Roy Jones Jr fight...very interesting!

[CD Lee]

Did you guys happen to see the Jones fight this weekend? Well it was an awesome display of talent by Roy, and his incredible reflexes and speed. I noticed some things Roy did that similarities to Kung Fu and wanted to see what anyone thought about it.

1. Roy kept his hands up almost in a san ti type position, although he leans over when he does it. Notice his hands which are already very fast, are that much closer when he suddenly throws it.

2. He was constantly at the proper distance from his opponent, so the opponent must take one step to get into striking range. Roy could see everything coming.

3. He is set so he can move his entire body as soon as he needs to move it.

4. Most incredible thing: He always contacted his punch slightly up or rising to uproot his opponent, or slightly down. He almost never landed a completely level punch. I noticed several times his opponent's entire body was thown up and across after taking a non-devestating yet rising blow. In other words, on a level type punch, the punch would rise as it contacted the opponent. Excellent application of technique.

I thought this was very applicible to the internals, as he was able to always do something with his punches to affect his opponents balance and center.

[Justa Man]

roy is the man, plain and simple. easy #1 pound for pound.

[blacktaoist]

Roy is good , But I have most of all his fights on tape, and in my opinion his fights are to easy. I'm a big boxing fan and have over 100 tapes on boxing. Roy is good but not all that". So far all Roy Jones has been fighting is low level boxers. Just look at the fight he just won or even past fights of opponents, Most of them was not that skilled of boxers.

There are a handful of intriguing potential skilled boxers that In my opinion can give Roy a fight he never forget. But like all ways roy bypassing them to face a gazillion- to- one mandatory longshot-in this instance-IBF number-one Glen Kelly of Australia.

Anyboby can look good if they are more skill then their opponent, what a mismatch the jones kelly fight was". The guy just like other boxers Roy fights was not that skilled of a boxers. Easy fight.

I can wait to see roy fight Hopkins. Hopkins this time is going to show every body what time it is with roy jones. Roy beat Bernard Hopkins the first time, But hopkins gave roy a hell of a fight and take him all the way. Roy is not interested in fighting hopkins because he know what time it is. Thats why he's trying to use the money game.

I feel this time around Hopkins is is best -prepared for roy and he is going to hurt Roy will bad. I call Hopkins the little man of Hsing YI boxing. I love the man mindset, and he just take it to his opponents. He is no joke. He is a true Executioner".

The bottom line is Roy is a good fighter, but its time he show the boxing fans what he can do with will skilled boxers. Because Roy, Oscar, Shane, Tito all have to get in line, Now Hopkins calls the shots".

After all Hopkins is now the undisputed middleweight chanpion of the world! Not Roy Jones. There is no way roy should get pay more money then Bernard Hopkins".

But like always Roy love to talk about his easy past fights to make his points. What a joke.

[Mr. Nemo]

"The guy just like other boxers Roy fights was not that skilled of a boxers."

Roy's opponents are not all bums. Remember that this last fight was a mandatory defense, and in almost all cases in light heavyweight he has been fighting #1 contenders. In addition, many of RJJ's opponents were quality boxers.

When he was a middleweight, he beat Jorge Castro, Bernard Hopkins (for the title), Sugar Boy Malinga, and Thomas Tate (#1 contender).

At Super Middlweight, James Toney, Antoine Byrd (#1 contender), and Bryant Brannon (#1 contender).

At light heavyweight, he's beaten everyone except Michaljewski (or however the heII you spell it). DM refuses to leave Germany.

The claims that Roy has fought no good competition is just not true. Montell Griffin, Eric Harding, James Toney, Virgil Hill, and Reggie Johnson are all good opponents; the difference is that RJJ is so good he makes them look like second-rate fighters.

Roy's insistence on that this "60-40" stuff confuses me, as I believe Hopkins is about as much of a PPV draw as RJJ now, but consider that Hopkins is fighting someone higher than him on the PFP list, and in a higher weight class, who has been a star longer than him.

[CD Lee]

Hey, I thought the kung fu application of his strikes were really awesome, did anybody see that??? Forget the politics for a minute, and go review the shots. A lot of application to what we are doing I think.

Anyway, I am a diehard boxing fan and here are my thoughts on Roy.

No he does not fight good enough opponents to showcase his skills, however, he cannot do that as there are almost none that can match his unbelievable skill level.

I thought Virgil Hill would finally give him trouble, but no, bam, he made Virgil Hill look like a bum. I was pretty dissapointed but hey, he is good.

He fought Hopkins when Hopkins was awesome, fast, smart, and a world champion. Roy beat him with one hand. He made Toney look slow and we know Toney is fast.

As far as the money, Hopkins is a nut-case if he thinks he can demand Roy Jones' star attraction. Look only at the financials. Hopkins can fight Roy, make 10+ million dollars, and prove he is the baddest on the planet with one fight. But no, as Hopkins says, he won't do it because it is not fair. Who gives a crap what is fair??? Hopkins said yesterday he would just go ahead and fight bums for 2 million a fight from now on. See the logic? Hopkins wants that money, he does not believe he can win against Roy, and when he loses, his *star attraction* is lost and no more big money fights. He MUST demand the most amount possible IF he fights Roy, or he can just keep fighting for less money, but good money none-the-less.

As far as skills, I will say Hopkins is very very skilled and has more heart. But in all honesty, Roy is far far superior in speed, sharpness, and footwork. I just do not see how Bernard could win without a lucky punch. Roy will not let him come in and pound at will. It just will not happen. At a high level in boxing, almost always, the more skilled boxer wins. As far as Hamed getting is dues from Barrera, he is extreemly awkward and gets hammered by shots in every fight anyways.

[Justa Man]

After all Hopkins is now the undisputed middleweight chanpion of the world! Not Roy Jones. There is no way roy should get pay more money then Bernard Hopkins".
c'mon. roy already had that belt, moved on and took the next belt and moved on again and took that belt. how can you even say for a second that roy doesn't deserve more cashpay?!

the toughest fight roy had was vs griffin. griffin had him off step and was landing some shots and roy couldn't really do any work on griffin. eddie futch was training griffin. he's hands-down the best trainer ever. he trained frazier to beat ali. nuff said. roy came back in that second fight and had griffin dazed and confused in 2 rounds! futch or no futch, it didn't matter. roy put the hurt on him because people thought that griffin actually could beat roy. i see it like this; as soon as roy's skill was truly tested, he brought his top game and crushed griffin.
thing with roy is, no one really tests his game to the point where he has to really put it on someone. he fights at 60% of his capacity. griffin came close and look what happened to him in the rematch.
hopkins is no match for roy's skills, if roy brings out his full arsenal. there's just no way.:)

[BAI HE]

"As far as skills, I will say Hopkins is very very skilled and has more heart. But in all honesty, Roy is far far superior in speed, sharpness, and footwork. I just do not see how Bernard could win without a lucky punch. Roy will not let him come in and pound at will. It just will not happen. At a high level in boxing, almost always, the more skilled boxer wins. As far as Hamed getting is dues from Barrera, he is extreemly awkward and gets hammered by shots in every fight anyways."

(1) It's time for Roy to prove it. Roy needs to fight the
only names out there. Hopkins and the German Kid Darius.
Roy will also be long gone by the time Jeff Lacy is ready for him and that's a shame. Roy needs to get his PPV numbers up. People are bored stiff of watching him electrocute bums. Hopkins had the plan for Tito, maybe he's got one for Roy.

(2) It's not what Barrera did to Nas offensively it was Defensively.

[BAI HE]

"hopkins is no match for roy's skills, if roy brings out his full arsenal. there's just no way."

Heard that same thing about Moseley Vs. Forrest and the New England Patriots.

[BAI HE]

"I thought Virgil Hill would finally give him trouble, but no, bam, he made Virgil Hill look like a bum."

That body shot sounded like a fockeen gunshot.

[Justa Man]

Heard that same thing about Moseley Vs. Forrest and the New England Patriots.

But Mosley doesn't dominate like Roy does. Shane isn't head and shoulder above the comp like Roy is. And I personally liked the Pats chances. :D You are still on that 'underdog' tip and that would be applicable anywhere except for opponents of Roy Jones.

[CD Lee]

Roy has proven he is better over and over. What everybody wants Roy to prove is that he has real heart, and can dig a fight out that he is losing after getting pounded to the head for a few rounds or cut and hurt. To be fair that is what we are all waiting on me included. But nobody has been able to do it yet except Griffin albiet breifly. It was awesome watching Griffin go to work, but it ended as you know prematurely.

Also, what is the big deal with Hopkins deserving this fight in such a big way??? What about Tito or Forest or any other superstar out there. What is the big friggin deal with Hopkins??? I think Bernard has the best chance frankly, but suddently they whole of boxing owes Hopkins a 50/50 purse, when everybody on earch knows Roy Jones is the main attraction. Ask yourselves this question:

Are you wanting to see how good Hopkins is or if Roy could actually lose from getting outboxed? If Hopkins was the big draw, then his last fight would have drawn the big money, but they don't and won't without a superstar.

Like I said and I stand by it, Bernard must demand a large purse, because if he loses the fight big, then he loses marketability for a while while Forest, Mosley, Tito, and DeLaHoya come in and clean up the money. And if he does not get a large purse, he will not fight, because it could cost him big-time future revenue.

If he really, really believes he will win, take the 60/40 purse, put 50% on himself at long odss and make a friggin FORTUNE! But we all know these guys talk a lot more than they are willing to lay down cash over.

[BAI HE]

Yer right. Moseley fighters good fighters.

Roy has been talkin' the talk for awhile now...

I think he's intimidated by Bernard. He says he ain't, but he needs to just bring it not sing it.

"I can wait to see roy fight Hopkins. Hopkins this time is going to show every body what time it is with roy jones. Roy beat Bernard Hopkins the first time, But hopkins gave roy a hell of a fight and take him all the way. Roy is not interested in fighting hopkins because he know what time it is. Thats why he's trying to use the money game."

Amen.

If Roy is the best he'll prove it against Bernard. Bernard has been
chasing Roy for a re-match for a long time, not the other way around. Roy needs to look down his shorts and see if he still got a pair.



BTW Hagler in his prime would have destroyed both of these guys.

See you guys tommorrow.

[Shin]

Personally, I'm a big roy fan. Sure, he doesn't always fight the best opponents, but he's self managed. He's practically an industry outsider. He was right to turn down a 50/50 split on hopkins. He's a smart man, he knows when someone's trying to shaft him. He fights for himself, he understands it's a business. If something is good for his fans and bad for him, guess what. Oh well.

[Mr. Nemo]

The difference between Mosley and Jones is that Mosley fought a normal contender and lost (Forrest), Jones has been fighting legit title contenders ever since he unified the LHW titles and has made them look ridiculous.

Yes, RJJ frusturates me with his unwillingness to fight, but what does Hopkins have that makes him so dangerous to Roy? RJJ is naturally bigger, faster, has an awkward style, has already beaten Hopkins once (with one hand), and is higher on everyone's PFP list.

As for Darius, the guy has no reasonable excuse not to go to america and fight roy. No other champ would have to put up with the crap Darius is pulling.

[BAI HE]

dON'T GET ME WRONG. jONES IS THE MOST TALENTED FIGHTER IN THE WORLD. But it don't matter if you're the 2nd coming of Ali, Ali fought the great fights, he fought through a division filled with IRON and spent his prime years in the government imposed layoff.

Jones will be great when he stops resting on his laurels and fights the great fights that are on his plate.

All these guys you talk about would get crushed by Hopkins.Montell Griffin?hahahaahhahahah. Sorry he's not Mike McCCallum folks.
Both Toney and Hopkins took The Pensacola kid lightly the first time around...now they're hungry for seconds.
Toney put Roy on the map and Roy cant give him a bit?
Please, that is so weak.
RJJ doesn't want the hard fights anymore. Katz, Hauser, Borges and the rest of the boxing press has been allover him for ducking the hard fights.

RJJ is hardly a draw on PPV. No one wants to see bums get put out like cigarettes anymore. Happily when the cable deal runs out he may have to fight. HOOORAYYYY!!!!

Hell, he won't even trash that German kid ho is tailor made for him.
Roy wants easy money and he knows Bernard won't give him that. ROY HAS BEEN DUCKING BERNARD FOR YEARS. Do a Google search morons.

Moseley has persued and fought a few of the best fighters of his time.

Has Roy? Will Roy? Why id he run to the Super middleeight division anyhow? It doesn't pay and no one can fight, that's why.

Roy got no heart. Just ask the boxing experts.
He could be Ali but even Ali got punched for money. Welcome to Fight Club.

[BAI HE]

LW Legit?
Please, it's a sheet division. Jones's speed alone could win that division half asleep and does. Poor showtime. What did they sign Roy to???????????????????

Do you doubt that Bernard could demolish half the chumps in that division? Look at their records. Sheet.

I don't. There is one young Super to watch, his name is Jeff Lacy.

[Mr. Nemo]

Bai He: I never said the fighters I mentioned were better than Hopkins, just that they were good. Please don't put words in my mouth.

I don't understand your argument, anyway. You're saying that RJJ is the "most talented fighter in the world", yet Hopkins would beat him? I don't understand.

As for Roy ducking hopkins, that may have some truth to it, Roy doesn't like hard fights. On that issue I agree with you.

The issue that I DISAGREED with with blacktaoist was that he hasn't fought anyone good. He has.

In addition, in my opinion he would beat Hopkins if they fought.

[blacktaoist]

Go on Mr.Nemo,
All hardcore boxing fans Know roy is very content to live off of his accomplishments that took place so long ago that they no longer matter

Thats all Roy Jones talk about since he unified the crown in '99. People don't want to hear his bull$hit any more, people want to see him fight, hard fights". Sorry if I said the boxers was not skill Mr. nemo. What I should have said was Roy loves to fight normal boxers he know he can beat. Like I said Roy fights are all ways mismatch. Easy fights thats why he looks so good.

But I have to thank Roy. He made me alot of money,I always bet on Roy when he fights, because I know its easy money........LOL

I wish I can go back in time and bring back some Boxers that I know would have kick Roy ass: Boxers like Ray Mancini or Edwin Rosario theses guys would had did a number on Roy.

Bottom line is Roy need to fight skilled fighters that are known and take the fight to him hard, fighters like Floyed May weather, Ricardo Lopez , Oscar De La Hoya, Fexlix Trinidad and Fernando Vargas theses guys have been out there for a long time for big Bad Roy, But Roy loves the easy way of making money.

[BAI HE]

RJJ is great but
I'll take the guy with less talent
that works harder any day of the week.
Bernard trains hardcore just like Hagler did.

Sorry if I sound a little harsh, but Bernard's been denied the
spotlight for too long. He's always been an outsider in the
boxing world. He's too opinionated and honest for his own good.

Peace, Pete.

[BAI HE]

Nice to hear Rosario's name.
Remember the can he opened on Livingstone
"Pitbull" Bramble way back?
****.

[SanShou Guru]

Here is an artical form someone who knows more about the sport of Boxing than any of us on this page:

Max: Dominant Jones is one of greatest ever

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By Max Kellerman
Special to ESPN.com


Fifty years from now, there will be another who is compared to him. The type of phenom who dominates so thoroughly and with such ease that a future generation of boxing fans will proclaim him a candidate for Most Talented Fighter Ever. And we who are still around will throw cold water on that proclamation by saying, "Son, I once saw Roy Jones Jr. knock a man out with his hands behind his back." Thank God for video tape.

Bernard Hopkins set the all-time record for middleweight title defenses by thoroughly dominating and eventually stopping the very solid Carl Daniels. Hopkins broke Carlos Monzon's record of 14 defenses, a record he had tied in his last fight, a knockout of Felix Trinidad. In his last three fights, against Keith Holmes, Trinidad and Daniels, Hopkins has arguably not lost a round (by my count he's lost only three or four out of 33). Holmes is good fighter, so is Daniels, and Trinidad is a great one. Very impressive stuff from our middleweight champ. In fact, the three most dominant middleweight champions of the last 35 years have been Carlos Monzon (champ 1970-1977), Marvin Hagler (champ 1979-1987) and Bernard Hopkins (champ 1994-2002 and counting). Lucky for Monzon and Hagler that they did not have to compete against Roy Jones Jr.

Anyone who competes against Roy loses. He has unfair natural, physical advantages in speed and power. And he combines his advantages with his own brand of unorthodox skill. Emanuel Steward pointed out during Roy's demolition of Glen Kelly (the recipient of RJ's the-hands-behind-the-back-are-quicker-than-the-eye trick) that Thomas Hearns' style would have created problems for Roy, and Steward is probably right. There are always fighters one can chose throughout history that had the right style to give another fighter trouble. So Hearns would have given Roy trouble. Maybe. Roy would have smoked Sugar Ray Leonard. He would have easily out-slicked Marvin Hagler. The question is whether gigantic light heavyweights like Bob Foster and Michael Spinks could have beaten Roy Jones. The real question is whether they could have even hit him.

Bernard Hopkins is like a Don Mattingly or an Emmitt Smith. Mattingly and Smith were the best their sports had to offer in a given era. In their primes they were both great. But neither made us imagine that we might be watching the greatest who ever did it. Bernard Hopkins fits right in with the greatest middleweights from any era. Roy Jones Jr. makes us wonder if we are watching the greatest fighter of all-time. Roy draws comparisons not only with Sugar Ray Robinson, but with Babe Ruth and Michael Jordan.

Does Roy Jones deserve this kind of electronic press after playing with an overmatched, some would argue "club" fighter like Glen Kelly (even if Kelly is really a cruiserweight in light heavyweight's clothing)? Does Roy's stunt against Kelly deserve to lead this article over Hopkins domination against Daniels? No and no. But I cannot help it.

I thought when Roy dropped Kelly with a left hand to the body, that the most spectacular thing he would do that night had just occurred. But in the seventh round, Roy retreated to the ropes, put both hands behind his back and leaned forward. Kelly threw two punches. Roy slipped them both and then tossed a lightning quick, half-hearted right hand -- almost an afterthought -- as he was moving away to his right. The punch landed high on Kelly's head and ended the fight. One of the most spectacular things I have ever seen in a boxing ring.

So what you say? It's only Glen Kelly, not a top guy in the division. Fine. Do not put the clip of Roy knocking out Kelly alongside the clips of the right hand that floored Reggie Johnson, the left hand that knocked out Montell Griffin, and the right to the body that knocked out Virgil Hill, three of the top 10 guys at light heavyweight over the last 10 years. Y'all must've forgot.

I have debated a lot of boxing with Russell Peltz, the famous promoter out of Philadelphia. Russell is the guy who put together those great fights at the Blue Horizon for USA Network's old Tuesday Night Fights. He has since served as ESPN2's matchmaker for our Friday Night Fights series. One time we were debating the current state of the game and he told me that the super middleweight division is underrated, and then in the next breath that Roy Jones Jr. is overrated. The super middleweight division, he told me, had fighters like Sven Ottke, (who Russell and I agreed is a very good fighter and is probably the class of the 168-pound division), and Thomas Tate, a world-class fighter who lost a controversial fight to Ottke in Germany for Ottke's super middleweight belt. Roy defended his middleweight title against Tate in 1994, and it was mismatch. Roy blew him out in two rounds. How can Roy be overrated when one of the top dogs in an underrated division couldn't survive the second round against him?

I do not think that Bernard Hopkins can beat Roy Jones. However, out of every fighter in the world south of heavyweight, Hopkins has the best chance to do it. I thought the same thing about Shane Mosley and Vernon Forrest, that Shane would win, but if anyone could beat Shane it was Vernon. Vernon beat Shane. Roy wants a 60/40 split for a fight with Bernard. Bernard wants to split up the money 50/50. Why don't we call it 55/45 and get this thing on.

[BAI HE]

I agree with some of that.

[CD Lee]

Dude! We did it. We took it to the MAX! Not bad for a Kung Fu forum.

[blacktaoist]

I also agree, I'm not taking anything away from Roy. The man has skills. My point is I like to see him fight a boxer on his skill level.

On a Side note, You guys know Roy must have invented his on style of chicken Boxing. Maybe thats why its so hard for other boxers to hit his ass". You can tell Roy is utilizing more then just boxing.

The best thing I like about roy is how he attacks the body.

[SanShou Guru]

The point of the artical is that there is NOBODY at his level, in any division, so I guess you will never see him fight someone at his level until time travel is invented.

[BAI HE]

"You guys know Roy must have invented his on style of chicken Boxing."

He did, he raises fighting ****s all his life and he spars with them
There was an article in Details about it.

Interesting stuff from Kellerman, but he's also no stranger to ripping Roy for the stuff we've discussed already.

RJJ beat Bernard, but don't dis Bernard by not giving
him a shot or saying he's just shooting his mouth off.

He wants Jones. Someday it will happen. I also think
Jones thought Tito was going to do his dirty work for him.

[blacktaoist]

The point of the artical is that there is NOBODY at his level, in any division, so I guess you will never see him fight someone at his level until time travel is invented.

BT) man thats just one man opinion of his view, that mains nothing, **** if you read the ring magazine in the special section, whats's ahead for 2002 by Johnnie Whitehead. He tells you the truth, Roy is running. Aboutbody knows there is nobody in lightweight, Roy can beat them guys with one eye. Come on man are you a Boxing fan or what".

He had a Hard time with Hopkins the first time. Yes Roy won the Fight. But he didn't win easy as he claims.

Bernard Hopkins Triumph over Felix Trinidad was an absolute Masterpiece, and in my opinion people were sleeping on his skill level then and still are. But I know Hopkins is going to surprise alot of people this time around by beating Roy.

And for all you Roy Jone fans on kungfuonline, When Hopkins Beat Big Bad Roy,. All I;m going to to tell you guys is I told you So.
Because this time Hopkins is ready for Roy chicken boxing. The man has Roy Number, its only a matter of time".

Peace

[BAI HE]

"The point of the artical is that there is NOBODY at his level, in any division, so I guess you will never see him fight someone at his level until time travel is invented."

Bernard may not be at his level but Roy made his name off Bernard and James Toney. He ought to tip the hat and give them a shot as well.
Bernard want's Roy for pride. He's risking an awful lot at his age.
I get the feeling that it's not about the money, it's about respect.
Bernard want's to know in his heart if Roy is better.

So go ahead and hand RJJ the rematch victory if you like. That's just mouth-boxing.
I'm saying until I see him take Bernard apart I ain't buying.

[BAI HE]

Didn't you guys see Rocky III?

"What's a matter with you Balboa?! There is no tomorrow!"
- Apollo Creed

[SanShou Guru]

Of course a great way to hype a big fight when you have the reputation of destroying everybody you can fight is to appear that you are dodging somebody. I hope it is a good fight but I really doubt it will be as close as you guys think.

my $0.02

Hey BT you should bring your team to Ross's event in March unless you still have a phobia about wearing closed gloves.

[BAI HE]

Did you see Bob Kraft at the Pat's rally?
Was that a dance he was doing?

I for one thought

(a) He turned into an alchoholic Robot

(b) He was having a stroke

(c) He was playing the air Maracas

What's your take?