If you know Japanese read this...

[Martial Joe]

How do you pronounce the word...tsuratsura?

[SanHeChuan]

Exactly how it’s spelled :p

[Ryu]

The "T" is almost not there, but it's kind of difficult to pronounce maybe. Almost "Surasura" But there is a weak "T" sound at the beginning of each.

Ryu

[DelicateSound]

I'd say it's pronounced "Sora-sora", with an "O" sound not a "U" sound.

I'm not Japanese expert, but I know a little from my Judo, and my Sensei is BIG on getting the pronunciations right!

[Ryu]

"o"? Hmmm

I don't think it is. The Japanese have a very strong "U" sound with a lot of words, but it sounds more like an short and sharp "ooh" sound.

"O" is mostly a sharp "Oh" sound.

:D My Japanese is going downhill though hahaha
I've got to practice more. My friends would rather speak English. ;)

Ryu

[No_Know]

Read the words like an upper middle North, East coast American from a suburb.

That's....new....hurah! That's....new....hurah!


Say the underlined sections in order of appearance.

Say the underlined parts as you would say that part when saying the whole word.

When making the r sound when speaking Japanese for this phrase tsura tsura, make the tongue wiggle--roll the tongue. The Spanish speakers of spain and latin and Central America do this. So do the High German speakers of Germany when the r is on the inside of a word.~

[Wongsifu]

tsura means goat in greek :)

[Jowbacca]

What No_Know said.

Vowel sounds in Japanese are basically:
A is more of an Ah (like "rah rah rah")
I is more of an Ee (as in "speed")
U is more of an Oo (as in "cool")
E is more of an Eh (as in "heh")
O is more of an Oh (as in "oh")

Each consonant has a sound with each of the 5 vowels:
A I U E O - Ah Ee Oo Eh Oh
Ka Ki Ku Ke Ko - Kah Kee Koo Keh Koh
Ma Mi Mu Me Mo - Mah Mee Moo Meh Moh

The S's and S's are tricky though:

Ta - Tah (normal)
Ti - Tee (sounds more like "chi", sometimes spelled as such)
Tu - Too (sounds more like "tsu" or like No_Know said "t's + u")
Te - Teh (normal)
To - Toh
_______

Sa - Sah (normal)
Si - See (sounds more like "she" or "shi")
Su - Soo
Se - Seh
So - Soh

Oh yah, also like No_Know said, R's are more like rolled R's or L's.

Next week we'll cover the 5 major verb forms....

[Martial Joe]

Lost disciple...can you put the word together for me and tell me how it should sound?

[IronFist]

Wow No_Know, that was actually pretty good!

Martial Joe, are you familiar with German? A "tsu" in Japanese sounds like "zu" in German.

Here is an easy to remember the vowels in Japanese. There are only five vowel sounds. Say this sentence: "Ah we soon get old." Not only are those the closet approximations English can make, but that's also the order they appear in in Japanese.

Ah, we soon get old!

a i u e o

Anyway, to get the "tsuratsura" sound, try this (bear with me on this one...):

Ok, you know the guy on the Simpsons, "Uder?" He's the exchange student from Germany. His name is pronounced like this: "oo-der" (long u sound).

So, pretend you see Uder walking down the street. What would you say? "It's Uder!!" Now, say it quickly... depending on your dialect of English, you may almost eliminate the "i" from "it's," Leaving something that sounds like "(i)t's Uder!!" which is only 2 syllabols long. So, take the first one, "(i)t's U~" and that's how you say the "tsu," basically.

"Tsuratsura" An "ra" in Japanese is generally a quick flap r, don't roll it like in Spanish. Some people say an "l" sometimes, but it generally depends on where in Japan the person is from and the vowels that surround the r. In this case a flap r is fine.

Or, you could just ask a Japanese person to pronounce it for you :)

Hope this helped.

Iron

[Martial Joe]

So it would be tsoortsoor?

Thats what I came up with from reading what you put.

If anyone has a microphone on their computer,do you think you could record yourself saying it and send it to me?

[No_Know]

tsoorah tsoorah's more like it. But well done and good job on getting that close from what people had said.


Thanks for the say, IronFist.

[Wu Wei]

If anybody cares, I agree with No_Know.

I've learned enough Japanese to know that he's right.

And in my opinion, you won't get much better of an explanation than what he's given you.

It's pronounced like the word "It's".
Your face should look like this
:D

then its OORAH like HOORAH.

then your face should look like this :o but not quite :eek:

Hope that helps.... heheheheh...

Jamatané

[Martial Joe]

Alright guys...thanks...


BTW,it means profoundly...

I made it the name of my band...

[Jowbacca]

One side note, using "oo" kinda implies that it's a long sound, when it's not really a long sound. In Japanese, there's a big difference bettween long sounds and short sounds. The closest example I can think of is the "oo" sound in "fool" is a lot longer than the "oo" sound in "fruity".

Ironfist is right about the "r" for the most part. How you say it kinda depends on where you're from. Although in Osaka, some of the punks there do roll their "r"s- same with Okinawa. "Average Japanese" is probly more of a single tongue flap. I think Tokyo and Nagoya use the "l" sound more, but I'm not really from mainland Japan so I don't really know for sure.

Not to sound weird, but I've never heard "tsuratsura" before. What's it supposed to mean?

[Satanachia]

No_know is absolutely right.

[Martial Joe]

Lost disciple~It means profoundly...

[Jowbacca]

My bad, you said that in your last post.
I'd always heard "fukai" (deep) for the same idea.

You probly seen it already, but this is what I got from an online translator:
profound - okufukai, atsumi, okubukai, fukai
profound - (an) shin'en
profound knowledge - gaihakunachishiki
profound mystery - makafushigi
profound secret - tenki
profoundly - tsuratsura, sen, zusshiri

Good luck with the band.
I can try to find u a decent pic of the kanji if u want.

[Martial Joe]

Sure,that would be cool,but dont spend to much time trying:p


After I record something I will notify the forum and I can send it to people individually...

[IronFist]

Alright.

"Uder" is pronouced "oo" (rhymes with "you") "der" (rhymes with "her")

The "oo" was supposed to mean like the "oo" sound in English words, like poop, pool, cool, tool, shoot, etc.

I didn't mean "oo" like "oo" or "ou" in Japanese.

Sorry for the confusion.

So you have "tsuratsura"

Say: "Tsu" (rhymes with "you") - "ra" (rhymes with "papa") and then say it again.

*Unless this is one of those cases where the "u" is silent, like in "desu," "kuso," "~masu" etc.

Yay!

Iron

[Richie]

Tsura tsura means like "continuing". Its kind of like Zutto. Wow, that is kind of old Japanese. Where did you learn it?

[Martial Joe]

I found it on the internet.
I needed a name for my band and I figured that having a word from a different language be the name.
I came across tsuratsura and I thought it was awsome...


it is one word by the way...