Plans for a free standing wooden dummy

[Kiwiexpat]

Hi All, I'm wondering if anyone could comment on making a free standing frame for a WD ? Anyone got plans, or experience with differnet styles of frame ? I'm living in a 1919 wooden house & the walls won't take the impact from a dumm (made of lathe & plaster & tend to be very fragile). I'm also not too keen on bolting anything to the floor as they're nice polsihed floorboards & besides, it's my house & I soenbt to mcuh time & money on the floor to now start drilling holes in the **** thing !
Cheers
Mark

[curtis]

frind are you looking to make a good stand or buy one? I find makeing a free standing base is quite easy to make. I use a old car/small truck tire. I put plywood inside the tire,(screw though the tire into the ply.) mount a wooden pole( or a steel one with a flange) to the plywood,make it solid.
Then add ready mix concreat into the tire,200lbs to 240lbs is what it takes to fill a small tire.
for a way to conect the dummy I like two ways,eather make two stands and conect then with bars and have the dummy ride on those bars.Or drill though to dummy and put two all thread rods through the body(1/2" will do)and then place punch press springs beween the dummy and pole,(over the all thread rod) this gives the dummy a nice feel, solid but with a slight give.
the concreat in the tire dose two things. First its round so you can move it easy by roleing,and secondly the rubber will not slide and will not mark up those wood floors of yours.
"O" one more thing. the car tire you can pick up at any tire place FREE of charge, and ready mix is cheap,you can make a single stand for $30 or less.
good luck C.A.G.
P.S. If you want to make your own dummy I have some tricks to do that too. :) C.A.G.

[Ish]

hi curtis, me and my brother are going to make a dummy to share and if it goes well mabe one eace so i would be very interested to hear the tricks you have.

[chi-kwai]

in case anyone wants this...

dummy1 (http://www.dumb.org/pics/wc/dummy1.gif) dummy2 (http://www.dumb.org/pics/wc/dummy2.gif) dummy 3 (http://www.dumb.org/pics/wc/dummy1.gif)

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chi kwai

[curtis]

Hello Ish and ChiKwan
ChiKwan think you for those blueprints. They are good for traditional mook jong, although I find the measurements to be to small for me. I was taught that a mook jong should be a personalized training partner. So all of the measurements should be taken from your body not from a blueprint.
All of the measurements start from the lower arm. The arms placement on the dummy should be approximately goang soa level (just above the hip and below the solar plexus.)
From the lower arm to the lower upper arm should be the distance from your elbow to bent palm. (Like a fook soa.)
The upper arm should be exactly one full arm diameter above the lower arm.
The two upper arms to should be drilled so that each arm angle is the equivalent to your inner shoulder crease (or at least inside your perimeter line.)
one more thing that gap (space between the two arms) should be one fist between the two arms at its base.

Just a few more things.
The upper arm (which one is higher ) depends on which is your dominant side (left or right-handed)
and when I make arms, I only use hardwoods, like oak, hard maple, ash, maple... And do not make the tendon diameter any smaller than 1 1/2" or you will probably break the arms. (Overtime) I prefer a tapered arm (3 in. tapering down to 1 3/4") the straight arms work too.
And to anchor the arms in the body. I find hose clamps to work better, then drilling and pining the arms in place.
Good luck. A mook jong is a lot of work to make, but is well worth it.
Sincerely C.A.G.

[Kiwiexpat]

Curtis, thanks for the idea about the tyres. I've already got a dummy, so it's just the free stand I require. I was going to make my own dummy, but with training, full time work, a pregnant wife (who had our first child 3 weeks ago), renovating the bathroom, & general repairs & maintenance on a 80 yr old house I ended up buying one as I wouldn't have got it made until my sons 21st (21 yrs away %-).
Follow up question - Do you find that the tyres protrude into your footwork area at all or do you mount the poles off-skew from the centre of the tyres i.e. towards the front ?
P.S. **** cheap, I've got sand, cement, & grave, + a bag of readymix sitting in my shed. There's 18mm chipboard stored in the attic, I shouldn't even have to buy the screws !!!
Thanks again
Mark

[Jeff Liboiron]

I also have a question about this. I made myself a wooden dummy, and cemented it into the ground in my backyard, but i was wanting to make another dummy for myself out of PCV pipe. I was wondering if you guys had any advice on how to make a stand for it, so it would be portable.

The object is not to hurt someone else, but to stop them from hurting you

[ghoyd]

You can also wrap the base of the mook in plastic (like people use to cover windows in the winter). Then find a base. This can be a large planter, 5 gallon bucket, etc.. Then place the mook in the base and pour a bag of concrete around the mook. USE THE WHOLE 80 LB. BAG!

When it dries, you pull the mook out, take the plastic off, and reinsert the mook. Now you can tear it down for potability very easily.

To add stability, you can cut 2 slots in the bottom of the base (diagonally out the back). Slide 2x4s in these slots before pouring the concrete. You can adjust the length as you see fit. Again, you can even wrap the 2x4s in plastic so they are able to slide out later too. This makes it easier to tear down and store.

Here is a pic of the first one we did. Pay no attention to the funky leg. We have changed it so it is correct now. At the time, we just stuck a couple pieces together for the pic.

Again this was our roughest version! We have since made lots of changes, so don't laugh,,, LOL

http://www.geocities.com/ghoyd/library/mook.htm

Gary Hoyd
http://www.geocities.com/ghoyd/
MIDWESTERN JUN FAN FIGHTING ALLIANCE

[Jeff Liboiron]

hey Gary, what was the diameter of the post that you used for that dummy?

The object is not to hurt someone else, but to stop them from hurting you

[Mokujin]

Hello All-

I'm building my second dummy out of a thick PVC pipe (9 inches). I've spent more time measuring than cutting! I went ahead and threw together some of the research I did into my yahoo photo album.

I'm not sure if you can view it when I'm offline or if you need to be a Yahoo member or not, but it should work. Let me know!

My Yahoo Profile - here! (http://profiles.yahoo.com/hacker_jones02)

My Yahoo Photo Album - here! (http://briefcase.yahoo.com/bc/hacker_jones02/lst?&.dir=/&.src=bc&.view=t)

Also, I found a new wooden dummy site- I'm interested in reading Old Jong's and Iron Fist's opinion on it. Check it out HERE. (http://www.urbandummy.com/)

Peace!
:D
Mokujin

"He's on the jazz."

[Kiwiexpat]

Ghoyd,
Nice idea with the bucket & the cement, thanks for teh info. Given that all the support is at the base in the centre, how well does it hold up under heavy pressure exerted on the arms i.e. one thing I'm working on is improving the speed of changing my fook from on top of the opponents arm via huen sao to a forward/upward palm strike on the opponents elbow from underneath (normally using it in chisao & they're in Tan, I'm starting in Fook. Something like this exerts a lot of force forwards & up into the dummy (even when doing it gently as it doesn't require much force if done with good speed & timing).

I might try with a bucket & sand to start off with, then go the cement. If it works well it'll be the simplest stand I've ever seen ! Maybe their's a WCism in there. :) Thanks once again, you've saved me a few hours of trying to imitate a carpenter & realising why I'm an IT geek !

[Kiwiexpat]

P.S. Chi Kwai, thanks for the plans link, thre's some good plans out there !

[IronFist]

Mokujin: The Urban dummy looks pretty crappy for the price. First of all, it's FLAT in the front. Why would anyone want a flat dummy? Beats me :) Second the arms look to skinny and the leg too fat. But it might just be the picture.

Guys, for anyone making a PVC bodied dummy, let me tell you this: Finding the PVC (8" inner diameter schedule 80 (i think, it might be schedule 40... get whichever of the two is THICKER) ) is the hardest part. It took me like 2 months to track down someone who had a PVC pipe that thick.

Ghoyd: How did you get round holes in a PVC pipe? Just curious.

Everyone else: I used a PVC pipe and cut square holes in it to fit the arms and leg I bought from www.wooddummy.com (http://www.wooddummy.com) (Asheville Woodcrafters). Very good products.

Iron

"Now why the **** would you censor "d.ork?"

Ironman PostLog: 1100 - 11/20/01

[ghoyd]

The inside diameter of the PVC I used is 6.5". (The outside is bigger.


To get the round holes, you can use a hole saw or a paddle bit.

Gary Hoyd
http://www.geocities.com/ghoyd/
MIDWESTERN JUN FAN FIGHTING ALLIANCE