Wing Tsun fight clips

[Ryu]

That last demo got me thinking, and curious.


Does anyone here have a link to a video clip where Wing Tsun is used in a real fight? Is there a recording or mpg somewhere on the net?

Any links would be great.

Ryu

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/powell/123/Imagenes/kenshin.jpg

Rimpleback Pumpernickle Kez Kez Vuy Tranh Yanagasawa Fujikage Fistibuns....
the lost son of the Fistibuns clan...


"One who takes pride in shallow knowledge or understanding is like a monkey who delights in adorning itself with garbage."

[rubthebuddha]

anyone that shows up with anythig about emin and cheung gets hit. :p

-rtb

[Wongsifu]

rubthebuddha did i tell you th eone about the wc guy who fell on the floor and got mounted by the other guy who didnt really manage to hit him properly , i think ive got a link to it :D

This is because THC is not an alkaloid. It does not contain a nitrogen atom, therefore it is a terpenophenolic compound

[Ryu]

Does anyone truly have a link that that fight? :)
Post it if you've got it! Take a chance! You can blame it on me :D

Ryu

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/powell/123/Imagenes/kenshin.jpg

Rimpleback Pumpernickle Kez Kez Vuy Tranh Yanagasawa Fujikage Fistibuns....
the lost son of the Fistibuns clan...


"One who takes pride in shallow knowledge or understanding is like a monkey who delights in adorning itself with garbage."

[Archangel]

You can check out Rezra Nasri (WT) vs Brian Johnston, Scott Baker (WC) vs Jason Delucia and Asbel Cancio (WC) vs Dave Benetau. Those are just the WC guys off the top of my head.

[Wongsifu]

sorry ryu i only know that you can find it on the dynamic wing chun video tape by leung ting and th erest of the tape is pathetic. plus many people of WC say that copy is edited and doesnt show th ewhole thing when william cheung got jumped , oh well i dunno.
The whole thing just looks pathetic it lasts about 4 seconds, so its slowed down at 50% speed so it lasts 8 and the commentary is like , he re we see applicationg of lap sau bong sau .
in actual fact you see one guy falling on top of another guy and the other guy trying to hit him end of story...

This is because THC is not an alkaloid. It does not contain a nitrogen atom, therefore it is a terpenophenolic compound

[rubthebuddha]

the clip on emin's video is just a clip - the parts where emin looks good are on there. i've seen the full (at least, i think it was the full) and the clip, and the full doesn't show any parts where cheung was doing much. it was either draw or emin falling on him.

as far as these clips, i'd like to see them just as much as ryu. anyone know of any?

-rtb

[truewrestler]

lol @ Rezra Nasri, i thought this whole time he was a Greco Roman wrestler who cross trained in WT

video - http://www.sherdog.com/cgi-bin/ufcmatches.pl?ufc11/ufc11_johnston_vs_nazri.zip

[This message was edited by truewrestler on 12-02-01 at 08:15 PM.]

[truewrestler]

do WT guys spar? are there competitions? There must be some somewhere if there are competitions. Is MMA events the only compeitions WT practitioners compete in?

[rogue]

"Does anyone here have a link to a video clip where Wing Tsun is used in a real fight?"

OK Ryu whats going on? You started a brawl over the Rich Mooney clips and now you're starting fights between the WC/VT/WT/ET crowd. Asking a question about WC is like, is like? Well, I don't know what it's like but it's never good! ;)

Signed,
Rogue, Soke and Senior Grandmaster of Southeast American Brazillian Bagua Combat Chi jitsu Kempo Karate Do and Choral Society.

The only tactical principle which is not subject to change; it is, “To use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wounds, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time."

[Ryu]

LOL,
I swear I am innocent in this! I just wanted some clips of respected WT/WC guys because I didn't think that one clip posted was all that bad
(corny as it was with music, etc)

:D
*Richard Nixon hand waving*
I am not a troll!

Ryu

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/powell/123/Imagenes/kenshin.jpg

Rimpleback Pumpernickle Kez Kez Vuy Tranh Yanagasawa Fujikage Fistibuns....
the lost son of the Fistibuns clan...


"One who takes pride in shallow knowledge or understanding is like a monkey who delights in adorning itself with garbage."

[joedoe]

Ryu has turned troll! Sound the alarm!!!! :D

cxxx[]:::::::::::>
You're fu(king up my chi

[Jeff Liboiron]

I wanna see a clip to!! :D

The object is not to hurt someone else, but to stop them from hurting you

- Where's my Mook?

[Ryu]

NOOO! I'm the good guy I tell you!
The good guy!

MUAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHA!

.....must fight troll-like behavior..
....it must be that sinister Dr. Cockswain who is behind this! :mad:

:D
Okay I'm going to bed so as not to cause anymore controversy.

Ryu

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/powell/123/Imagenes/kenshin.jpg

Rimpleback Pumpernickle Kez Kez Vuy Tranh Yanagasawa Fujikage Fistibuns....
the lost son of the Fistibuns clan...


"One who takes pride in shallow knowledge or understanding is like a monkey who delights in adorning itself with garbage."

[Jeff Liboiron]

http://www.templewingchun.com/new/twchome.html

Go here there are some sparring clips, but i haven't watched them yet

The object is not to hurt someone else, but to stop them from hurting you

- Where's my Mook?

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

how many fights has anyone taped or seen taped?

where's my beer?

[rubthebuddha]

some sparring, but it's not usual two people in a mock rink with pads on trying to clock the crap out of each other.

rather, we do A LOT of stuff from lat sau (means unstuck, whereas chi sau would be stuck). it trains us in basic tan/jum/gan/gum/bong/kau/pak reflexes. it starts out very tame and very structured. eventually, it becomes very free. it's meant to train you for everything leading up to chi sau. everything is thrown in, from elbows, hooks, knees, takedows, groundwork, kicks, uppercuts - everything.

to me, it's more realistic, because a lot of sparring i did in other styles did the typical boxing format of combo then step back, combo then step back. i never find that too practical, because i've been in fights before and never did anything happen that way. a couple strikes were thrown and then we were in close or on the ground a-rasslin'. the realism in punch-and-kick-'em sparring was never really there.

it's not perfect, but there's no real way to simulate a fight. you're either fighting with your bum on the line, or you're practicing -- there's no happy medium. at least with this training, anything goes. we're plenty padded of course, and it's quite controlled, but we don't throw a couple strikes and back off like so many other styles i've done train you to do. as a feeder who's going at someone, you attack and keep attacking until you're pretty **** sure that those elbows to the back of your head would have gotten you. and as someone defending yourself, you keep on elbowing them (nicely, of course, if there is a nice way to elbow someone's head) until you know **** well that you've thrown enough elbows.

like i said, it's not perfect, but it's one piece in our training that helps prepare us for the hopefully never-to-happen.

-rtb

[rubthebuddha]

and it's not the only thing we do that's relevant to sparring, but it's one of the biggest.

-rtb

[LEGEND]

Nice...that site was where I trained at.

A

[rogue]

Using phrases like "respected WT/WC guys"?

Ain't trolling my grandma's wrinkly old butt you're not! :mad:

Signed,
Rogue, Soke and Senior Grandmaster of Southeast American Brazillian Bagua Combat Chi jitsu Kempo Karate Do and Choral Society.

The only tactical principle which is not subject to change; it is, “To use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wounds, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time."

[Ryu]

Hey that's kind of harsh.
Honestly, I wasn't trying to troll.

Ryu

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/powell/123/Imagenes/kenshin.jpg

Rimpleback Pumpernickle Kez Kez Vuy Tranh Yanagasawa Fujikage Fistibuns....
the lost son of the Fistibuns clan...


"One who takes pride in shallow knowledge or understanding is like a monkey who delights in adorning itself with garbage."

[old jong]

Hey Ryu ,How could a grounder and pounder judoka Brazilian jiujitsuist with some jeet kune do added in it be a.......(gasp) TROLL!!!!!Naaaa ,Impossible!... :D :D ;) ;) :p :p

Les paroles s'envolent.
Les écrits restent!...

[Ryu]

:D Yikes.
It seems everytime I open my mouth right now I get myself into trouble! :D
SO, I'll take a day off or two, and come back with some good stuff. ;)

It's that darn Dr. Cockswain...I'm telling you.

Ryu

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/powell/123/Imagenes/kenshin.jpg

Rimpleback Pumpernickle Kez Kez Vuy Tranh Yanagasawa Fujikage Fistibuns....
the lost son of the Fistibuns clan...


"One who takes pride in shallow knowledge or understanding is like a monkey who delights in adorning itself with garbage."

[truewrestler]

ummmmm <img src=http://www.templewingchun.com/images/grounddefense.gif>

[old jong]

Truewrestler , I think if I want to learn "ground defense" I'll try to learn from some real ground expert. I don't like the tendency to add crappy ground work like that to wing chun just because it is popular these days. What I say is: Learn good wing chun (or any standing up art you like well) and learn the ground from someone who knows it. The guy defending on that clip is in great danger to being caught in a few subs and his position sucks.

Les paroles s'envolent.
Les écrits restent!...

[rogue]

Hey old Jong, can you believe Ryu being a troll? He seemed like such a nice guy. :D

Signed,
Rogue, Soke and Senior Grandmaster of Southeast American Brazillian Bagua Combat Chi jitsu Kempo Karate Do and Choral Society.

The only tactical principle which is not subject to change; it is, “To use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wounds, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time."

[LEGEND]

No offense to my former GRANDMASTER WILLIAM CHEUNG...but his demo. of ground fighitng is horrendous. He's throwing straight punches toward a guy who supposely acting like he knows bjj...straight punches like that will equal ARMBAR or TRIANGLE! And the clip seems to show when someone mounts u that the answer is to BRIDGE...lol...if it was only that easy!

A

[truewrestler]

the bridge and roll is fine. The straight punches are alright for a quick flurry. However, What is up with him sitting on his ass at the end with his right arm still being grabbed. I have never seen this in my life. THIS IS <font color=red>NEVER</font> DONE! Period.

A TKD student who just learned the armbar from a KungFu guy who saw Royce do it in a UFC could get an armbar on him. Pathetic.

[This message was edited by truewrestler on 12-03-01 at 12:23 PM.]

[JWTAYLOR]

Legend, bridging like a mad man is the first thing that I try when mounted. Given, it's not always successfull, but on not so well trained grapplers it workds allot of the time. Against somone with no experience I'd say a good bridge has a 90% success rate.

What do you do first? You probabbly have ALLOT more experience than I do.

JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[old jong]

Hey Rogue.
Yeah ,It's hard to believe that a guy like Ryu could get as low as acting like Rolls! :eek: :( :( I sincerely thought He was the Grappling exception that made the rule :( It's a real bummer to witness such a change of personnality. Maybe he got choked one tome too much and he his confused! :eek: I hope he will get better soon.
Let's not talk about this too much. I would not want to see his good guy reputation affected by this! :eek: If he wont get better and appologise to the board, we will have no choice but to ask the moderators and administrator toBANHim :D :D :D ;)

Les paroles s'envolent.
Les écrits restent!...

[truewrestler]

actually bridging and rolling is the most commonly used escape in MMA. In straight grappling however there are a some other escapes that would leave you open to strikes in fighting. I'll look for some videos and instruction online for you...off i go......

[JWTAYLOR]

Thanks,
JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[truewrestler]

From http://www.RoyHarris.com

http://www.royharris.com/techniques/bjj/mount1.htm
http://www.royharris.com/techniques/bjj/mount2.htm

[truewrestler]

The first link here is for a bridge and roll move that has a little more technique involved. From http://www.InTheGuard.com!

http://www.intheguard.com/techniques/escapemount1.html
http://www.intheguard.com/techniques/escapemount2.html

[truewrestler]

http://www.MixedMartialArts.com

Do you feel that the best defense is a great offense....here ya go...http://www.mixedmartialarts.com/motw/old_tech/edit_title.cfm?headerid=90

(pics and desrciptions seem to be slightly out of order)

[old jong]

No!!!! Now you're talking like Chokeyouout 2 or 3,I dont know! Please come back to your old self! ;) ;) ;) ( Rogue would like that too!) But if you want to kick my a$$, I can be avalable between 5:00 and 5:15 on the 30 of february near the "lac des castors" on Mount-Royal in the center of Montreal. If I dont see you, it means you are a coward and a japanese cartoon character! :p

Les paroles s'envolent.
Les écrits restent!...

[old jong]

......ROllS !!!!....I knew there was something wrong with that Ryu post! :eek: Go back to your hole punk.

Les paroles s'envolent.
Les écrits restent!...

[rogue]

Yeah that goes double for me too!!!

Except for the Canadian bits.
Signed,
Rogue, Soke and Senior Grandmaster of Southeast American Brazillian Bagua Combat Chi jitsu Kempo Karate Do and Choral Society.

The only tactical principle which is not subject to change; it is, “To use the means at hand to inflict the maximum amount of wounds, death, and destruction on the enemy in the minimum amount of time."

[Ryu]

All right, this is getting too weird.
You guys don't really think I'm Rolls do you??
:(

Ryu

http://lavender.fortunecity.com/powell/123/Imagenes/kenshin.jpg

Rimpleback Pumpernickle Kez Kez Vuy Tranh Yanagasawa Fujikage Fistibuns....
the lost son of the Fistibuns clan...


"One who takes pride in shallow knowledge or understanding is like a monkey who delights in adorning itself with garbage."

[JWTAYLOR]

That's kind of weird. The "desparation" move they say leaves your face open is the one that I use most when they have a high mount and try to punch.

The first two are the ones where I get punched the most, so much that I only try them when bridging has failed. But I move from there to a knee bar instead of the heel hook there. Sometimes, if they don't fall far and post a hand over me I can get a good sleeper in. I guess they are versions of snaking/shrimping that I've picked up at Gracie and Carlos Machado seminars. The "escape from the mount 2" looks REALLY cool, and I'll work on it. It looks like it won't work if his weight is firmly on your hips, but a bump or two could help with that.

I've got a new rolling partner, but he doesn't have much more experience than me. He's 18, and had been in the Machado school for a few months and has been to some seminars and studied tapes as well. He's got 30 pounds on me (not muscle), but I still take him every time. He's got the "fish" problem mentioned earlier. Sooner or later, he'll get better. When I move back into Austin in a little while, I think I start taking class up at the Machado school.

JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[Fish of Fury]

it's the quiet ones you've gotta watch.

let's remember Ryu as he used to be...
...he would have wanted it that way :(

__________________________________________________ _________________________ "I'm just trying to lull you into a genuine sense of security!"

[CanadianBadAss]

well... I always hear that wing chun isn't a pretty style of kung fu... but ****, this is just ugly

Clip (http://www.templewingchun.com/new/images/threemoves.mpg)

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[old jong]

Is that supposed to be wing chun? :eek:

Les paroles s'envolent.
Les écrits restent!...

[rubthebuddha]

dunno if you were implying that was wing chun, but it was nothing like it.

and i feel sorry for the other guy for not being quick enough to dodge those slow-moving tree-trunks being swung at him. someone get him a jumprope for christmas.

-rtb

[CanadianBadAss]

I know, i got it from this site (http://www.templewingchun.com/new/twchome.html) in the clips section. It dos'nt look like wing chun to me either...

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[old jong]

Encounter with a boxer wearing a TKD chest protector in a quiet little stream! (http://www.templewingchun.com/new/images/threemoves.mpg)

It always been my greatest fear! :eek: Lucky for me,I don't do wing chun like that! ;) :D

Les paroles s'envolent.
Les écrits restent!...

[truewrestler]

JWT, the "escape mount 2" is cool. I haven't used the version shown but I use something similar. We work on one where you bump straight up and lock your arms out at the hips, slipping your knees through to guard. Just remember that you won't always get your knees out at once. What I describe above is called the earthquake by my instructor because after locking out your arms on their hips you shimmy and shake to get your knee through. Hard to explain exactly with out video. Some people also call it the worm.

There is another one similar to the earthquake that is used when someone is locking their feet under your butt so that you can't bump them at all. You push on both of their knees with your hands, as if you are taking off a pair of pants, shimmying and shaking to bring your knees through.

cool stuff

[fmann]

http://people.zeelandnet.nl/ejkoch/movies/WT2.mpg

What do you think about this clip?

[ATENG]

i believe that was the demo clip that sparked ryu's thread...

"It's all fun and games til someone loses an eye. Then it's just fun."

[rubthebuddha]

i don't know what the hell it is, but that tubby botch is NOT practicing any wing chun known on this planet. i can find a zillion faults with technique, but the fact that he doesn't follow the attacker up and close any gaps makes me wonder if he has ANY experience in fighting. maybe if he envisioned the attacker was a cheeseburger, he'd be all over him. sh!t.