Militants on this Website?

[Fu-Pow]

Looking through a lot of the posts in the main forum I see a trend. There is a lot of references to kicking people's ass, who's tougher than who, guns and knives, SWAT teams, military operations, UFC, NHB, Jujitsu, challenges, ninjas, porn, etc. (Which is what I'd expect out of a bunch of 15 year old boys. )

And in addition a lot of OT posts have an overtly anti-government tone.

To expand this point....

There seems to be a definite division between those who do martial arts for health, character development, spiritual development, self-defense, social interaction, to learn about another culture, etc.

And those who do martial arts to prove how tough they are, to compensate for their small ding-ding, for self-offense, as part of their fascination with other military type actvities and are only interested in techniques to hurt people.

Why do you think this is the case? Who are these militants posting on this website?

Isn't kung fu supposed be as much about peace as it is about war?

[Tigerstyle]

I have an interest in most of the things in your first paragraph, and I study martial arts "for health, character development, spiritual development, self-defense, social interaction, to learn about another culture, etc."

What side am I on? ;)

[Shaolindynasty]

"Isn't kung fu supposed be as much about peace as it is about war?"

Yes.


I think most of the types mentioned above on these boards don't really practice kungfu. I still can't figure out why you'd post on a kungfu board if you don't practice kungfu but oh well.

[apoweyn]

i second the question. i think you're making some gross generalizations about people. why is it not possible to be interested in what the UFC can teach us, enjoy military-style video games, and still be concerned with character development?

why do you feel the need to classify people that way? or to cast judgments about people's maturity, the size of their units (especially curious, that one), or the emotional complexity of their motivations?


stuart b.

[Paul]

Are you a liberal Fu Pow? because you sure sound like one.

the martial arts ARE what you as a person make them for yourself.

there are quite a few former military people on this forum which could explain some of the interest in things military.

[KC Elbows]

Paul, when did this turn into a conservative vs. liberal thread?

Fu-Pow,
Think you had it right with the fifteen year old kids thing, although you could adjust it to say "15 year old minds." Of course, I'm just a liberal, so what do I know?

[Paul]

Paul, when did this turn into a conservative vs. liberal thread?

Just a couple of minutes ago. Weren't you paying attention. heh.

[apoweyn]

there's a huge difference between introducing things like porn to the forum and introducing discussion about NHB, SWAT tactics, martial arts in the military, etc. the former has no bearing. the latter has bearing depending on your particular view of gung fu.

for some, these things are extremely relevant to gung fu. or to martial arts overall. to my mind, that's okay.

there is a lot of juvenile behavior on this forum, certainly. i'm as guilty as anyone. but there is a definite difference between varying priorities and flat out immaturity. people shouldn't be judged harshly for priorities that don't constantly emphasize anyone else's idea of character development, etc.


stuart b.

[Ray Pina]

I guess I could be guilty of all those things. I will certainly place DEFENSE at the top of my martial arts list. I'll talk about the UFC and NHB -- thought I don't know tons about them -- they intrest me because they are considered a top forum for fighters, and I want to be a top fighter, excuse me, but kicker. I don;t want to fight, just beat these men badly.

OK, so where was I. The Chinese, love them. I would cosnider myself a Doaist is a Doaist would consider such a thing. I was introduced into Chinese philosophy early, I began studying Isshin-Ryu at four. I had the weapons, the books, the movies, the scrolls, the chopsticks -- all of it. I was a ninja for Halloween howm many times as a kid? Dann, who could remember?

But knives? I love them. Love swords too. Wish I had a gun. It must be great to have a gun and feel all powerful the way God must feel when he's holding a gun (Simpsons);) .

But really, I do't look so deeply into these things. It's a forum, I',m at work and killing some slow time. Actually going to be here late so getting some free time in.

As for anti-gov. I know I've been accused of this. It's really not that I'm anti government, but pro freedom of independant thought. Here goes an example, get ready to write back all ****ed: "I would not call men who were willing to fly into a building killing themsleves cowards." I wrote that. No one has to agree with me, I'm not representing a style or anything, just my own thoughts. I live this country but I'm wise enough to know that more than afew people around the world are hurting because of our actions -- some would call them selfish, others maybe even gready. Is that anti-governemnt, or pro human being. I consider myself a man before an American. As a man I have certain principles: honesty, honor, and accountability. When one of our bombs go awry, I do not think collateral damage, I think, some one's poor father, mother, sister, brother, just got killed by us. This happens a lot. It's not good. I guess it could be called bad then.

Anyway, we are all people here, not personifications of a favorite kung fu movie monk. We are diverse, bring our own individual backgrounds.

What's imoprtant is that we keep the MA discussios real. With said said, your spiritual development rests on your shoulders. not your sifus. As an adult, or I'd say anyone over 15, you should be thinking about your place in this thing we call life. What power do you have? Do you have a say over what happens to you? Or are we subject to the wind, vulnerable.

Me personally, I'd argue both. I believe we can shape our lives like we can shape our thoughts BUT soemtimes ... well, sometimes things happen. My mother died young, lost lots of friends. In hind sight, I'm a better person for it .. but this is not the place or venue for that, that is personal, just like the other spiritual aspects. Fighting is something concrete that can be discussed.

Sun Tzu said War can be mastered because it can be analyzed, measured, calculated. I agree with him.

I for one do not like the idea of war or violence but because it is unavoidable, or at least has been the entire natural history of our planet all the way down to ants (they've been warring for millenia) I want to acquaint myself with it. I had a karate class mate murdered when I was a kid. He had his head opened by a pipe and then run over by a van. Violence is real, and like most real things that are not pretty people want to tuck them away. If its not there and we don't talk about it maybe it will go away. Wrong. When you become aquainted with soemthing you become familiar with it, which removes the fear angle, and then you can be moved to proper action.

My two cents: ping ping

[KC Elbows]

I agree, some of the stuff is close to the topic(SWAT stuff, etc.).

And Paul, I understand your pain, but pointing fingers at the liberals won't fix the economy. There's always trickle-down economics.:D

I'm a bad forum member.

[fa_jing]

wtf are you talking about? Militant = military = martial = martial arts. Approximately. Furthermore, some of us have opinions and a personality outside of the martial arts and don't observe YOUR restrictions when we post here. Anti-government? Are you the frickin thought police???
-FJ

[red5angel]

I was on an anti-terrorist team in the USMC and I enjoyed the hell out of it, but I did it to help keep the peace. Same with my MA, I do it to keep the peace. Maybe if I can persuade an attacker or two to think twice next time before doing unto others, then maybe, just maybe I have made an impact.

[red5angel]

Also, I am offended at the idea that because I was in the military, have some interest in it, and do the martial arts, I am a militant.

[Mutant]

yes there are a lot of diversified and interesting personalities here...so what?

thats what makes life, and this board (well, usually) interesting.

whats wrong with being fascinated with martial arts training for my different reasons? many of the folks here, including myself, train to fulfill the reasons you stated in your 1st paragraph, as well as a great array of different reasons that suite our eclectic personalities. which certainly makes it interesting.

yes its as much about peace as it is about war....thats where the yin and yang intertwine. some years i have found inspiration in the spiritual and meditative side of training, and that has kept me interested. other years i have been more into the competition side, or the reality fighting side. sometimes i train for peace and at other times for combat...but whatever the reason, at least it has kept me constantly training and developing. thats the beauty of these arts, theyre multi-dimensional and many different things to different people.

sometimes there is a lot of testosterone thrown around here but that can be part of the fun and an outlet while we're stuck at work. maybe it wouldnt hurt for you, fu-pow, to diversify a bit and become more well-rounded and understanding of fellow martial artists. but i guess thats why you posted, right?

[red5angel]

Besides, isnt this a martial arts forum? I understand that it is healthy for you, but most of the itme it may not be healthy for someone else! Serioulsy, you come to a martial arts forum to complain about all teh people talking about the martial way?

[Mutant]

by the way, paul, i am way more liberal than conservative and you can kiss my ass if you don't like it. :cool:

[rogue]

I don't do martial arts...
for health ( I lift weights, do cardio and eat right)

character development( this happens mostly due to my wife, kids, family and friends)

spiritual development( Church )

self-defense(sorry but most systems are useless as normally taught).

I'm pro-gov't as long as the Gov't makes a good attempt at upholding the constitution and doesn't trample the Bill of Rights. I show my concern over issues by voting in every election.

I have friends in the business which is why I have a big interest in "SWAT tactics" and military operations. I'm lucky enough to know people with first hand knwlge of what works and what doesn't in the field. These people are martial artists and warriors. They're where the action is, which isn't the kwoon or dojo. Do you think that peacful little monks developed the Kwan Doa?

"Isn't kung fu supposed be as much about peace as it is about war?"
:rolleyes:

[KC Elbows]

Mutant,
Keep in mind, as a conservative, Paul's not gonna touch your ass. They just don't do that. To insult conservatives, its really important to remind them that you are helping pay for their welfare mothers.

Now try again.

[Paul]

by the way, paul, i am way more liberal than conservative and you can kiss my ass if you don't like it.

Typical liberal thing to say. There will be no ass kissing.

[Budokan]

LOL! Good one, KC. Even their poster boy Rush Limburger was on the dole once--a topic he doesn't like to be well known, but it's a fact nonetheless.

Anyway, being interested in topics outside MA doesn't make you a militant. It just means you're less of a geek than someone who ONLY thinks about MA. And while there are some aspects of MA that are certainly devoted to peace, there are also aspects devoted to war. As already mentioned, the kwan do wasn't invented to cut birthday cakes for 3 year old children, now was it...?

[KC Elbows]

See mutant. Conservatives are touchy about asses. Its a donkey thing. Anyway, they only kiss them at election time.

[Paul]

LOL!

[Kristoffer]

what kind of a ***** thread is this?? I just wanna tell u that I'm much better fighter than you and I can KICK your ass to the moon.. I also enjoy watching yo mommas online porn!
I am a militant and I hate the goverment!! :rolleyes:

yeeeeah that's right.. :rolleyes:

[Sam Wiley]

How is porn militant?:confused:

[Mutant]

Hahaha thats a, good point.
i forgot that a conservative would take that old saying so literally.

did you ever see the south park episode where cartman says to the his teacher 'suck my balls'.....and the teachers response is 'present them to me' and it totally shuts cartman up? anyway, that was funny.

and yeah, whats wrong with porn? you say that like its a bad thing...

[Fu-Pow]

Boy... that really drove the bugs out of the woodwork, didn't it?

I'm not really a liberal or a conservative, if you read my title I'm a Taoist Humanist.

If you consider Humanism =Liberalism then I guess I am a "liberal".

[Paul]

Liberal! Clinton lover!

[apoweyn]

'bugs out of the woodwork'?

curious. that doesn't sound very daoist or very humanist to me.

always amazes me how hostile so-called humanists can get. this thread has been belligerent from the start. why? how is that humanistic? how does it reflect a level of refinement that we 'bugs' lack?

actually, don't worry about it. do your thing.


stuart b.

[Badger]

I love liberals: they make great moving targets.



"Politically Correct = Lobotomized & Castrated.":)






Badger

[KC Elbows]

You just wait till we get your guns taken away. Then our leaders can sleep with your conservative school-mum wives without fear of reprisals.

It'll really tick you off when we actually give funds to the schools you send your children to.

BTW, kung fu has made me a better person, but I'm sure you can all see that from my behavior on this thread.:)

OK, enough of partisan fighting. Let us all come together in the name of Michelle Yeoh!

[JWTAYLOR]

KC, I couldn't have said it better myself...I too believe we should all come together on Michelle Yeoh.

JWT

[KC Elbows]

**** it, JWT, that's not the politically correct way to say it!!

As the official KFO minister of political correctness, I need to ammend that to say:

I too believe we should all come together on Michelle Yeoh IN A MUTUALLY CONSENTUAL MANNER.

There. I feel a lot better.

Hang on, I gotta go hug a tree.

[African Tiger]

Answer: Crying out loud.

Question: What do liberals do all day?

"Can I have 'I did not have sex with that woman...' for 1000 lies please" :D

Seriously, Fu-Pow this isn't ancient China or empirical Japan - as it was explained to me on the board. People don't have respect for people anymore. There are a lot of worthless jac-offs in the world who enjoy pushing the buttons of people who just want to be left alone.

I myself had to deal with one of them all last week. I finally had to threaten him "with intense physical harm from which he would have a great difficulty recovering", and he finally shut his foul mouth.

I think if we were living in more honorable times, it would be much easier to walk the way of the peaceful warrior. This of course would be next to impossible, unless one were living in a third world country. But ala Dennis Miller, "That's just my opinion, I could be wrong..."

[Arioch7]

**** straight!

[African Tiger]

The peaceful warrior, or the anti-liberal rant?

Either one deserves applause! :p :D

[Arioch7]

I have been in a few fights but I have NEVER lifted my hand in violence against a person.

I have however, fought to defend myself several times in this life.

So the answer to your question is both.

[Fu-Pow]

Just look at how the Bush administration behaves and you will see the opposite of Wu De. They don't even remotely follow the Art of War in their approach to warfare. Take for example their intent to fight many battles on many fronts.

Clinton may have been a philanderer but he was very much like Sun Tzu in his approach to military power. In the way that he picked his battles wisely.

[DelicateSound]

OK, Mr Pigeonhole. I:

*Am a Socialist.
*Practise Kung Fu cause I like Kung Fu.
*Have never been in the military or owned a gun.
*Hate Conservatives [come to the UK].
*Prefer Zyang Xi [sp?] to Michelle Yeoh.
*Am ambivalent towards UFC.
*Can't always pick my battles.
*Am an obsessed "character-improver"(C)
*Am frequently amused by my own flatulence.

Yet I still make OK posts [no-one dare question that!] without sounding like a 15-year old.

Where am I in your wall of pigeonholes?

[Fu-Pow]

Sorry, wasn't trying to pigeonhole anyone. Obviously you have a maturity beyond your years. There are some people that post here that have maturity below their years. That's who I'm alluding too.

However, your dead wrong about one thing....

it's Michelle Yeoh all the way.!!!!

[DelicateSound]

Yeah, I know what you mean. There are some pretty single-minded posts. I do myself make the odd one [usually counter-trolling] :D

Since New Years "all time low" it's nice to see some real KF related topics again, but I guess there will always be idiots in the world. Unfortunately, as Harvey Danger would say:

"All around the world I fing that only stupid people are breeding
The cretins cloning and feeding"

Michelle was nicest in Tomorrow Never Dies..... that kinky black wet-suit.... :D

[tnwingtsun]

Semper Fi.......




"It is not the critic who counts, not the man who points out how the strong man stumbled, or where the doer of deeds could have done better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena; whose face is marred by the dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs and comes short again and again; who knows the great enthusiasms, the great devotions and spends himself in a worthy course; who at the best, knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who, at worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly; so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who know neither victory or defeat."
THEODORE ROOSEVELT