How much should a person stick, in WC?

[S.Teebas]

Same as heading.

[whippinghand]

Stick to what?

[Ish]

<------This Much------>

[fmann]

Actually it might be a little less than what Ish said. If there is no resistance, go in.

[bao]

as long it takes for them. for some people a life time and others about 10 seminars...

[S.Teebas]

...sticking hands! (aka chi sau)

[whippinghand]

What exactly are you asking? How lond should someone chi sau?

[Sharky]

i think he means how much pressure do you apply upon bridging with the opponent (and how much pressure do you apply to stick with them), whippy.

All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.

[mun hung]

The entire time.

[fei_jai]

I think what S.Teebas means is how much do we stick to the hands.

As in, if we stick too much, we end up chasing the hands. If we stick too little, we lack the control of the hands. So, how do we tell if we're sticking too much, or too little?

I think it's a good question.

Buggered if i know the answer too.

[CLOUD ONE]

Same as heading.

[Martial Joe]

Mun Hung has it...

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I am Sharky's main man...

[whippinghand]

in chi sau?

[S.Teebas]

...when ever we need to.

[Sharky]

annoying isn't it, whippy?

All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.

[whippinghand]

No, not really.... Nice try though.

Perhaps some "growing up" is in order, Sharky?

[Sharky]

yes, and perhaps not.

All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.

[whippinghand]

exactly....

[Martial Joe]

Cheese...

I think I enjoy this place to much...how about you guys?

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I am Sharky's main man...

[CLOUD ONE]

:D

[S.Teebas]

:D

Ok, i wasn't trying to do a WH on you guys!! I will try this one again.

When ever we need to stick, as in pressure, as in when our bridge meets our opponent or training partners arms (before we get to their body - as this is were our intent is going).... when an obstical is met and we are employing our chi sau skills to re-direct, or to find a better structure to attack with: What are your ideas behind the 'sticky' attributte our body takes on upon this transition on contact before the strike?? (while we stick then change the angle of attack to favour ourselfs)

Do you think about this much, is it important? How do you know how much to stick?


S.Teebas

[saulauchung]

Teebas,

The idea of changing the angle of attack was mentioned in an edition of Combat magazine. The article featured Sifu Ng Chun Hong of Hong Kong titled "Can you cut the angle".

"Chi sau or sticky hands which is an exercise performed by a pair of practitioners in which each person completes or initiates a technique completed or initiated by his or her training partner. It is the objective of this drill to cultivate this elastic or spring like force which will enable you to become the other half of your opponent. Being able to read his or her every intention will aid you in the efficient exploitation of your opponents weaknesses.

Can you cut the angle?" Sifu Ng asks.

The angle or angles referred to are made by the joints in your own arms or at a point where your arm touches or crosses your opponents, this is what the experienced practitioner seeks. It is at these joints and crossing points that you can attack, defend or control. To "Cut" the angle simply means to simultaneously attack and deflect, and sometimes destroy your opponents structure with a single action."

Full article at: http://www.wingchun.hk.com/Article,%20Sifu%20NG%20Chun-hong.htm

Teebas, is this what you are enquiring about?

:cool:

[whippinghand]

"How do you know how much to stick?"

Your opponent tells you...

[cobra]

Like a 3M sticky note

Train Harder!!!!!

[vingtsunstudent]

this is where chi saoing with as many different people as possible comes in to it.
as everybody is different your body with time will learn to 'feel' the different types of pressure & adjust accordingly.
hopefully when it comes time to fight, your body will just adjust accordingly to your opponent without you even having to think.
vts
ps although chi sao is not fighting it can teach you alot more about fighting than just learning to deal with someone once initial contact or your arms have become tied up than most people understand.

[wingchunalex]

the question is a little vague, but you stick by using forward pressure. and on when you stick. "stay with what comes, follow what goes, thrust forward when your hand is free"

know yourself don't show yourself, think well of yorself don't tell of yourself. lao tzu

[S.Teebas]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> but you stick by using forward pressure [/quote]

How much pressure? How do you how much is too much, how do you know if it is too little?


S.Teebas

[whippinghand]

Your opponent tells you.

[S.Teebas]

lol.. your a funny guy WH

[jesper]

Actually Whipping hand gives you the only answer possible.
You cant sit here and tell how much pressure to use, it all depends on your opponent.

[whippinghand]

I need to cut back on my words.

[This message was edited by Sihing73 on 11-22-01 at 06:28 AM.]