudes have certainly changed; I flew this weekend for the first time since the attack and noticed right away how all the passengers were checking each other out, surreptitiously, peering over their newspapers. I think anyone trying to cause trouble would have a hard time now -- whether a hijacker or just a copycat kook.

The problem with training to deal with a boxcutter/knives situation is that the terrorists probably won't use that tactic again (if they're smart). Although that doesn't rule out crazy people with nail clippers!

Focusing more on reacting to surprise or intimidation tactics is important, I think. More so than learning to disarm someone. Although, if you all know any neat boxcutter-disarming moves, I'll be very happy to add them to my personal training regimen! :)

Samm

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[Martial Joe]

Nin-Po-Dragon~They wouldnt have died if they kicked there ass and prevented them from going any further.

Maybe one,two,or more people could have been poked or cut in the process...but it would have been worth it...

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[JerryLove]

Actually, the guy flying the plane was a terrorist. Though I suppose had they acted early enough they might have stopped it before that became the case (how the terrorist doesn't go for the pilot when the fighting break out).

The reality of the first 3 planes is that traditionally, skyjackers don't blow up the plane (with the people onboard) and they claimed a bomb. Based on available information at the time, cooperation was the right choice.

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[Martial Joe]

I didnt know that he was flying the plain to start off.I thought he took over...

Woopsy...

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[JerryLove]

"I didnt know that he was flying the plain to start off.I thought he took over..."

It is (last I heard) unlcear. The terrorists had stolen pilots outfits and IDs and some planes may or may not have had terrorists in the cockpit before the hijacking (I would need to research if there has been a consensus on weather or not this is true, at one point, the news was reporting it as likely).

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[LEGEND]

From this point on...anyone that tries to hijack your plane and u're a passenger...yell...GET HIM...then swarm the *******s!!!

A

[GeneChing]

I do a lot of psych tech and crises management for the Haight Ashbury Free Clinic - Rock Medicine (www.rockmed.org) and deal with occasional combative patients.
One of my 'gurus' in this is a top psych nurse for CA corrections, and has dealt with some heavy duty prisoners like Manson. He has awesome skills. Anyway, he told me years ago that the best weapon was a box cutter. He's also an old biker and Nam vet, and used to smile when he saw some of our EMT's brandishing some tricked out 'combat' knife. He felt the box cutter was more elegant as a real street weapon - a slide of the button and you had several inches of razor sharp steel. You can disppose of it easily, even break it in an opponent, and you always have a ready excuse for the arresting officer - "I cut boxes at work". He was real excited when they came out with the pen-sized cutters. So I've never underestimated the boxcutter.