Fushan Bak Mei

[Buddha_Fist]

Hi, folks! We just finished Sifu Eddie Chong's new homepage. Sifu Chong teaches Fushan Bak Mei and Wing Chun. Feedback is welcommed! :)

The address is:

www.wingchunbakmei.com


Regards!

[Rolling_Hand]

hey guys,

Have you ever met Chut-suk in Fatshan?

[Buddha_Fist]

We're having problems with the server. Hope to be up again in a few hours... :eek:

Chut Suk? I don't know, maybe Sifu Chong knows him. I'd suggest to write him once the homepage is up again.

:)

[Buddha_Fist]

We're on-line again! Hope you enjoy the page. :)

[Rolling_Hand]

In Fatshan people call him ( Sifu Eddie Chong's Bak Mei teacher ) Chut Suk.

[Buddha_Fist]

Lee Yung Gien = Chut Suk? Didn't know that one. But I also just started with Sifu Chong, so it's not surprising I didn't know. Anyways, hope you like the homepage. :)

[Rolling_Hand]

As a new Bak Mei student, what's the first form you have learned?

Sup Gee Kuen or Dan Fut?

[Paul]

d a m n Rolling hand is busting out the bak mei pop quiz. haha.

[Rolling_Hand]

Paul = Poor ?

Don't underestimate your target. Tnwingtsun made his first mistake by getting loopy. LOL...

Proceed warily and be ready for sudden surprises... Sil Nim Tao Vs Sup Bat Mor Kiu

[Paul]

Exactly.

[fiercest tiger]

buddha fist,
hi there nice site i must say, although I seen eddie chongs bak mei on the weekend through a friend and its not bak mei its mixed with wing chun. Bak mei bong sau and 3 sun punches....come on?:)

i didnt see any fou, chum,tun, toe at all! The stances wasnt turned in like ive seen in bak mei can you please explain?

regards
FT

:)

[Rolling_Hand]

FT,

haha... you know you're on shaky footing!

However, they are good questions.

[fiercest tiger]

hahaha! im not trolling just asking questions, although it sounds like i am. honestly just want some answers regarding my questions.

sil lum tao vs sup batt mor huh?

hmmm jik bo vs bil jee:D :p now thats fare! cya man...;)

[Buddha_Fist]

FT, I'm not training yet under him Bak Mei.

As far as I know Sifu Chong doesn't mix up the training of the two styles. Just attend one of his Wing Chun classes, they're terrific. But if you know two styles, shouldn't you be able to apply both of them depending on the situation/positioning (or however you want to call it) you're confronting? You shouldn't "freeze" because you can't decide what to use, but rather flow freely. Probably this is what you have seen. His instruction is a lot about understanding combat in all its dimensions.

I understand and think a lot the same way in regards of keeping separate the different styles (honoring therefore their legacy), and that's what I get in my class. I studied long before WT and I know that at the moment I'm getting pure Wing Chun. Once I'll start in Bak Mei, I would be interested in getting exactly that in my class, but when it comes to practical application in the streets... At least I wouldn't mind to apply both.

If you don't like the way he sees it or the way I see it (which maybe isn't the same), you don't have to train with him. We're all free to do what we like, as long as we respect each other. I've been around in some MAs in the last 15 years and I know that I'll stay with his teachings, because they appeal to me and to a lot of my classmates.

I don't represent his personal point of view, for that you'd have to talk with him. Just give him a call, he uses to be quite friendly to anyone who approaches him. :)

Regards! :)

[fiercest tiger]

thanks for the answer, fare enough as long as you are happy right!

have you seen any other bak mei schools forms?

regards
FT:)

[Buddha_Fist]

:) Hi again FT!

No, I haven't yet. Not because I don't want to - I'm actually quite interested in doing it. It allows you to compare, know where you stand, value what you do and understand it better. :) Nothing worse than ignorance.

I'm still quite busy with my Wing Chun, and that will take me still a while...

Btw, the link to your own homepage doesn't work... You said you were at the weekend in Sifu's class. Must have been on Saturday. Just out of curiosity, how's that possible if that class is not open to everyone?

Anyways, I'll be still around here some time, just in case of more questions. :)

[fiercest tiger]

i seen him on video doing forms, and it was mixed with wing chun, even the salute is mixed! but as it says on his site he isnt related to clc bak mei?? what i seen of eddie'sifu doing bak mei was very soft and circular.

am i right here?

thanks mate
FT:)

[Buddha_Fist]

I guess that's the reason. Just compare Pan Nam , Chi Sim and Yip Man Wing Chun. They're quite different, but the difference doesn't make less authentic any of these. Sifu Chong knows that there are other lineages around (see our homepage), he just represents the teachings he learned from his Bak Mei Sifu, Lee Yung Gien, and respects the other lineages.

If you ever happen to be in California, pay him a visit. I'm sure he'd be happy to talk with a fellow martial artist and share experiences. :)

[Yum Cha]

Hey FT,

This always has confused me. History, unlike Kung Fu, is an oral /written concept.

The Legends:

Cheung Lai Cheun named a style without a name to bring it to secular practitioners from Monastic sources. So, anything that pre-dates Grandmaster CLC, even if the "same" style, would not be known as what he named it, but as it was called in the Monastaries, where it wasn't named, or was it?.

CLC named it for the legendary character that "originated" the style as he was told, allegedly a Daoist, but CLC as an old man wore Buddhist robes. (no biggie, it's commonplace to go between the two, but....)

CLC put much of himself as well into the style, it is a mix of what he was taught in the Monastary and what he learned as a proven fighter in his day.

Yet, some of his patterns are part of Fatshan Pak Mei taught by Sifu Chong, i.e. Sub Jie.

From a bigger picture, the basic fundamental techniques come from Southern short arm systems, which are possibly carried by Hakka peoples in their migrations around China, but the Pak Mei CLC brought out of the monastary is not the fundamentals, but the layers above. Did the monks have Hakka influence or did CLC teach a lot of Hakka in private, as I have been told, or both?

LIkewise, Fatshan Pak Mei claims links to Shaolin, the ancient (legendary) rivals of Pak Mei.

It would be nice to get some information that actually made logical sense of all this evidence and contradiction.

My Sifu knows about Fatshan Pak Mei, but not about it's history. It isn't a fabrication, I trust, but is it "Pak Mei" or another art with the same name and slightly different fundamentals?

[EAZ]

Originally posted by sui-fuw
.clc was problably the only person to bring it from h/k.not the be all and end all?and you put it in cantonese.now from what i learn is that pak mei cannot be learnt from any language apart from manderin and hakka.the cantonese fellows wern't taugt the main version for they didn't understand hakka and still don't today.

Thank you for this post Sui-Few. You give credence to many theories I have heard from Hakka Chinese - Vietnamese Pei Mei practiioners.

I posted a threaf a while back concerning 2 fundamental different types of Pei Mei/Pak Mei. My theory was that HK Pak Mei is but one strand of Pak Mei, and that CLC and Co while in mainland China seemed to do things differently. History has made the HK Pak Mei the one that is most known , practiced and spread around the world, and hence a reference.

While I do not degrade it, (I am but one and they are many :-] ), I wish to explore the other flavours, as I believe at present that Pei Mei in Vietnam has NO connection to HK Pak Mei (except for some practioners in HK who latter went to Vietnam, but many years after it was originally introduced).

It may even be possible that Tang Hué Bac, the person who brought Pei Mei to Vietnam, alhtough he learnt from CLC, there may have been a whole bunch of people in those times (pre-HK) that practiced something different.

(Of course Tang Hué Bac of course added some things himself, etc. and I am aware that each generation imprints its own feel...).

Anyways, thanks Sui-Few. You clearly have some knowledge to share with me !

[Shaolin Master]

[Q] SF -> why have you taken your post out?
[ANS] SF-> hi shoa,not to start any wars
-> Also, because no one wants to hear logic, they only want fantasial stories. Of course there are holes one does not have to tell all!

SF : now from what i learn is that pak mei cannot be learnt from any language apart from manderin and hakka

-> What about all those Individuals trying to learn Cantonese just to understand their arts better. Are you saying it is in vain?

SF : and you put it in cantonese.

-> Nope, I put in Englocantonese which is most common. In fact it is much easier for me to put it in Mandarin but no one would understand.
Like Shi zi quan, Chi Dian Mei Hua, Ba Gua, Shi Ba Mo Qiao, Hu Bu, Hua Bao, Jiu Bu Tui, Fei Fung Shuang Dao, Fei Fung Dan Dao, Da Che Gun, ...etc.
I could put it in Hakka, Hokkien, Teo Chew, Toisan, ChongSan...as well.....who cares though this isn't language class.


Vietnam, Hong Kong, Kowloon, GuangZhou, ShanTou, Hoi Fong, Malaysia, UK, USA ..etc.... all may differ. But if one style cannot keep it together then all will be lost in the world.

Oh Well,
it is irrelevant just practise and be happy.

[fiercest tiger]

Would you be able to tell me your sifu's name in bak me? where does he live?
Is he in malaysia or taiwan, or is it from chow fu sifus sons?
thanks
FT:)

[Shaolin Master]

Michael Jackson :D

FT,

I don't know Bak Mei remember, you said I am a northern practitioner !

[Yum Cha]

Sorry I missed SM's post.

I know some of you don't agree, I would expect no less.

I appreciate what he has to say, because he has viewpoint that he can verbalise. This isn't a test, its a puzzle and nobody has enough pieces to make anything but a picture of themselves.

So the question is, do you want to look in a mirror, or out a window?

OM MA NI PEH ME HUNG

[Rolling_Hand]

There're only two real Bak Mei master in Fatshan, Chut Suk and Mai Yu Qiang.

[Rolling_Hand]

Too many ideas can confound the focus. Prioritizing is key - Wing Chun is key.

Yes, I know them well.

That's the reason why I'm a Wing Chun Man... haha... this is just me!

[Rolling_Hand]

Wing Chun : Simple & Direct

Bak Mei : Keep your fingers crossed and hope for the best.

Bak Mei Grandmaster Mai Yu Qiang - You Knew the story...

[TIger Hand]

wing chun- so simplistic, it's UNREALISTIC

bak mei- real, POWERFUL, (unlike the girly latter), direct to the
point.

Ma Yu Quang & co..........well..... they just SUCK.

[jon]

Trolling hand strikes again...
Bom Tish

Just please dont pull out the dreaded chain punch i have WAY to much trouble dealing with that technique:rolleyes:
By the way how good are your gates from the back?
How do you find my center when im in constant motion?
When on the top of Wing Chun mountain how do you avoid the wind knocking you back down?
You are simple but maybe so am I, so what happens now?
The Wing Chun train is often missed, mainly becouse its on rails and to easily avoided.

Maybe i just keep running into crappy Wing Chun guys, ahh well i guess im happy:D

[Paul]

Ma Yu Quang & co..........well..... they just SUCK.

Really? have you met them?

[fiercest tiger]

well if its michael jackson then you are definelty the fu(king chimp..hahahaha:D

northern and southern remember your the masters master, dont ever forget it! lol it wasnt a complicated question was it?


:confused: :p ;)

cya shaolin master gung hei fut choy.

oh im starting my cantonese course soon!!!:D Then i can read books and manuals too...i lup 4 u!:D

[Rolling_Hand]

Act impressed, but don't be taken in.

This is more show than tell... at least you know where you stand.

I'm having my tea! hm...

[Shaolin Master]

FT,

C'mon you've seen Michael in action he may be melting away but he surely has some cool moves and a bit of Geng to :D Where else do you get skills like that :cool: not to mention speed "Ow...."

Nah, not difficult, You'll know all soon enough.

Yep, busy times are coming Lion Dances and stuff......

Oh, by the way cantonese is different written to spoken, are you doing the right course. Also, reading & writing will not help unfortunately there is a little more to it than that and not found in manuals nor texts.

Anyways,

Gun Xi Fa Cai (in mandarin)....though a little early.

[fiercest tiger]

personally i dont like the f@g, but hey he can spin and he would be good for hung gar with his ow, wooooooo, and voice chi kung!:D

yeah i understand that the course im doing, we spoke about this last time, u said do mandarin but i need cantonese to follow ykm, no hakka courses sui fuw lol.

we are booked out all through feb with lion and dragon dancing, what about lee bing ching? you guys doing anything at cabramatta..apart from extortion, and herion abuse? hahahlol

ok, ill await your responce to your bak mei lineage, one day, its out there.........whoooooooo thats the wind!!!:D

later
FT:)

[Paul]

Ma Yu Quang & co..........well..... they just SUCK.

C'mon TIger hand, you still haven't told me how you came to this "expert" conclusion. You publicly stated it, so why don't you publicly explain it?

[TIger Hand]

well........let the rolling hand tell you what happend to them.
He mentions it every chance he gets. Then draw your own conclusions as i did.

[Paul]

TIger hand,
That is what I thought you were going to say.

It is quite amazing that people here would take an anonymous troll's version of what happened as the absolute truth. whatever.

[Rolling_Hand]

Sui-fum,
--are you advising me to take up wing chun to better my k.f? or to drop pak mei?

I think you're a very sincere and serious kungfu practioner. You do deserve to see the " morning " on top of wing chun mountain - I'm talking about " awareness ".

You're at a dramatic crossroads. Don't worry. You're up to the task - " Kuen Yau Som Fot ".

[Rolling_Hand]

Though you didn't mean to be difficult, you're begining to see how playing hard to get builds interest. Continue with the aloof air, one more thing, don't forget to wash your hands after... hahaha. hum...

[CLOUD ONE]

Wasn't there a master of Wing chun who taught Bak Mei then after meeting Yip Man took up Wing Chun.

This is only a story and don't know any authenticity about it. Maybe Rolling hand could tell?

[Rolling_Hand]

Jon,
--You are simple but maybe so am I, so what happens now?

It feels like you're being force to deal with wing chun. Don't get too bummed about your setback. You've spent too much time erring on the side of caution. Maybe that's the problem!?!? - RH

In wing chun kungfu - " Lui Lao Hui Soong; Lut Sao Jik Chung " in other words, as your emeny comes, receives; if he leases, escort. - RH

[jon]

Please Rolling_Hand tell me you can do better?
After waiting so long and answering everyone else that was the best you can do for me? Im offended, after a whole post of questions which you obviously cant answer, you decide to answer me with a riddle:( I was really expecting an honest strait forward infromative responce, i thought that with all your high level wing chun you could solve a simple problem with it...
Lets try again...
how good are your gates from the back?
How do you find my center when im in constant motion?

I seek out my flaws and attempt to correct them, how about yourself?
Surely with your advanced knowledge of your system these problems could be easily overcome?

"It feels like you're being force to deal with wing chun. "
*Its not me its them, not 'all' many WC guys think they have some kind of secret kung fu no one knows. They get very surprised when they realise there precious structure is prone to collapsing. Still as i say there are exceptions, i just dont get the pleasure personaly of meeting the good ones.

"You've spent too much time erring on the side of caution. Maybe that's the problem!?!? - RH "
* Problem is simple, WC fighters often have large ego's, you are no exception. The only 'erring on the side of caution' is in my blatent dislike for the Sydney WC scence.

in other words, as your emeny comes, receives; if he leases, escort. - RH
* Pure genious, also nearly exactly what Tai Chi or any other internal style do. In practical situtions ive never seen a WC guy do that in my life, they just do the same thing EVERY time.
Twist and deflect, chain punch to dominate the centre....
Scary:eek:

Im sure there is some good wing chun around but im never impressed with the quality of the people i meet. I hope no one who is a dedicated wc guy and who does make a good effort to get along takes this to seriously.

[Rolling_Hand]

Jon
--I'm offened. after a whole post of questions which you obviously cant answer.

Stop putting so much pressure on yorself. It's time to listen to your imagination - Maybe your quick thinking saves yourself from collapse. - RH

--how good are your gates from the back?

They look good to me! Do you have a problem with yours? You have a talent for creating a position where only Ninjas like hiding behind them. And who's to say you can't pull a rabbit out of a hat? hahaha... so, the answer is there for you, but don't resist the responsibility that comes with it. " gates from the back " and " thinking outside of the box "... they do go hand in hand. hum.... - RH

--how do you find my center when im in constant motion?

Doubts may outweigh conviction, but what's new? Are you ready for the answer???
Here you go...
" find " is the wrong word, in Wing Chun kungfu, " feel " is the right word. This is just my 1/2 cent, please don't put so much pressure on yourself. - RH

A few words for you... The fact that you don't get everything you aim for is good. It keeps you hungry. You wouldn't try so hard on a full stomach. - RH

[TIger Hand]

Paul-

You are more than welcome to give me the "truth" of what happened.

Personally, I think Kwai Chang Caine (rolling_hand) is a IDIOT. He can stand on his wing chun "mole hill" all his life.

Little does he know he is just but one "BUG" on top of an ANT HILL proclaiming to be able to see the world.

[TIger Hand]

Kwai Chang-

You should have stuck with Tai Mantis, it's taller than wing chun "mole hill"

[Rolling_Hand]

Tiger Hand,

People ( Paul ) push you for action, so act.
Your life is happier without the extra hassle.
Now, please tell us why did you say such thing about the Bak Mei Grandmaster...

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Ma Yu Quang & co......Well....they just SUCK.
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[TIger Hand]

I push you to act and all i get are more of your CORNY FORTUNE COOKIE WISDOM!

Go stand on your head "wing chun mountain" looks bigger that way.

[Rolling_Hand]

You like to seize the day! But, paradoxically, movement forward means getting in touch with something you left behind - Paul has been waiting... !?

[TIger Hand]

So, look foward and not with your a$$ as you been doing on wing chun mountain.

I didn't know Paul hired you to be his spokesman.

I did answer him, if you are intelligent enough to read. If he wants to talk further Iam sure he will ask.

What is said between two kungfu practitioners could not possibly hold any interest to you

[jon]

"Stop putting so much pressure on yorself. It's time to listen to your imagination - Maybe your quick thinking saves yourself from collapse. - RH "
* I love it when you sign your comments:D Thanks for your advice you may yet save my life...

"They look good to me! Do you have a problem with yours?"
* Can i play to? I know you are, but what am I???

"You have a talent for creating a position where only Ninjas like hiding behind them."
* Ninja's are crazy and spend all day flipping out and killing people, this has been proven many times on this board...
http://www.ninja4hire.com/

"And who's to say you can't pull a rabbit out of a hat? hahaha..."
* I prefer to pull doves, the rabbit keeps biting my hand:(

"so, the answer is there for you, but don't resist the responsibility that comes with it. " gates from the back " and " thinking outside of the box "... they do go hand in hand. hum.... - RH"
* I dont have a box to think outside:D Where would i be if i confined my mind to such a strange object? Maybe you view such thinking as 'outside the box', for me its just thinking, why label it?

"Doubts may outweigh conviction, but what's new? Are you ready for the answer??? "
* I found out the hard way... Dont ask if your not ready for the answer.

"Here you go...
" find " is the wrong word, in Wing Chun kungfu, " feel " is the right word. This is just my 1/2 cent, please don't put so much pressure on yourself. - RH "
* Nice spin [pun intended], how do 'feel' a centre when its not fixed in space? The problem with the centreline is its always changing. The 'line' is a misconception, study physics you will see you have a c.o.g [centre of gravity] and that is a very finite point. This point will range in place according to the motion and force which is applied to the object. The line is nice but its only false security:D
The box, remember the box;)

"A few words for you... The fact that you don't get everything you aim for is good. It keeps you hungry. You wouldn't try so hard on a full stomach. - RH"
* Thank you for your insight, you see much. I am hungry but i fear my food is not what you might like to think. Even with a full belly would i be satisfied with just one flavor? Perhaps the best dish is the one you create yourself from the flavors you have tasted and enjoy? Milk Flour and Eggs are all great by themselfs but ohh the things that can be done when there mixed:D


Now of course my words for you:)
Keep hammering away you will eventualy find the curve in the strait and circle in the square.
You wont be the first and not the last but you will still understand.
Remember you play your fists there not played for you;) You may like to think its automatic but in reality is it really? Maybe automation is only maladjusted intent?

[Paul]

TIger hand:

Zhong Luo is my sifu. If you think his or his father's Bak Mei sucks, then I think that you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about. If I did (and I'm not saying that I do) happen to know what happened it certainly wouldn't be any of your business, now would it?

Paul

[TIger Hand]

Kwai Chang-

I can see you coming from the left, miles away.

Your cheap, outdated tactic, attempting to "divide and conquer" bak mei practitioners won't work.

We ALL know it was YOU who started the bak mei vs.wingchun thread. Which included your "warped" version of what happend in china.

So....keep "feeling", wingchun pu$ breath.....cause the only feel you will get is when a bak mei practitioner knocks the BONG SAO out of you.

[TIger Hand]

Paul-

You are definately right it is none of my business. An normally i wouldn't care what the hell happens in china. Iam just replying to what Kwai "the rolling" Caine says.

[Paul]

TIger hand:

Falling into a trap during the chase.
Unfortunate omen.

(I wanna be like rolling hand, LOL!)

Do you study Bak Mei?

[Rolling_Hand]

Tiger Hand
--I can see you coming from the left, miles away.

I don't think you have a clue !?!?
This is known as " Lin Sil Die Da " in Wing Chun. -RH

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Ma Yu Quang & co.......well....they just suck.

Quote from tiger hand

....it is none of my business
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Where's your center?
I guess you don't have it. You've taken on more than you can handle. -RH

[TIger Hand]

Paul-

It is unfortunate you didn't come out to defend your sifu rep. and let a D!CKLESS wonder as Kwai Chang to cast rumors about him.

Yes i do practice bak mei.

Kwai Chang-

Every kungfu uses "lin siu dia da". Is that all WC has to offer? WAKE UP, LOOK UP FROM THE ANT HILL, there is a much LARGER world out there than you are lead to believe.

Yes, it is none of my business whether Ma Yu Quang sucks or NOT.
Certainly, you would think so.

I didn't loose my center, I think you lost your focus!

FOCUS, FOCUS GRASSHOPPER! Maybe you should consult Master PO!

[Rolling_Hand]

--Wasn't there a master of Wing Chun who taught Bak Mei then after meeting Yip Man took up Wing Chun?

Showing someone the door isn't so easy. After meeting Wing Chun Grandmaster Yip Man, the Bak Mei master Leung Sheung no longer take kungfu loyalty for granted. Between Wing Chun and Bak Mei - If prospects are bad, abandon ship. If things look good, stay on board. Leung Sheung abandoned Bak Mei and bowed to Wing Chun. Thanks to Yip Man, someone saw the light at the end of tunnel.

[Buby]

Do you know who was leung Sheung's Pak Mei sifu?

Thanks in advance.

Buby

[Paul]

TIger hand:


It is unfortunate you didn't come out to defend your sifu rep. and let a D!CKLESS wonder as Kwai Chang to cast rumors about him.

What a joke. I don't think anyone on this forum is capable of damaging my sifu's rep. Why am I going to get worked up about some anonymous troll. In my opinion you are as big of a joke as Kwai Chang who you profess to so dislike. If people don't see rolling hand for what he is, that is their problem.

I came on to this thread to point out YOUR extreme ignorance in a matter that you had no business commenting on, which I think I did.

[jon]

Your running out of options and your starting to crasp at whats not there.
Relax and take heed in your skills, after all they cant be taken away, your only goal is self improvement so why scuttle your own WC boat?
Yip Man was good but was he really as skilled as he could be? Do you think he taught people the way he was trained? Why such large differences in non Yip Man Wing Chun?
Why did only four students recieve the full detail of his teaching [so they believe]?
Why do you think Yip Man saw fit to publicise what had previously been kept behind locked doors? Do you think he made concessions to allow for this to happen? Why the rivalry with Choy Lee Fut?
After all of this... How can you know your Wing Chun is as good as you have been led to believe?

Dont worry Trolling_Hand no one is going to force you to learn anything new or different. We all know how confusing and damaging that can be for a fragile mind.

Wing Chun may hold the key but do you even know where the door your trying to unlock might lead?

Look at me i can sound like a fortune cookie to, your smarter than i gave you creadit for Rolling_Hand:)

[TIger Hand]

Paul-

Well, if you consider me a joke like Kwai Chang then don' t respond to me, as you obviously did with him.

He was the first to comment on your sifu, and you said nothing.

I have the right to comment on anything I want, especially if you decided not too.

I take pleasure in making Kwai Chang look like an idiot. If you want to "turn the other cheek" that's great.

Otherwise, treat fairly and be true to your principles.

[Paul]

I take pleasure in making Kwai Chang look like an idiot. If you want to "turn the other cheek" that's great.

From where I sit all you are doing is making yourself look like an idiot.


He was the first to comment on your sifu, and you said nothing.

I realize what he is, no use wasting my time. I though you might not be a troll, but apparently I was wrong.



I have the right to comment on anything I want

.....and once again make yourself look stupid.


Otherwise, treat fairly and be true to your principles.

I recommend you worry about yourself before others. I have nothing more to say to you.

Paul

[Rolling_Hand]

people usually have good reason for being defensive. Pointing fingers won't help. Nor can expect anyone to be held accountable. You have the unenviable task of challenging a judgment. Begin with why this person sees things the way he does. Be diligent and you'll eventually master the situation. This is also known as * Kung Fu - Kuen Yao Som Fot *

You may feel burned at first, but helpful advice is constructive. A few words for you... there's more to friendship than listening to problems here. Let yourself enjoy this brighter side.

[Rolling_Hand]

--your smarter than i gave you credit for...

Although you're reluctant to admit it, a certain pain in your derriere is a plus. - RH

--Wing Chun may hold the key but do you even know where the door your trying to unlock might lead?

Showing one's hand too early gives away the game. A reward is postponed, but be a good sport. Your upbeat manner inpires a superior ( guess who? ) to make it up to you. Bide your time. You'll recognize what's Wing Chun when it appears. - RH

[Rolling_Hand]

here is the website - Leung Sheung

http://www.bawcsa.org/bio/LeungSheung.html

[jon]

Your comments as per usual only relate to what you directly can understand and structure into an argument.

"Although you're reluctant to admit it, a certain pain in your derriere is a plus. - RH "
* Never been relutctant about my opinion im proberly the most forward person i know. Still dont get to excited... 'Smarter than i gave you credit for', you dont know how smart i orginaly thought you were, do you? Besides what use is 'smart' when you depend totaly on your reflexs?

"Showing one's hand too early gives away the game."
* Only a brave fighter with total confidence in there technique can afford to be truely up front about what they do and who they are. I can understand you not wanting to take such risk.

"A reward is postponed, but be a good sport."
* The reward is not important, besides what reward?
The trip is all there is, when you get to your destination you will only find another place you want to see. Sit back and enjoy the ride, maybe in time you will stop to enjoy the scenery and the many differing landscapes. Give yourself up and you may yet find yourself again.

"Your upbeat manner inpires a superior ( guess who? ) to make it up to you."
* No disrespect but i dont regard you as a superiour, if you were posting under your real name and listed openly your sifu i would show you more respect. To me your just some bloke with a couple of years of wing chun and a hell of a lot of quotes from old texts. I can quote the classics too:D Does it mean i can apply them though? My superiors are my mentors and i look up to them, i have not recieved anything from you to elevate you to that level. Dont flatter yourself!
Still feel free to attempt to 'educate' me anytime you feel fit, just dont expect me to take it seriously, as you to me are just another faceless, nameless, WC mouth boxer.

"Bide your time. You'll recognize what's Wing Chun when it appears. - RH"
* Are you saying i havent seen Wing Chun? Pretty odd assumption, either way its not for me...
To structured and confined, footwork is weak, to based on reflex.
Instructors are always more involved in politics than actualy improving there art. Linage is more important than actualy being good. To much is kept back, to little is shown up front, application is cramped, power is offset by stance, to much relience on forwards moving techniques and strait lines.
This is all just my opinions though, if wc works for you then more power to you. For me it feels like trying to fight confined to a phone box.

Now i notice again [im perceptive i know] that you have missed MANY of the questions in my post. I cant help but get the feeling its becouse either you cant or dont want to answer them.
Considering your my superiour [appently] i would have thought you would be keen to rebut my 'mis' conceptions about your art?
Maybe you agree with me?

Come on Trolling_Hand you can do better i know it, dont 'find' a responce 'feel' one.

[TIger Hand]

Paul-

Where do you sit??? On WC mountain with the fool?

Well, if by your definition Iam a troll, then, you would not answer me again.

BUT you DID so who is the fool?

If you say it is none of my business what REALLY happened to your sifu or if there was even such a incident, FINE I didn't press you for the info, and it is not my business.

BUT don't say i don't have the right to comment on what was said publicly.

Yup, I can say whatever i wish, if that makes me look stupid then maybe you should move from Cali. and go join whats left of the Taliban. I heard they are still recruiting.

I don't need to worry about myself, because i don't say "I ignore trolls" and then answer me whom you consider as a troll.

Again, be true to your principles.

BYE, BYE Paul, its been a nice chat, since you have nothing more to say to me.

[vingtsunstudent]

hi jon,
not meaning to be rude but i think you may not actually have seen any descent wing chun.
'To structured and confined, footwork is weak, to based on reflex.
Instructors are always more involved in politics than actualy improving there art. Linage is more important than actualy being good. To much is kept back, to little is shown up front, application is cramped, power is offset by stance, to much relience on forwards moving techniques and strait lines.'
i am only up in newcastle & would be quite happy for you to come up for a day & let you see that there is some quality wing chun available either that or i could piont you to our sydney school so that you may find that what you have see already is not what is typical of good ving tsun.
either way i am sorry you have such a distorted view of how wing chun works.
vts

[TIger Hand]

Kwai Chang-

So, where is your answer for the judgment you have arrived at that makes you think WC mountain is so bright?

Why don't you begin with how you could not give yourself an enema and the sludge has now backed up into your brain. That's why you have to use your FORTUNE COOKIE scripter to post.

Haha......if you knew kungfu, you wouldn't have went from Tai Mantis to WC.

Trying to ride on Bruce Lee's coat tail? Kwai Chang?

[Rolling_Hand]

It isn't easy having to admit to a shortcoming. Now that it's out in the open, why be elusive?

What did I tell you?
Be diligent and you'll eventually master the situation. Try again, forthrightness turns a liability into a strength.

[Rolling_Hand]

Check to make sure you've still got support from VTS. Sentiments have changed, and you could find yourself left hanging. It might not be the right time to throw your weight around in front of our Wing Chun brothers. Just kidding! Jon, please rise above the melee... and we'll chat later.

[Rolling_Hand]

How is your Bak Mei? I've not forgotten you, I'm just too busy with my babe - Wing Chun.
At this moment, even I don't try to figure out the Wing Chun mountain - It's just too deep!!!!

Hey, don't let others speak for you. You have powerful intuition if you let yourself use it.

[TIger Hand]

Kwai Chang-

We all have shortcomings.......and yours is that you learn WC!

Busy with your babe WC? I didn't know you are a NECROPHILIAC!
Man, you are WIERD!

But thanks for sharing, another shortcoming of yours!

Keep it coming.......your FORTUNE COOKIE machine is working overtime!

[jon]

vingtsunstudent
* I appologise, i forgot in my haste that Rolling_Hand would not be the only one i was insulting. The comment was actualy bait which is why Rolling Hand wisely choose to dodge it [he's a slippery one that way]. There all common misconceptions of poor wing chun taught at low level. I know well that at higher levels and particualy in better schools the art opens up a lot.
I would be happy to see your stuff though if you do indeed train in the real deal, im pretty common to Newcastle i grew up there so its possible i might be able to pop in and see you guys. As i say i honestly just meant to get Rolling_Hand provoked into defending himself so i could pick on him further i did not mean to insult the whole WC population. Still ive got to admit i have not seen a lot of good WC down here and i have actualy seen a couple of schools. Then again they dont exactly show the good stuff to interested partys peeping though the door either do they:) Please dont take my comments to heart they were just bait for RH and where meant to be taken with a grain of salt.

Rolling_Hand
* Darn your no fun:)
"Jon, please rise above the melee... and we'll chat later."
* Ok im putting away my flame thrower but only on this one occasion:)

Respects
Jon

[Rolling_Hand]

--i would have thought you would be keen to rebut my 'mis' conceptions about your art?

Not all fights have to be engaged. People are so contrary, you could get into an argument over 2+2=4. Let them believe what they want.

--Maybe you agree with me?

You can talk yourself in and out of anything, so it's best to just focus on the facts at hand.
Why did this Bak Mei master Leung Sheung abandon Bak Mei for Wing Chun?
Why did this Futshan Bak Mei master stay in coma for ten days?
First, I must say I have nothing to against them, as a matter of fact, some of them are my distance families. I know them too well and I could break down the whole Bak Mei system like ABC. But that's not my interest. Life is just a moment to space, I'm standing on the top of Wing Chun mountain and enjoying fresh air at this moment.

[Buby]

"You can talk yourself in and out of anything, so it's best to just focus on the facts at hand.
Why did this Bak Mei master Leung Sheung abandon Bak Mei for Wing Chun?" - Maybe his Pak Mei sifu wasn't of the caliber of Yip Man. After all, Yip Man was the GM of WC, but who was his PM sifu? Or maybe PM was to deep for him to fully understand...In the link you gave me, it said he was known for his expertise in Dragon. Why not PM?

"Why did this Futshan Bak Mei master stay in coma for ten days?" - Maybe, he forgot to float like a butterfly and sting like bee.

"I know them too well and I could break down the whole Bak Mei system like ABC." - All of PM? CLC PM? Or just your line of PM?

"I'm standing on the top of Wing Chun mountain and enjoying fresh air at this moment." - enjoy it while you can....I hear a storm is half way up the mountain, can the foundation of your mountain handle it?

Sui-Fuw - Bro, darkness can be a good thing. Everything has it's time and place.;)

Buby

[CLOUD ONE]

You could go round in circles asking silly questions.

The only person who knows why Leung Sheung gave up BakMei for Wing Chun is himself, even then he may not even know why.
As to the other guy well even the sun shines on a dogs ass once in a while.

Buby- what storm are you talking about. Without the mountain where would you be?

[Rolling_Hand]

--it said he was known for his expertise in Dragon. Why not PM?

Before Wing Chun, Leung Sheung was known as a master of three style - Bak Mei, Lung Ying & Choi Li Fut.

--Maybe, he forgot to float like a butterfly and sting like bee.

Exactly! You can see how someone's oversight could cost.

--enjoy it while you can...

Thank you! I may not have a fortune or even a paper dollar to crinkle in my hand. But I do know my babe, Wing Chun - all shining in the Sun to light the way to evening.

--I hear a storm is half way up the mountain, can the mountain handle it?

There is a kind of hush all over the world tonight...
You can hear the sounds of wind and water!
Yerterday a child came out to wonder,
Fearful when the sky was full of thunder,
And tearful at the falling of a star...
And the seasons they go round and round,
So the years spin by
And the boy finally reached on the top of mountain.
Nobody else in sight,
Except this boy!!
Before the last devoling is through...
In Futshan People call him the King of Wing Chun.
Dr. Leung Jan
And the Wing Chun mountain.

[TIger Hand]

"Before Wing Chun, Leung Sheung was known as a master of three style - Bak Mei, Lung Ying & Choi Li Fut. "

Obviously, he wasn't able to master any of these; bak mei, lung ying and choy li fut. Bak mei is very diff. than the others and vice versa. Bak mei takes a lifetime to understand, some people will never be able to get "true" bak mei jing.

So, he settle for something much more simple, WC!

Why, is Yip Man a "relatively unknown" in the chinese kungfu community? What outstanding "claim to fame" can he make?

If it wasn't for Bruce Lee, he would be just another teacher of kungfu.

An we all know what Bruce thought about WC! Do i need to quote from the movies or his books?

I guess you didn't know that Wong Shun Leung lost to Ah Choy(lung Ying)........Why did this WC teacher loose?

Oh,.... my dear Kwai Chang......how can you even think to be able to comprehend a vastly advance and complex style as bak mei, when you don't even practice kungfu!

WC mountain is but a optical illusion, The veil that has been pulled over your eyes to imprison you! and turn you into a slave!FREE yourself from THE MATRIX.

[Buby]

"The only person who knows why Leung Sheung gave up BakMei for Wing Chun is himself, even then he may not even know why." - True

"As to the other guy well even the sun shines on a dogs ass once in a while." - :D

"Buby - what storm are you talking about." - No disrespect intended, but figure it out. Rolling hand did.

"Without the mountain where would you be?" - on level ground, searching for a mountain to climb.



Rolling Hand - Thank you for your reply.

Buby

[jon]

"Not all fights have to be engaged. People are so contrary, you could get into an argument over 2+2=4. Let them believe what they want. "
*Well i have a really big stick, will a nail in it. I believe what i want and i make my own darn answers:D

"You can talk yourself in and out of anything, so it's best to just focus on the facts at hand. "
* Hang on, hang on! We dont have any 'FACTS' here, do we? If we did surely we would have nothing left to talk about, no?

"Why did this Bak Mei master Leung Sheung abandon Bak Mei for Wing Chun? "
* All of us gravitate to what fits us and what we naturaly have tendency to understand. Maybe Leung Sheung simply had a personal interest in Wing Chun and when he found a sifu jumped at the chance?

"Why did this Futshan Bak Mei master stay in coma for ten days? "
* Maybe becouse he was brutaly beaten by someone who really should have had a little more restraint?
Maybe becouse the health care system in china leaves a lot to be desired. Maybe he had a previous health condition and the fight aggrevated it. Maybe maybe maybe maybe, ohh speculation is such fun.

"First, I must say I have nothing to against them, as a matter of fact, some of them are my distance families."
* Odd comment, you advertise there personal injurys...

"I know them too well and I could break down the whole Bak Mei system like ABC. But that's not my interest. "
* Thats cool man :) I can fly and perform multiple chi shooting finger movements. As a matter of fact i can break down any martial arts system and then do it better than you can. Here look how big my .... is, ZIP:eek:

"Life is just a moment to space, I'm standing on the top of Wing Chun mountain and enjoying fresh air at this moment."
*Why build mountains in your mind when you could just enjoy what comes?
Enjoy the air while its fresh but if you stay to long in one place you may find it tastes sour. Keep your direction and dont lose your head. Still remember to stop every once in a while and acknowledge others forging there own paths, after all we all seek the same goal :D
Sniff, and i thought you had all but given up on me :)

[fiercest tiger]

You see rolling elbow, the fact is Wingchun is a good fighting system yes very true, as is judo when performed properly!

why didnt yip man fight CLC?

you must know this answer, you are wingchun arent you?

if you answer these properly ill not post the answer, which i may not do anyway as it may hurt your feelings.

goodluck in your little spring time!:) wingchun mountain maybe a creator not a beautiful place?

cya
FT

[FIRE HAWK]

I herd Leung Sheungs Wing chun resembals Bak Mei and that he put a Bak Mei flavor to his Wing Chun such as some of its principles he used in his Wing Chun and in the way they move in there stances and perform there techniques .

[Rolling_Hand]

--So, he settle for something much more simple, WC!

* Simple * is the key!
This is what puts you on the map. - RH

If you want to know more about WSL and Wing Chun?
Here they are...
WSL - David Peterson
http://www.geocities.com/omidshayan/opening.html
And Wing Chun Museum
http://www.vtmuseum.org

[Rolling_Hand]

--After all we all seek the same goal.

Wake up!!! You are da politican but I am an engineer.

--i thought you had all but given up on me.

Just can't teach darn old dog anymore new trick!

[jon]

Well i should have seen that comming, run out of things to say and turn to insults huh?
Very well...

"Wake up!!! You are da politican but I am an engineer."
* Im nothing but someone who doesnt always see things your way. This Doesnt mean i have no respect for you only that i like to occasionaly debate certain points. Put us both in boxes and titles if it helps you to feel better.

"Just can't teach darn old dog anymore new trick!"
* How typical, you run out of points your capable of making and then try to swing things around to make it look like your teaching me. I learn my lessons from real martial artists not computerised fortune cookies.

You like to play but you cant handle the game when others play by the same rules.
I honestly expected more from you, your post had nasty edge to it and fair enough i was picking on you.
Still your the one trolling if you dont like what you recieve stop sticking your head on the chopping block.
Goodbye Rolling_Hand

[Rolling_Hand]

haha... you got it all wrong. Jon, I do think you're the only one who could play with me here. But you let sentiment influence you.

You've had too much stimulus lately. A long walk will clear the mind. You must be impartial. Don't let sentiment or vindictiveness influence you. Roles are reversed - you couldn't deal with my Wing Chun Chi Sau - * ENERGY *

BTW, besides my babe, you are the second best!

[Rolling_Hand]

--why didnt yip man fight CLC?

I've spoken to many WC friends, even Yip Man's sons have no idea about this story between Yip Man and CLC. I'd like to learn about this story if you'd like to share. Thanks in advance!

[TIger Hand]

* Simple * is the key!
This is what puts you on the map. - RH

Oh.....my god........Kwai Chang...I KNEW you gonna say something like that.....that's why i specifically choose that word!

Yup, on a map that leads NOWHERE!

It's obvious, you are "predictable", just like WC is suppose to be!

Shortest distance between 2 pts. is a straight line....
Uh...huh... but do you always want to travel in a straight line?

"Simple" is the key....?
Always trying to make simple; a situation that is fluid, dynamic, ever changing, and totally unpredictable. Hmmmm...sounds familiar? (hint: The little Dragon)

I can see you have not freed yourself from the MATRIX,
grasshopper!

WHY, do i need to visit the site of the loser?........so, I can lose more efficiently?

[TIger Hand]

"I've spoken to many WC friends, even Yip Man's sons have no idea about this story between Yip Man and CLC."

Because their is no story, CLC doesn't fight UNKNOWNS. He fought reputed champions to better himself and bak mei style.

Also, Yip Man is prob. a non-violent buddhist who values his own life.

[jon]

"But you let sentiment influence you. "
* You hit the nail on the head my friend, I appologise for doing my bolt. Its been a bad few days for me, relaxation and keeping center can be hard when the rest of the world spins for you:(

"You've had too much stimulus lately. A long walk will clear the mind. You must be impartial. Don't let sentiment or vindictiveness influence you. Roles are reversed - you couldn't deal with my Wing Chun Chi Sau - * ENERGY *"
* I walked around and around and around, come to think of it my mind is still doing circles:)
Sentiment was involved but you were not the the one to cause it im sorry for being so jumpy.
Your WC Chi Sau energy has me beat... but for this round only :)

Keep sticking and ill keep spinning :D Hopefully we both get what we want in the end.
Jon

[fiercest tiger]

correct weight!

[Rolling_Hand]

FT,

You finally get approval from Tiger Hand - Is it a double-edged victory?? You seem to be so proud of Tiger Hand!?!?

Another thing - you argument has more holes than swiss cheese, but don't give up on what you've worked hard for. These Wing Chun fighters aren't so easy to deal with... LOL, good luck to you next time.

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Tiger Hand,

Jealousy isn't a feeling anyone wants to admit to. Instead of underming a rival, ask yourself what you can learn from this person.

Do you want me to show you the Sil Nim Tao or Chut Dim Muy Fah? hahaha... You don't want to lose that element of surprise.

You can either move forward or turn back. Covering your bases hasn't done much to secure your position. So boldly carry on. Try again... whip me if you can.... hahaha!!!

[Rolling_Hand]

Nervous fretting has become a habit. Channel some of that energy into analyzing a situation, and you'll experience a decrease in nail-biting.

Round two
Warning... I'm no Virgin Mary, I'm the wild one... LOL

[fiercest tiger]

I have no beef with any wingchun and one of my old instructors was a wingchun instructor, which i did for 3-4 years. i dont know wingchun like i do ykm but i have dabbled in it.:)

any fight is hard if the opponent is good, one day you will meet your match my friend, and hope you dont get to hurt!:rolleyes:

There is no next time, i run a business i have no place in fighting!

you win rolling hand, your too tough...happy chinese new year to you.:)

[Rolling_Hand]

Hey, my friend... we need more nice people like you in this world.

I hate to tell ya this... YOU ARE THE BEST!

[fiercest tiger]

lolol, say it again! hahaha

later
FT:D

[Rolling_Hand]

LOL

[TIger Hand]

"Jealousy isn't a feeling anyone wants to admit to. Instead of underming a rival, ask yourself what you can learn from this person."

Good, so ask yourself what can you learn from bak mei! Instead of undermining it. Like I said to other people here "STICK TO YOUR PRINCIPLES" or in your case your FORTUNE COOKIE script.

I don't need to undermine you or WC, the truth is self evident. All you have to do is ask the right questions.

"Do you want me to show you the Sil Nim Tao or Chut Dim Muy Fah?"

You don't need to show me "the LITTLE thought" or any other WC. I go to Graduate school, I passed elementary!

In the words of the immortal "Jackson 5", WC is- ABC easy as 123.......

"whip me if you can"....

You were whipped the moment you went from Tai- Mantis to WC, Kwai Chang. You just didn't know it!

[jon]

"Nervous fretting has become a habit."
* You are right again, too much past trouble to properly compose my reactions. See what i mean about automation;)

"Channel some of that energy into analyzing a situation, and you'll experience a decrease in nail-biting. "
* I think i need to give posting silly pointless rubbish a rest, ive been jumping on every arguement ive come accross. Im not really needed here and im only serving my own ends. Dueling and debating is always fun, however the effects of always trading blows are starting to take effect. Adversity is great to learn from but it should not become part of your personality.
I will heed your advice and stop being so impulsive, time is drawing when i need to stop and take a step back.

"Round two
Warning... I'm no Virgin Mary, I'm the wild one... LOL"
* I will be back for another round, just need a little time to improve and refine my game plan:)
You are a wild one but in between your trolls you certainly show your true colours.
Thanks, you may not have even realised it but you said what i had been needing to hear.
Good luck Rolling_Hand
May WC mountain continue to provide new and exciting things to see and do:D
Jon

[Rolling_Hand]

--so ask yourself what can you learn from Bak Mei!

Well... IMHO... not much!
Bak Mei = Jennifer Holliday = A big fat lady
Wing Chun = Snow White = Less is more
It's time to conserve energy and resources. Prospects improve by beautiful Springtime - Wing Chun.

--I don't need to undermine you or WC, the truth is self evident.

No argument here!!!
Take a head count. Jon, FT and Paul.
It's clear, then, it's your problem, not their.

--All you have to do is ask the right questions.

Okay, try this...
How do you pull an elephant out of a hat?

[Rolling_Hand]

--i can see buby my brother yet you ignore to what he asks?

Warning : Though you're vindicated, it also leases you wishing things had turned out differently.

To clear your ( Sui-fuw ) mind...
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Rolling hand - Thank you for your reply.

Buby
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[Buby]

I thanked you for your reply, but I never said you answered my question. Leung Jan was king of the mountain....Are you Leung Jan?

Thanks in advance!

Sui,
Be easy bro! Yeah man, it's a scary time to be up and above. I wish you the best. Don't forget your hiking boots. ;)

Take care,

Buby

[vingtsunstudent]

hi jon
must have missed your reply earlier.
a newie boy hey, well it is a small world.
how do handle going goin' from gods country to that silly old sydney place?
anyways, let me know when you would like to call in & meet.
vts

[jon]

Hey VTS I hope your well.
Dont mind the quoting its just my style, makes it easyer to organise my thoughts:)

"a newie boy hey, well it is a small world.
how do handle going goin' from gods country to that silly old sydney place?"
* Sydney is good for two reasons... Kung fu masters and good looking ethnic women.
Newcastle.... man, i miss the beach, the friendly people, the attitude, the way everybody knows somebody who happens to know you. The last time i went to two clubs and ran into three girls i used to know well. Most of all i miss walking down the mall and perving on all the beach girls.
The place rocks for so many reasons, yet it still has its problems, the lack of anything to do other than the beach proberly being the major one:)
Still i have some close friends there and make it a point to visit reguarly.

"anyways, let me know when you would like to call in & meet. "
* I will certainly do, im actualy going up this weekend for a friends birthday bash but i dont think ill have time to go visiting. Still i will certainly try and get round to seeing you guys at some stage, im happy to know there is good kf in Newcastle. Just make sure you actualy get some of those beach loving, barbaque eating, beer drinkers to train :p Darn i miss em :(

Sorry for the long winded post but its always nice to hear from another novacastrian.
Best of luck in your training and ill contact you when ive got some free time.
Respects and regards
Jon

P.S I respect anyone from Newcastle, the place is nice and sweet but can also be hard as nails. They blue like rockets up in Newcastle. I havent seen the quality of half of Newys street fighters in many Sydney ma schools. Thats what i keep going back, this place makes me soft;)

[vingtsunstudent]

cool jon
and yes i know all to well how hard some of these newie boys are having served 7 of my 8 years as a bouncer at the JR(i am presuming you know of this lovely little nightspot)
anyways it would be cool to meet whenever you get the chance.
i do have a shed at home that is actually my gym & it is always open so even if our classes are unavailable we can still have some fun in sharing (if you know what i mean;) )
cheers & enjoy your party
vts

[Rolling_Hand]

--I thanked you for your reply, but I never said you answered my question. Leung Jan was King of the mountain....Are you Leung Jan?

Leadership isn't a popularity contest... even for Rolling_Hand, LOL! but I don't expext others to understand.

Leung Jan was King of the mountain, I'm just the wind and water of the mountain. In other words, if you can't beat'em, then join'em. This small dose of forsight should soothe anxious spirits of Sui-fuw.

[Buby]

"Leadership isn't a popularity contest... even for Rolling_Hand, LOL!" - Leader of what?


"but I don't expext others to understand." - Actually I do understand...YKM leads and all else follow.LOL I've got your I love YKM t-shirt right here.LOL

Buby

[fiercest tiger]

**** man, where is my tshirt!:(

nothing but love baby..hahaha:D

[Rolling_Hand]

--YKM leads and all else fellow...

haha...you've been down this road before, just lining up all your ducks in a row pays off when you realize one aim after another.
YKM t-shirt!? Save one for Tiger Hand. FT, it's not too early to dream up new objectives....LOL, try door # 3 (?).

[fiercest tiger]

lol its like money or the box right?

YOU STILL ARE A WINNER EITHER WAY!..LOL

Later
FT:D

[Rolling_Hand]

Not even you know where Buby gets his strength these days.

I'll do it my way... I've a date with my blonde!

[fiercest tiger]

how much are those blow up dolls?:D

[fiercest tiger]

Did i ever tell you that i used to work in the sex industry?

call me tripod TIGER!;)

[fiercest tiger]

For some i have both!:D

[Rolling_Hand]

FT,

This is a good time to shop for Buby. But you needn't get exotic... hahaha!!!!

[TIger Hand]

Jealousy isn't a feeling anyone wants to admit to. Instead of underming a rival, ask yourself what you can learn from this person. - RH's Fortune cookie script.

"--so ask yourself what can you learn from Bak Mei!

Well... IMHO... not much!"- RH's Fortune again.

My dear, Kwai Chang..........You are not only predictable.........You are contradictory.

Cannot stick to your principles can you?

"* Simple * is the key!
Wing Chun : Simple & Direct"- Kwai Chang

"At this moment, even I don't try to figure out the Wing Chun mountain - It's just too deep!!!! "- Kwai Chang

From Random House Dictionary-

Deep-
1.extending far down from top.
2. having a specified depth
3. difficult to penetrate or comprehend
4. profound or intense

Simple-
1. easy to solve learn or do
2. plain, unadorned
3. of humble origin
4. lacking in intelligence, half witted

Can you say OXYMORON

You seem to be troubled, is it you or the style you practice....? prob. a little of both.

Where's your center?
I guess you don't have it. You've taken on more than you can handle.

Heed, your own warnings Kwai Chang......time to remember Master Po's lesson.

[Rolling_Hand]

You're trying to do too much at once and are scattering your energy. Pick one thing to focus on and see it through to the end. This will center you.

Try again!
How do you pull an elephant out of the hat?

You intuitive flashes are spot on. It's when you to explain yourself that you run into trouble.

[TIger Hand]

Find your center first then we can talk!

You have trouble focusing on the complex task at hand..... Unfortunately, you are a product of your training (WC).

"Try again!
How do you pull an elephant out of the hat?"

NO, YOU try again....you are asking the wrong questions Kwai Chang.........

The Matrix has a stronger hold on you than I thought.

[Rolling_Hand]

Don't try to resist the pull. Only by addressing the question on hand can you hope to move on.

So try again!!!
How do you pull an elephant out of the hat???

[jon]

"cool jon
and yes i know all to well how hard some of these newie boys are having served 7 of my 8 years as a bouncer at the JR(i am presuming you know of this lovely little nightspot)"
* HAHAHAH yes i certainly know the JR, i can tell your WC skills would have to be up to the task already;) Big drunk football players, god luv em:eek:
I used to do the security plus audio and lighting for my old work, it was a stand up comedy venue, so yeah i had to be HARD!!!(sarcasim meter off the chart)
I did still get to throw several people out and had many small 'incidents', funny part is im not exactly scary looking:) Still im a confident little basted when i want to be;)

I will certainly try and get some time to hook up with you, when i was a newie boy i was never aware we even had cma up there. I used to study Rhee Tae Kwon Do up there for four years, ill never admit that here again either:p

Ahh Newcastle girls, darn they fine:D :) :D

Catch you soon with some luck, feel free to contact me off forum and we can try and arange things.
Jon

[Buby]

I'm gone for a few and ****:eek:

Rolling I got your sex toy right here...Big Girl...Opps I mean big boy. :D I heard through the grape vine that you wear underwear that says I jock YKM.LOL Now I know what you meant by you flowing like the river. Oh **** you freak!

Sifu, I told you it was our lil secret.:D **** Ozzies can't be trusted.LOL

Sui-Fuw - I saw sifu first! He's mine I tell you. Go get your own Ozzy.LOL

Take care fellas,
Buby

[TIger Hand]

One must lift themselves out of CONTRADICTION and CONFUSION ; not attempt to pull the guiding light into it!

Free your mind Kwai Chang.........FREE YOUR MIND!

[TIger Hand]

Buby-

I new he was weird the moment he mentioned his "baby" who has been dead for hundreds of years!!

YUKKKKK!.......... Freak man!.......

Must be the cold air in canada

[Buby]

Could be the air or might be the bud. I heard they have some pretty powerful shhh out in Canada.:D

Be easy!

Buby

[vingtsunstudent]

hi jon
we have had our school up here for near on 13 years, although we aren't in the full on mainstream.
do you mind me asking from what part of newie your from?
anyways we shall meet.
til next time
vts

[Rolling_Hand]

What's your style of Ving Tsun?

Are you from Jim Fong Sifu's school?

[vingtsunstudent]

no
wong shun leung>barry lee

do you mind me asking for your lineage.
vts

[Rolling_Hand]

Ving Tsun, TWC, Futshan Wing Chun

WSL is one of them.

[jon]

"do you mind me asking from what part of newie your from?"
* Not all all, Bolton Point.
Its just near Toronto on Lake Macquarie.

Keep well and ill catch up with you soon with some luck, im still stoked to hear Newcastle has some good kung fu. I have to admit though that not many advertise in Newcastle except for the big commercial gyms.
Good on you guys, its good to hear Newcastle may finaly get a shot of some culture hehe

Newcastle is working class... without the class... Come to think of it - bugger all working either :p
hehe J\K, i still have a big soft spot for the place. Do you know if there is any other cma up there yet?
Catch you soon
Jon

[vingtsunstudent]

hmmmm, toronto
now there are some mad muthas out that way. don't know of a guy named tony cluff at all do you.
there is also another wing chun school believe it or not(jim fungs lineage) & we all get on quite well, the head instructor of our school & theirs are actually life long friend & started their wc together under the same sifu many years ago.(a guy named greg chio i believe)
other than that there is only the tai chi people to my knowledge.
i personally used to travel to gosford every sunday to learn jow gar under andy truong but once he stopped gonig to gosford his sydney classes became out of reach.
i also found & harrassed an old chinese guy for 2 years to teach me some lung ying, which he did.
what was shown was not an original form though but more all his personal favorite techniques linked into a single form.he apparently had a reputation for being a bit of a bad man amongst the chinese community.
this guy had amazing power for someone who had retired many years ago.he gave me a demo where he kicked this bin made from steel & i do mean made from real steel, all i could think was ouch & oh the insanity.
i was his first & only western student but unfortunetly he sold their business & is now back in sydney.
again good to talk
vts