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straight blast
02-05-2002, 02:10 AM
What would you do to counter an uppercut? Assuming that the person who threw it was a good boxer & threw it at the right range, which is right up close. Bearing in mind that an upper would be thrown inside the "ultimate angle". I know that a lot of people say just don't let it happen at all, but this is the real world and there is always the chance that someone somehow is going to get into a position where an upper is viable.
In Muay Thai I never really found a satisfactory defence against a well placed uppercut. I'm going to ask my Sifu on Thursday what he does, as he tends to cross train with Muay Thai. It would be interesting to see how the different lineages of WC, VT, WT, etc would deal with it.
Dave Farmer
02-05-2002, 03:39 AM
Keeping the center closed and maintaining good position to limit the opening.
Holding the elbows in position will also keep the uppercut from driving in as I've found that 7 out of 10 will hit the elbows anyway.
Alternatively, Jum sau/gum sau seem to work in directly cutting of the punch, Gaun(gang) sau in deflecting.
Still all depends on how good an uppercut it is.
Regards
Dave F.
i find a gahn sau (not sure about the spelling) works very well against an uppercut. Or an elbow to the face if he's in close enough.
rubthebuddha
02-05-2002, 01:16 PM
gan sau is preferable as it works with either arm, but you must make sure you're square to your attacker.
other than that, if you can punch with the same-side arm (they're cutting with their right, you punch with their left) and wind up on the outside, you can wedge that uppercut right off and still whack 'em nicely.
S.Teebas
02-05-2002, 01:49 PM
A jut sau can work.
This is in the section of the SLT at the end just before the punches. Sheer the muscle on his forearm (while dumping your body weight at high speed for power)
Tongue_of_Colibob
02-05-2002, 03:46 PM
The way I deal with uppercuts in class is
pivot Gum Sau, lin wan kuen
yuanfen
02-05-2002, 05:48 PM
Lots of "techniques" can work. The key is developing wing chun timing. There is no substitute for good chi sao rather than depending on a specific technique.
S.Teebas
02-05-2002, 06:48 PM
yuanfen...
what do you see the difference between what you do and "techniques"?
whippinghand
02-05-2002, 09:36 PM
It doesn't matter what your hands do, but what your body does. In other words, your structure. The initial question is very two-dimensional. Wing Chun is not that.
"If you want to know how Wing Chun works, don't ask a cross trainer."
-Whipping Hand
sanchezero
02-05-2002, 10:13 PM
"If you want to know how Wing Chun works, don't ask a cross trainer."
-Whipping Hand
LOL Good one.
I have a theory about all those 'off-line' techniques like the haymaker and uppercut and all spinning techniques -
We train chi sao in part to teach us to clear the way so we can hit, but also to hit when the way is clear. Frequently, you will find that there is no technique more appropriate than the punch. When nothing is in the way you should just be clobberin.
:D
yuanfen
02-05-2002, 10:16 PM
yuanfen...
what do you see the difference between what you do and "techniques"?
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The answers such as gum sao against an uppercut is listing techniques.What else is happening? What is the distance, the angle, the line, the size and the structure of the person? Chi sao automatically teaches you those quick calculations so you move reflexively and control the line of the attack as soon as the motion begins.My analysis and teaching involves structure and motion-therefore timing. The right trechnique will automatically and reflexively follow from that. If you dont step in and turn appropriately against an uppercut- a gumm sao will be awkward in catching a straight up uppercut. If you develop a sense of the line- then reflexively lots of things can emerge--- a gum sometimes, a pak some other time, a biu, a jong, a kao, lop or punching over the uppercut depending again on the feel of what is developing as an uppercut..before its loaded with power.
Roy D. Anthony
02-05-2002, 11:25 PM
Try Sinking Bridge...Chaam KiuSao. Works wonders against an uppercut. *S*
If you don't know what I'm referring to, let me know I will explain.
Im not sure what you mean.
Highlander
02-06-2002, 08:55 AM
Roy ...... I'm with Ish on this one. Could you please explain?
wingchunalex
02-06-2002, 01:03 PM
fook sau, seems like the best thing to keep it down. jut sau might be too dangerous
Roy D. Anthony
02-06-2002, 01:30 PM
Ish & Highlander
there are many versions of Sinking elbows in all the forms. such as jam Sao, in SLT. but the one that I find works the best against an uppercut, is found in some versions of Chum Kiu and not in others. the one I refer to, is in the first section of the Chum Kiu Set in the section of lan sao's that are followed by the bong sao. Some lineages teach that after the lan sao, there is chum kiu sao, the arm drops as a reverse lan sao down to your hip, before doing the bong sao. This is the Chaam Kiu Sao. your bridge drops on your opponents forearm or even elbow preventing your opponents arm from moving forward and hitting you.
Enjoy!:)
Highlander
02-06-2002, 02:17 PM
Thanks Roy ....... Unfortunately my lineage is one that doesn't teach that and I am having a hard time understanding what a reverse lan sao would look like. Could you describe it in a little detail or is there somewhere that I could see one. An uppercut seems to be an achillis heal at my school.
Roy D. Anthony
02-06-2002, 08:41 PM
KK Highlander,
you know the lan sao goes outward and upwards right? example the left lan sao, the elbow ends and is aligned with the left shoulder. now the Chaam Kiu sao is to drop your whole fore arm down keeping it parallel to the ground, until it lies across your waistline. The forearm rotates towards a seemingly Tan Sao, meaning the palm is facing up. Similar to Ip Man's Siu lim tao form, when he does the Bong to Tan transition. That's a Chaam Kiu Sao. Hope this helps.
Highlander
02-07-2002, 09:09 AM
Thanks Roy ..... It helps alot. Now I can picture exactly what you are talking about. I have class on Saturday and I'll give it a try. :) :) :) :) :)
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