the monk who trains Wu Tang Clan (rapers) [Archive]

Shaolin

10-03-2001, 10:20 AM

I have trained with Shi Yan Ming and I don't mean to sound defensive. Master Ming is a real bonified Shaolin warrior monk who has won numerous temple awards. As far as his training he teaches traditional Shaolin wushu, the reason the drills he does look so foofooy is for strengthening, flexibility, balance, coordination, and agility. Why doesn't he act like a monk? There is more to being a shaolin monk than chanting and eating rice all day. Yes he has rapper student/friends, yes he drinks bottled water, yes his school brings in alot of money, but he's still a monk. You probably won't catch him eating meat none of us have, he still teaches buddism and goes to temple, he's compationit outside of training and hard core during class.

Wongsifu

10-03-2001, 11:21 AM

from what the teachers personal history is i wouldnt wipe my ass with him , the guy defected from the rest of the "shaolin monks " when they had their first a wushu demo in the usa, you know the one they do every year nowadays , they do one in britain also called the wheel of life where they break bricks on their gonads and stuff :eek:
its bad enough the guy has defected but the last picture i saw with him the guy is wearing rapper style clothing with 3 beotches around him and waving a wad of cash ... um yeah a chinese version of ALI G for ****s sake...

ope i'd really liek to see why youre not impressed with his kung fu ... what demo did you se ????

I wongsifu shall strike fear into the hearts of trolls and mma guys who **** me off on these forums oh and in real life.

David

10-03-2001, 11:52 AM

Rappers are famous for their humility, and service to mankind. Why shouldn't they hang out with a Monk (TM). :rolleyes:

The powers of Kung Fu never fail!
-- Hong Kong Phooey

David

10-03-2001, 11:54 AM

Rappers are famous for their humility, and service to mankind. Why shouldn't they hang out with a Monk (TM). :rolleyes:

For some reason I bought their video "Da mystery of Kung Fu" a while ago. It is complete sh!t. Inaudible commentary being almost a saving grace. I intend to throw it out in my clearout this week.

The powers of Kung Fu never fail!
-- Hong Kong Phooey

Dragon Warrior

10-03-2001, 01:50 PM

first of all, wu tang clan doesnt train with shi yan ming. Only a couple of it's members do, i think rza and ghost. and rza only does internal training now.

The wu tang clan and associates are some of the best musicians of our time. If you listen to their music consistantly, you will know that. They rap about humility, compasion, knowledge wisdom and understanding, etc. There is no reason to look down at shi yan ming for being friends with them.

but anyway, shi yan ming is definetely not a joke. This guy is for real. He used to do seminars at our school and he was amazing. I have never seen kicks that fast in my life. He could literally kill somebody with one kick. How can you doubt the monks when they train 8hrs a day, everyday, and you train maybe 8hrs a week.

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Wongsifu

10-03-2001, 01:59 PM

i dont doubt the mans ability as a martial artist i just think that he is a good example of what not to be , he loves his money his beotches his fame and he defected from the people, hmmm now that is somebody who shows us what martial arts is all about .

I read an interview with the rza and apparently he sounds like a nice guy when he was talking about when he went back to china to visit the temple etc etc...

About wu tag clan being some of the bests muscicians of our time , i beg to differ, THey are good but nowhere near the best.

I must admit i love their original 36 chambers album...

I wongsifu shall strike fear into the hearts of trolls and mma guys who **** me off on these forums oh and in real life.

BAI HE

10-03-2001, 03:30 PM

"he defected from the people"

Most of the Chinese Sifu in the U.S. did the same thing. Who would want to live under the Government of the PRC.

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shaolinboxer

10-03-2001, 03:38 PM

I trained with Yan Ming for a while and served on his traveling demo/fighting team.

Yes, he does do a lot of wushu and he's quite good at it...and yes he teaches free sparring which can be used for San Shou...and yes he eats red meat drinks alchohol...and yes he is financially successful...and he really is incredible strong and fast. Although I would not recommend studying with him, there is no doubt in my mind that he has a hell of a lot of chi and is a great martial artist in his own way.

I detailed some of my experinces with him in the Shaolin Kung Fu forum if anyone is interested.

"She ain't got no muscles in her teeth."
- Cat

ope

10-03-2001, 04:49 PM

i saw him as a guest on a show and he was asked to demonstrate his ability and some of his kungfu.. it looked like a bunch of wushu over exgrated kicks etc.. i guess he was nervous or overly excited cause he tryed to do a double front kick and failed miseribly.. i know we are all human and we make mistakes and i dont have any doubts about his ability im sure hes a great athlete but i was wondering if hes much of a fighter.. and yes i also heard he eats red meats and drinks alcohol..i was just curious because usualy monks that act this way were kicked out of the monastery and are not allowed to come back..

wisdom mind

10-03-2001, 05:20 PM

They rap about humility, compasion, knowledge wisdom and understanding, etc.

they also rap about getting girls to cheat on their mans and about selling crack and murdering people for money for organized crime syndicates. shallah raekwon the chef and ghostface are most prolific on this if you need reference.

yin yang goes both ways.

Shaolindynasty

10-03-2001, 05:37 PM

About Rappers, they are like actors the stuff they talk about in their music isn't always reflective of themselves. The Gangsta personality sells and alot of rappers liked those classic movies that I am sure people here would consider there favorites like the godfather, scarface etc. Would you say that the actors in these movies are not worthy of learning Kungfu? Also what makes any of you beleive you are worthy?

About Yan Ming I post about this all the time I think he is excellent. No one here has the right to condem him for eating meat or drinking wine(which are both "legal" for warrior monks at shaolin)I am sure most of you like to have a beer and a big steak. Looking down on him for defecting is stupid how do you think most of your sifu's got here today?

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nightair

10-03-2001, 05:54 PM

what is the differnce between rappers and rockers?
they are all musicians. People need to look at music as a whole not the different genres.I play guitar and study kung-fu there is nothing wrong with that.Miyamoto Musashi said,"to study the sword study the guitar...".Wu tang clan may not be roll models but who is in the music industry?
People need to stop being close minded and just worry about things that really matter. :)

Stranger

10-03-2001, 05:54 PM

Wongsifu,
What is wrong with defecting?

Shaolindynasty,

I don't know in the case of the Wutang Clan, but the difference between the actors in the mafia movies you mentioned and Gangsta Rappers is that some members of the latter group don't drop character when they are not performing, and conduct themselves like real thugs. If it is just a character you play to make money, what is with all the VERY REAL guns, brawls, feuds, welfare fraud(Flava Flave) etc.

I know these incidents represent only a small number of rap stars, but when the rap community embraces the bad and the good, it makes it more difficult for an outsider to spot the mere characters from the thugs. Plus there is a tendency among the "characters" to deny they are posers out of fear of losing their street credibility.

There are criminals in all crouds, all styles, all scenes. I'm not putting all the bad press to rap. I was just trying to explain where some of the lines between image and reality are blurred.

I don't get mad.
I get stabby.

Shaolindynasty

10-03-2001, 06:14 PM

Yeah but as you said there are shady characters in all facets of life. What people need to realise is that most rappers come from innercity life compare that to some hong kong sifu's or kungfu practitioners. What about the triads? They are ruthless gangsters they practice kungfu, I think people need to get out of their karate kid david carradine fantasy and see kungfu for what it can be. If you chose to be "evil" or you chose to be "good" you still will have a place somewhere in the martial arts. I won't lie somtimes I do or have done pretty shady stuff kungfu made me smarter(or maybe got smarter from getting older)I cheat on my taxes, I drive with no license and a couple of years ago I used to break into cars. Kungfu didn't teach me to be more Moral in character but it takes up all my time and gave me some direction. Some teachers are saints and that is good but don't condem those who aren't cause it's only a matter of perspective.

one last point
"what is with all the VERY REAL guns, brawls, feuds, welfare fraud(Flava Flave) etc."

Guns Brawls and Fueds are all in martial arts to, we beat the crap out of each other more than any other "group" in exsistance. Guns? Well martial artists used to use swords. If you look back at the stories about martial heroes, Mussashi was mentioned above, he probally killed hundreds of people in duels but we have some twisted mentality that things like this are ok for us but if anybody else does it they are evil.Matter of perspective

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origenx

10-03-2001, 06:30 PM

Say, I heard something about the particular orange color that Shaolin monks wear that's supposed to attract a particular auric energy or something. Is that why their uniforms are that color - was it intentional? Anyone ever heard of this? http://www.usashaolintemple.com/photos.html

Also, does anyone (Lyle?) here know if Shi Yan Ming lifts weights? Or what his workout program entails? I'm curious cuz he looks pretty ripped and buff from those pics - but pumping iron is not a traditional part of kung-fu training.

TaoBoxer

10-03-2001, 06:49 PM

I like Wu Tang.....but the fact of the matter is they do not represent what I want my students or peers to be. I do not want someone like that on TV saying "I study Ba Gua under Bill...." no matter how much it makes me. In a traditional school, they'd be doing Universal post for 5 yrs or untill they quit.

As for the monk "defecting" from China..... Good. Soccer players, baseball players and MiG pilots leave communist countries...why not a religous man? That being said.....Tell me exactly where his "shaolin" came from. There was no Shaolin temple for centures....when was this one built? Where did the monks come from? Are they affiliated with the puppet (fake) dalai lama that china recognizes? When were their forms created, and by who?

The shaolin teple is a joke...it is a total tourist trap teaching government sanctioned Wu Shu. you can even BUY a brick with your name on it that goes in a sidewalk someplace. I am sure the NYC monk is a bad-ass and a hell of a lot better than I am at what he does..... but as for being 33rd generation or whatever....I am not buying it.

diego

10-03-2001, 06:52 PM

david i dont know if you have lame sarcasm or your a ignant neckred who has seecret fetishes with chinese martial arts
but dr.dre just donated a million to the survivors of the wtc and many more did to i can give you the article if you like.

"I finish the job with a tiger claw into the throat. Remember guys'INSERT CORNY WHITEBOY VOICE' use extreme violence against your opponents always, that will discourage them from hurting other people" kungfu site technique sec.VS?."...

Kung Lek

10-03-2001, 07:02 PM

rap music is for the most part about the anger expressed by those who are disenfranchised and left out of mainstream society.

quite a lot of it is poseur crap comin from "wannabe cool" suburban idiots.

The original expressions were a good wake up call for the rest of mainstream society to see what was goin on in teh pj's and inner cities across north america.

nowadays, they are all a bunch of record company sell outs just pumping you for cash so they can ride their rides and laugh at all the kids who buy their message.

However, Lauren Hill Rocks the house and has more talent in her little finger than most of the rap poseur dudes out there. Wyclef does some cool stuff too.

peace

Kung Lek

Ford Prefect

10-03-2001, 07:05 PM

Rapers would be better off cross training in wrestling and brazilian jiu-jitsu.

Chang Style Novice

10-03-2001, 07:15 PM

"nowadays, they are all a bunch of record company sell outs just pumping you for cash so they can ride their rides and laugh at all the kids who buy their message."

Not all. There are quite a few who do it for the art. Of course, they aren't blingin' on MTV and BET with a bunch of ice, platinum, champagne, and groupies.

A friend of mine in the magazine biz is going to send me a burn of Qtips new (now cancelled) album; apparently it's a lot more soul/jazz oriented than even his material with ATCQ. I can hardly wait!

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origenx

10-03-2001, 07:17 PM

Aaah, only suburban soccer kids romanticize the ghetto and buy into ghetto politics. I love(d) rap, but frankly most of the lyrics and politics are hypocritical, self-contradictory lame excuses.

If many immigrants can come here, work hard, learn the language, keep strong family units and not pump out babies, stay off welfare and rise up in a generation or less, then why can't all these "disenfranchised" ghetto rats who have been here for generations?

Umm, maybe cuz they pump out too many babies with no dads around and are too busy thuggin, hustlin and pimpin for $150 sneaks, ice, dope and b*tches. Is that "profiling?" Well if it is, then it's largely cuz these rappers have done such an excellent job "profiling" themselves on every CD they sell.

That said, I am still a huge Tupac fan strictly cuz I love his music!

Dragon Warrior

10-03-2001, 07:21 PM

If you don't listen to wu tang and their associate groups, you have no right to criticize their music. Also, you cannot judge them if you have only listened to one or two songs, or even one albulm. Rza is an amazing musician. Most people don't understand his music and he doesnt have a good rep right now in the rap community. But that is only because he writes what he feels, instead of what the society wants to hear. Download the song "sunshower" by rza if you want to hear what i am talking about.

For years, religion did nothing but divide. (killa priest)

Religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom. (killa priest)

Mr. Nemo

10-03-2001, 09:19 PM

The following rappers have their music played on MTV and have talent:

wu-tang
redman
eminem, snoop, xzibit, dre (more talent as a producer than as a rapper)
dmx
wyclef jean, fugees
lauryn hill
the old jay-z (I don't much like the new jay-z)
rockwilder
others I left out

The following rappers generally don't have their music played on MTV and have talent:

royce da 5'9"
canibus
the alkaholiks
nas (a lot of his more recent stuff has been bad, though)
erik b & rakim
KRS-One
sticky fingaz (get his album, blacktrash. It's really god**mn good)

The following rappers don't have any talent that I can hear:

Almost everyone on no limit (except snoop and mystikal, who I guess isn't on no limit anymore)
Almost everyone from the cash money millionaires
Missy Elliot (really irritates me)
Puff Daddy (he's a talented businessman, I guess, but not much of a rapper or producer)
That guy that sings the "shaniqua" song. That song is horrible.

To be honest, I don't much care for jurassic 5, q-tip, tribe called quest, and the rest of the modern groups that use the old-school style. But I guess those guys have talent too, even if I don't really like their music.

Maybe that'll help clear up which rappers are good and which aren't for those of you who're confused.

[This message was edited by Mr. Nemo on 10-04-01 at 12:46 PM.]

ope

10-03-2001, 09:20 PM

lemme say this im not judging the group or there instructor.. i was just wondering about the monks skills his ability and what possesed him to take on such a task.... i dont hate rap i dont love rap i listen to it sometimes depending on my mood.. it is true that some rappers go to far to make a name for themselfs.. then again im sure people can find examples of "rockers" going to far etc.. me i just like mellow music..to much of anything isnt good for anyone..

diego

10-03-2001, 10:38 PM

To be honest, I don't much care for jurassic 5, q-tip, tribe called quest, and the rest of the modern groups that use the old-school style.

THOSE ARENT my faves but could you tell me why you dont feel modern dudes who use the old style..
this isnt a defense just curious

and SEVENSTAR IF YOU READ THIS HOW COME YOU ARE NOT FEELING GZAS BENEATH THE SURFACE.

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Shaolindynasty

10-03-2001, 10:45 PM

Everyone has different sides to them even monks. I know sometimes I feel like meditateing and being at one with nature, other times I feel like I need to get more money and live rich, other times I feel like I want to kill someone. Every one goes through mood changes on a daily basis even Shaolin Monks(since he left the temple he is considered a layman anyways and can eat meat drink wine and have sex)

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Dragon Warrior

10-03-2001, 11:33 PM

Shi yan ming is not a traditional monk. Monks are NOT supposed to eat meat, drink alcohol, have sex, etc. But that doesnt take away from his abilities. He'll kick anyone's ass on this forum

For years, religion did nothing but divide. (killa priest)

Religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom. (killa priest)

Daniel Madar

10-03-2001, 11:57 PM

Can anyone point me to the pic of Shi Yan Ming with the hunnies, flashing the cash? I'd love to see it.

As for me, NWA, all the way. If you ever get to hear Chuck D speak, take the time and listen. He is an intelligent guy, who really drives home his point.

-D

Merciless is Mercy.

Mr. Nemo

10-04-2001, 12:07 AM

"THOSE ARENT my faves but could you tell me why you dont feel modern dudes who use the old style..
this isnt a defense just curious"

Their rhythms and rhymes just seem outdated to me. The old lyrical style had a real strict meter, and was predictable. The new style uses a varied, unpredictable meter, trickier rhymes and cadences...it just interests me more.

Trying to listen to Chuck D again after you've heard Canibus is kinda like trying to listen to king oliver after you've heard louis armstrong - I just feel like I've heard it so many times before. But a lot of people whose opinions I respect really like jurassic 5 and tribe called quest. I'll just say they don't do it for me. Maybe I don't know how to listen to them.

diego

10-04-2001, 12:18 AM

i learnt dj before mc
so im not just hearing chuck but....

restart

i tend to listen to HIPHOP like im reading a comic book and each rapper is a hero in whatever context pertaining to the genre of whats read,
like i could listen to a country track if its onpoint so its very interesting how we like the same but certian things i like anoys you like 7* said in a old thread he aint feeling gza"beneath the surface" when thats won of my all time classics but everything else we agreed upon

im ranting cant form a complete sentence

ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh.

peace

i prolly cant get open with this cuz its off topic

i like yan ming

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diego

10-04-2001, 12:22 AM

but agian i was in my buddys car and he pumpd jigga and im like cool

krs came on the radio hes like that voice is anoying
im all wtf

i guess im just a more complete human intelligence then most the rest

PEACE.

PS.MAYBE YOU SHOULDNT LISTEN TO CHUCKS PUNCHES BUT TRY TO GET INSIDE HIS HEAD THEN THE PRODUCTION WILL REOPEN FOR YOU..

did for me last year i slept on pe since 91 just got into it agian

"I finish the job with a tiger claw into the throat. Remember guys'INSERT CORNY WHITEBOY VOICE' use extreme violence against your opponents always, that will discourage them from hurting other people" kungfu site technique sec.VS?."...

Chang Style Novice

10-04-2001, 12:26 AM

Kid these days...whyIoughtta...when I was your age we had real music, like De La Soul and Boogie Down Productions...

GET OFF MY LAWN!

(takes metamucil, goes back to watching Matlock)

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diego

10-04-2001, 12:32 AM

thats the lawn track

and what is chialis problem
that was a smily faced kid

you know they say the rap generation of blacks after the 70s is the first american generation to have nastolgia

thats what happened now dudes is all cynical
dontchaknow

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MaFuYee

10-04-2001, 05:05 PM

>Master Ming is a real bonified Shaolin warrior monk who has won numerous temple awards.

... excuse me, but .... BWAHHAAAHAHAHAHHAA!!!!

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MaFuYee

10-04-2001, 05:14 PM

>They rap about humility, compasion, knowledge wisdom and understanding, etc.

ayup ;)
*******
You give me your number, I call you up
you act like ur ***** dont interrupt
I don't have no problem with you ******* me
But I have a little problem wit you not ******* me
Baby you know ima take care of you
Cause you say you got my baby, and I know it ain't true
Is it a good thing? no its bad *****
For good or worse, makes you switch
So I walk on over with my crystal
*****es, niggaz put away your pistols
Dirty wont be having it in this house
Cause ***** I'll cripple your style
Now that you heard my calm voice
You couldn't get another nigga, hoochie wont get moist
If you wana look good and not be bummy, girl you better give me that money
Aooow...

Hey, dirty, baby I got your money
Don't you worry, I said hey.
Baby I got your money...
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Tigerstyle

10-04-2001, 05:45 PM

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>when I was your age we had real music, like De La Soul and Boogie Down Productions[/quote]

LOL! Unfortunately we also had...

Vanilla Ice.

Yup yup. Word to your mother.

ope

10-04-2001, 07:00 PM

i still have the words to ice ice baby memorized..

yes i know...

Tigerstyle

10-04-2001, 09:19 PM

Don't feel bad, ope. You know some KFO members probably owned the album (I know you all remember. You kept it right next to Hammer in your collection.)

NOTE: Tigerstyle is unfortunately not excluded from the above statement.

Jaguar Wong

10-04-2001, 09:49 PM

Tigerstyle is also one of the few people I know that can lip sync with "Vanilla" with a straight face, just because he wants to annoy people.

Jaguar Wong

*edit: He actually raps along like a Kareoki (or is that KareyOkey?) singer. So lip sync was an inacurate statement.

Chang Style Novice

10-04-2001, 09:55 PM

You think Vanilla Ice is bad? What about Limp Bizkit's Fred Durst in the early 90's wishing he was Vanilla Ice (http://www.foofighters.com/av/vanilla_durst_demo.mpg)?

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Tigerstyle

10-04-2001, 10:06 PM

Ch'ang Style Novice,
ROFL! Why doesn't he do that at his concerts? He's good!

Chang Style Novice

10-04-2001, 10:13 PM

Nice haircut on his DJ, too, doncha think? Suddenly, the mullet idea doesn't seem half bad.

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jun_erh

10-04-2001, 10:39 PM

Monks aren't machines. they can do what they want. Defecting to the U.S. is always a good idea. If you live in a country that you have to "defect" from than you need to leave.

jun_erh

10-04-2001, 10:45 PM

I saw Chuck D speak with Conrad Muhammed before his (muhammed's) falling out with Farrakhan. Chuck D came across as unintelligent and a very poor speaker. Krs-one talked for three hours with no notes and made nothing but sense. He clapped and nodded his head to Conrad Muhammed's ****phobic "Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve" remark. This was in 92-3 when both were relatively vital in hip hop

Mr. Nemo

10-04-2001, 10:48 PM

Firstly: that Fred Durst video is fuc*ing hilarious.

Secondly: concerning chuck d and krs-one, otherwise smart people often do very stupid things.

fajinpower

10-05-2001, 08:29 AM

All these mix feeling about Shi Yan Ming, and rappers. Keep it rolling. Is it nice to hear some debates.

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SevenStar

10-05-2001, 10:52 AM

I know you've got to agree that Beneath the surface is nowhere near as tight as Liquid Swords. There are too many skits and a lack of presence of the other Wu members, and the MCs he does have on it (aside from the core Wu members) are sub par. There are some hot tracks on it, but all in all, it ain't that great.

IMO, the hottest *recent* solo Wu release is Raekwon's Immobilarity

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like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

SevenStar

10-05-2001, 10:54 AM

is magic staff a modern wushu form, or is it traditional? I've never seen it (Dragon Warrior, I know you know the form, so hopefully you see this) and I can't find anything about it on the net, other than sentences stating that it's one of shi yan ming's specialties.

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

Dragon Warrior

10-05-2001, 04:10 PM

i think the form is awesome. Whether or not it is a wushu form, i dont know. I guess that depends on the way you do it. I train a traditional system, so i can make the most modern wushu form look traditional. We learned the form from shi yan ming, and i practice it as a fighting form, not wushu.

sevenstar, did you ever get that weight vest, i trained with it in class the other day and my legs are so sore. I had 40lbs in it. It is one of the best investments i have made.

and about beneath the surface. Liquid swords is definetely better, but that is probably because rza produced it. I don't know who produced beneath the surface, but it is still phat, it just doesnt live up to liquid swords. Im still waiting for Rza's cure albulm to come out, i know it's going to be one of the craziest albulms yet.

For years, religion did nothing but divide. (killa priest)

Religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom. (killa priest)

TatewakiKuno

10-05-2001, 05:17 PM

Shigong Ming is amazing. If you've ever seen him or trained with him you know it. He is the real thing and no one should doubt his capabilities. Also he was never a buddhist monk he was a fighting monk. That means that he doesn't have to follow all the rules plus he left the temple and he can do whatever he wants now. Plus Ming is close friends with Wu Tang because he originally started off as their body gaurd.

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fajinpower

10-06-2001, 06:26 AM

I am not trying to offensive about it. But, who is Shigong Ming??????

Xebsball

10-06-2001, 06:41 AM

I think he said like Sigung, that means the teacher of my teacher.

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TatewakiKuno

10-06-2001, 07:36 AM

Yeah thats right

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omegapoint

10-07-2001, 02:33 AM

You uninitiated idiots who think that rap music and the Hip Hop culture is only for Gangsta' wannabes are dead wrong. The original b-boys and girls and the real followers of the Universal Zulu Nation, are an evolutionary step beyond the rest of humanity. They have nothing to do with Snoop and Dre, Mac-10, Ice Cube, Spice-1, Scarface, Master P, Jada Kiss, CMB or any of the other pop music suckers that claim to represent the culture. Hip Hop culture has always been closely associated with MAs especially the Chinese ones, geniuses. Where the hell do you think breakin' and poppin' came from or names like "WuTang"?

Real groups and B-Boys like Dilated Peoples, Jurassic 5 and others most of you ain't gots a clue about (which is good 'cause it would make these artists status quo-like most of you know-nothings) are all about knowledge, peace, human unity, love, and other things that are gonna really change the delta the establishment has tried to perpetuate.

My homeboy Raka "Iriscience" from dilated peoples takes GJJ in Torrance with my best friend DJ G-Wiz from the West Coast Rock Steady Crew. I have been a Zulu warrior for almost 20 years now, and have never stopped training in Shorin or some MA, even back in the 80s when I got all the chix in H.S., because of the DJing, Breaking, and Graffiti skills I acquired with hours of diligent practice a day. Hip Hop was invented for inner city youths to have something to do, rather than watch TV and get involved in knucklehead shiiit.

I guess it helped me. I was a PJ in the AF for 8 years (Special Ops). Got into Medical "Doctor" School (have to clarify that with details for the rest of you aware guys) after getting out of the Air Force 6 years ago, and my brother who is and was a hardcore b-boy is an Orthopedic Spinal Surgeon. Can any of you non-Hip Hop types claim the same? Most real b-boys I know are more cosmopolitan, and knowledgeable of the intricacies of the world "stage" and could school a lot of political scientists on the effects of the wolves on the sheep, and the long term consequences of their actions (see "modern day dilemma").

Remember "Bill and Ted's Excellent Adventure"? Whoever wrote that almost had it right. The thing is the world is being changed by Hip Hop's "ghetto" culture, not some superficial Heavy Metal gayassed music, with no messages or rhythm. Nature abhors that junk, that's why it died and the truth lives on no matter how much pop music and big biz "dopplegang" it. There's no fiction in our script, and we will flip-it each time you think you gots a hint.

Sarcastic remarks only work if you know what your speaking about. Most of you losers thought Hip Hop would die in the 80s and 90s, but that just goes to show what most people know---NATHAN! People I know have known that this New World Order BS was gonna get us all killed or in a big mess. I hope you really understand why things are "changing" in the world like they are. So Nemo, without any depth, when I go out to LA-LA land let's say we get 2 gether for a sparring session. If you're right in your assessment of rap types like Wu-Tang (who btw are legit Zulu Warriors) and other lowly mud people, you should have no prob, as God will be on your side, hahahahah! Watch what you say and where you step--- ya' might slip or get tripped up... Dumbfizzuck..

Mr. Nemo

10-07-2001, 02:46 AM

omegapoint = incoherent

DrunkenMonkey

10-07-2001, 05:59 AM

Mr. Nemo = Anally retentive

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ope

10-07-2001, 07:16 AM

"Zulu Warriors" ?

omegapoint stop smokin crack..

"brother who is and was a hardcore b-boy is an Orthopedic Spinal Surgeon. Can any of you non-Hip Hop types claim the same?"

Your right.. rap music makes you smarter..

GeneChing

10-07-2001, 06:34 PM

I wrote an article on Shi Yanming and RZA - it was the cover story for Kungfu Qigong Aug 99. Additionally I went to Wudangshan with Shi Yanming and RZA in '99, and that story was published on our original ezine, which you can still access at
http://www.kungfumagazine.com/HomePage/eZine/eZine.htm until we update that section (so many things to do on this website...)

Shi Yanming is a very unique and highly controversial (obviously) member of the Shaolin order. But don't let that controversy fool you, he was definately trained at Shaolin and was indoctrinated as a warrior monk. RZA too, shouldn't be underestimated just because he's a rapper. No American has done more for the popularization of martial arts. He is very well read about the martial arts, quite knowledgible, but also a bit of a prankster, as those who know his music understand. You have to read between the lyrics to get the message.

Personally, I find their relationship fascinating. It is such a culture crossover that it causes clashes from observers. People have some many preconceptions about what a shaolin monk and a rap star should be. And that's what Shaolin (and rap) can be about - breaking down those preconceptions. Plus it's cool to have RZA as part of the Shaolin family...

Gene Ching
Asst. Publisher
Kungfu Qigong Magazine & www.KUNGFUmagazine.com (http://www.KUNGFUmagazine.com)

Mr. Nemo

10-07-2001, 08:12 PM

Huh? How am I anally retentive?

Shaolindynasty

10-07-2001, 08:21 PM

Seems we are on the same page on this topic. One funny thing people have a problem with is that Yan Ming has either a picture of them or their symbol on the wall in his meditation room, people get all disgusted. When they learn that they donated the money to build it I wonder if those people feel shame? Alot of rappers not just wutang study martial arts and they actually put the time effort and whatever else anybody would to learn Kungfu. There are way more "corrupt" individuals out there that study Kungfu lay off the rappers. I personally feel RZA is very serious in his study of Kungfu and philosophy so much he took the time from his busy show biz schedule to go to Shaolin AND wudang mountain to learn moren ot physically but spiritually how many people in the MA world do that?

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jun_erh

10-08-2001, 04:39 AM

I wanted to note that it was CHuck D not Krs-one who was onstage w/ Conrad Muhammed and his ****phobic remarks. Krs-one was a different event, my last post didn't make that clear. Also, Omega whatever, Jurassic Five is straight up student union campus frat bull****. Don't make me laugh with that ****.

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origenx

10-08-2001, 03:14 PM

Actually, rap music has already peaked and is on its way out. Personally, I think it died when it's snakeheads - Tupac and Biggie - died. Now you just have a bunch of mediocre crossover hip-pop clowns.

I'm getting into new age music now. Om.

shaolinboxer

10-08-2001, 03:32 PM

I always thought of them as two kids from the ghetto with a common love and ambition, never anything so complicated.

"She ain't got no muscles in her teeth."
- Cat

TatewakiKuno

10-08-2001, 08:23 PM

You go gene! I'm glad some people understand what the real deal is

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Mr. Nemo

10-08-2001, 09:14 PM

Good post by GeneChing.

"Actually, rap music has already peaked and is on its way out. Personally, I think it died when it's snakeheads - Tupac and Biggie - died. Now you just have a bunch of mediocre crossover hip-pop clowns."

The hell it is! Yeah, tupac and biggie were big losses, and it sucks that they got killed, but there are still good rappers out there, lots of them. Who are these mediocre crossover hip-pop clowns?

Shaolindynasty

10-08-2001, 10:05 PM

With all the negativity that surrounded 2Pac he still impressed me with his philosophy. If you listen to his music it may just sound like braging but if you look at some of his interviews you will realise that there are some gems in his songs. I think 2Pac was a taoist and didn't know it! Look at some of his interviews(epecially black jesus) in www.tupac.com (http://www.tupac.com)

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shaolinboxer

10-08-2001, 10:43 PM

"No American has done more for the popularization of martial arts."

Really?

I dunno, man...

"She ain't got no muscles in her teeth."
- Cat

Dragon Warrior

10-09-2001, 07:33 PM

wasnt Bruce Lee an american, im pretty sure he has done just a little more than Rza in promoting martial arts. :rolleyes:

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Religion is like a prison for the seekers of wisdom. (killa priest)

JasBourne

10-09-2001, 07:42 PM

Rap is to Music what Etch-A-Sketch is to Art.

:D

Mr. Nemo

10-09-2001, 08:19 PM

JasBourne is incorrect.

GeneChing

10-09-2001, 08:45 PM

Good point - What I meant was no American has done more for the popularization of martial arts recently. That's a big distinction, but sometimes what's in my head doesn't make it all the way down to the forum (which in most cases, is probably just as well.)
I stand corrected.

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Asst. Publisher
Kungfu Qigong Magazine & www.KUNGFUmagazine.com (http://www.KUNGFUmagazine.com)

NorthernMantis

10-09-2001, 09:49 PM

Yanming left his wife and kids in China

"Always be ready"

"right, that's it!you've insulted me, and you've insulted the shaolin temple!"-Fish of Furry

shaolinboxer

10-09-2001, 10:30 PM

I think Billy Blanks, although we may not like his method, may have brought martial arts to a lot more people than the RZA.

RZA exposed a lot more people to kung fu media, which is not the same.

What do you think?

"She ain't got no muscles in her teeth."
- Cat

TatewakiKuno

10-10-2001, 12:25 AM

I think that this thread has become more a topic on rap vs. other music. What does it matter if he trained some rappers. I say good for them if they want to learn shaolin kung fu. They are still people, they just rap and because they are rappers and not some regular guy they get alot of **** from people. I myself am a fan of all genres of music. I find it best not to discriminate against a whole group because there is good and bad in every group. This also carries over to people.

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joedoe

10-10-2001, 02:40 AM

Mr Nemo is incorrect.

Jasbourne is correct :D

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Watchman

10-10-2001, 02:43 AM

Careful! Don't ressurect the Tupac War. ;)

I'm still struggling with post traumatic stress syndrome from that one. :rolleyes:

Mr. Nemo

10-10-2001, 03:12 AM

Abandit is incorrect on two counts: Jasbourne being correct and me being incorrect.

NorthernMantis

10-10-2001, 03:17 AM

Uhh Gene can you explain the the wife and kid(s)?I"m confused about that if he is original.

"Always be ready"

"right, that's it!you've insulted me, and you've insulted the shaolin temple!"-Fish of Furry

joedoe

10-10-2001, 03:25 AM

Mr Nemo has no taste in music and is incorrect on 3 counts - calling me incorrect twice and being incorrect in the first place :D

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jun_erh

10-10-2001, 03:27 AM

I invented Kung Fu so monks could study better and junk. I think it was a good idea. Now, I've come back to your planet and...I love Britney Spears!!!! :) :( :o :D ;) :p :cool: :rolleyes: :mad: :eek: :confused:

Mr. Nemo

10-10-2001, 03:31 AM

Abandit is incorrect on infinity counts. Double stamp, no erasings.

Fish of Fury

10-10-2001, 04:50 AM

ABandit is correct infinity plus one

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SevenStar

10-10-2001, 05:36 AM

I can't wait for RZA'a new one to drop either. I never got the weight vest. I went to Sports Authority, but they only had a 40lb and wanted $90 for it. I'm gonna get the 80lb one I saw on the web.

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like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

Chang Style Novice

10-10-2001, 06:03 AM

Jasbourne is incorrect if she thinks she wants to get me started on the definitions of art and music... :)

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omegapoint

10-11-2001, 12:53 PM

Mr. Nemo: Hence the phrase "you can't feel me". I understand your dismay though. Oblivion is the commomn residence of a large segment of the population.

jun_erh: Ever hear of the Crash Crew, Furious Five, Treacherous Three or the Cold Crush Brothers?! Harmony isn't limited to down south black frat, booty-based lyrics, or to the recent phenomenon of wannabe gangster, pseudo-pimp egocentricity. If college frat fools are listening to J-5, then I would say at least they're getting a taste of the musical foundation that Rap was built upon. Tell Charlie Toona that his group is fluff. Don't be surprised if you get clocked! Anyway, what the ****k do you know about Hip Hop?

And yes, I said Zulu Warriors.... slowly toppling the Limey-based structure. ZOOM!!!

jun_erh

10-12-2001, 01:36 AM

I know treachorous three from the bottom to the t-o-p, dun. and cold crush, wouldn't you know it, I own a copy of wild style. Pimpin and Gangbangin are part of hip hop too and Charlie Tuna and J5 are the Young MC of our time. Have you ever heard the Fat Boys, I think you'd like them. How about the Beach boys? check out "Chipmunk Punk"

1. Top Billin- Audio 2
2. Dywyk- Gang starr (the best song.)
3. 4th chamber- genius/wutang
4. wrong side of da tracks- Artifacts
5. Anything by Capone n Noriega
6. "Shook Ones pt II" Mobb Deep
7. Paid in Full (12"remix)- Eric B and rakim
8. I got it made- Special Ed
9. mass appeal- Gang starr
10. take it easy- mad lion
11. infamous minded- Prodigy (from Mobb Deep)
12. can't wait-redman
13. Hip Hop Drunkies- Alkoholics w/ ODB
14. KMD- What a Niggy Know ;)