Military martial arts

[SevenStar]

I'm talking to a friend of mine right now. He's telling me about the marine martial arts program. the belts are as follows: Tan, green, brown and black. they have certain requirements you have to learn for certain ranks, as with any style, but the reqs are different. For his tan belt, he had to learn leg sweeps - yes all, like the KUNG FU sweeps, various throws, chokes and basic punches and gun and knife training. the system is called MACMAP (sp?)

Later this week, he's gonna come by and we're gonna work a little bit. He was describing some of the combat throws to me and I said "That sounds like shuai chiao" He said that it probably was, as his instructor told him that a lot of their stuff was heavily influenced by the chinese.

[Paul]

From the little that I have read about it, I think they took techniques from Judo and some other Japanese arts. Who knows though. There is also supposedly a fairly large emphasis put on bayonet training.

I wish they would have had something that cool when I was in the Marines.

[SevenStar]

he did mention bayonet. I think the throwing is shuai chiao though. He was saying that they did some chin na also. I'll see when we work out.

[Paul]

It would be cool if you could report back on what it's like. I'm really curious about it.

It sounds like every Marine is going to be trained in the new Marine martial arts program. It's not like the old LINE system which was given lip service but not really trained unless you happened to be in a combat unit (and I'm not sure how much it was trained even then).

[HopGar]

careful boys, ya dont want to let Ego whatevr his name is see this one, he'll start his northrn kung fu crap.

[SevenStar]

He said they do body hardening too, by striking body parts.

[Kristoffer]

I don't think any serious millitary force will empazise alot of training in UN-armed combat :D
I'm not gonna start this crap again, been here a few times. (it's a ugly road)

Stick with your martial art and that will give u more than any 'lime'program or McCombat-designed-by-the-millitary-whatever.. ;)


BTW, when I was a kid everyone always said that u train JUDO and BOXING in the m's. Nothin fancy. Yeah sure, let's go learn what was it now? :D Northen Shaolin, Chin Na, shuai Shiao, and all them hookey programs? ..and knife and bayonett training? yeah, that sounds great. keep it up!

PEACE

[Stranger]

Kristoffer,

Well you did start it again, and you're wrong. :D

MOST military units use their H2H as a training device to build aggression. These units train minimally, usually during their initial infantry training and that's it.

A FEW military units train their H2H as a "worst case scenario tool" because they operate behind enemy lines often or alone without unit support. H2H is more important to these people, but still a lot has go to go wrong to get to that situation. Many SpecOp units would fall into this category. Some sniper and pilot programs might also emphasize this kind of training. Training is consistant throughout their service, but it is low on the list of priority skills.

VERY, VERY FEW units actually specialize in missions where H2H is a vital element to their mission success. Abduction/Arresting/Assassination teams in the SpecOp community and some military bodyguards need and use their H2H very regularly. Training among these groups is consistant, strongly emphasized, and of high quality.

So you are right in most cases, but there are notable exceptions to your sweeping statement. ;)

[Kristoffer]

always a pleasure stranger :D

[guohuen]

This should put the controversey of military training (at least in the U.S. to rest.
If the Americans had Conducted the Raid at Entebbe
The Rangers would have killed everyone and blown up the plane while the spooks were bombing the Chinese embassy in Sarejevo.
The Special Forces would **** everyone and blow up the plane while the spooks were bombing the Chinese embassy in sarejevo
The Seals would still be trying to swim up Victoria falls when the highjackers blew up the plane and the spooks were bombing the Chinese embassy in Sarejevo.
Force Recon would still be trying to figure out the radio when the highjackers blew up the plane and the spooks were bombing the Chinese embassy in Sarejevo.
Delta Force would be playing bumper cars with blackhawks and C130s when the highjackers blew up the plane while the spooks were bombing the Chinese embassy in Sarejevo.
Para Rescue would rescue the pilots, **** everyone and blow up the plane while the spooks were bombing the Chinese embassy in Sarejevo.
Hope this puts things to rest.

[DelicateSound]

Ah, good old American incompetance :D


Royal Marine Commandos - The dog's bollocks. Nuff 'said.

[GeneChing]

The 3 Weirdest Ways Iran's Military Uses Martial Arts (https://www.military.com/off-duty/2019/06/20/3-weirdest-ways-irans-military-uses-martial-arts.html)

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We Are The Mighty | By Alex Hollings

In the modern world, most nations cultivate a variety of martial arts disciplines within their borders, not as a formal effort of the government, but rather as a byproduct of public interest. Here in the United States, motivated students can find places to study anything from Japanese Karate to Israeli Krav Maga at their local strip mall, so it should come as no surprise that the military has also come to adopt a variety of disciplines into its own approach to martial arts-based combat.

The Marine Corps Martial Arts Program, as one example, borrows from no fewer than 17 distinct martial arts disciplines, ranging from Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu to Kung Fu, to ensure Marines are as capable in hand-to-hand combat as they are with their rifles.

Iran has also placed an emphasis on martial arts for the sake of defense, though like the nation's military apparatus itself, their approach has been heavily informed by their culture, internal politics, and unusual military hierarchy, resulting in less than stellar results.

1. Iran has allegedly forced martial arts instructors to work as assassins

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These guys look exactly like the generals that would show up in a movie with that plot. (Mohammad Akhlaghi via WikiMedia Commons)

According to a cable sent from the U.S. embassy in Azerbaijan's Baku Mission that was revealed by WikiLeaks, the Iranian government expects martial arts schools and clubs to serve in the role of "enforcers" when it comes to stemming public dissent, but that's far from the worst that's been pressed upon martial arts instructors.

The wire, which came with the decidedly metal headline of, "IRAN: NINJA BLACK BELT MASTER DETAILS USE OF MARTIAL ARTS CLUBS FOR REPRESSION," goes on to claim that the "ninja black belt master" in question knew of at least one instructor that "was used by the Intelligence service to murder at least six different individuals over the course of several months." These alleged victims were referred to as "young intellectuals" and "pro-democracy activists."

2. The Iranian government built an all-female, 3,500 strong ninja-army


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rgUBzGwHTJE

Women in Iran may not enjoy the same rights or parity that can be found in Western nations like the United States, but that's not to say that the Iranian government doesn't occasionally recognize a woman's ability to kick ass for their benefit. Most women may not be allowed to travel outside of their homes without a male escort, but some are trained in Japanese Ninjutsu to become stealthy assassins for their government.

In 2012, 3,500 women were registered to begin their training to become ninjas, according to a segment produced for Iran's state-run media. Some in the United States have opined that Iran permits this training as a means to appease their stifled female population, but it seems more likely that Iran's government believes it has a use for women that can fight.

The video of these women training may seem cheesy, but their form actually looks a lot better than some of Iran's highly trained Special Operations troops…
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[GeneChing]

3. Iran’s Special Operators were defeated by pottery

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWKhiSmj73s

Every nation occasionally releases motivational videos of their highly trained troops executing unusual techniques. The U.S. does insertion and extraction demonstrations with special operators at SOFIC in Tampa, Florida each year. Russia releases footage of their troops shooting live rounds at each other, and Iran… well, Iran's special operators can be seen in this video losing a fight to a vase.

In the video, Iranian officials are shown looking on as men that have been referred to by a number of news outlets as Special Operations troops execute a series of dramatic spin kicks and even spinning back-hands to a vase that simply refuses to break.

Eventually, the troops set the intact vase down and bow as their clearly disappointed superiors look on. It wouldn't be fair to say that this demonstration characterizes all of Iran's military martial arts efforts, but if these generals were smart, they probably forgot about the demonstration and went straight to the guy that made that vase to see if he was interested in getting into the tank business.


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[SteveLau]

I don't think any serious millitary force will empazise alot of training in UN-armed combat :D


Well, that's quite true. It rings with a comment that I have heard "un-armed combat skill in the military force is not martial art, it is method to kill".
Militant's objective in battle is to stop his opponent from what he is doing or might do usually by killing.




Regards,

KC
Hong Kong

[mawali]

I'm talking to a friend of mine right now. He's telling me about the marine martial arts program. the belts are as follows: Tan, green, brown and black. they have certain requirements you have to learn for certain ranks, as with any style, but the reqs are different. For his tan belt, he had to learn leg sweeps - yes all, like the KUNG FU sweeps, various throws, chokes and basic punches and gun and knife training. the system is called MACMAP (sp?)

Later this week, he's gonna come by and we're gonna work a little bit. He was describing some of the combat throws to me and I said "That sounds like shuai chiao" He said that it probably was, as his instructor told him that a lot of their stuff was heavily influenced by the chinese.

MCMAP is a hybrid training programme incorporating elements of BJJ, Judo, Jujitsu, etc and it is 'formalized' to teach basic self defense. Prior to MCMAP, commands used those Marines who had rank in some disciples to teach said programs but it was only restricted to that duty station. The basic Marine was always, is and forever a rifleman in battle..

The 23rd Psalm for Marines..though I am an old timer, I do rememebr a few lines

Yeh though I walk through the Valley of the Shadow of Death
I will fear no evil 'cause ah be the meanest SOB in da valley.....

The Devil looks under his bed to make sure no Marines are there!

Time ask Marines what time it is....

[GeneChing]

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Leaked chats show current troops and veterans joined a white supremacist group, offering 'martial arts' and ability to 'clear rooms' (https://www.businessinsider.com/leaked-records-people-with-military-ties-joined-white-supremacist-group-2022-2)
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Leaked chat records from a white supremacist group show many applicants claim to have current or former ties to the US military.
The records were posted online by Unicorn Riot, a media collective known for reporting on extremist groups.
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Leaked chat records and membership applications show roughly one in five people who applied to join the white supremacist group Patriot Front claimed to have current or former ties to the US military, according to documents published by Unicorn Riot and analyzed by the Southern Poverty Law Center.

SPLC, a civil rights nonprofit that tracks hate groups, found that 18 of the 87 people who applied said they were either in the military or veterans, with a number highlighting skills picked up through the military.

Applicants reportedly included a 21-year-old man claiming to be a former Marine and a current employee of the Department of Homeland Security, a man claiming to be a current Army reservist, and a veteran who said that he became a national socialist after listening to Alex Jones' 9/11 conspiracy theories.

In January, activists from Unicorn Riot, a left-leaning media collective known for reporting on extremist groups, published more than 55,000 messages and files from the Patriot Front group.

Patriot Front was established in the aftermath of the deadly 2017 "Unite the Right" rally in Charlottesville, Va. by former members of the neo-nazi group "Vanguard America," according to the Southern Poverty Law Center.

Applicants who claimed to have ties to the military said they had skills like the ability to "clear rooms" and knowledge of "Marine martial arts" and said they had "training in firearms" and "military intelligence."

This trend of seeing people with connections to the military join up with extremist groups is not limited to the Patriot Front group.

It has been seen elsewhere, such as with the Oath Keepers, which 81 uniformed US service members have signed up with, according to a recent USA Today report. Fourteen of 20 still in the service used their official military email address.

In February 2021, a report from the Pentagon said military members are "highly prized" recruits for extremist groups and that they can "bring legitimacy to their causes and enhance their ability to carry out attacks."

Current service members are prohibited from advocating for or actively participating in extremist organizations, but the Department of Defense does not ban specific groups. The Pentagon issued new rules in 2021 attempting to further prevent US military personnel from engaging with these groups.

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30 Marines across Okinawa molded into Marine Corps Martial Arts Instructors upon completion of MAI Course (https://www.dvidshub.net/news/460911/30-marines-across-okinawa-molded-into-marine-corps-martial-arts-instructors-upon-completion-mai-course)
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Photo By Cpl. Thomas Sheng | U.S. Marine Corps Cpl. Aaliyah Aguallo, an administrative specialist with Installation... read more
CAMP HANSEN, OKINAWA, JAPAN
12.14.2023
Story by Cpl. Thomas Sheng
Marine Corps Installations Pacific

OKINAWA, Japan – U.S. Marine Corps Cpl. Aaliyah Aguallo and 29 more Marines from III Marine Expeditionary Force and Marine Corps Installations Pacific walked into the dark early morning, weighed down by military gear, prepared to face the next six hours of their Martial Arts Instructor Course on Camp Hansen, Dec. 14.

Before the sunrise, the impact of her squad’s boots meeting the asphalt echoed throughout the streets of Camp Hansen. Disordered yelling behind her was cut short as the instructors directed everyone to veer off into the grass.

About 400 meters from the starting point, each squad peeled off into a patch of grass and quickly stripped down all their extra gear. The squads lined up to begin their first station of the day.

Anxious but poised, Aguallo dropped to the push-up position and immediately jumped up after. Rinse and repeat. After some time, each squad lined up and began doing repetitions of different exercises: burpees, dive bomber push-ups, low crawls, and an assortment of partnered carries.

The instructors pulled aside Squads 1 and 2, while members of Squad 3 were still going through exercises. Squad 2 hid out of sight from Squad 1 around the corner and up a hill. Both squads were instructed to hide among trees and shrubs and were given protective gear for the hands, head, and body.

With the aid of her squad members, Aguallo quickly put on her gear for combat. Once she got the greenlight, she moved toward the hill, where a member of Squad 2 approached. Equipped with a training knife, Aguallo waited as her opponent came into view.

“Fight!”

The proverbial bell rang as she engaged her fighter. Both fighters unleashed quick swings and jabs. The wired mask of the helmets hindered the vision of both fighters, but critical hits still landed.

“Break!”

The bout concluded, and both fighters returned to their squads for the next round.

This was the formula for the next six hours. Exercise and combat. Each station involved repetitions of exercises followed by sparring or grappling with hiking in between.

“There were definitely lots of moments where I was in the black, and far beyond the black,” said Aguallo, a native of Chicago, Ill., with Marine Corps Installations Pacific. “This is for sure the most I’ve ever been tested while in the military so far.”

The class was divided into three squads, with one instructor each: Sgt. Levi Wolf, Squad 1; Sgt. Angel CruzOchoa, Squad 2; Sgt. Abdoukarim Sy, Squad 3. From one station to the next, the squads were responsible for carrying a log that required the manpower of three –to four Marines.

The MAI course is a three-week course that implements physical training and academic instruction for instructor trainees. The demanding physical intensity prepares trainees to perform Marine Corps Martial Arts Program techniques through the different elements of war. Coursework evaluations ensure that all newly graduated instructors have more than enough knowledge to carefully supervise and instruct Marines who are looking to make MCMAP belt advancements.

“To become a MAI, you need to find something inside of yourself to allow you to do the things that you never knew you had the capacity for,” said Wolf, the lead instructor of MAI Course Class 28-24. “Understand that it’s not going to be for everyone; it’s for Marines who want to push above and beyond because it takes a special type of Marine to endure the physical and mental challenges through a course like this.”

According to Wolf, the biggest difference between a regular belt advancement course and an instructor course is the level of combat conditioning and knowledge retention for all techniques and exercises.

“The whole team fails if you’re not there mentally, everyone in your team is hurting just as much as you are,” said Aguallo. “One of the hardest parts was getting along with people in your squad, because everyone’s different.”

Throughout the course, Marines in each squad were instructed to complete their repetitions as a squad. When an individual Marine was called out, the squad had to restart their total number of repetitions. Combat conditioning also helps these Marines develop leadership and camaraderie. Very quickly, these Marines had utilized communication and teamwork to move through the culminating event.

The in-depth instruction ensures that when these Marines graduate, they are more than capable of leading new Marines through every technique.

“I’ve been wanting to do this since I was a lance corporal, but I hated MCMAP, originally it was just something to get my promotion score up,” said Aguallo. “But then it changed, I wanted to test out my leadership skills beyond my own job and network with other Marines and different types of students.”

Wolf, also a native of Chicago, was also looking to make a belt advancement when he was a lance corporal. Lance Cpl. Wolf began diving deeper into MCMAP after finally obtaining his grey belt.

His career took a different type of leadership role after his meritorious promotion. Cpl. Wolf went after the role of a MAI and received his instructor tab the same month after promoting to the rank of corporal. As an instructor of regular belt advancements, he trained any Marine who wanted it.

Once again, he was meritoriously promoted to his current rank of Sergeant. He then made another advancement in his MCMAP career becoming a Martial Arts Instructor Trainer and receiving a red tab.

“What impacts can I make as an instructor that will transfer to the entire Marine Corps? What can I leave in the next generation?” said Wolf. “It’s a matter of spreading your wings to make an impact in waves as opposed to small ripples.”

After Marines of Class 28-24 made their way back to the end of the event, they dropped their gear for the final time. Instructors announced that the Marines would individually file into a room one last time.

One by one each graduate exited the room receiving their new belts, indicating that they were now Marine Corps Martial Arts Instructors.


Congratulations to Okinawa’s newest MAIs.

1st Marine Aircraft Wing

Sgt. Daniel Gonzalez, Cpl. Jordan Camilo, Cpl. Adoni JimenezThen, Cpl. Benjamin Toro, Cpl. Mario Aguilar, Cpl. Edgar Deavila, Cpl. Jefferson Sidabutar, Cpl. James Hanks, Cpl. Neilon Parsons.


Marine Corps Installations Pacific

Sgt. Tyler Wallace, Sgt. Alex Stark, Cpl. Alex Fairchild, Cpl. Jonathan Beauchamp, Cpl. Aaliyah Aguallo, Cpl. Dawyne Johnson II.


III Marine Expeditionary Unit Information Group

Sgt. Esdras AlvarengaOrdonez, Sgt. Rubens Guillaume, Sgt. Ramsey Ransaw Jr. Cpl. Austin Chunn, Cpl. David Garcia, Cpl. Valentin Tellez III.


31st Marine Expeditionary Unit

Cpl. John Goodman, Cpl. Luis Eliza Jr., Cpl. Marc Lues.


3rd Marine Division

Cpl. George Okyne, Cpl. Hunter Harris, Cpl. Osiel CarrascoRodriguez.


3rd Marine Logistics Group

Cpl. Joseph Roberts.


1st Marine Division

Cpl. Axel Calvo.
Congrats to the new instructors.