choy lay fut & chinese revolution

[RAIN]

the form called ping kuen take his name from the second word of a revolutionary saying . can anyone write the complete saying in chinese with his translation to english ?
there is more revolutionary codes in choy lay fut than ca be explained in a post ?

[once ronin]

the ping is for tin ha tai ping.

100% correct, a good portion of choy li fut forms has codes in them from the salutes to the foot work.

[CLFNole]

The saying in Chinese is as follows:

Tai Ping Tien Kwok Chang Ahn Wan Nien

This translates to:

"The Taiping Heavenly Kingdom will keep the peace for ten thousand years"

Supposedly there was a form for each word.

Tai Gee Kuen
Ping Kuen
Tien Gee Kuen
Kwok Gee Kuen
Chang Kuen
Ahn Gee Kuen
Wan Gee Kuen
Nien Gee Kuen

Peace.

[premier]

What does the "Gee" stand for?

[Fu-Pow]

Could be "Ji" = Character

For example Sup Ji Kow Da Kuen or Ten Character Hook Strike Hand Fist.

[CLFNole]

I actually wrote it wrong it is probably written "tze" or "tse" not gee. The sound is kind of hard to spell. I think it actually translates to "word". Sometimes words have a different meaning regarding kung fu forms since some words were used as code words.

Maybe extrajoseph can help us out with this.

Peace.

[extrajoseph]

My Cantonese dictionary spelled it “ji”. It means in the form of a written or printed character. Since the 10 forms are suppose to represent the catch cry of “Tai Ping Tien Kwok Chang Ahn Wan Nien”, each form or set represents one character.

These 10 forms are a myth. The coded language in the CLF forms is much more subtle than just in the names. If people in the past made it so obvious, they will be liable to easy prosecution.

In reality, the names of the CLF forms have a simpler explanation; they are often given as an indication of the pattern of movements involved. For example, the character Sup (for 10 and written as + in Chinese) in Siu Sup Ji Kuen and Da Sup Ji Kow Da Kuen indicated the forms are likely to cover the four cardinal directions of north, south, east and west. The character Kung (written with 2 horizontal strokes joined by a vertical stroke in the middle) in Kung Ji Fuk Fu Kuen indicated the form are likely to cover the left and the right as well as the up and down directions, and the Bak Gwa (Eight Trigrams) forms means the 8 directions (the four cardinals and the four diagonals) will be covered and so forth.

BTW, the word Ping in Ping Kuen and Ping Jiarn does not stand for Tai Ping Tien Kwok as some pleople claimed. The word Ping can be translated as level or horizontal and it stands for moving horizontally from left to right and in a level fashion from front to back. If Ping was to represent Tai Ping than the translation should be Peaceful Fist and not Level Fist.

Most of the beginners forms have a simple movement pattern based on the cross, as the forms get more advanced the movement pattern also gets more complicated and we have to abandan the idea of using a simple word or character to make the representation.

[CannonFist]

But the ping which means level and the ping of tai ping is the character right? As peacefule in CHinese, tai ping actually consist of two words, tai = extreme,very and ping = level, stable. So the Chinese think of peaceful as meaning extreme stability.

[extrajoseph]

Yes, ping in ping kuen and tai ping tien gwok (kingdom) is the same character that can be interpreted in two different ways. However, tai ping kuen and dai ping kuen are not the same, tai and dai give the ping a different meaning and connotation.