A crappy question

[Cipher]

Has anyone ever tried those total body cleansing things. I read that we have 5-25 lbs of backed up crap in our systems, is this true? I wonder if it really works using one of those systems to clear you pipes out. Any one know?

[Dale Dugas]

There are a few methods that are touted as being the best. I have tried a few of them and can say that a combination of fasting with juicing is a great way to detoxify the body and rid yourself of unwanted fecal plaque(the big medical term) that can exist in your intestines.

You can lose some serious weight and feel better about yourself as well.

Hope this helps.

In Boston,

Dale Dugas

[Cipher]

Do you just fast for a day and drink a load of juice? or does it take several days of doing this? Do you have to take any laxatives or herbal tea to release the innerflow of crap.

If you Fast/cleanse rather than taking pills of some sort do you need to only drink certain juices and I am assuming no food at all but what about some kind of suplement? I know this is kind of a funny subject but I would like to learn how to do the cleansing thing, I have heard that it can make you feel better but I have never tried it. If I understand correctly left over waste is toxic and getting rid of this can make a big difference. Thanks.

[Dale Dugas]

You can take some flax seed powder in the beginning if you have never done this before.

I would recommend reading up on it from as many sources and see what works for you.

I have done this for one week where I did not eat any solid food at all, only fresh jucies and of course a vitmamin supplement. You dont want to do this if you are under great stress but when you have more ability to rest up if you feel tired.

Some people have big reactions when they do this and some don't. Again I can only say what happened to me.

I lost 6 pounds from removing the mucoid plaque from my guts. that impressive. It also made me feel so good that I needed less sleep at the end of the week and made me feel more alert as well.

There are a few ways you can go about this. Usually I would suggest that you start to taper meals starting on a certain day eat 90% of your plate
than 80 until after the one week your not eating but drinking mostly the fresh squeezed juices, tea, water(lots of it) and your vits.

Hope this helps.

In Boston,

Dale Dugas

[Cipher]

Thanks Dale,
A few questions if you or someone else doesn't. I did a search on the Internet and I could not find a single thing on the subject, does anyone have links to a site that talks about it? If you take the sups while you do this do you just take them after drinking so that you don't get sick? I would like to do this, I had a little problem before taking pills but I think it was because I was over loading my system with more than I needed at once, once I cut back the amount of pills it helped. What kind of sups are good to take? I don't want to lose mucsle mass so is it a good idea to take protein of some sort along with multi's.

I would guess that if I take "one a days" for men along with drinking a bunch of Juice it should take care of the vits, but what about protein, calcium and minerals? I don't know maybe for only a week long it won't hurt you too miss some of these.

"mucoid plaque" and 6 lbs. of it, man that sounds really gross. I would imagine that if you lose 6 lbs. of "mucoid plaque" then you could lose a decent amount of weight fat loss too. Does cleansing you bowel help you lose weight in general? like you digestive system works better ect.ect.


If anyone wants to chime in, thanks. Thanks also for the replies so far.

P.S. The only site so far I have seen on the subject is drdoody.com and this was for pills to help the process.

[IronFist]

Dude are you talking about a colonic? Ewww, they like blast water up your ass and it's supposed to "cleanse" your colon. They say your average person (fat guy, I guess) has 5-25lbs of crap stored up there that's just rotting, and this is supposed to get rid of it.

Many people swear by it, but I can think of a few reasons why I would not get one:

1. If they mess up your intestines can burst. Ouch.
2. They're sticking things up your ass
3. It's not really a legit medical practice ( i think, they might be illegal some places)
4. They're sticking things up your ass

Some guy said he lost like 4 inches off his waist after he had one because they blasted all that stuff out, but he was probably fat to begin with.

Iron

[Brett Again]

you could lose a decent amount of weight fat loss too.

Not true. It is virtually impossible for the human body to lose more than (roughly) two pounds of body fat in a week. It's like driving a car... you can burn more gas by driving faster, but you'll hit an upper limit. No matter how fast you drive, you can't burn 50 gallons an hour in a four cylinder engine. And no matter how much you fast, you can't burn more than about two pounds of fat in a week. (Of course, if you don't mind burning muscle and organ tissue and dehydrating, you CAN lose quite a bit of weight in a short time.)

For those of you who are fascinated by mucoid plaques, here ya go:
http://www.healthrevolution.com/images/Plaque1.jpg


This is a site that claims to be an herbal means to the same process. (http://www.healthrevolution.com/experien.htm)

[ElPietro]

Originally posted by Brett Again


Not true. It is virtually impossible for the human body to lose more than (roughly) two pounds of body fat in a week. It's like driving a car... you can burn more gas by driving faster, but you'll hit an upper limit. No matter how fast you drive, you can't burn 50 gallons an hour in a four cylinder engine. And no matter how much you fast, you can't burn more than about two pounds of fat in a week. (Of course, if you don't mind burning muscle and organ tissue and dehydrating, you CAN lose quite a bit of weight in a short time.)

For those of you who are fascinated by mucoid plaques, here ya go:
http://www.healthrevolution.com/images/Plaque1.jpg


This is a site that claims to be an herbal means to the same process. (http://www.healthrevolution.com/experien.htm)

Well that's just not true. You can easily lose bodyfat at a greater rate than you have listed. 2lbs is simply the ideal number for fat loss. Anything more than that and it is less than healthy. But even having said that, this 2lbs standard is only when you are somewhat overweight...highly obese people will easily drop weight much more significantly...now much of this of course is water but much of it at the start is fat as well. 2lbs simply put is 7000 calories...burn that many either by eating less or working out more and you will lose 2lbs guaranteed. I don't know what you mean by burning organ tissue...your body doesn't use other organs as a source of fuel...it uses carbs, fat and protein...not lungs, kidney and heart...or whatever...the upper limit of fatloss is different for everyone at different bodyfat levels...so a fatass sedentary guy will lose fat rapidly and then slow down with the fatloss, etc...

[SevenStar]

I'm lost on the burning of oragn tissue thing also. That being said, I really have nothing to add to this thread other than that El Pietro's post is right on.

[Cipher]

Well, I don't want to get a colonic, I have no desire to be reamed with a water hose, or anything for that matter. I was looking more for an all natural way to clean my pipes out, I always go for the natural methods when possible.

From what I can tell this can be done without any kind of Dr. visits, but just by fasting and taking the right herbs. It makes sense though that cleaning things out can improve your health.

Thanks Brett for sharing that pic, I think I will start the fasting proccess now because I don't think I can eat for a week after seeing that:eek:

What I meant before about having a decent fat loss from the fasting was more in the sense of your digestive system getting cleaned out and maybe preventing you from retaining too many fat and calories. I guess it doesn't make sense but it's just a thought.

[Brett Again]

Not arguing here... "I only know what I read in the paper."



You can easily lose bodyfat at a greater rate than you have listed. 2lbs is simply the ideal number for fat loss. Anything more than that and it is less than healthy. But even having said that, this 2lbs standard is only when you are somewhat overweight...highly obese people will easily drop weight much more significantly...now much of this of course is water but much of it at the start is fat as well. 2lbs simply put is 7000 calories...burn that many either by eating less or working out more and you will lose 2lbs guaranteed.

Well, I'm not a nutritionist or an expert in the field... I just read a lot. I have read this in a variety of sources. What I've read is that if you're operating at a calorie deficit that great, your body will be not only burning fat, but also other tissue as fuel sources. Of course, every body is different so the number may be more or less, but I think its generally excepted that there is an upper limit to an individual's HEALTHY FAT loss. So what you say is true... you CAN lose more, but do you really want to? Meaning, you can lose, say, 5 pounds of fat in a week, but the process of doing so will also cause you to burn other "good" tissue such as muscle. To continue my lame car analogy.... you CAN burn 50 gallons of gas in an hour, but only if you put the car in neutral and red line the tachometer for that whole hour, possibly blowing your engine.


I don't know what you mean by burning organ tissue...your body doesn't use other organs as a source of fuel...it uses carbs, fat and protein...not lungs, kidney and heart...or whatever

I'm sure I've also read somewhere that under some circumstances the body will also burn organ tissue as fuel just as it will muscle (wouldn't organ tissue contain protein?). Perhaps this is only under starvation conditions... I'm not sure. But I have to think that possibly a week long fast w/ only fruit juice (meaning a week of zero protein) might fall in to this category.

[ElPietro]

Your muscles contain protein, in a catabolic state your body is taking protein away from your muscles as fuel which can decrease muscle size. Muscle isn't an organ though...so that's where I was correcting you.

Depending on your goals and body type different things will happen. If you are a big fata$$ then your body is carrying around a LOT of excess fat and will get rid of that pretty quick...which in generic terms would mean that it is still within your healthy range to lose 5,10,15, etc lbs in a week. As you come closer to what your body genetics consider your ideal metabolic rate and bodyfat percentage it will become increasingly difficult to drop pounds and also less healthy to drop too much at once.

If you are on a calorie deficit there are still things you can do to prevent or minimize catabolism (muscle consumption). Upping your protein is one way...(use whey not soy, soy is crap, no matter what the vegans tell you), also increasing fat (good fat, ie. omega 3, 6, 9 aka essential fatty acids, aka flax seed oil, etc) will give your body fuel to burn and will allow it to use the fat on your body as energy as well which will allow you to drop fat. Cutting carbs at points in the day is debatable, carbs are a high performance fuel but are also easily converted to glycogen which if unused is converted to fat for storage. Protein will not do this in most circumstances, but it's the least favourable fuel your body will use.

If you are going to fast you can still use whey powder I guess...I'm no expert in detoxification but protein is very important to your body so I'd make sure you are getting a sufficient supply, if not more than sufficient to compensate for lack of other nutrients. But I'd consult a specialist before trying anything like this on my own. Deprivation can be dangerous.