mantis108
01-12-2002, 07:04 PM
This breakdown of forms is taken from Sifu Carl Albright's site.
Here are some thoughts on them:
The 14 Route Tam Toy
This is the creation of GM LGY
The Sup Yee Kuen Jong (12 “seed” forms)
I think Bung Bo, Lan Jeet and Baat Jow would be in this category. These 3 are considered to be the original 3 from Wong Long and were passed down through Leung Shui Hueng. Don't have details on the rest of them. But I speculate that they might be of Long Fist, or Shandong Eagle Claw origin or counter part of Plum Blossom, White Apes, etc.
The Plum Blossom series
These series has about 3-4 forms and might be passed down by Jiang Hua Long
The White Ape Series
I believes these forms were Bai Yuan Tong Bei origin. footwork and 8 hard method of Mantis might have Tong Bei influence. Also 7* (both the stance and the style name) might have come from these. These might have further developed into Dai Sui Fan Che.
The Dragon Series
I have no info. on these forms. So I have no comment on them.
The Tiger Series
Might be forms from Shandong Black Tiger?
The Jak Yiu (extrapolation or selected boxing)
These would seem to be passed down by Leung Shui Hueng also.
The Yau Ling (soft energy)
I don't have information on these neither.
The Chi Gung sets
18 Louhan Gung seems to be unique to 7 Stars, Pai Da Gung and Iron Palm seems to be more common amount all PM styles. Could it be that since 7 Stars was handed down through a Taoist background, Chi Gung is essential?
Specialty Forms (i.e. miscellaneous sets)
Drunken Arhat, etc... There is a LiPi form in 7 Stars PM also. Would it be the same LiPi of 8 Step PM, which is handed down by Jiang Hua Long? If so where does this piece fit into?
It is of note that GM LGY of 7 Stars perferred the name Northern Praying Mantis which is an all inclusive term for PM. It would seem that he recognized there were more than one lineage during his time. He might have wanted to create a modern school for all mantis (northern only) based on his experience in Ching Wu. I am also of the opinion that there were more than a single mantis lineage as early as the next generation after Wong Long. That might be the obstacle to create a single school for all Mantis. The problem is still presisting as illustrated by this forum. I believe we should not be short sighted and look at the big picture for the sake of promoting PM to the world.
Mantis108
Here are some thoughts on them:
The 14 Route Tam Toy
This is the creation of GM LGY
The Sup Yee Kuen Jong (12 “seed” forms)
I think Bung Bo, Lan Jeet and Baat Jow would be in this category. These 3 are considered to be the original 3 from Wong Long and were passed down through Leung Shui Hueng. Don't have details on the rest of them. But I speculate that they might be of Long Fist, or Shandong Eagle Claw origin or counter part of Plum Blossom, White Apes, etc.
The Plum Blossom series
These series has about 3-4 forms and might be passed down by Jiang Hua Long
The White Ape Series
I believes these forms were Bai Yuan Tong Bei origin. footwork and 8 hard method of Mantis might have Tong Bei influence. Also 7* (both the stance and the style name) might have come from these. These might have further developed into Dai Sui Fan Che.
The Dragon Series
I have no info. on these forms. So I have no comment on them.
The Tiger Series
Might be forms from Shandong Black Tiger?
The Jak Yiu (extrapolation or selected boxing)
These would seem to be passed down by Leung Shui Hueng also.
The Yau Ling (soft energy)
I don't have information on these neither.
The Chi Gung sets
18 Louhan Gung seems to be unique to 7 Stars, Pai Da Gung and Iron Palm seems to be more common amount all PM styles. Could it be that since 7 Stars was handed down through a Taoist background, Chi Gung is essential?
Specialty Forms (i.e. miscellaneous sets)
Drunken Arhat, etc... There is a LiPi form in 7 Stars PM also. Would it be the same LiPi of 8 Step PM, which is handed down by Jiang Hua Long? If so where does this piece fit into?
It is of note that GM LGY of 7 Stars perferred the name Northern Praying Mantis which is an all inclusive term for PM. It would seem that he recognized there were more than one lineage during his time. He might have wanted to create a modern school for all mantis (northern only) based on his experience in Ching Wu. I am also of the opinion that there were more than a single mantis lineage as early as the next generation after Wong Long. That might be the obstacle to create a single school for all Mantis. The problem is still presisting as illustrated by this forum. I believe we should not be short sighted and look at the big picture for the sake of promoting PM to the world.
Mantis108