occupying the centerline

[whippinghand]

What do you think that means?

[Kung Lek]

3rd rail shock? :D

dominating.

opening the most available targets with the least amount of effort.

being in the right place at the right time.

feildgoal if you kicker is good :D

peace

Kung Lek

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[Sharky]

being in the right (or most favourable) place at the right time, so your opponent cannot be there.

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Sharky, I should expect this level of immaturity from you after seeing your post titled "Hm." regarding the woman that lives next door to you. I think everyone who unfortuneatly read that post is a bit more ignorant now for doing so. - Spectre

All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.

[S.Teebas]

...exactly what it says.

S.Teebas

[Martial Joe]

Lets see here...

If you ocupie a toilet it means your using it...

So your using the centerline...or taking it...

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[Sharky]

**** it s teebass.

i'm gonna have to start answering whipping hand in the same manner he asks his questions too.

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What we really need is chicks with a whole new kinda orifice - Fish

Sharky, I should expect this level of immaturity from you after seeing your post titled "Hm." regarding the woman that lives next door to you. I think everyone who unfortuneatly read that post is a bit more ignorant now for doing so. - Spectre

All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.

[whippinghand]

What does that mean?

[Martial Joe]

It means what it says... :D

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[Spectre]

Using the centreline...
The opponents central axis is always in the same place regardless of our position whether it be straight on or from the side, etc.. By keeping our centreline square to the opponent's central axis we are always able to control the opponent.

Taking the centreline...
Take control of the centreline and dominate the opponent by destabilizing his base therefore eliminating his stability and ability to effectively strike back. Attack through to the opponent's central axis where power and stability are stored. Most attackers do not attack directly on or to the centre so many opponent's are not used to defending this kind of attack.

My opinion of course...I am not sure if this is the type of answer being looked for or not.

Kevin

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Continued blessings in your life and your training.

The key to understanding is to open your mind and your heart and then the eyes will follow.

[Martial Joe]

Thanks...now I dont have to type...

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[whippinghand]

I know that won't last for too long, since you're the type of person that needs to show off how much he knows.

[old jong]

I think Martial Joe is more the kind of person who likes to share what he knows.

Les paroles s'envolent.
Les écrits restent!...

[Vankuen]

I have a feeling you try to let on to everyone else the same thing by not giving out information or giving out just enough to have someone believe that you know what youre talking about; but seeing as how you never give a straight answer, I highly doubt it...not to mention you're a pr1ck about it too.

But to each their own. You're intentions were good with this thread but as usual your winning personality screwed it all up.

Here's a thought, and maybe its just me, but why dont you try to be a little more like the other more educated people in here, and actually try helping someone instead of criticizing their every comment.

"From one thing know ten thousand" - Miyomato Musashi, Book of five rings

[This message was edited by Vankuen on 11-19-01 at 05:32 PM.]

[Martial Joe]

Thanks Jong...


Whipping Hand...what are you talking about?

Give me an example of me showing off...

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[Kung Lek]

well, your knee length shorts for a start :D

hahahahahahaha, kidding...kidding.


peace

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[Martial Joe]

hey those are awsome!

Leave me alone...

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[whippinghand]

Allow me to return the favor with a thought for YOU Vankuen.

Why don't you pick a style, any style, stick with it, and be as proficient as realistically possible, considering the obvious limitations that you have, in ONE thing, instead of a wanna-be-everybody-else-but-need-to-establish-my-individuality-by-creating-my-own-style martial artist.

[whippinghand]

You know what I'm talking about, or you wouldn't be asking.

[reysem]

The centerline is the line between your central axis (sometimes called the motherline) and your opponent's. Therefore, the centerline is the shortest distance between you and your opponent. If you occupy this centerline, your offensive strikes will travel a shorter route than your opponent's. On the other hand, your opponent's strikes will travel a less direct route because he does not occupy the centerline.

[S.Teebas]

Whipping hand is also a psychologist! :D

S.Teebas

[whippinghand]

What do you think of WingMan's statement?

[Martial Joe]

No, if I knew I wouldnt have a reason to ask...

I didnt know hence I asked you...

So whats the answer?

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[Martial Joe]

Btw when you said this...

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> I know that won't last for too long, since you're the type of person that needs to show off how much he knows. [/quote]


You said I know that wont last for too long.

What does that mean.
That is what puzzled me...

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[joy chaudhuri]

yuenfan

What do you think of WingMan's statement?
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Sounds very very familar. I say the same thing-
based on my foundations in my lineage (Augustine Fong-Ho kam ming-Yip Man)in my 1995 article
entitled "Defending the Motherline;Wing Chun's sil lim tao" in the Journal of Asian martial Arts.
Vol.4, no 4 and other follow up articles in Inside
Kung Fu(first special issue on wing chun-on the bot jam do) and Kungfu-qigong(current Novemeber/Dec issue)dealing with using bong, tan and fok in chi sao and controlling the line.

[reysem]

Yes, you are right yuan fen. When Whipping Hand asked about what is meant by occupying the centerline, I immediately remembered this article. This is a very interesting article. I must say that this is a "must read" for all wing chun beginners. It explains the basic theory of wing chun.

[joy chaudhuri]

Best wishes.

[Sharky]

"Therefore, the centerline is the shortest distance between you and your opponent"

What if there is a limb that is closer to you than the opponents centre line? Do you just ignore it? It is not ALWAYS favourable to strike on the centreline, some people get over involved in the centreline and forget everything else. It is what it is; and it isn't everything.

Sheesh sorry that sounds a bit anal, but there you go.

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What we really need is chicks with a whole new kinda orifice - Fish

Sharky, I should expect this level of immaturity from you after seeing your post titled "Hm." regarding the woman that lives next door to you. I think everyone who unfortuneatly read that post is a bit more ignorant now for doing so. - Spectre

All i wanted was some RICE CAKES! Now? WE MUST BATTLE.

[reysem]

If your opponent's limb occuppies the centerline, then attack it. His limb provides a bridge between you and your opponent.

[joy chaudhuri]

has it right. Also depending on context you can attack and defend at the same time- tan da, pak da
etc.The bridge is connected to the castle..use the bridge.

[whippinghand]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by yuan fen:
The bridge is connected to the castle..use the bridge.[/quote]

That's funny. I'll have to use that analogy.

[Martial Joe]

Answer please...

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[reysem]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>The bridge is connected to the castle..use the bridge.
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[/quote]

Most castles have drawbridges which can be raised or lowered. The bridge is the centerline which connects you and your opponent (castle). If your opponent's limbs occupy the centerline, you have the following options:

Option#1:
Use the bridge to attack your opponent.
If the "drawbridge" is lowered, your "troops" can use it to storm the "castle". When you make contact with the opponent's bridge, control it and look for an openning. Once an openning is found, attack the "castle".

Option#2:
Destroy the bridge.
The enemy can also use the drawbridge to attack you. To prevent him from doing so, destroy the bridge. This is the time you attack the opponent's limbs.

Option#3
Make your own bridge.
If the opponent doesn't offer his bridge to you (the drawbridge is raised), make your own bridge. Just like in the movies, soldiers prop ladders against the castle walls and climb the ladders. If the opponent refuses to make contact, move in and make contact.

I don't know if this is what yuan fen meant by his quote. This is just my opinion. I'm interested in what he has to say.

[joy chaudhuri]

pretty good anlysis of the analogy.There is more but I dont want to bore the list. I had no idea that there was wing chun in Cebu city!
Best wishes, Joy.
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[whippinghand]

What is the question?

[Martial Joe]

quote:
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I know that won't last for too long, since you're the type of person that needs to show off how much he knows.
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You said I know that wont last for too long.

What does that mean.
That is what puzzled me...

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[whippinghand]

It means what it says.

[Martial Joe]

Your being an idiot...

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[Martial Joe]

"that" =?


What it says does not answer what I asked...

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[whippinghand]

What's the question, again?

[Martial Joe]

Now your just being silly...

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[whippinghand]

huh?