Bare Knuckle

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFuNdPJZO2g

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lew-wTbW1vg

Come on down. There is still plenty of talent on our streets. You will have to fight under their rules. The rules change block to block. Usually there is no cash prize. Bragging rights and massive testosterone boost.

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xuzqlDntcyI

Take it to the ground here and might as well post a sign on your face saying " Kick me hard in the teeth." That's what the other guys brother will do to you.

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2bFJJYH4P4

Now modern bare knuckle simulates but is not the same as older rules. Even back then. Rules varied from town to town. Styles changed to fit rules and to beat current styles under those rules while staying inside the rules.

This looks like sloppy stuff right ? But you are missing the fact most guys drop first face shot. These boys are tuff even if they are sort of fat and sloppy. But they are using modern boxing almost predominately here. Hence the need for wraps. They still want the fast and furious of todays ring methods.

[boxerbilly]

Also notice how the hand cover to protect against left swings and hooks fails most of the time with no glove on. It was one of the main reason boxers across the board tended to take an almost side stance and relying on stepping or swaying back to avoid that shot. Todays boxers tend to lean forward as hitting that way is a bit more powerful. Old times tended to lean back in their stances.

Guys like Mendoza took more of a peekaboo and likely used guard strategy similar to that video by Dan Djurdjevic. Here-
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8R8jeR62QUM


Also, most old methods used standing grappling for infighting. Tossing you hard to the ground. Depending on area. Shin kicking was potentially acceptable.

[boxerbilly]

Ducking was frowned on because you got a knee straight to the face. Bending forward to duck meant you got hacked to the back of the neck. Think chop.

[boxerbilly]

You can see the boys trying to use that elbow spear cover because the fist cover fails so they try to use a larger shield for that smaller fist. Also seeing hacking here. Using hammer fists.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IVsyYsfaKPE

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_f8zu9ZORQ

[boxerbilly]

This one is great, She uses the car, LMFAO.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MoF6tVdh2ns

[boxerbilly]

That's thai kick ROC style
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8joF3NlJKlA

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VRrLLRXXlck

[boxerbilly]

Oh get out of your car and some dude will come up asking you for money. Current story is "man, you got a 5 for gas. Im from Buffalo or some ****e. My daughter is in the car and we are just trying to get home. Or Man, you got some cash for some fix a flat, The rest of the story stays the same. Don't get out of your car and keep the engine on.LMFAO. You might just get mugged depending on the street. Mostly you are okay. I love it here. Just kids having fun. Dangerous fun it is though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dOEXIXs3AQw

[boxerbilly]

How come Scottish people don't have their own day ? Not fair dudes ! F--k the Irish. I want my own day too.
https://www.liveleak.com/view?i=beb_1489355327

Ahhh, one of my best friends is Irish. Im better looking. And taller. And can kick is a-s. But he packs a piece so I refrain now.

[MarathonTmatt]

billy,

s'funny- the other week I was watching that first vid. u posted in the thread and some other irish videos on bare-knuckle boxing. I was thinking of doing this thread here but just didn't get around to it. Glad you did!
here is an oldie: John L. Sullivan. Boxing's last bare-knuckle champion, himself having converted to wearing gloves. a short 5 minute video:

https://youtu.be/kpu8H1AH6ek

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xVV5pqu9Dsg

[boxerbilly]

http://www.twcnews.com/nys/rochester/news/2016/12/4/stonewood-stabbing-shooting.html

Always someone willing to gut you in a bar around here. I stay out of those places now. Guns fights happen now too.

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J_yWWfTw748

Chancery and holding works. Which is why old times wore no clothing on their torsos. Heck, just watch Hockey. Rochester is a Hockey Town too.

[boxerbilly]

In regards to the first video. Talk of trying to get it legalized. No gloves and it is doubtful. MMA gloves and you will likely see some serious damage to guys faces and deaths that's exceed acceptable allowance in other sports. You put MMA gloves on some of those guys and its like getting hit by bat. So, I doubt it will ever go legal. But if it did. It would make a lot of money. Probably exceed MMA levels quickly. I think historically boxing has almost always made more cash than any other combative sport. It is just what people prefer mostly.

That's one problem with grappling. Much is boring to watch unless you are a grappler. So the fan base is niched. MMA opened grappling based arts a larger audience but it still pales compared to boxing. People want to see that knock out from a hard punch. They love it. I also think people believe there is somehow something fair and pure about just punching.

One on one. I think grappling is superior usually and for most people. But the dollars will never be there at the same level.

[boxerbilly]

Joe Rogan. Again, not a real fan of his or follow him. But sometimes I see a video of his in the line up and will click it. I don't hate the guy just not a fan. I like Eddies conspiracy stuff though. Guy is a hoot.

But Rogan once made a comment that an average wrestler could beat Floyd Mayweather. Ive never cared for Floyed myself by the way. But to Joes assertion I will mostly agree with that. But Floyed could also get the timing right and knock the dude out cold first shoot. But my money would be on the wrestler.

Now Joe and all those guys BJJ and MMA always talk about I can beat this guy and that guy. And it goes back to RULES. Why is it they only ofer to fight under their rules ? They are the ones that want the fights . Then some wise as-- wil say well we offered and got turned down. Yes you did. Know why ? You are not ranked but most importantly you have nothing to offer. Bring cash to the table. Like 50 million. I bet he takes the fight under his rules and slaps a foul clause. You foul and you lose and Floyed goes home 50 million richer.

But that's the thing with MMA and GJJ. You always have to fight them under their rules. That's the offer. How about MMA fights under Sanda rules ? Or Shuai Jiao
rules ? The answer is it is not real or complete fighting. But if it is supposed to be real fighting how come Ive never seen completely MMA kind of fights on the street as a rule ? Or what about in bars when you get glassed or bottled or pig stuck or chaired or ash trayed ? Is that fake stuff that never happens or works ?

That's one big thing I I frown on with MMA guys. You have to fight them under their rules. Which is fine if you challenge them. But if they challenge you. They should fight under your rules. Now the Gracies did offer cash but it was their rules and no one knew how to defend it back then. They also banked on the fact most people do not want to seriously injure or kill another person. You see, most people regardless their background don't want to kill and main someone else. People tend to be instinctively good in that regard.

So, I suggest Joe puts up 50 million and offers to meet Floyd in the boxing ring under boxing rules. Otherwise STFU. Even Eddie refuses to fight MMA. He would get killed.

[boxerbilly]

Just like the CLF boys showing up to fight Thais under their rules. Or the Kyokushin boys. Or the Marines that were willing to keep elbows and knees in the game and the Thais backed out and said kicks and punches and the Marines won with just hands. Ive looked and looked but the guy who owned the tape never uploaded it. He was a Marine LT that was a Marine boxer as well. My brothers friend. Take that stuff away and it is almost like PKA and that sport was mostly boxing based with 8 kick minimum. Lots of boxers that did poor in boxing made some cash in PKA.

[boxerbilly]

How come the Gracies never offered to take on Eric Knaus ? They were going to debut full contact weapons fighting at UFC 1 but decided it was to brutal ? But it is their art and it is a weapons art. Hand comes after weapons. So why not against a rattan stick with a guy that could also bang with his joints and had some grappling skills at that time ? Or facing a guy with say a wooden tanto. Think that would be a good hold break if shoved into say the ribs ? Heck, Royce bring a club inside too. The Dog Brothers were game but nope. That not fair ? Oh barehanded only. They made the rules. NO rules until Jon Hess eye gouged. Oh yeah, We had that rule. No fish hooking either. Ah, someone willing to main and maybe kill showed up but the Gracies did not face him. Another fighter did. Pretty sure Royce drew Yarborough and the name went back in the hat, LOL. He would have been crushed. So Kieth Hackney got the draw and dropped Yarborough with a kung fu strike one could almost say straight out of CLF but truthfully it came by way of Jimmy Wing Woo via John McSweeney.

Anyway. Just bones to pick. MMA pros are tough dudes that no one wants to face under their rules or without rules. Period. But most would get beat under others rules. Same for the rest of us. I also respect the Gracie completely and what they brought to the table. They could beat most of us me included.

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6WoMgotN90I

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I4i7tDGxEoM

[Jimbo]

This vid is so satisfying...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lcB8DVeaWIM&sns=em

[boxerbilly]

Yeah. It sure is.

Just like that knock out game crap. PUNKS. We had a rush of that around here too. Then with the cops and real tough guys out on the street hoping someone tried to blind side them. It toned down fairly fast. Lots of people here are packing and I have no doubt prayed they could waste someone. We have our share of killers here. Not psychos but would love nothing more than to end someone for the public good. I personally prefer non violent means whenever possible but not everyone is like me. My way seems to suck. LOL.

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lYKL54UiVns

WORSE THAN PRISON !!!!!!!!!

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHPfKA7Le3A


Welcome to our cell.

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7JJl8GRizU4


Had some black boys sent up from NYC to a home and they got sent to my school. One was a master of tossing his wind breaker over a guys head and pounding his face. Tall , skinny kid. First time I ever saw that. Never used it. he and his friend used to practice it on gym class, LOL. Im serious.

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8A2DUZNH3C0

He was one seriously scary dude.

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p_3VMKJ3vlo

but MMA guys are welcome to fight in those street matches. Some will manage. Most will lose.

[boxerbilly]

http://deadspin.com/****-him-up-spectators-cheer-as-two-high-school-hocke-1793168089

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gmVG31m6lMU

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyzsm0aw_Jk

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZE7VqI3HkXg

[boxerbilly]

Their sport managed to stay and have a big following in our area. Just about every HS has a team.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RT245JxlTRM

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q0C1z3Y3CpQ

[Jimbo]

The guy's expression at the end is priceless.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IeniyM4jDk&sns=em

[boxerbilly]

No nothing really bad and the kid if caught is facing serious prison time. You are not allowed to attack bus drivers. Almost never. Big charges.
I am proud that one of the youths not cheering the idiots actions keeps yelling that is unacceptable. At least one boy was raised well by he parents. OUTSTANDING ! Now if you know that tard, turn him in.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HufEycXAGAs

[boxerbilly]

http://wxxinews.org/post/rochester-police-hold-man-death-rts-bus-driver

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k7W2W-kFgbI

[sanjuro_ronin]

It's a no-brainer:

No gloves = more blood, less KO's.
Gloves = More KO's, less blood.

[Jimbo]

Many experienced street fighters are well aware that it's often easier (and safer for your hand) to KO someone with a full-force slap. I discovered this by accident many years ago when I slapped some guy who was acting like a dick to me. I didn't really want to hurt him, but the result was dramatic, to say the least. And though I used power, it felt effortless. These aren't the prissy TV soap opera slaps.

In this vid, I would ignore the parts showing the idiots who purposely stand there to take a slap (which, unfortunately, is the majority of this video). You can tell they don't really think a slap can do harm. It can. I once read that long ago, a Russian torturer knew many men who could take his hardest punches, but none, no matter how big, could take one of his slaps. He also slightly cupped his hand to magnify the effect.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E5Z8kQXeeCI&sns=em

[Jimbo]

Here's another example:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P23JJ19wNNk&sns=em

[Cataphract]

Many experienced street fighters are well aware that it's often easier (and safer for your hand) to KO someone with a full-force slap. I discovered this by accident many years ago when I slapped some guy who was acting like a dick to me. I didn't really want to hurt him, but the result was dramatic, to say the least. And though I used power, it felt effortless. These aren't the prissy TV soap opera slaps.

Thanks, interesting.

EDIT: Most of the guys hit the ground with the back of their heads. Sick. The one at 4:49 was a knife hand to the neck not a slap.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Bas Rutten agrees :)

[boxerbilly]

Bas Rutten !!!!

[boxerbilly]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiGQIh-6Kdo

[Jimbo]

Bas Rutten indeed. His "bone strike" slap is a variant that is virtually identical to CLF's sow jeung ("sweeping" or roundhouse palm). It can be made to travel a short distance, too.

This vid is all KOs. The one at 2:46 has been posted on these forums in the past, and is one of the best examples on YouTube of a slap KO. The most effective KO slaps and punches usually come unexpectedly, as opposed to both sides squaring off with their dukes up. For some reason, a lot of these examples seem to come out of Russia(?).

BTW, I dislike the music the guy added to the video from 2:34. IMO, he should have left it out.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lbf-mvRERU4&sns=em

[boxerbilly]

4:33. It is one of the best set ups Ive ever seen. Also watch his left hand. I wrote about this elsewhere years ago.

[Cataphract]

That's not a slap. That's a slap (at 1:22).


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SAiGqHq71HA

[@PLUGO]

10662 (https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/americas-first-bare-knuckle-boxing-championship/5b9f9cc9be40776b855e7c03?popular=1)

Since its heyday in the late 1800s, bare-knuckle boxing in the US has been relegated to parking lots and grimy basements, an underground sport that couldn’t find a way to bring itself above board. But in June of 2018—after spending years petitioning almost 30 states to sanction the brutal fights—promoter David Feldman finally managed to stage America's first-ever legal bare-knuckle boxing match in Wyoming. VICE went to the Bare Knuckle Fighting Championships in Cheyenne a few days ahead of the big event to hear how Feldman managed to pull it off, and to meet a handful of fighters for whom boxing—and even MMA fighting—just isn’t hardcore enough.

[GeneChing]

'When I land, it's night-night': Ex-UFC star Artem Lobov on bare-knuckle boxing debut (https://www.rt.com/sport/455693-artem-lobov-bare-knuckle-boxing/)
Published time: 5 Apr, 2019 22:55

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Irish-based Russian mixed martial arts star Artem Lobov is about to embark on the latest chapter of his combat sports career, as he leaves the UFC behind and takes on a fresh challenge in the world of bare-knuckle boxing.
Lobov built a reputation as one of mixed martial arts' most willing competitors, competing on the regional scene across Europe for promotions including the respected ACB and Cage Warriors before getting his shot at the UFC through their reality show, The Ultimate Fighter.

And, after landing a spot on the UFC roster, Lobov accepted every challenge thrown his way before eventually being granted his release earlier this year.

Now freshly signed to the US-based bare-knuckle promotion, Bare Knuckle FC, Lobov is ready to take center stage this weekend in a main-event bout at the organization's fifth show, BKFC 5, where he'll take on fellow former UFC featherweight, Jason 'The Kid' Knight.

Lobov's bout with Knight takes place on Saturday, and heads a card that features fellow former UFC fighters Isaac Vallie-Flagg, Chase Sherman, and Chris Leben.

And in an exclusive interview with RT Sport, 'The Russian Hammer' says he is looking forward to embracing a new challenge after a life spent competing under MMA rules.

"I feel this is an advantageous sport for me," he said.

"It's no secret that I always struggled with wrestlers - this was my downfall in the UFC. I was able to strike with guys like Michael Johnson. He is a Top 10 fighter in the world, he's the only guy to beat Tony Ferguson in the UFC. He's the guy who knocked out Dustin Poirier, who is going to be fighting for a UFC belt right now. And I went toe to toe with this guy and I made him wrestle - he didn't want to stand with me.

"As you can see, I clearly have a big, big advantage if it's just a stand-up fight, and especially if it's just a stand-up fight with hands only. I've never been knocked out - this chin is made out of granite. Born in Russia, forged in Ireland, as I say. So I look forward to the challenge. I think it's going to suit me really well and I'm going to knock out a few guys."

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The challenge also sees Lobov competing without gloves for the first time. And while the heavy-handed Russian says he's confident that he can score a string of knockouts in bare-knuckle competition, he also acknowledges the dangers of fighting without any protection on his hands.

"At first sight, it might seem more dangerous, but if you look at it more closely you realize that actually, it's a very technical sport," he explained.

"The fact that you're not wearing any gloves - no protection for your hands, you'll break your hands very easily - [means] you have to be very precise, you have to be technical. You can't just start swinging like crazy. You'll just end up breaking your hands and that's it, there are no other tools you can use in the fight. There's are also less places to cover and to shell up. It's very hard to do that - you don't have a [gloved] cushion to protect yourself.

“It's an interesting challenge, and that's what I like. It makes my mind work, it makes my brain work. I have to figure it out and I really look forward to competing in this great sport."

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Lobov says his transition from the all-encompassing world of mixed martial arts to the more specialized realm of bare-knuckle boxing is less of an issue than it might be for some, as he had previously pursued a boxing license earlier in his career.

But he revealed that, at the time, MMA was still an emerging sport and the boxing authorities would not allow him to pursue both boxing and MMA at the same time.

"I was told that in order for me to pursue a professional boxing career I would have to give up my career in MMA," he says.

"They just wouldn't allow me to compete in both disciplines at the same time. At that time, that was a deal-breaker for me. Of course, MMA was something that I really loved and wanted to compete in I was hoping to get into the UFC at that time, and everything that comes with it. So that was 'no deal' for me at the time."

Lobov's first test in bare-knuckle competition comes against Knight, a fellow former UFC featherweight who broke into the ranked positions during his career before eventually departing the organization.

He says he has huge respect for the American, but says his own striking prowess should hold sway on fight night. And the heavy-handed featherweight says he'll mark his debut with a knockout victory.

"Jason is a very good fighter, I have a lot of respect for him as a fighter," Lobov admits.

"Not only is he a good fighter, he was a Top 10 UFC featherweight. But if you break him down and you look at how he achieved that, his style is very diverse. He's good everywhere. But in boxing he'll only have strikes, he'll only have his hands.

"Even if he lands some shots on me, everybody knows this chin is made out of granite. I'll just smile at him and keep walking forward. And when I land, it's night-night Jason."


A Lesson In Street MMA: Bare Knuckle Boxing Fans Will Not Hesitate To Throw You Off The Second Floor In A Fight (https://middleeasy.com/street-fights/bare-knuckle-fans-fight/)
By Tommy Messano -April 8, 2019

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Still can’t decide if bare knuckle boxing is the best or worst thing ever in combat sports. For Street MMA, one thing is clear; bare knuckle boxing fans are much more violent than their counterparts.
Here’s the thing, one fan almost murdered another fan at last weekend’s Bare Knuckle Boxing card. Who knows where this beef started, but one’s fan solution was to throw another fan off the second floor balcony.

That’s dedication. You’re just not going to see that at a MMA show.

Respect to the hardcore bare knuckle boxing fans who choose to spend their Saturday night doing whatever this was. There’s only one Saturday night a week. Second level seating plus alcohol plus whatever the hell BKB is doing as a sport, fights in the stands were the only outcome here.

As for this Street fight? Holy hell, this is good ole fashioned chaos. Props to the state of Mississippi for not play around here. Just a full on brawl. Then right when you think it was all going to stop, fans from the first level try to climb to the second level to get them some.

This was a straight out of World War Z move by fans on level one.

Bold strategy.

Climbing up a rail using two hands while fans from the second level rain down punches on your unprotected head. MiddleEasy will forever and always be Team Second Level.

Exceot for that dude in the red, he’s off the squad. For the man who tried to toss guy in the red shirt to his death? You are now the President of Team Second Level, thank you sir; please don’t attempt to murder us.

I think I'd enjoy watching a bare knuckle fight live. :)