diego
01-24-2002, 12:45 AM
I POSTED THIS ON THE HUNGGA.NET FORUM...
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diego
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Posted - 24 Jan 2002 : 07:28:34
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Wushu Kung-Fu Qiqong - September 1998
Wong Fei Hung Famous Hero, Brilliant Mind
By Pedro Cepero
Although we look at Wong Fei Hung, the hero, some people never take the time to look past the fantasies and realize the real reason why he was so famous. Wong Fei Hung, the man, had a brilliant mind. He possessed the insight, knowledge, experience and skills to create and elevate Hung Ga to the highest level. He combined the art of Luk Ah Choy with the connection, stance and iron bridges of Tit Kiu Sam, and added it to the techniques of the Hung Moon Association and his own techniques to create what we know today as the orthodox version of Hung Ga. But this is just the icing on the cake.
Inside his mind he was able to take the five animals and combine them with the Five Elements, which plays a heavily important role in the Chinese culture. This new system used the five sounds to improve the strength and function of the body's major and minor organs; by applying different types of body connection with the sounds he was able to create different types of power. Wong also added the Seven Star Fist Philosophy, which includes the five elements (and refers to everything in life) and the sun and moon. The sun and moon was a representation of the fight for freedom (to restore the Ming Dynasty). This adds moral character to the art, and in fact the sun and moon philosophy is present in many movements in the forms./
Wong Kiew Kit INTERVIEW:Answer 6
"Sap Ying Khuen" or "Ten Forms Set" is actually not from traditional Hoong Ka Kungfu. It was invented only recently (about 1950s or 1960s) by Kwan Tuck Heng, who was a master not of Hoong Ka Kungfu but of White Crane Kungfu. But Kwan Tuck Heng acted so well as the legendary Wong Fei Hoong in many Hong Kong Cantonese kungfu movies that many people thought he was a Hoong Ka master.
The "Ten Forms Set" draws inspiration from the five Shaolin animals of dragon, snake, tiger, leopard and crane, and the five elemental processes of metal, water, wood, fire and earth.
Personally I do not think this "Ten Forms Set" add any value to Hoong Ka Kungfu; rather, it distracts from it. Hoong Ka Kungfu is famous for its specialization in the tiger and crane patterns; which have proven to be excellent for combative as well as non-combative functions. Adding three more animal styles only serve to undermine this specialization.
The skills and techniques represented by the five elemental processes of metal, water, wood, fire and earth are already found in Hoong Ka Kungfu. Moreover, I find its mode of classification into the five processes rather artificial, and often does not agree with the established five elemental processes philosophy.
For example, a thrust punch which manifests an arrow shooting out, is classified as a fire process because of an expression "fire arrow", but in the traditional Chinese philosophy, "fire" symbolizes rising. "Clamping" an opponent's punch is classified as "wood" because this pattern is named "technique of clamping wood", but in the philosophy "wood" symbolizes growth.\
Jon from kfo:
From what i know which could very possibly be more legend than fact.
One of the 10 tigers was a Lama Ga expert and Wong Fai Hung was Wong Kai Yings son who was also a Tiger. Wong was taught lama ga and longfist techniques from the style and i would venture to say a lot of some of the elemental boxing in Hung is influenced by lama gar. My knowledge of this though im afraid is pretty limited, Steve may very well more.
One thing i do know is that my school and i would venture to say most Hung schools have a deep respect for Lama Ga its a powerfull system and has much in common with Hungs logic in terms of combat.
I would be a fool to try and tell you what exactly was shared becouse im simply not that sure.
My sigung even taught a little Lama Ga seperately to Hung, though exactly what his knowledge was im not sure, he mainly used it as an introduction. Ive been shown a few moves and it certainly fits in well with Hungs movement.
Plus when a lama ga guy starts swinging those malet fists you better start moving thats my best advice./
diego
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Posts: 15
From: Canada
Registered: Jan 2002
Posted - 24 Jan 2002 : 07:42:07
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I have been told by about 9 different sources, hung gar and hop gar may have mingled at one point...Originally i read that wong fei hung and hop ga gm wong yan lam were peers, and that hop gave the longfist and hung gave hop the tiger claws; Then i was told, it wasnt wong fei hung....i think i was told at one point it was the teacher of fei hungs father, then im told it was possibly his father, who exchanged with hopgar.
Now my hypothesis isthat if what wong kiew kit states is reality, maybe the hung/hop story came from the original monkey king kwon tak hing's contribution to hung gar???.
Any1 know what crane tak studied,tibetan or chinese?, he's most famous nowadays as the original taishing/pekwa gm.
IF THIS IS TRUE, AND ME LIVING IN VANCOUVER BC, I BETTER GET MY BUTT TO THE CURRENT MONKEY KINGS SCHOOL, WICH IS TEN MILES FROM ME,,,how cool is that.
yours truly
PEEING MY PANT'S IN ANTICIPATION OF REPLY'S..8)
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diego
New Member
Posts: 15
From: Canada
Registered: Jan 2002
Posted - 24 Jan 2002 : 07:28:34
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Wushu Kung-Fu Qiqong - September 1998
Wong Fei Hung Famous Hero, Brilliant Mind
By Pedro Cepero
Although we look at Wong Fei Hung, the hero, some people never take the time to look past the fantasies and realize the real reason why he was so famous. Wong Fei Hung, the man, had a brilliant mind. He possessed the insight, knowledge, experience and skills to create and elevate Hung Ga to the highest level. He combined the art of Luk Ah Choy with the connection, stance and iron bridges of Tit Kiu Sam, and added it to the techniques of the Hung Moon Association and his own techniques to create what we know today as the orthodox version of Hung Ga. But this is just the icing on the cake.
Inside his mind he was able to take the five animals and combine them with the Five Elements, which plays a heavily important role in the Chinese culture. This new system used the five sounds to improve the strength and function of the body's major and minor organs; by applying different types of body connection with the sounds he was able to create different types of power. Wong also added the Seven Star Fist Philosophy, which includes the five elements (and refers to everything in life) and the sun and moon. The sun and moon was a representation of the fight for freedom (to restore the Ming Dynasty). This adds moral character to the art, and in fact the sun and moon philosophy is present in many movements in the forms./
Wong Kiew Kit INTERVIEW:Answer 6
"Sap Ying Khuen" or "Ten Forms Set" is actually not from traditional Hoong Ka Kungfu. It was invented only recently (about 1950s or 1960s) by Kwan Tuck Heng, who was a master not of Hoong Ka Kungfu but of White Crane Kungfu. But Kwan Tuck Heng acted so well as the legendary Wong Fei Hoong in many Hong Kong Cantonese kungfu movies that many people thought he was a Hoong Ka master.
The "Ten Forms Set" draws inspiration from the five Shaolin animals of dragon, snake, tiger, leopard and crane, and the five elemental processes of metal, water, wood, fire and earth.
Personally I do not think this "Ten Forms Set" add any value to Hoong Ka Kungfu; rather, it distracts from it. Hoong Ka Kungfu is famous for its specialization in the tiger and crane patterns; which have proven to be excellent for combative as well as non-combative functions. Adding three more animal styles only serve to undermine this specialization.
The skills and techniques represented by the five elemental processes of metal, water, wood, fire and earth are already found in Hoong Ka Kungfu. Moreover, I find its mode of classification into the five processes rather artificial, and often does not agree with the established five elemental processes philosophy.
For example, a thrust punch which manifests an arrow shooting out, is classified as a fire process because of an expression "fire arrow", but in the traditional Chinese philosophy, "fire" symbolizes rising. "Clamping" an opponent's punch is classified as "wood" because this pattern is named "technique of clamping wood", but in the philosophy "wood" symbolizes growth.\
Jon from kfo:
From what i know which could very possibly be more legend than fact.
One of the 10 tigers was a Lama Ga expert and Wong Fai Hung was Wong Kai Yings son who was also a Tiger. Wong was taught lama ga and longfist techniques from the style and i would venture to say a lot of some of the elemental boxing in Hung is influenced by lama gar. My knowledge of this though im afraid is pretty limited, Steve may very well more.
One thing i do know is that my school and i would venture to say most Hung schools have a deep respect for Lama Ga its a powerfull system and has much in common with Hungs logic in terms of combat.
I would be a fool to try and tell you what exactly was shared becouse im simply not that sure.
My sigung even taught a little Lama Ga seperately to Hung, though exactly what his knowledge was im not sure, he mainly used it as an introduction. Ive been shown a few moves and it certainly fits in well with Hungs movement.
Plus when a lama ga guy starts swinging those malet fists you better start moving thats my best advice./
diego
New Member
Posts: 15
From: Canada
Registered: Jan 2002
Posted - 24 Jan 2002 : 07:42:07
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I have been told by about 9 different sources, hung gar and hop gar may have mingled at one point...Originally i read that wong fei hung and hop ga gm wong yan lam were peers, and that hop gave the longfist and hung gave hop the tiger claws; Then i was told, it wasnt wong fei hung....i think i was told at one point it was the teacher of fei hungs father, then im told it was possibly his father, who exchanged with hopgar.
Now my hypothesis isthat if what wong kiew kit states is reality, maybe the hung/hop story came from the original monkey king kwon tak hing's contribution to hung gar???.
Any1 know what crane tak studied,tibetan or chinese?, he's most famous nowadays as the original taishing/pekwa gm.
IF THIS IS TRUE, AND ME LIVING IN VANCOUVER BC, I BETTER GET MY BUTT TO THE CURRENT MONKEY KINGS SCHOOL, WICH IS TEN MILES FROM ME,,,how cool is that.
yours truly
PEEING MY PANT'S IN ANTICIPATION OF REPLY'S..8)